All things CoronaVirus

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How many of your friends and family members have died of the Chinese Corona Virus?

0 people
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64%
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2 people.
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Total votes: 70

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ggait wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:08 pm NFL drops the hammer on teams and players who refuse to get the shot:

Today, the league informed the 32 teams that if a game cannot be rescheduled during the 18-week season due to a COVID outbreak among unvaccinated players, the team with the outbreak will forfeit said game and be credited with a loss. The forfeiting team also could face financial penalties and possible additional sanctions if protocols violated. Even more interestingly in a forfeit, players on both teams don't get paid. That's the NFL again saying: GET VACCINATED.

Just following the science. Makes no sense and is completely unfair to treat the knuckle dragging mouth breathers the same as the people who do the responsible thing for themselves, their families, their employers and their communities.

Too bad we can't get Roger Goodell to run the CDC.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/arizona-c ... ccine-memo
hope no one was expecting to take hopkins in their fantasy league. he probably won't be the last to bring it up.

these nflpa contracts are usually pretty buttoned up. these guys aren't patrons at a bar or making $20 an hour. i'd potentially expect a lawsuit. maybe with owners who aren't all chummy with roger as well.

you'd want the cdc with roger at the helm to do what? cancel everything if we have positive tests anywhere?
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wgdsr wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:38 pm
ggait wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:08 pm NFL drops the hammer on teams and players who refuse to get the shot:

Today, the league informed the 32 teams that if a game cannot be rescheduled during the 18-week season due to a COVID outbreak among unvaccinated players, the team with the outbreak will forfeit said game and be credited with a loss. The forfeiting team also could face financial penalties and possible additional sanctions if protocols violated. Even more interestingly in a forfeit, players on both teams don't get paid. That's the NFL again saying: GET VACCINATED.

Just following the science. Makes no sense and is completely unfair to treat the knuckle dragging mouth breathers the same as the people who do the responsible thing for themselves, their families, their employers and their communities.

Too bad we can't get Roger Goodell to run the CDC.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/arizona-c ... ccine-memo
hope no one was expecting to take hopkins in their fantasy league. he probably won't be the last to bring it up.

these nflpa contracts are usually pretty buttoned up. these guys aren't patrons at a bar or making $20 an hour. i'd potentially expect a lawsuit. maybe with owners who aren't all chummy with roger as well.

you'd want the cdc with roger at the helm to do what? cancel everything if we have positive tests anywhere?
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these nflpa contracts are usually pretty buttoned up. these guys aren't patrons at a bar or making $20 an hour. i'd potentially expect a lawsuit. maybe with owners who aren't all chummy with roger as well.
The owners LOVE these rules. And the players like them too and approved them. Because they will keep the games being played and the money keep on flowing.

No chance of a lawsuit. Under the CBA, these things go to arbitration.

Expect teams to start dropping the anti-vax hold outs from their rosters like hot potatoes unless the anti-vaxxer is a super star player who can't be cut without massive adverse cap implications.

Better add vax status to your due diligence checklist for your upcoming fantasy drafts.
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ggait wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:03 pm
these nflpa contracts are usually pretty buttoned up. these guys aren't patrons at a bar or making $20 an hour. i'd potentially expect a lawsuit. maybe with owners who aren't all chummy with roger as well.
The owners LOVE these rules. And the players like them too and approved them. Because they will keep the games being played and the money keep on flowing.

No chance of a lawsuit. Under the CBA, these things go to arbitration.

Expect teams to start dropping the anti-vax hold outs from their rosters like hot potatoes unless the anti-vaxxer is a super star player who can't be cut without massive adverse cap implications.

Better add vax status to your due diligence checklist for your upcoming fantasy drafts.
arbitration, lawsuit all the same to me.
over a month ago, they did in fact agree to a load of protocols:
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-nflpa-agre ... -preseason

maybe it's just me, but a little odd that over a month later the nfl now announcing how they'll treat/punish/fine for missed games? maybe they struck another deal with nflpa?

cole beasley and joe mixon would be 2 guys to tread lightly with in the draft:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... vid-rules/

cole's chances of making and staying in the nfl were worse than 98%, so no vaxx for him.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:29 pm
ggait wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:22 pm
I still like Salty's free drink at your local watering hole...
They did that in NJ at a bunch of craft breweries.

Called it "shot and a beer."
yup and I noted at the time that the NJ Governor must have been reading Salty's posts... ;)

I don't agree with much of what Salty writes, but I could just picture them good old boys down at the local watering hole being tempted to just buckle up and 'get the shot'.

craft breweries might have been a mite upscale for the purpose, but it had the side benefit of supporting local employers.

But what was really necessary was a strict prohibition from entering the bars at all without a vaccine passport...couple that with a shot and a beer and the carrot and stick could have really worked!
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seacoaster wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:54 pm
wgdsr wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:50 pm
seacoaster wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:24 pm Are we too stupid to live?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/20/opin ... e=Homepage

"England, we are told, is free. On Monday the government lifted the country’s remaining Covid restrictions
it was freedom day. there are no rules that day.
So you're saying we are too stupid to live.
So myopic & narcissistic. Everyone in the US & UK who wanted vaccinated has/had that opportunity. No matter what we do in the vaccinated 1st world nations, until the rest of the world's population is vaxxed or gains acquired immunity by surviving infection, variants are going to continue to spread like wildfire until something resembling global herd immunity is attained. To minimize deaths -- vaccines, vaccinators & therapeutics should be vectored globally, starting with health care workers & those most at risk. Ponder the covid consequences of the varying standards between Canada & the US on policing our southern borders.
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PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:05 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:29 pm
ggait wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:22 pm
I still like Salty's free drink at your local watering hole...
They did that in NJ at a bunch of craft breweries.

Called it "shot and a beer."
yup and I noted at the time that the NJ Governor must have been reading Salty's posts... ;)

I don't agree with much of what Salty writes, but I could just picture them good old boys down at the local watering hole being tempted to just buckle up and 'get the shot'.

craft breweries might have been a mite upscale for the purpose, but it had the side benefit of supporting local employers.

But what was really necessary was a strict prohibition from entering the bars at all without a vaccine passport...couple that with a shot and a beer and the carrot and stick could have really worked!
Do it at the Legion. That’s your sweet spot.
A gift certificate to Golden Corral would be effective.
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Even if it's impossible to be surprised anymore, this is worth the read:

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/h ... 022534002/

"In the days before Tennessee stopped encouraging teenagers to be vaccinated against the coronavirus, Republican lawmakers met privately with the state health commissioner and a representative of the governor’s office to discuss specifically how to dial back vaccination advocacy to minors. Those same lawmakers on Wednesday shut down opposition comments from Democrats and the public in a highly-anticipated hearing.

This behind-the-scenes meeting appears to have appeased members of the conservative supermajority, who just last month accused the Department of Health of pressuring teens to get vaccinated and proposed dissolving the agency.

Since then, the health department instructed staff to end all outreach about adolescent vaccinations – not just coronavirus, but for all diseases – and cancelled COVID-19 vaccination events on school property or intended specifically for teenagers.

Some lawmakers, it turns out, knew of these changes in advance. Sen. Kerry Roberts, R-Springfield, and Rep. John Ragan, R-Oak Ridge, co-chairmen of the Joint Government Operations Committee, said in a committee hearing they’d met with Health Commissioner Lisa Piercey and a representative of the office of Gov. Bill Lee about plans to dial back vaccination outreach.

“To be clear, the Tennessee Department of Health was not asked to stop vaccinating children, nor have they stopped vaccinating children for COVID-19 or any other disease,” Roberts said, reading a prepared statement. “Rather, they were asked to stop vaccinating children for COVID-19 without parental consent, and to stop marketing to minors.”

Not all committee members were in the loop.

After Roberts finished his statement and attempted to move the committee to its next agenda item, Rep. Vincent Dixie, D-Nashville, asked if anyone else was going to be permitted to speak about vaccination efforts at the hearing.

Roberts responded that he and Ragan decided no other lawmakers or members of the public would speak.

“We as Democrats do not agree with that statement,” Dixie announced.

Moments later, while speaking with journalists in a hallway outside the hearing, Dixie said he and other Democrats were unaware of the meeting on vaccines. Republicans accused the health department of “bullying” kids to get vaccinated, then clearly used the same tactics to control the agency, Dixie said.

“I find it very disheartening that they would do this behind closed doors,” Dixie said. “If we are going to try to have a true committee meeting, and try to have students’ best interest at heart, why can’t we do this together in open in court – in open committee? It’s ridiculous.”

'I feel like you are trying to silence the truth'
While the committee leaders did not permit public comment on Tennessee's vaccine rollback, some in the audience tried to squeeze it in anyway.

Later in the hearing, as lawmakers discussed legislative rules pertaining to vaccinations at universities, a small group of doctors spoke in favor of promoting vaccines, causing a brief dispute.

“I feel like you are trying to silence the truth,” said Dr. Amy Gordon Bono, a Nashville-area physician.

“This is not the moment in time for you to have an agenda you want to share,” Roberts told Bono. “There are cameras outside and they would gladly interview you.”

The Republican statement read by Roberts was the first direct confirmation that decisions to roll back vaccine outreach were in response to pressure from lawmakers and involved the governor’s office.

Casey Black, a spokesperson for Lee, did not respond to emailed questions on Wednesday.

Tennessee’s vaccine controversy began in June at a similar meeting of the same legislative committee. During that hearing, Republican lawmakers lambasted Piercey over what they described as heavy-handed efforts to convince teens to get vaccinated. The lawmakers were also angry about a longstanding legal doctrine that allows Tennessee teens age 14 and up to get vaccinated without permission from their parents.

Lawmakers even proposed dissolving the health department entirely and ordered health officials to return for more questions – and more discussion about dissolution – during another hearing on Wednesday.

In the wake of the June hearing, the health department quietly made changes, according to a series of internal documents obtained by The Tennessean. First, the agency deleted some pro-vaccine Facebook and Twitter posts that triggered lawmakers. Then it instructed its employees to stop all vaccine-related social media posts aimed at teenagers and not to hold any vaccination events focused on teens.

Then the agency went further: It halted all vaccine outreach to adolescents or about adolescent vaccines for all diseases, not just coronavirus, and forbid coronavirus vaccine events on school property. Agency employees were told to remove the health department logo from vaccine information given to the public. The agency also fired its top vaccine official, Michelle Fiscus, and postponed an online immunization summit for medical professionals.

These changes, which took place as the coronavirus began to spread again in Tennessee, brought heavy criticism upon the state, spanning from nationwide headlines to late-night punchlines. Fiscus stepped into a media spotlight, openly accusing the state government of playing politics and kowtowing to anti-vaccine misinformation.

The health department responded by insisting in public statements that vaccines remain available to all and that it “not only supports immunizations but continues to provide valuable information and access to parents who are seeking vaccinations for their children.”

By the time Wednesday’s committee hearing arrived, lawmakers abandoned talk of dissolving the health department. Roberts said the questions for the agency official would be rescheduled. Piercey did not attend the hearing."
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Misinformation fun with social media? More:

https://popular.info/p/lies-damn-lies-a ... statistics

"Last Friday, President Biden was asked if he had a message for Facebook on the impact of vaccine misinformation on its platform.

"They're killing people," Biden replied.

Facebook was not happy. The next day, Facebook released a blog post defending its efforts on vaccines and attacking the Biden administration's response to the COVID epidemic. It was a masterclass in statistical manipulation.

'The data shows that 85% of Facebook users in the US have been or want to be vaccinated against COVID-19. President Biden’s goal was for 70% of Americans to be vaccinated by July 4. Facebook is not the reason this goal was missed.'

This is a classic case of comparing apples and oranges. Facebook is comparing Biden's goal of actually vaccinating 70% of American adults by July 4 with the number of people on Facebook who, in a survey, say they want to be vaccinated.

In the blog post, Facebook claimed higher vaccination rates in other countries proved that Facebook was not the problem.

'We employed similar tactics in the UK and Canada, which have similar rates of Facebook usage to the US, and those countries have achieved more than 70% vaccination of eligible populations.'

This is cherry-picking data. Facebook ignores that other countries with high Facebook usage, like Brazil, have low rates of vaccination and vaccine acceptance.

Facebook also emphasized how many people on its platform viewed accurate information about COVID-19 and vaccines.

'Since the pandemic began, more than 2 billion people have viewed authoritative information about COVID-19 and vaccines on Facebook.'

It's unclear what this statistic means because Facebook has been using the "2 billion people" statistic since April 2020, well before vaccines were available. Regardless, it is incomplete information. Facebook did not disclose how many people have viewed misinformation about COVID-19 and vaccines and, without that information, it is impossible to evaluate this data point.

Ultimately, this focus on statistics misses the point. The question is not how many people "view" accurate or inaccurate information about vaccines on Facebook. If someone is already vaccinated and views accurate information on vaccines on Facebook, that isn't particularly relevant. Conversely, if someone is already determined never to get a COVID vaccine, viewing vaccine misinformation on Facebook doesn't create a lot of additional harm. (Although it may make someone even less likely to change their mind.)

On Monday, Biden softened his position, saying that he believed misinformation on Facebook, not Facebook itself, is killing people. “My hope is, that Facebook instead of taking it personally that somehow I’m saying Facebook is killing people, that they would do something about the misinformation,” Biden said.

How Facebook's algorithm radicalizes vaccine skeptics

The real question is how are people influenced by the information about vaccines they are exposed to on Facebook. Specifically, how does the Facebook algorithm take someone who may have picked up doubts about COVID vaccines from any one of a variety of sources — Fox News, a friend, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) — and radicalize them into someone who will never get vaccinated. A new report from NewsGuard, which is partnering with the World Health Organization to study vaccine misinformation on Facebook, provides some answers.

According to NewsGuard, Facebook is "still programming its algorithms to send users down rabbit holes of anti-vax propaganda." Specifically, "Facebook continues to recommend broad networks of anti-vaccine and health misinformation pages to users."

On July 20, a NewsGuard analyst "began by ‘liking’ a single anti-vaccine Facebook page." Facebook then "suggested several more anti-vaccine pages." After liking a few of those pages "the analyst was recommended dozens of pages publishing vaccine and COVID-19 misinformation, many with thousands of followers." The entire process took less than 10 minutes.

For example, after clicking "Like" on a vaccine misinformation page called "Vaccinate This," the analyst was presented with a dropdown menu of other vaccine misinformation pages, including "Vaccine Free" and "Evidence of Harm."

Facebook has pledged to remove pages that repeatedly post vaccine misinformation. But the NewsGuard study found that pages it first identified months ago as key sources of vaccine misinformation are not only still on the platform but "remain active and growing – and are visible to Facebook’s billions of users unaccompanied by any warnings about their reliability." One page, "flagged in September 2020, has since published false claims that COVID-19 vaccines are a plan to reduce the world’s population and that the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine is 99% graphene oxide, among others."

Instagram accounts pushing vaccine misinformation continue to grow

In December 2020, Popular Information identified multiple Facebook pages and Instagram accounts where vaccine misinformation ran rampant. Days prior to that report, Facebook and Instagram had announced a new policy banning false claims about the efficacy and safety of the vaccines.

Seven months later, Popular Information has identified accounts on Instagram where dangerous vaccine misinformation continues to spread. These accounts, which have tens of thousands of followers, have only grown over the last few months.

Stand for Health Freedom, a nonprofit opposed to vaccination requirements, runs an Instagram account with at least 58.2k followers. In the last 30 days, the account has gained 1,620 new followers, averaging about 54 new followers per day, according to social media analytics firm Social Blade.

On July 15, the account created a post accusing the CDC of employing “bullying tactics and forceful attempts to push” vaccines onto children. It describes the vaccines as “dangerous and risky products on children” and falsely claims that children “receive no benefit, only potential life-threatening harm.” It also adds, without evidence, that “previously-healthy children are dying” due to the vaccines.

In another post, Stand for Health Freedom claims to have “solid evidence that the official COVID numbers being reported are not accurate” and that “these numbers have been skewed to incite fear.”

On July 9, the organization encouraged its followers to support a bill that would require COVID-19 vaccines to remain voluntary. It falsely alleges that “much of the population is not at risk from harm from COVID but could easily experience harm from a fast-tracked, experimental V.” Notably, throughout the caption, it refers to the vaccine as “V”–– an attempt at circumventing Facebook’s efforts to use artificial intelligence to identify vaccine misinformation.

Popular Information observed that other accounts have adopted this tactic. Insta_ashleyeverly, an account with at least 88.5k followers, recently created a post on the “adverse event of the C19 V.” The report, which is screenshotted, claims to track the “total number of deaths for COVID-19 vaccines.”

According to Social Blade, Insta_ashleyeverly has garnered at least 2,000 new followers in the last 30 days.

There is content still on Instagram that has been removed on Youtube and Facebook. On July 7, Dr. Dale Brown, a chiropractor who runs an Instagram account with at least 28.1k followers, falsely suggested in a video post that the vaccine is not safe. Brown claims that studies that found COVID-19 vaccines to be safe are “bogus and a lie and...can’t be trusted.” According to Brown, the video was removed by YouTube. Meanwhile, on Instagram, it has garnered over 6,000 views.

This was also the case with The Weston A. Price Foundation, a nonprofit “focused on wise traditions in food, farming and the healing arts.” On July 14, it created a visual post that read “We have no safety data on what it does once it’s injected.” The quote is from a Weston A. Price’s podcast episode.

“Where are we headed with this mass push for injections?” read the first line of the caption. The organization notes that while the podcast episode was removed from YouTube, users can still access it through a link in its Instagram bio.

The Weston A. Price Foundation Instagram account has 151k followers. Facebook did not respond to a request for comment."
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Finally someone says the obvious thing out loud.

GOP Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey:

“Folks [are] supposed to have common sense. But it’s time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the regular folks. It’s the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down.”
Boycott stupid. Country over party.
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seacoaster wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:17 am Even if it's impossible to be surprised anymore, this is worth the read:

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/h ... 022534002/

"In the days before Tennessee stopped encouraging teenagers to be vaccinated against the coronavirus, Republican lawmakers met privately with the state health commissioner and a representative of the governor’s office to discuss specifically how to dial back vaccination advocacy to minors. Those same lawmakers on Wednesday shut down opposition comments from Democrats and the public in a highly-anticipated hearing.

This behind-the-scenes meeting appears to have appeased members of the conservative supermajority, who just last month accused the Department of Health of pressuring teens to get vaccinated and proposed dissolving the agency.

Since then, the health department instructed staff to end all outreach about adolescent vaccinations – not just coronavirus, but for all diseases – and cancelled COVID-19 vaccination events on school property or intended specifically for teenagers.

Some lawmakers, it turns out, knew of these changes in advance. Sen. Kerry Roberts, R-Springfield, and Rep. John Ragan, R-Oak Ridge, co-chairmen of the Joint Government Operations Committee, said in a committee hearing they’d met with Health Commissioner Lisa Piercey and a representative of the office of Gov. Bill Lee about plans to dial back vaccination outreach.

“To be clear, the Tennessee Department of Health was not asked to stop vaccinating children, nor have they stopped vaccinating children for COVID-19 or any other disease,” Roberts said, reading a prepared statement. “Rather, they were asked to stop vaccinating children for COVID-19 without parental consent, and to stop marketing to minors.”

Not all committee members were in the loop.

After Roberts finished his statement and attempted to move the committee to its next agenda item, Rep. Vincent Dixie, D-Nashville, asked if anyone else was going to be permitted to speak about vaccination efforts at the hearing.

Roberts responded that he and Ragan decided no other lawmakers or members of the public would speak.

“We as Democrats do not agree with that statement,” Dixie announced.

Moments later, while speaking with journalists in a hallway outside the hearing, Dixie said he and other Democrats were unaware of the meeting on vaccines. Republicans accused the health department of “bullying” kids to get vaccinated, then clearly used the same tactics to control the agency, Dixie said.

“I find it very disheartening that they would do this behind closed doors,” Dixie said. “If we are going to try to have a true committee meeting, and try to have students’ best interest at heart, why can’t we do this together in open in court – in open committee? It’s ridiculous.”

'I feel like you are trying to silence the truth'
While the committee leaders did not permit public comment on Tennessee's vaccine rollback, some in the audience tried to squeeze it in anyway.

Later in the hearing, as lawmakers discussed legislative rules pertaining to vaccinations at universities, a small group of doctors spoke in favor of promoting vaccines, causing a brief dispute.

“I feel like you are trying to silence the truth,” said Dr. Amy Gordon Bono, a Nashville-area physician.

“This is not the moment in time for you to have an agenda you want to share,” Roberts told Bono. “There are cameras outside and they would gladly interview you.”

The Republican statement read by Roberts was the first direct confirmation that decisions to roll back vaccine outreach were in response to pressure from lawmakers and involved the governor’s office.

Casey Black, a spokesperson for Lee, did not respond to emailed questions on Wednesday.

Tennessee’s vaccine controversy began in June at a similar meeting of the same legislative committee. During that hearing, Republican lawmakers lambasted Piercey over what they described as heavy-handed efforts to convince teens to get vaccinated. The lawmakers were also angry about a longstanding legal doctrine that allows Tennessee teens age 14 and up to get vaccinated without permission from their parents.

Lawmakers even proposed dissolving the health department entirely and ordered health officials to return for more questions – and more discussion about dissolution – during another hearing on Wednesday.

In the wake of the June hearing, the health department quietly made changes, according to a series of internal documents obtained by The Tennessean. First, the agency deleted some pro-vaccine Facebook and Twitter posts that triggered lawmakers. Then it instructed its employees to stop all vaccine-related social media posts aimed at teenagers and not to hold any vaccination events focused on teens.

Then the agency went further: It halted all vaccine outreach to adolescents or about adolescent vaccines for all diseases, not just coronavirus, and forbid coronavirus vaccine events on school property. Agency employees were told to remove the health department logo from vaccine information given to the public. The agency also fired its top vaccine official, Michelle Fiscus, and postponed an online immunization summit for medical professionals.

These changes, which took place as the coronavirus began to spread again in Tennessee, brought heavy criticism upon the state, spanning from nationwide headlines to late-night punchlines. Fiscus stepped into a media spotlight, openly accusing the state government of playing politics and kowtowing to anti-vaccine misinformation.

The health department responded by insisting in public statements that vaccines remain available to all and that it “not only supports immunizations but continues to provide valuable information and access to parents who are seeking vaccinations for their children.”

By the time Wednesday’s committee hearing arrived, lawmakers abandoned talk of dissolving the health department. Roberts said the questions for the agency official would be rescheduled. Piercey did not attend the hearing."
Volunteer state?

“The Republican statement read by Roberts was the first direct confirmation that decisions to roll back vaccine outreach were in response to pressure from lawmakers and involved the governor’s office.”
"There is nothing more difficult and more dangerous to carry through than initiating changes. One makes enemies of those who prospered under the old order, and only lukewarm support from those who would prosper under the new."
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ggait wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:05 pm Finally someone says the obvious thing out loud.

GOP Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey:

“Folks [are] supposed to have common sense. But it’s time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the regular folks. It’s the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down.”
But, but, aren’t the unvaccinated just “regular folks”?
"There is nothing more difficult and more dangerous to carry through than initiating changes. One makes enemies of those who prospered under the old order, and only lukewarm support from those who would prosper under the new."
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PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:10 pm
ggait wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:05 pm Finally someone says the obvious thing out loud.

GOP Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey:

“Folks [are] supposed to have common sense. But it’s time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the regular folks. It’s the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down.”
But, but, aren’t the unvaccinated just “regular folks”?
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seacoaster wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:22 am Misinformation fun with social media? More:

https://popular.info/p/lies-damn-lies-a ... statistics

"Last Friday, President Biden was asked if he had a message for Facebook on the impact of vaccine misinformation on its platform.

"They're killing people," Biden replied.

Facebook was not happy. The next day, Facebook released a blog post defending its efforts on vaccines and attacking the Biden administration's response to the COVID epidemic. It was a masterclass in statistical manipulation.

'The data shows that 85% of Facebook users in the US have been or want to be vaccinated against COVID-19. President Biden’s goal was for 70% of Americans to be vaccinated by July 4. Facebook is not the reason this goal was missed.'

This is a classic case of comparing apples and oranges. Facebook is comparing Biden's goal of actually vaccinating 70% of American adults by July 4 with the number of people on Facebook who, in a survey, say they want to be vaccinated.

In the blog post, Facebook claimed higher vaccination rates in other countries proved that Facebook was not the problem.

'We employed similar tactics in the UK and Canada, which have similar rates of Facebook usage to the US, and those countries have achieved more than 70% vaccination of eligible populations.'

This is cherry-picking data. Facebook ignores that other countries with high Facebook usage, like Brazil, have low rates of vaccination and vaccine acceptance.

Facebook also emphasized how many people on its platform viewed accurate information about COVID-19 and vaccines.

'Since the pandemic began, more than 2 billion people have viewed authoritative information about COVID-19 and vaccines on Facebook.'

It's unclear what this statistic means because Facebook has been using the "2 billion people" statistic since April 2020, well before vaccines were available. Regardless, it is incomplete information. Facebook did not disclose how many people have viewed misinformation about COVID-19 and vaccines and, without that information, it is impossible to evaluate this data point.

Ultimately, this focus on statistics misses the point. The question is not how many people "view" accurate or inaccurate information about vaccines on Facebook. If someone is already vaccinated and views accurate information on vaccines on Facebook, that isn't particularly relevant. Conversely, if someone is already determined never to get a COVID vaccine, viewing vaccine misinformation on Facebook doesn't create a lot of additional harm. (Although it may make someone even less likely to change their mind.)

On Monday, Biden softened his position, saying that he believed misinformation on Facebook, not Facebook itself, is killing people. “My hope is, that Facebook instead of taking it personally that somehow I’m saying Facebook is killing people, that they would do something about the misinformation,” Biden said.

How Facebook's algorithm radicalizes vaccine skeptics

The real question is how are people influenced by the information about vaccines they are exposed to on Facebook. Specifically, how does the Facebook algorithm take someone who may have picked up doubts about COVID vaccines from any one of a variety of sources — Fox News, a friend, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) — and radicalize them into someone who will never get vaccinated. A new report from NewsGuard, which is partnering with the World Health Organization to study vaccine misinformation on Facebook, provides some answers.

According to NewsGuard, Facebook is "still programming its algorithms to send users down rabbit holes of anti-vax propaganda." Specifically, "Facebook continues to recommend broad networks of anti-vaccine and health misinformation pages to users."

On July 20, a NewsGuard analyst "began by ‘liking’ a single anti-vaccine Facebook page." Facebook then "suggested several more anti-vaccine pages." After liking a few of those pages "the analyst was recommended dozens of pages publishing vaccine and COVID-19 misinformation, many with thousands of followers." The entire process took less than 10 minutes.

For example, after clicking "Like" on a vaccine misinformation page called "Vaccinate This," the analyst was presented with a dropdown menu of other vaccine misinformation pages, including "Vaccine Free" and "Evidence of Harm."

Facebook has pledged to remove pages that repeatedly post vaccine misinformation. But the NewsGuard study found that pages it first identified months ago as key sources of vaccine misinformation are not only still on the platform but "remain active and growing – and are visible to Facebook’s billions of users unaccompanied by any warnings about their reliability." One page, "flagged in September 2020, has since published false claims that COVID-19 vaccines are a plan to reduce the world’s population and that the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine is 99% graphene oxide, among others."

Instagram accounts pushing vaccine misinformation continue to grow

In December 2020, Popular Information identified multiple Facebook pages and Instagram accounts where vaccine misinformation ran rampant. Days prior to that report, Facebook and Instagram had announced a new policy banning false claims about the efficacy and safety of the vaccines.

Seven months later, Popular Information has identified accounts on Instagram where dangerous vaccine misinformation continues to spread. These accounts, which have tens of thousands of followers, have only grown over the last few months.

Stand for Health Freedom, a nonprofit opposed to vaccination requirements, runs an Instagram account with at least 58.2k followers. In the last 30 days, the account has gained 1,620 new followers, averaging about 54 new followers per day, according to social media analytics firm Social Blade.

On July 15, the account created a post accusing the CDC of employing “bullying tactics and forceful attempts to push” vaccines onto children. It describes the vaccines as “dangerous and risky products on children” and falsely claims that children “receive no benefit, only potential life-threatening harm.” It also adds, without evidence, that “previously-healthy children are dying” due to the vaccines.

In another post, Stand for Health Freedom claims to have “solid evidence that the official COVID numbers being reported are not accurate” and that “these numbers have been skewed to incite fear.”

On July 9, the organization encouraged its followers to support a bill that would require COVID-19 vaccines to remain voluntary. It falsely alleges that “much of the population is not at risk from harm from COVID but could easily experience harm from a fast-tracked, experimental V.” Notably, throughout the caption, it refers to the vaccine as “V”–– an attempt at circumventing Facebook’s efforts to use artificial intelligence to identify vaccine misinformation.

Popular Information observed that other accounts have adopted this tactic. Insta_ashleyeverly, an account with at least 88.5k followers, recently created a post on the “adverse event of the C19 V.” The report, which is screenshotted, claims to track the “total number of deaths for COVID-19 vaccines.”

According to Social Blade, Insta_ashleyeverly has garnered at least 2,000 new followers in the last 30 days.

There is content still on Instagram that has been removed on Youtube and Facebook. On July 7, Dr. Dale Brown, a chiropractor who runs an Instagram account with at least 28.1k followers, falsely suggested in a video post that the vaccine is not safe. Brown claims that studies that found COVID-19 vaccines to be safe are “bogus and a lie and...can’t be trusted.” According to Brown, the video was removed by YouTube. Meanwhile, on Instagram, it has garnered over 6,000 views.

This was also the case with The Weston A. Price Foundation, a nonprofit “focused on wise traditions in food, farming and the healing arts.” On July 14, it created a visual post that read “We have no safety data on what it does once it’s injected.” The quote is from a Weston A. Price’s podcast episode.

“Where are we headed with this mass push for injections?” read the first line of the caption. The organization notes that while the podcast episode was removed from YouTube, users can still access it through a link in its Instagram bio.

The Weston A. Price Foundation Instagram account has 151k followers. Facebook did not respond to a request for comment."
IGNORE the troll.

Ignore function works great, thanks for the advice
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PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:10 pm
ggait wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:05 pm Finally someone says the obvious thing out loud.

GOP Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey:

“Folks [are] supposed to have common sense. But it’s time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the regular folks. It’s the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down.”
But, but, aren’t the unvaccinated just “regular folks”?
How many millions of Americans got symptomatic Covid (test +) and have recovered ? 50 million ?

Do they not count as having immunity, same as getting the vaxx?

Oh well, stay home, stay safe......if you are worried about the Omega variant........you didn't get in shape during the lockdown anyway. You stayed fat.

but, you got the vaxx.....just not the WRITE won :lol: :lol: :lol:

Clearly, that Johnson vaxx is the YUGO or land rover of vaxx's ;)
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How many millions of Americans got symptomatic Covid (test +) and have recovered ? 50 million ?

Do they not count as having immunity, same as getting the vaxx?

RRR --- Why don't you ask Steve Scalise? He seems to understand the science. And he belatedly/finally is following it.

Steve Scalise, a Trump ally and the No. 2 Republican in the House, got his first COVID-19 vaccine on Sunday following months of waiting. Why now and not before? Namely, the spike in cases of the highly contagious Delta variant.

The Louisiana Republican, 55, had previously told reporters "soon," when asked when he planned to get vaccinated.

Scalise told The Times-Picayune he waited because he had earlier tested positive for COVID antibodies. But with cases of the Delta variant on the rise, he decided to move forward with the vaccine — which doctors highly recommend even for those with COVID antibodies.

On Sunday, the U.S. representative received his first Pfizer vaccination at a clinic in Jefferson Parish.

"Especially with the Delta variant becoming a lot more aggressive and seeing another spike, it was a good time to do it," Scalise told the paper. "When you talk to people who run hospitals, in New Orleans or other states, 90% of people in hospital with Delta variant have not been vaccinated. That's another signal the vaccine works."
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/318 ... ources-say

1st coach to bite the dust. coaches don't look like they have as good a union as the players in at least being able to be there.

in other news, d hopkins tweets he thinks he has another 9 years in him. so vaxx or no vaxx, he should be at camp.
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ggait wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:26 pm
How many millions of Americans got symptomatic Covid (test +) and have recovered ? 50 million ?

Do they not count as having immunity, same as getting the vaxx?

RRR --- Why don't you ask Steve Scalise? He seems to understand the science. And he belatedly/finally is following it.

Steve Scalise, a Trump ally and the No. 2 Republican in the House, got his first COVID-19 vaccine on Sunday following months of waiting. Why now and not before? Namely, the spike in cases of the highly contagious Delta variant.

The Louisiana Republican, 55, had previously told reporters "soon," when asked when he planned to get vaccinated.

Scalise told The Times-Picayune he waited because he had earlier tested positive for COVID antibodies. But with cases of the Delta variant on the rise, he decided to move forward with the vaccine — which doctors highly recommend even for those with COVID antibodies.

On Sunday, the U.S. representative received his first Pfizer vaccination at a clinic in Jefferson Parish.

"Especially with the Delta variant becoming a lot more aggressive and seeing another spike, it was a good time to do it," Scalise told the paper. "When you talk to people who run hospitals, in New Orleans or other states, 90% of people in hospital with Delta variant have not been vaccinated. That's another signal the vaccine works."
rrr, the science is new on the delta and protection. a lot of what we saw (~90% protection with previous infection) may be out the window a bit.
small study, in a lab, just measuring antibodies?, but:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03777-9
"The study also found that the delta variant was less sensitive to “sera from naturally immunized individuals,” meaning people who had a prior infection may not be protected against reinfection with the delta variant."

also on one mrna shotters:
"Trusted Source published in the journal Nature reflected the findings "that a single shot of a two-dose vaccine such as Pfizer-BioNTech or AstraZeneca provided “barely” any protection."

now... didn't measure t cells. full vaxx sees a dramatic drop in response from original and alpha.

delta's pretty stealth. maybe also why the r0 is so high.

that said, the uk hospitalizations i posted the other day (60% unvaccinated... not the 90 - 98% quoted here) even with higher uptake lead to what kind of conversations and debates we'll maybe be having soon --- look at all the hospitalizations with the vaxx!!! see!!!

an interesting study out of the u.k., maybe a crystal ball of our rhetoric to come:
https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-half ... lta-2021-7
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vaxx protection waning?
pfizer shot 39% effective against delta in israel, still prevents severe illness

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delta-v ... idappshare

pfizer for it's part stepped in on israel's first announcement (2 weeks ago - 64%) to say get ready for boosters. will they be "delta" specific boosters? tbd.

meantime, whether with new variants or waning protection, are the vaxxers maybe going to be our main vectors? how quick and how willing is the administration going to want to be selling the vaxxed crowd on more vaxx, masks, sd when they may run the risk of "what's the point?" from the vaxxers and "hell no" from the fence sitters?

hope serious illness protection maintains.
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Time to consider mandates? Read this and say W. T. F.

https://www.propublica.org/article/dont ... 19-vaccine

"They are two sisters in two states. Both are dedicated health care professionals who watched in horror as COVID-19 swept through the nation’s nursing homes, killing a staggering number of residents and staff alike.

One sister is now vaccinated. The other is not.

“Dude. Get vaccinated!” Heidi Lucas texted her sister Ashley in May from her home in Jefferson City, Missouri.

“Nope lol,” Ashley Lucas texted back from Orbisonia, Pennsylvania.

“Don’t you work with old people?”

“Yeah”

“What if you killed one of them? Get vaccinated,” Heidi wrote.

Neither sister is budging as the Delta variant brings a new spike in coronavirus numbers across the nation.

Their divide mirrors America’s larger one, where the vaccine to combat COVID-19 is eagerly embraced by some, yet eyed with suspicion and rejected by others.

It is the refusal group, including a significant percentage who work in the nation’s nursing homes, that has confounded and alarmed health care officials who are at a loss as to how to sway them.

Nursing homes faced a shocking mortality rate during the pandemic. In the U.S., COVID-19 killed more than 133,000 residents and nearly 2,000 staff members between May 31, 2020 and this July 4, according to Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services reports. The true toll is thought to be even higher as data gathering lagged in the early months of the crisis, health experts say.

Working in a nursing home became one of the “most dangerous jobs” in America in 2020, according to an analysis of work-related deaths by Scientific American.

Yet seven months after the first vaccines became available to medical professionals, only 59% of staff at the nation’s nursing homes and other long-term care facilities are fully or partially vaccinated — with eight states reporting an average rate of less than half, according to CMS data updated last week.

Twenty-three individual facilities had vaccination rates of under 1%, the data showed.

Staff vaccinations have lagged even as the overall rate for residents climbed to 83%, according to the CMS data.

The strong vaccination percentage among nursing home residents is credited, in part, to an early campaign to bring the vaccine directly to facilities. That suggests availability is not necessarily the issue behind staff going without.

So, what is?

The question defies easy answers. Vaccine refusal is regional and often aligns not only with individuals’ political alignment but also with their preferred news sources and which social media they follow.

Last week, President Joe Biden took aim at Facebook and other social media giants for failing to police vaccine misinformation that amplifies conspiracy theories and discourages people from getting vaccinated. “They’re killing people,” he said, directly blaming the platforms. On Monday, he recast the accusation to say it was specific individuals posting dangerous information who are culpable.

On Tuesday, U.S. Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., pleaded to “anyone out there willing to listen: Get vaccinated.” While not mentioning skeptics specifically — including those in his own party — the Republican leader urged the unvaccinated to ignore “demonstrably bad advice.”

COVID-19 cases are now surging in every state, with new hospitalizations and deaths almost entirely occurring among the unvaccinated. “This is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated,” Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Rochelle Walensky warned last week during a White House briefing.

In May, CMS began requiring weekly reports on vaccinations of residents and staff at nursing homes and other long-term care facilities. The emerging data confirms many health care experts’ worst fears, especially for Southern states.

Louisiana has the lowest statewide average: Just 44.5% of the staff at its long-term care facilities have been at least partially vaccinated, according to CMS data released last week.

Florida, the second lowest-vaccinated state, had a rate of just under 46% among its nursing home and long-term care staff, with Missouri, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Georgia, Mississippi and Wyoming all showing rates of less than 50 percent, according to the data.

Vaccination rates in assisted living facilities are not included in the data.

A separate American Association of Retired Persons analysis, released last week, showed that only one in five of the nation’s more than 15,000 nursing homes were able to hit a goal, set by two industry trade groups, of vaccinating 75% of their staff by the end of June.

While cases in nursing homes have recently slowed, and most of the new COVID-19 infections are among younger people, some experts still worry of a return to darker days.

The CDC recently launched an investigation into deaths of residents at several western Colorado senior facilities possibly linked to unvaccinated staff, the Associated Press reported Wednesday.

“We need to sound the alarm,” said Susan Reinhard, senior vice president of AARP and director of its Public Policy Institute. “Nursing homes were devastated by COVID-19, and many residents remain highly vulnerable to the virus.”

Nationally, more than 89% of people 65 or older have received at least partial vaccination, the CDC reported this week. Still, public health experts have warned that even if fully vaccinated, the elderly may be vulnerable to “breakthrough” coronavirus infection because of compromised immune systems and other underlying health problems.

In Missouri’s southern region, the overall rate of full vaccination in some rural counties is less than 20%, according to state health department and CDC tracking. The latest surge of the delta variant has turned the area into a “tinderbox,” Steven Edwards, CEO of the CoxHealth hospital system in Springfield, recently told reporters.

On Thursday, 160 patients were being treated for COVID-19 at CoxHealth, a spokesperson told ProPublica. On May 14, there were 18.

Heidi Lucas directs the Missouri Nurses Association. She is pro-vaccine and has been pushing hard for nurses to get vaccinated, especially those on the front lines of patient care.

Lucas said it is impossible to separate the lack of vaccination among staff from the lack of vaccinations in individual communities. “Nurses are people too,” she said. “They are on social media and are inundated with false information. How do you fight it?”

Her sister, Ashley Lucas, lives 900 miles away in Orbisonia, a small town of around 500 people about an hour south of State College. She’s a traveling certified nursing assistant at area nursing homes and chose to skip the vaccine.

Her fiance and her children, ages 12 and 13, are also unvaccinated. “I don’t consider myself an anti-vaxxer,” she told ProPublica, bristling that some might see her as reckless or ill-informed.

Instead, she said her decision was carefully considered. It never made sense to her, she said, that the virus seemed to strike randomly, with some residents getting sick while others did not. She said she is not convinced the vaccine would change the odds.

She’s also concerned after hearing that the vaccine could interfere with fertility — a contention that has been deemed false by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the World Health Organization. It all leads her to believe more research is needed into the vaccines’ long-term effects.

“This is just a personal choice and I feel it should be a free choice,” she said. “I think it’s been forced on us way too much.”

Certified nursing assistants make up the largest group of employees working in nursing homes and other long-term care facilities, providing roughly 90 percent of direct patient care. They are typically overworked and underpaid, most earning about $13 per hour and receiving no paid sick leave or other benefits, said Lori Porter, co-founder and CEO of the National Association of Health Care Assistants.

Porter said she is not completely surprised by the low vaccination rate. It comes down to trust, she said, both of the vaccines and of facility administrators who now say staff must get vaccinated. Refusal may feel like empowerment. “It’s the first time ever they have had the ball in their court,” Porter said.

On March 31, Houston Methodist Hospital mandated that all of its 26,000 employees be vaccinated by June 7 or lose their jobs. Jennifer Bridges, a nurse, sued along with 116 other employees, claiming the health care system had overstepped its rights and that she and the others refused to be “human guinea pigs,” evoking the Nuremberg Code, a set of ethical standards established in response to Nazi medical experimentation in concentration camps.

On June 12, U.S. District Judge Lynn N. Hughes dismissed the closely watched case, taking offense to likening the vaccine to the Holocaust, which he called “reprehensible.” Ten days later, 153 Houston Methodist employees either were fired or quit after refusing the vaccine. The judge’s ruling has been appealed.

A handful of long-term care chains have similarly sought to mandate worker vaccines, but such action is far from widespread in the industry. One sticking point has been whether vaccination can legally be required, since all three available vaccines have only emergency use authorization, not full approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

The thornier issue, though, is whether the facilities can risk losing staff when they’re already short-handed. Many workers have vowed to quit rather than be forced into vaccinations.

Aegis Living, a long-term senior care provider in three Western states, made vaccines mandatory for its roughly 2,600 employees on July 1. Dwayne Clark, founder and CEO, said initially 400 employees refused but when the deadline arrived, only about 100 left rather than be vaccinated.

“We lost some staff that we didn’t want to lose,” Clark told ProPublica, “but it felt like the right moral protocol to impose.”

Recently the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission issued guidelines stating that employers can require workers to be vaccinated as long as medical or religious exemptions are permitted.

“Nursing home workers certainly have the right to make decisions about their own health and welfare, but they don’t have the right to place vulnerable residents at risk,” said Lawrence Gostin, a health law professor at Georgetown University. “Nursing homes don’t just have the power to require vaccinations, they have the duty.”

Still, the issue is far from resolved.

“America is a highly litigious country,” Gostin said, “I expect the courts to consistently uphold nursing home mandates, because they are entirely lawful and justified. But there will likely be lawsuits at least until it is quite clear they are futile.”

Diane Peters is a registered nurse in the Chicago suburbs who last year worked at a nursing home and is now working at a senior rehabilitation center. She does not trust the science behind the vaccine and is unvaccinated. So is her fiance.

Everything about the rollout felt like propaganda, she said. Development was too rushed. Clinical trials typically take years, she said, not months. “I don’t think it’s safe right now, it needs more time,” she said she tells patients if they ask.

Most don’t, she said. Neither do her co-workers. She has only been asked once by her employer if she was vaccinated, she said, declining to name the company.

Peters guesses about 40 percent of her colleagues are also unvaccinated, but said no one likes to talk about it because the divide surrounding the vaccine is “surreal.” Staff members are tested regularly and are required to wear masks, she said.

She is doubtful mandates would stick. “They can threaten,” she said, “but a lot of nurses would walk.”

She trusts her instincts and her own research for now. When asked what would change her mind, she had one word: “Nothing.”
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