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Re: Recruiting

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:25 pm
by Relax77
laxfanrs wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:06 pm Hi, this is my first post but I’ve been reading through all the forums for the past weeks. How important is Best in Class summer for a 27. I’ve noticed with the commitments a lot of players going to top schools played at it. Is it really important even if you’re on a top club team?
Welcome to the Forum. In my experience, it is not important if you are on a top club. Neither is Juniors, All American, American Select and all the other money grabs out there. Do you get exposure, absolutely. Is it fun for the girls, absolutely. BIC is the better of the group, just my opinion. It's also my opinion it's not necessary as long as your daughter is on a top club where there are colleges watching you at a tournament, I wouldn't sweat not being there. Most NY players aren't at BIC because of Regents and it hasn't seem to hurt the NY girls that don't go.

Re: Recruiting

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:29 pm
by LaxDadMax
laxfanrs wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:06 pm Hi, this is my first post but I’ve been reading through all the forums for the past weeks. How important is Best in Class summer for a 27. I’ve noticed with the commitments a lot of players going to top schools played at it. Is it really important even if you’re on a top club team?
I completely agree with that. Not really needed if on a top 20 club team; if not she will get exposure to great competition. It probably is important if you want to be listed as a 4 or 5 star prospect.

However, if she only does one big summer event, I would easily pick this event -- much better than Juniors, UA150 or American Select.

Fully disclosure -- my 27 is going. I've seen the list on LeagueApps and the talent is insane. Probably fair to say that 90% of the 4 and 5 stars will be at the event. I can only name one elite middie who isn't there.

Also, feel free to DM me if you want some more perspective.

Re: Recruiting

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:30 pm
by LaxDadMax
Relax77 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:25 pm
laxfanrs wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:06 pm Hi, this is my first post but I’ve been reading through all the forums for the past weeks. How important is Best in Class summer for a 27. I’ve noticed with the commitments a lot of players going to top schools played at it. Is it really important even if you’re on a top club team?
Welcome to the Forum. In my experience, it is not important if you are on a top club. Neither is Juniors, All American, American Select and all the other money grabs out there. Do you get exposure, absolutely. Is it fun for the girls, absolutely. BIC is the better of the group, just my opinion. It's also my opinion it's not necessary as long as your daughter is on a top club where there are colleges watching you at a tournament, I wouldn't sweat not being there. Most NY players aren't at BIC because of Regents and it hasn't seem to hurt the NY girls that don't go.
Regents isn't a conflict anymore. I've looked at signup list and all of the top Aces, Jesters and YJ girls will be there.

Re: Recruiting

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:32 pm
by Relax77
LaxDadMax wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:30 pm
Relax77 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:25 pm
laxfanrs wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:06 pm Hi, this is my first post but I’ve been reading through all the forums for the past weeks. How important is Best in Class summer for a 27. I’ve noticed with the commitments a lot of players going to top schools played at it. Is it really important even if you’re on a top club team?
Welcome to the Forum. In my experience, it is not important if you are on a top club. Neither is Juniors, All American, American Select and all the other money grabs out there. Do you get exposure, absolutely. Is it fun for the girls, absolutely. BIC is the better of the group, just my opinion. It's also my opinion it's not necessary as long as your daughter is on a top club where there are colleges watching you at a tournament, I wouldn't sweat not being there. Most NY players aren't at BIC because of Regents and it hasn't seem to hurt the NY girls that don't go.
Regents isn't a conflict anymore. I've looked at signup list and all of the top Aces, Jesters and YJ girls will be there.
That must be new, but the point anyway is it used to be, and it didn't affect the girls not there.

Re: Recruiting

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:37 pm
by Deacon022
I think the best way to get seen is club games and prospect camps. It's interesting that my daughter's future coach said she prefers watching players at the showcases more than club games because it wasn't team structured. There's a piece of evidence that all these coaches are looking at things differently and have their own preferences.

Re: Recruiting

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:37 pm
by LaxDadMax
Relax77 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:32 pm
LaxDadMax wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:30 pm
Relax77 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:25 pm
laxfanrs wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:06 pm Hi, this is my first post but I’ve been reading through all the forums for the past weeks. How important is Best in Class summer for a 27. I’ve noticed with the commitments a lot of players going to top schools played at it. Is it really important even if you’re on a top club team?
Welcome to the Forum. In my experience, it is not important if you are on a top club. Neither is Juniors, All American, American Select and all the other money grabs out there. Do you get exposure, absolutely. Is it fun for the girls, absolutely. BIC is the better of the group, just my opinion. It's also my opinion it's not necessary as long as your daughter is on a top club where there are colleges watching you at a tournament, I wouldn't sweat not being there. Most NY players aren't at BIC because of Regents and it hasn't seem to hurt the NY girls that don't go.
Regents isn't a conflict anymore. I've looked at signup list and all of the top Aces, Jesters and YJ girls will be there.
That must be new, but the point stands. It used to be, and it didn't affect the girls not there.
I agree if you are on a top team, it isn't critical. But I also believe if you only do one big summer event I would pick this event.

I would rank them as follows

1) Best In Class
2) HHH Committed Games
3) American Select (if you are in an area where >60% of girls will be from the same club)
4) Juniors
5) All American
6) American Select (if you are not in an area where >60% of girls will be from the same club)

Re: Recruiting

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:48 pm
by Carolinagrad
suffolk wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:13 pm
laxfanrs wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:06 pm Hi, this is my first post but I’ve been reading through all the forums for the past weeks. How important is Best in Class summer for a 27. I’ve noticed with the commitments a lot of players going to top schools played at it. Is it really important even if you’re on a top club team?
It is a nice event but not necessary to be recruited. If your daughter plays for a top club like Yellow Jackets, M&D, or Florida Select and Eagle Stix in the south they will get plenty of exposure.


Very accurate assessment

Re: Recruiting

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:56 pm
by LaxUpstate
LaxDadMax wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:30 pm
Relax77 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:25 pm
laxfanrs wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:06 pm Hi, this is my first post but I’ve been reading through all the forums for the past weeks. How important is Best in Class summer for a 27. I’ve noticed with the commitments a lot of players going to top schools played at it. Is it really important even if you’re on a top club team?
Welcome to the Forum. In my experience, it is not important if you are on a top club. Neither is Juniors, All American, American Select and all the other money grabs out there. Do you get exposure, absolutely. Is it fun for the girls, absolutely. BIC is the better of the group, just my opinion. It's also my opinion it's not necessary as long as your daughter is on a top club where there are colleges watching you at a tournament, I wouldn't sweat not being there. Most NY players aren't at BIC because of Regents and it hasn't seem to hurt the NY girls that don't go.
Regents isn't a conflict anymore. I've looked at signup list and all of the top Aces, Jesters and YJ girls will be there.
That’s not true. Global History Regents is the 18th, which is first day of BIC. From talking with some NY parents, they are skipping it and having their kid take it the next time it’s offered(August 19). Other parents have just signed up and didn’t know their kids have a Regents exam that day.

Re: Recruiting

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:00 pm
by LaxDadMax
LaxUpstate wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:56 pm
LaxDadMax wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:30 pm
Relax77 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:25 pm
laxfanrs wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:06 pm Hi, this is my first post but I’ve been reading through all the forums for the past weeks. How important is Best in Class summer for a 27. I’ve noticed with the commitments a lot of players going to top schools played at it. Is it really important even if you’re on a top club team?
Welcome to the Forum. In my experience, it is not important if you are on a top club. Neither is Juniors, All American, American Select and all the other money grabs out there. Do you get exposure, absolutely. Is it fun for the girls, absolutely. BIC is the better of the group, just my opinion. It's also my opinion it's not necessary as long as your daughter is on a top club where there are colleges watching you at a tournament, I wouldn't sweat not being there. Most NY players aren't at BIC because of Regents and it hasn't seem to hurt the NY girls that don't go.
Regents isn't a conflict anymore. I've looked at signup list and all of the top Aces, Jesters and YJ girls will be there.
That’s not true. Global History Regents is the 18th, which is first day of BIC. From talking with some NY parents, they are skipping it and having their kid take it the next time it’s offered(August 19). Other parents have just signed up and didn’t know their kids have a Regents exam that day.
Fair enough. My point was looking at signups, there are almost 20 girls from top NY clubs like YJ, Aces, Jesters, Monster. And this doesn't even count a few girls from 2nd tier clubs like FLG, Liberty, Salt City

Re: Recruiting

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:18 pm
by uncfan1013
5-star midfielder Brooke Mccoy to Duke

Re: Recruiting

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:19 pm
by LaxUpstate
LaxDadMax wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:00 pm
LaxUpstate wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:56 pm
LaxDadMax wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:30 pm
Relax77 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:25 pm
laxfanrs wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:06 pm Hi, this is my first post but I’ve been reading through all the forums for the past weeks. How important is Best in Class summer for a 27. I’ve noticed with the commitments a lot of players going to top schools played at it. Is it really important even if you’re on a top club team?
Welcome to the Forum. In my experience, it is not important if you are on a top club. Neither is Juniors, All American, American Select and all the other money grabs out there. Do you get exposure, absolutely. Is it fun for the girls, absolutely. BIC is the better of the group, just my opinion. It's also my opinion it's not necessary as long as your daughter is on a top club where there are colleges watching you at a tournament, I wouldn't sweat not being there. Most NY players aren't at BIC because of Regents and it hasn't seem to hurt the NY girls that don't go.
Regents isn't a conflict anymore. I've looked at signup list and all of the top Aces, Jesters and YJ girls will be there.
That’s not true. Global History Regents is the 18th, which is first day of BIC. From talking with some NY parents, they are skipping it and having their kid take it the next time it’s offered(August 19). Other parents have just signed up and didn’t know their kids have a Regents exam that day.
Fair enough. My point was looking at signups, there are almost 20 girls from top NY clubs like YJ, Aces, Jesters, Monster. And this doesn't even count a few girls from 2nd tier clubs like FLG, Liberty, Salt City
It will be interesting to see if those numbers change. Some may do both days, one day or not go after they realize the conflict. Also doesn’t matter if your kid is in AP World History, still have to take the Regents.

Re: Recruiting

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:30 pm
by Relax77
LaxUpstate wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:19 pm
LaxDadMax wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:00 pm
LaxUpstate wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:56 pm
LaxDadMax wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:30 pm
Relax77 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:25 pm
laxfanrs wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:06 pm Hi, this is my first post but I’ve been reading through all the forums for the past weeks. How important is Best in Class summer for a 27. I’ve noticed with the commitments a lot of players going to top schools played at it. Is it really important even if you’re on a top club team?
Welcome to the Forum. In my experience, it is not important if you are on a top club. Neither is Juniors, All American, American Select and all the other money grabs out there. Do you get exposure, absolutely. Is it fun for the girls, absolutely. BIC is the better of the group, just my opinion. It's also my opinion it's not necessary as long as your daughter is on a top club where there are colleges watching you at a tournament, I wouldn't sweat not being there. Most NY players aren't at BIC because of Regents and it hasn't seem to hurt the NY girls that don't go.
Regents isn't a conflict anymore. I've looked at signup list and all of the top Aces, Jesters and YJ girls will be there.
That’s not true. Global History Regents is the 18th, which is first day of BIC. From talking with some NY parents, they are skipping it and having their kid take it the next time it’s offered(August 19). Other parents have just signed up and didn’t know their kids have a Regents exam that day.
Fair enough. My point was looking at signups, there are almost 20 girls from top NY clubs like YJ, Aces, Jesters, Monster. And this doesn't even count a few girls from 2nd tier clubs like FLG, Liberty, Salt City
It will be interesting to see if those numbers change. Some may do both days, one day or not go after they realize the conflict. Also doesn’t matter if your kid is in AP World History, still have to take the Regents.
In previous years NY girls blew off the Regents. I don’t remember 20. I remember a handful. Like Max said, they want those stars.

Re: Recruiting

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:38 pm
by LaxUpstate
Relax77 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:30 pm
LaxUpstate wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:19 pm
LaxDadMax wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:00 pm
LaxUpstate wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:56 pm
LaxDadMax wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:30 pm
Relax77 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:25 pm
laxfanrs wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:06 pm Hi, this is my first post but I’ve been reading through all the forums for the past weeks. How important is Best in Class summer for a 27. I’ve noticed with the commitments a lot of players going to top schools played at it. Is it really important even if you’re on a top club team?
Welcome to the Forum. In my experience, it is not important if you are on a top club. Neither is Juniors, All American, American Select and all the other money grabs out there. Do you get exposure, absolutely. Is it fun for the girls, absolutely. BIC is the better of the group, just my opinion. It's also my opinion it's not necessary as long as your daughter is on a top club where there are colleges watching you at a tournament, I wouldn't sweat not being there. Most NY players aren't at BIC because of Regents and it hasn't seem to hurt the NY girls that don't go.
Regents isn't a conflict anymore. I've looked at signup list and all of the top Aces, Jesters and YJ girls will be there.
That’s not true. Global History Regents is the 18th, which is first day of BIC. From talking with some NY parents, they are skipping it and having their kid take it the next time it’s offered(August 19). Other parents have just signed up and didn’t know their kids have a Regents exam that day.
Fair enough. My point was looking at signups, there are almost 20 girls from top NY clubs like YJ, Aces, Jesters, Monster. And this doesn't even count a few girls from 2nd tier clubs like FLG, Liberty, Salt City
It will be interesting to see if those numbers change. Some may do both days, one day or not go after they realize the conflict. Also doesn’t matter if your kid is in AP World History, still have to take the Regents.
In previous years NY girls blew off the Regents. I don’t remember 20. I remember a handful. Like Max said, they want those stars.
FOMO is real

Re: Recruiting

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:52 pm
by Kleizaster
You have to remember that BIC is owned and operated by Deemer Class, former Duke player who has deep connections in the lax world.

It's basically for kids looking at top 20-40 schools. and alot top 20-40 coaches and assistants attend this event. Just this year KT and Marie McCool among others were spotted there. So i wanna say BIC is really for what its name says, the best players in the class. I believe you have to be invited so its more selective as well.

But if you can attend, its worth it just for the exposure because it will be the highest in the business

Re: Recruiting

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 7:43 am
by MDstateMan
Kleizaster wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:52 pm You have to remember that BIC is owned and operated by Deemer Class, former Duke player who has deep connections in the lax world.

It's basically for kids looking at top 20-40 schools. and alot top 20-40 coaches and assistants attend this event. Just this year KT and Marie McCool among others were spotted there. So i wanna say BIC is really for what its name says, the best players in the class. I believe you have to be invited so its more selective as well.

But if you can attend, its worth it just for the exposure because it will be the highest in the business
Issue with BIC is he pulls from the top ranked clubs anyways. He's not looking for hidden gems or to give exposure to under the radar talent, he's trying to make sure he invites all possible 5-4 star kids.

He'd rather take 6 Hero's kids and YJs, then say, a top prospect on club team outside the top-20.

He also works with these top club kids weekly (M&D Hero's SW) so he's very much motivated to get those kids under his tutelage to the top events, and all star recommendations.

Re: Recruiting

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 7:54 am
by LaxDadMax
MDstateMan wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 7:43 am
Kleizaster wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:52 pm You have to remember that BIC is owned and operated by Deemer Class, former Duke player who has deep connections in the lax world.

It's basically for kids looking at top 20-40 schools. and alot top 20-40 coaches and assistants attend this event. Just this year KT and Marie McCool among others were spotted there. So i wanna say BIC is really for what its name says, the best players in the class. I believe you have to be invited so its more selective as well.

But if you can attend, its worth it just for the exposure because it will be the highest in the business
Issue with BIC is he pulls from the top ranked clubs anyways. He's not looking for hidden gems or to give exposure to under the radar talent, he's trying to make sure he invites all possible 5-4 star kids.

He'd rather take 6 Hero's kids and YJs, then say, a top prospect on club team outside the top-20.

He also works with these top club kids weekly (M&D Hero's SW) so he's very much motivated to get those kids under his tutelage to the top events, and all star recommendations.
Disagree here a bit. If you look at the lists, 20-25% are on clubs outside top 25. (though most are top 50-60ish). Deemer definitely gives invites to rising stars with great film especially if you aren't in a hot bed.

To be fair, he probably isn't giving any invites to girls in 3rd tier clubs in hotbed (like say Integrity or Legacy), but will reach out to girls from clubs like Mad Dog West, Texas National, NH Tomahawk or Team One).

Also for the 27s, about half of invites went to girls who he saw play the year before. Plenty on non-hotbed girls got invited back and plenty of girls on top 10 clubs didn't

Re: Recruiting

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 8:23 am
by DMac
Here's one for all you in the know recruiters/followers of, never knew this.
Anyone know where she played/what she had/has to
with lacrosse?
Daria Sergeyevna Gordeeva-Grinkova is a celebrity with an intriguing background. Born in the USA to professional skating parents, Daria's artistic genes were evident from the start. However, she didn't follow in her parent's footsteps; she carved her path in the world of acting and lacrosse sport.
https://glamourfame.com/daria-sergeyevn ... a-gordeeva
My heart still bleeds for Ekaterina, it just always looked as if these two were put on Earth for each other.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/X8zm3duJopI

Edit:
Found a little something about it myself.
Very cool.
However, Daria is happy, at peace with lacrosse. She plays with the Lightning today against Newport Harbor. In the fall, she plays volleyball.

Right now it’s all about lacrosse and school at Sage Hill. That’s been a change for the better for Daria.
https://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pil ... story.html

Re: Recruiting

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 9:02 am
by MSLAX5
American Select is run by the top club in the areas and in our region they select all their own girls for the top team. They are doing what the event was created to be against I thought They are also starting this in 7th grade summer which is 100% not needed. In my opinion there is no need to join these events until freshmen year summer.
HHH committed allows girls that are freshmen and sophs to play with commits.
Great for those girls, but hurts the event for committed girls because it is now becoming a recruiting event. My committed daughters team had like 6 young girls on the team and it takes away from the original purpose of the event which is "Committed" tourney.
I think the best recruiting is at the college prospect days. The individual school prospect camps at the college. The prospect camps with 30 coaches and 150 kids at tourneys I do not recommend.

Re: Recruiting

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 9:11 am
by MDstateMan
MSLAX5 wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 9:02 am American Select is run by the top club in the areas and in our region they select all their own girls for the top team. They are doing what the event was created to be against I thought They are also starting this in 7th grade summer which is 100% not needed. In my opinion there is no need to join these events until freshmen year summer.
HHH committed allows girls that are freshmen and sophs to play with commits.
Great for those girls, but hurts the event for committed girls because it is now becoming a recruiting event. My committed daughters team had like 6 young girls on the team and it takes away from the original purpose of the event which is "Committed" tourney.
I think the best recruiting is at the college prospect days. The individual school prospect camps at the college. The prospect camps with 30 coaches and 150 kids at tourneys I do not recommend.
Isn't BIC now associated with AS? Seems that is a bit of a conflict right? BIC would obviously try to name their own BIC players for all tournament correct? AS also had very poor evaluations, evidenced by the MD 2028 Red team not winning a single game, despite 5 <D teams in top-12 of USlax.

Re: Recruiting

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 9:13 am
by LaxDadMax
MSLAX5 wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 9:02 am American Select is run by the top club in the areas and in our region they select all their own girls for the top team. They are doing what the event was created to be against I thought They are also starting this in 7th grade summer which is 100% not needed. In my opinion there is no need to join these events until freshmen year summer.
HHH committed allows girls that are freshmen and sophs to play with commits.
Great for those girls, but hurts the event for committed girls because it is now becoming a recruiting event. My committed daughters team had like 6 young girls on the team and it takes away from the original purpose of the event which is "Committed" tourney.
I think the best recruiting is at the college prospect days. The individual school prospect camps at the college. The prospect camps with 30 coaches and 150 kids at tourneys I do not recommend.
To be fair, if you want to look at event politics, look at how they pick which underclass girls from HHH committed get to play with committed girls