January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:29 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:18 am The US Army Golden Knights caused abject panic and forced the evacuation of the US Capital. They were making a PR stunt jump for a baseball game. Some dumb effing morons thought the 82nd airborne were attacking the capital and went into full fledged panic mode. These are the dumbasses that are leading our nation.. :roll:
FAA forgot to notify the Capitol Police of the flyover. LMAO

Can't fault them for evacuating when they don't know why a plane is flying over normally restricted airspace. Stupid, but it took just a few minutes to figure it out and give the all clear.



Maybe we could hire some folks at the Capitol PD with common sense? The plane was a de Havilland Twin Otter, just about the slowest plane in the sky.

Furthermore, let’s move DC to Texas so we can get a different kind of bureaucrat, not these frightened mask Nazis. Thx.
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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:29 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:18 am The US Army Golden Knights caused abject panic and forced the evacuation of the US Capital. They were making a PR stunt jump for a baseball game. Some dumb effing morons thought the 82nd airborne were attacking the capital and went into full fledged panic mode. These are the dumbasses that are leading our nation.. :roll:
FAA forgot to notify the Capitol Police of the flyover. LMAO

Can't fault them for evacuating when they don't know why a plane is flying over normally restricted airspace. Stupid, but it took just a few minutes to figure it out and give the all clear.
The operative word in that sentence is " stupid" Stupid is what predominates in Washington DC. Speaking of stupid, wouldn't the capital police use common sense and understand a C130 flying slow circles over a baseball stadium was never an " uniditentified" aircraft" a very nice attempt on your part to spin this in positive light. I'm certain a quick phone before evacuating the capital would have involved something the capital police, at least the upper echelon are sorely lacking at present... Common sense..
Nancy Pelosi let the cat out of the bag. There are some folks in DC that are still so scared chitless over the events of 1/6/21 that a little kid flying a kite too close to the capital could cause a national emergency in the new paranoia that has taken hold in DC.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 12:22 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:29 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:18 am The US Army Golden Knights caused abject panic and forced the evacuation of the US Capital. They were making a PR stunt jump for a baseball game. Some dumb effing morons thought the 82nd airborne were attacking the capital and went into full fledged panic mode. These are the dumbasses that are leading our nation.. :roll:
FAA forgot to notify the Capitol Police of the flyover. LMAO

Can't fault them for evacuating when they don't know why a plane is flying over normally restricted airspace. Stupid, but it took just a few minutes to figure it out and give the all clear.
The operative word in that sentence is " stupid" Stupid is what predominates in Washington DC. Speaking of stupid, wouldn't the capital police use common sense and understand a C130 flying slow circles over a baseball stadium was never an " uniditentified" aircraft" a very nice attempt on your part to spin this in positive light. I'm certain a quick phone before evacuating the capital would have involved something the capital police, at least the upper echelon are sorely lacking at present... Common sense..
Cessna 150 doesn't seem like an unidentified aircraft until it crashes on the White House lawn. 767 doesn't seem like unidentified aircraft until it comes in low and hits a tower.

They were working on it during the evacuation and figured it out in like 15 minutes and were better safe than sorry. This is preparation in action. Nice to get some extra evac drilling in as well. The story is making a Mountain out of a molehill.
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:oops: lol
Peter Brown wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:59 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:29 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:18 am The US Army Golden Knights caused abject panic and forced the evacuation of the US Capital. They were making a PR stunt jump for a baseball game. Some dumb effing morons thought the 82nd airborne were attacking the capital and went into full fledged panic mode. These are the dumbasses that are leading our nation.. :roll:
FAA forgot to notify the Capitol Police of the flyover. LMAO

Can't fault them for evacuating when they don't know why a plane is flying over normally restricted airspace. Stupid, but it took just a few minutes to figure it out and give the all clear.



Maybe we could hire some fo
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 12:32 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 12:22 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:29 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:18 am The US Army Golden Knights caused abject panic and forced the evacuation of the US Capital. They were making a PR stunt jump for a baseball game. Some dumb effing morons thought the 82nd airborne were attacking the capital and went into full fledged panic mode. These are the dumbasses that are leading our nation.. :roll:
FAA forgot to notify the Capitol Police of the flyover. LMAO

Can't fault them for evacuating when they don't know why a plane is flying over normally restricted airspace. Stupid, but it took just a few minutes to figure it out and give the all clear.
The operative word in that sentence is " stupid" Stupid is what predominates in Washington DC. Speaking of stupid, wouldn't the capital police use common sense and understand a C130 flying slow circles over a baseball stadium was never an " uniditentified" aircraft" a very nice attempt on your part to spin this in positive light. I'm certain a quick phone before evacuating the capital would have involved something the capital police, at least the upper echelon are sorely lacking at present... Common sense..
Cessna 150 doesn't seem like an unidentified aircraft until it crashes on the White House lawn. 767 doesn't seem like unidentified aircraft until it comes in low and hits a tower.

They figured it out in like 15 minutes and were better safe than sorry. Nice to get some extra evac drilling in as well. The story is making a Mountain out of a molehill.
lks at the Capitol PD with common sense? The plane was a de Havilland Twin Otter, just about the slowest plane in the sky.

Furthermore, let’s move DC to Texas so we can get a different kind of bureaucrat, not these frightened mask Nazis. Thx.
My bad, I thought it was a C130. The type of plane is actually irrelevant. If it was not authorized to fly where it was it would have been blown out of the sky before the capital police ever laid eyes on it.
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They took off from Andrews. The tower had to clear them for takeoff. The WP said they were talking to Reagan National tower - I think they should have been getting clearance from Potomac Approach, but that just might be a reporting error based on the location of Potomac Approach. The jump plane was an Army Twin Otter used just for the Golden Knights. The flight crew should know the drill, they jump into the stadium at USNA all the time which is also within DC Special Use Airspace. This will be an epic Army vs Air Force vs FAA vs Capitol Police blame shifting contest.
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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 12:32 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 12:22 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:29 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:18 am The US Army Golden Knights caused abject panic and forced the evacuation of the US Capital. They were making a PR stunt jump for a baseball game. Some dumb effing morons thought the 82nd airborne were attacking the capital and went into full fledged panic mode. These are the dumbasses that are leading our nation.. :roll:
FAA forgot to notify the Capitol Police of the flyover. LMAO

Can't fault them for evacuating when they don't know why a plane is flying over normally restricted airspace. Stupid, but it took just a few minutes to figure it out and give the all clear.
The operative word in that sentence is " stupid" Stupid is what predominates in Washington DC. Speaking of stupid, wouldn't the capital police use common sense and understand a C130 flying slow circles over a baseball stadium was never an " uniditentified" aircraft" a very nice attempt on your part to spin this in positive light. I'm certain a quick phone before evacuating the capital would have involved something the capital police, at least the upper echelon are sorely lacking at present... Common sense..
Cessna 150 doesn't seem like an unidentified aircraft until it crashes on the White House lawn. 767 doesn't seem like unidentified aircraft until it comes in low and hits a tower.

They were working on it during the evacuation and figured it out in like 15 minutes and were better safe than sorry. This is preparation in action. Nice to get some extra evac drilling in as well. The story is making a Mountain out of a molehill.
I give you credit for maintaining this was SOP for the capital police. There is a state of the art top notch air defense system that protects DC. If that plane wasn't authorized to fly where it was it would have been vaporized. The air defense people knew what the plane was. The only clueless people were the folks in charge of security at the nations capital. Now the explanation... It was a great day for a practice emergency evacuation of the capital building... :roll:
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old salt wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 12:39 pm They took off from Andrews. The tower had to clear them for takeoff. The WP said they were talking to Reagan National tower - I think they should have been getting clearance from Potomac Approach, but that just might be a reporting error based on the location of Potomac Approach. The jump plane was an Army Twin Otter used just for the Golden Knights. The flight crew should know the drill, they jump into the stadium at USNA all the time which is also within DC Special Use Airspace. This will be an epic Army vs Air Force vs FAA vs Capitol Police blame shifting contest.
Also I believe referred to as. SNAFU...
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FAA apologizes for no advance warning before parachute jump, Capitol evacuation
The interagency communication breakdown in some of the nation’s most sensitive airspace raised questions over preparedness
https://www.washingtonpost.com/transpor ... vacuation/
The Federal Aviation Administration on Friday apologized for not providing advanced notification to the Capitol Police that an Army parachute team would fly over Nationals Park.

The flight Wednesday led the Capitol Police to order an evacuation of the Capitol and nearby buildings.

The communication breakdown regarding some of nation’s most sensitive airspace raised questions over the federal government’s preparedness more than 20 years after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. The FAA did not detail how its error occurred, an issue that remains the subject of a review.

“We deeply regret that we contributed to a precautionary evacuation of the Capitol complex and apologize for the disruption and fear experienced by those who work there,” the agency said in a statement late Friday. The FAA said it is “taking immediate steps to ensure that we always coordinate well in advance with other agencies to avoid confusion,” and values its partnership with the Capitol Police.

Former FAA administrator Michael Huerta said that in addition to an advanced notification, the FAA also sends a “real-time notification” to the National Capital Regional Coordination Center, based in Herndon, Va., when pilots begin such flights. The coordination center was set up to monitor restricted airspace in the Washington area and houses representatives from the Capitol Police, Secret Service, Department of Defense and other agencies.

The FAA did not address the issue of real-time notifications in its statement Friday. Huerta said representatives at the coordination center are tasked with communicating with colleagues at their respective agencies, and “that’s one potential area where the communication broke down.”

“Everyone there has a responsibility to take whatever action is necessary for their organization,” including the Capitol Police, Huerta said. “Everyone who is part of this process had the responsibility to notify their principals about what’s going on.”

The Army team took off at 6:09 p.m., according to flight-tracking website FlightAware, and the Capitol Police’s alert to evacuate was sent at 6:32 p.m.

The Capitol Police declined to comment Friday on when the agency became aware that the flight was legitimate, or to discuss the details or timing of its Wednesday actions.

“We are working with our federal law enforcement and aviation partners to piece together specifics in hopes of preventing a similar incident from happening again,” the Capitol Police said in statement Friday.

Police said in a statement a day earlier that “we were not given advanced notice of an approved flight.” The agency said that each week it “is made aware of hundreds of authorized flights in the restricted airspace. It is extremely unusual not to be made aware of a flight in advance.”

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) had issued a public scolding of the FAA after Wednesday’s evacuation. She said the agency’s “apparent failure to notify Capitol Police” was “inexcusable,” and said Congress wants to see a thorough review identifying “who at the Federal Aviation Administration will be held accountable for this outrageous and frightening mistake.”

The plane, carrying members of the Golden Knights parachute team, was circling in what the FAA calls the Flight-Restricted Zone, which stretches about 15 nautical miles around Reagan National Airport. After the 2001 terrorist attacks, pilots were required to obtain special advance permission to enter that airspace.

Military pilots routinely obtain permission to fly in that restricted airspace. In general, the military entity will provide the FAA with information about where it plans to fly and when, the type of airplane and the purpose of the flight, Huerta said. Once the permission is granted by the FAA, the plan is supposed to be shared widely via the regional coordination center.

Army says it notified FAA of flight that triggered Capitol evacuation

“These are not unusual events,” Huerta said. “We have a lot of sports teams in Washington, and oftentimes pregame ceremonies have flyovers and the participation of the military. This is something both the military and FAA handle routinely.”

The U.S. Army Recruiting Command said in a statement Thursday that the Army parachute team had filed all required documentation and received FAA approval before the flight. The pilots also “established and maintained communication with the FAA before and throughout the operation,” according to the statement.

Maj. Andrew Scott, a spokesman for the North American Aerospace Defense Command, which monitors the nation’s airspace, said officials there also saw nothing of concern in the Army team’s flight near the Capitol, since “that aircraft was allowed to be there.”

The same sense of comfort was not shared by Capitol Police or those who received the evacuation notice.

In her statement Wednesday, Pelosi decried the “unnecessary panic” the FAA’s “apparent negligence” caused evacuees still traumatized by the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. When asked about the FAA statement, a Pelosi spokesperson referred to her previous comments.

There are also risks for those in the air when confusion takes hold among federal agencies. The FAA warns on its website that failure to adhere to restrictions in the Washington region’s restricted airspace “may result in interception by military aircraft and/or the use of force. This applies to all aircraft,” including those from the Department of Defense, the FAA said.
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Pretty interesting testimony concerning the number of GOP Congressmen working directly with Meadows, Trump and the White House to overturn the vote in the 2020 election:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... 3.15.8.pdf

The deponent -- an assistant to Meadows -- confirms that in late November or early December Trump, Meadows, Giuliani and others were squarely told by the WH Counsel's office -- Cippolone -- that the plan to bring alternative electors to cast votes for Trump was illegal. That is, from that point on Meadows, Trump, Giuliani and others, including numerous members of Congress, understood that what they were doing was unlawful, well before January 6, well before the work was finished bringing the alternate slate of electors to Washington. This is, then, a knowing and intentional violation of the law by numerous GOP functionaries and the former President.

But sure, we should move on. But sure, you "supported his policies."
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:25 am Pretty interesting testimony concerning the number of GOP Congressmen working directly with Meadows, Trump and the White House to overturn the vote in the 2020 election:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... 3.15.8.pdf

The deponent -- an assistant to Meadows -- confirms that in late November or early December Trump, Meadows, Giuliani and others were squarely told by the WH Counsel's office -- Cippolone -- that the plan to bring alternative electors to cast votes for Trump was illegal. That is, from that point on Meadows, Trump, Giuliani and others, including numerous members of Congress, understood that what they were doing was unlawful, well before January 6, well before the work was finished bringing the alternate slate of electors to Washington. This is, then, a knowing and intentional violation of the law by numerous GOP functionaries and the former President.

But sure, we should move on. But sure, you "supported his policies."




So indict someone if the evidence is so conclusive. You have the DOJ, the White House, the Senate, and the House (the last two for not much longer, still).

Instead of always claiming these guys are ‘guilty’, who doesn’t someone slap on the cuffs?

Exactly.

And yup, we supported his policies.
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Yup, that's the answer to the tick tock of justice.
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Peter Brown wrote: Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:49 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:25 am Pretty interesting testimony concerning the number of GOP Congressmen working directly with Meadows, Trump and the White House to overturn the vote in the 2020 election:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... 3.15.8.pdf

The deponent -- an assistant to Meadows -- confirms that in late November or early December Trump, Meadows, Giuliani and others were squarely told by the WH Counsel's office -- Cippolone -- that the plan to bring alternative electors to cast votes for Trump was illegal. That is, from that point on Meadows, Trump, Giuliani and others, including numerous members of Congress, understood that what they were doing was unlawful, well before January 6, well before the work was finished bringing the alternate slate of electors to Washington. This is, then, a knowing and intentional violation of the law by numerous GOP functionaries and the former President.

But sure, we should move on. But sure, you "supported his policies."




So indict someone if the evidence is so conclusive. You have the DOJ, the White House, the Senate, and the House (the last two for not much longer, still).

Instead of always claiming these guys are ‘guilty’, who doesn’t someone slap on the cuffs?

Exactly.

And yup, we supported his policies.



MD misses the point. ‘Sedition’ isn’t some garden variety crime. That’s a ‘lock them up til we sort out the facts’ kind of crime, a war crime in ways. You barely need justice on these allegations; heck, the DOJ has locked up dozens of lunatics with zero bail for way less alleged crimes.

So do it already!

Instead you post here looking for applause, you buy the latest books from nevertrump hacks, and you always believe you’re just about to ‘nail him’. It’s sad.

As a Desantis supporter, I wish you’d act quicker tbh. What’s holding you back?!
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Stupidity is no excuse for your posts, Petey.

Anyone who isn't pretending to be dumb understands that sedition is and will be very difficult to prosecute and we very much have/should have a bias in this country against "lock her up" in politically charged matters or, indeed, any infractions for which prosecutors aren't yet confident they will achieve a conviction. Thank god we have this brake!

We can expect that whatever charges are brought they will be ones that the prosecutors are confident they will achieve convictions on...however, prosecutors are now looking at a jury base in which a large portion of our country has apparently lost its mind, is willing to nullify based on politics rather than facts. that has to be a daunting prospect for any prosecutor, indeed it appears to have happened recently in NY where the prosecutors on the job were confident in proving their case versus Trump on tax avoidance, bank fraud etc, but their new boss was not willing to take the chance of a loss due to its political consequences.

Before we hear some whatabouts, yes, OJ proves the problem of prosecuting the rich and powerful in a politically charged environment.

But here's my sense, the prosecutions are coming. But I could be wrong, as Merrick Garland may be more concerned with maintaining political support for the DOJ than in prosecuting these most difficult, politically charged cases. Greater good logic.
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Rep. Andy Biggs to Mark Meadows

I’m sure you have heard of this proposal. It is to encourage the state legislatures to appoint a look doors in the various states where there’s been shenanigans. If I understand right most of those states have Republican Legislature’s. It seems to be comport with glorified Bush as well as the Constitution. And, well highly controversial, it can’t be much more controversial than the lunacy that were sitting out there now. And It would be pretty difficult because he would take governors and legislators with collective will and backbone to do that. Is anybody on the team researching and considering lobbying for that?

Mark Meadows to Rep. Andy Biggs

I love it.
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Oops....

Jason Miller to Hope Hicks, Jared Kushner, Mark Meadows, Dan Scavino, Bill Stepien and Ivanka Trump

One other key data point: In 2016, POTUS received 15.5% of the vote in Philadelphia County. ‘Today he is currently at 18.3%. ‘So he increased from his performance in 2016. In 2016, Philadelphia County made up 11.3% of the total vote in the state. ‘As it currently stands, Philadelphia County only makes up 10.2% of the statewide vote tally. So POTUS performed better in a smaller share. Sen. Santorum was just making this point on CNN - cuts hard against the urban vote stealing narrative.
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Jason Miller to Mark Meadows

Emailed you Dominion backgrounder. Lots there re: functionality problems, not much there on Dem/Soros conspiracy connections. Will defer to you on whether or not to share full report with POTUS. POTUS is clearly hyped up on them, not just from his tweets, but he also called me and Justin separately last night to complain. JM
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December 20, 2020
Mike Lindell to Mark Meadows

Hey Mark, I felt I was suppose to text you this message… You being a man a faith and on the front line of the decisions that are going to be historical! I would ask that you pray for wisdom and discernment from God! You are one of the people the president trusts the most. That being said I want to add my input…. Everything Sidney has said is true! We have to get the machines and everything we already have proves the President won by millions of votes! I have read and not validated yet that you and others talked him out of seizing them… If true .. I pray it is part of a bigger plan… I am grateful that on the night of the election the algorithms of the corrupt machines broke and they realized our president would win in spite of the historical fraud! I look for deviations every day in my business … when I find one I investigate relentlessly until I know why it happened and how it happened… ( this is my gift from God that has made my business so successful) From 11:15 pm on the night of the election I have spent all my time running impossible deviations and numbers from this election… I also was blessed to be able to get info and help Sidney Lin General Flynn and everyone else out there gathering all the massive evidence! I have been sickened by politicians ( especially republicans ) judges, the media not wanting to see the truth ( no matter what the truth would be!) This is the biggest cover up of one of the worst crimes in history! I have spent over a million$ to help uncover this fraud and used my platform so people can get the word not to give up! The people on both sides have to see the truth and when they do …. there will not be no civil war , people ( including politicians!) are fearing! The only thing any of us should fear is fear of the Lord! Every person on this planet needs to know the truth and see the evidence!!! Mark .. God has his hand in all of this and has put you on the front line… I will continue praying for you to have great wisdom and discernment! Blessings Mike

Mark Meadows to Mike Lindell

Thanks brother. Pray for a miracle
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December 26, 2020
Rep. Scott Perry to Mark Meadows

Mark, just checking in as time continues to count down. 11 days to 1/6 and 25 days to inauguration. We gotta get going!

Rep. Scott Perry to Mark Meadows

Mark, you should call Jeff. I just got off the phone with him and he explained to me why the principal deputy won’t work especially with the FBI. They will view it as as not having the authority to enforce what needs to be done.

Mark Meadows to Rep. Scott Perry

I got it. I think I understand. Let me work on the deputy position

December 28, 2020
Rep. Scott Perry to Mark Meadows

Did you call Jeff Clark?
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December 31, 2020
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene to Mark Meadows

Good morning Mark, I’m here in DC. We have to get organized for the 6th. I would like to meet with Rudy Giuliani again. We didn’t get to speak with him long. Also anyone who can help. We are getting a lot of members on board. And we need to lay out the best case for each state. I’ll be over at CPI this afternoon.

Jason Miller to Mark Meadows

Assuming you knew this was coming down the pike, but the MSM is going to use this to drive a massive wedge between POTUS ‘and everybody else in the party.’ He’s absolutely going to blow his stack on this if he isn’t already aware. Oh boy I don’t understand what the VP was thinking here: Pence urges court to throw out lawsuit aiming to help him overturn 2020 election results Politico Kyle Cheney & Josh Gerstein December 31, 2020 ’ 6:06 PM

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/3 ... uit-453207
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