youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 9:37 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 9:14 am
This is NOT "Christianity".
Full stop.
This is extreme patriarchy. Cult-like.
Religion is just the mask.
Roll your eyes all you want but
this level of extremism, claiming 'Christian values', is a very, very small portion of "Christianity". Most Christians today disagree with such extremism.
Note, you can find quite similar extremist 'values' in other religions' 'claims', all about control of women by men.
It's all about power.
And as far as I'm concerned, this is about man's will, not what I understand to be God's will.
Pushing this further, I see "Satan" in such extremism, certainly not Jesus.
You and I likely agree a lot about how mothers AND fathers should teach and advise our children with regard to sexual matters, as we would likely both emphasize that sex is important and far more valuable as an expression of love than merely for pleasure. Moreover, we would want our children, girls and boys, to well understand the various risks of sex, physical and emotional, and
I would hope that we would both emphasize the importance of independent decision making and respect for others, putting the interests of others above one's own immediate desires.
However, I certainly would not include abstinence before marriage as a protection against sin and shame as I don't consider sex to be sinful or shameful.
Rather I think sexual pleasure is God-given and natural and that pleasure with another, with both exercising full independent consent, can be particularly fulfilling as part of one's maturation, including prior to marriage. Of course, I also see marriage as a super important lifelong commitment, not to be entered lightly and certainly not to be entered without full adult consent, and super importantly, it must be based in love and respect.
This purity cult extremism emphasizes father's and husband's control over their daughters' decision-making, and that's an anthema to me. Fathers should have no greater role than mothers in these matters, indeed, if anything, mothers should have more influence given the greater repercussions women face physically and socially in the decisions they make, given the way our society is still ordered. they have much to offer in perspective, one would hope. That's not meaning an abdication of fathers' influence, simply that fathers should definitely have no greater voice in such counsel to their daughters and sons. Ultimately, neither parent should exercise control of their children's decisions through shame or force.
I certainly have no argument with maturing young people, boys and girls, deciding for themselves that they wish to save sexual acts with another for those they feel they are committed to, including aiming to do so through marriage. But I would never demand such.
Like DMAC, I think that this purity garbage with fathers to husbands is setting up abuse of daughters and wives.