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Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:52 pm
by youthathletics
PizzaSnake wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:11 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:46 pm
jhu72 wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:44 pm WHO: When will the pandemic end?
ugh
Guess anti-vaxers are not team players and don't understand ideas like community and shared risk. Free-dumb!!!

Seems pretty forking straight-forward. Too bad we have to share the lifeboat with these bright bulbs.

"The more transmission, the more variants will emerge with the potential to be even more dangerous than the Delta variant that is causing such devastation now," Ghebreyesus said on Wednesday. "And the more variants, the higher the likelihood that one of them will evade vaccines and take us all back to square one (or worse, my edit)."
Except there is a report out today, posted in the NYT, that the JnJ appears to be not as strong vs. the variant(s) in lab settings, as compared to the other mRNA 2-shotters. So those knuckledragging mouth breathers vaxx'd with jnj 'may' be in for a risky ride.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:24 pm
by seacoaster
Are we too stupid to live?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/20/opin ... e=Homepage

"England, we are told, is free. On Monday the government lifted the country’s remaining Covid restrictions — on social distancing, on face masks, on numbers for gatherings, the lot — effectively leaving protection from the coronavirus to vaccinations and, er, the goddess of chance. (Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, the devolved nations, have sensibly chosen to retain some restrictions.)

The timing was immaculate: Over the previous week, 332,170 people tested positive for the coronavirus — the most since January — as the Delta variant courses around the country. New Covid-19 cases are expected to rise, perhaps reaching the dizzying figure of 100,000 a day later in the summer. The number hospitalized, much lower than in previous waves of infections because of the vaccination program, is steadily increasing. Deaths are creeping up.

Details, details. This was Freedom Day, as the government and the right-wing press insistently reminded us. The time when the English, after more than a year of sacrifices, could let it all out — drink in a crowded room, go clubbing, have everyone over. No need for masks. But really, it was Confusion Day, a monument to chaos, anxiety and the unknown. We have no plan.

Fittingly, Prime Minister Boris Johnson, lover of liberty (especially his own) and architect of the “plan,” couldn’t celebrate; he was self-isolating. He had been in contact with Sajid Javid, the health minister, who was double-vaccinated and tested positive for the coronavirus on Saturday. (The English are discovering, to their alarm, that vaccines are not invincible.) Mr. Javid is new to the job: He was installed last month after the previous health minister, Matt Hancock, was photographed kissing an adviser in his office. He had to resign for breaking social distancing guidelines with his tongue.

Confined to his countryside residence, Mr. Johnson emitted the cracked bonhomie, the halting obfuscation, that is his trademark. The act, successful for a season, is wearing thin. In the first week of July, more than 500,000 people were contacted by the country’s tracking service and told to self-isolate for 10 days, creating chaos for businesses and individuals alike. (The situation has been called a pingdemic, for the sound the alert makes on people’s phones.) Mr. Johnson’s response was to airily excuse some key workers from self-isolating. Nevertheless, he said, “we do need to stick to the system as is” — ignoring the fact that the day before, he himself tried to avoid self-isolation. In Mr. Johnson’s England, after all, yesterday is a lifetime ago.

Perhaps this is a strategy to achieve hybrid immunity, in which the great majority of the population is vaccinated or was recently infected by the coronavirus (or both), by winter — a more up-to-date version of what seemed to be the government’s initial, much-maligned approach to the pandemic. But the government denies it. Instead, ministers insist a third wave of cases is inevitable, so why not have some sunshine along the way?

Or perhaps this is what happens when you elect a charismatic performer with interesting hair and no thought beyond winning the highest office. I used to think the hair fluctuated according to the stock market. Now I think it responds to polling. It is currently big hair to match big polling, with the Conservative lead, against the backdrop of a successful vaccination campaign and an ineffective opposition, stretching to nine percentage points. Whatever the hair means — and it’s terrifying to think we still do not know — we’re likely to have a few more years to scrutinize it.

No matter what Mr. Johnson says, nothing can dispel the sense that we are a country in decline, segueing to crisis. This is clear not just from obvious markers of malaise — like the fact that 30 percent of British children, in the fifth-largest economy in the world, live in poverty — but also from small things. Last week, for example, London filled quite suddenly with water during a rainstorm; some people swam in it happily, despite its possibly being filled with sewage. In Cornwall in southwestern England, a man, the heat perhaps having gone to his head, allegedly beat a sea gull to death with a plastic spade. If you love metaphor, England used to be the spade. Now it is the sea gull.

The omens are all bad. We almost won, but then crushingly lost, the European football championship, a fable about the national character we cannot yet bear to untangle for what it might mean. And this loss was not even the gaudiest fact of the day. That was a man who told a newspaper he woke up, did three grams of cocaine — who says we can’t trade globally? — drank 20 ciders, lit a flare in his bottom and then invaded Wembley Stadium without a ticket, like D-Day in reverse. “There were no rules that day,” he said. “I was off my face, and I loved every minute.”

“Bum flare man,” as he is inevitably known, is interesting because he is an archetype: a typical subject of Mr. Johnson’s experiment with freedom. What happens next, we can’t know. But it’s sure to be gruesome."

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:50 pm
by wgdsr
seacoaster wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:24 pm Are we too stupid to live?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/20/opin ... e=Homepage

"England, we are told, is free. On Monday the government lifted the country’s remaining Covid restrictions — on social distancing, on face masks, on numbers for gatherings, the lot — effectively leaving protection from the coronavirus to vaccinations and, er, the goddess of chance. (Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, the devolved nations, have sensibly chosen to retain some restrictions.)

The timing was immaculate: Over the previous week, 332,170 people tested positive for the coronavirus — the most since January — as the Delta variant courses around the country. New Covid-19 cases are expected to rise, perhaps reaching the dizzying figure of 100,000 a day later in the summer. The number hospitalized, much lower than in previous waves of infections because of the vaccination program, is steadily increasing. Deaths are creeping up.

Details, details. This was Freedom Day, as the government and the right-wing press insistently reminded us. The time when the English, after more than a year of sacrifices, could let it all out — drink in a crowded room, go clubbing, have everyone over. No need for masks. But really, it was Confusion Day, a monument to chaos, anxiety and the unknown. We have no plan.

Fittingly, Prime Minister Boris Johnson, lover of liberty (especially his own) and architect of the “plan,” couldn’t celebrate; he was self-isolating. He had been in contact with Sajid Javid, the health minister, who was double-vaccinated and tested positive for the coronavirus on Saturday. (The English are discovering, to their alarm, that vaccines are not invincible.) Mr. Javid is new to the job: He was installed last month after the previous health minister, Matt Hancock, was photographed kissing an adviser in his office. He had to resign for breaking social distancing guidelines with his tongue.

Confined to his countryside residence, Mr. Johnson emitted the cracked bonhomie, the halting obfuscation, that is his trademark. The act, successful for a season, is wearing thin. In the first week of July, more than 500,000 people were contacted by the country’s tracking service and told to self-isolate for 10 days, creating chaos for businesses and individuals alike. (The situation has been called a pingdemic, for the sound the alert makes on people’s phones.) Mr. Johnson’s response was to airily excuse some key workers from self-isolating. Nevertheless, he said, “we do need to stick to the system as is” — ignoring the fact that the day before, he himself tried to avoid self-isolation. In Mr. Johnson’s England, after all, yesterday is a lifetime ago.

Perhaps this is a strategy to achieve hybrid immunity, in which the great majority of the population is vaccinated or was recently infected by the coronavirus (or both), by winter — a more up-to-date version of what seemed to be the government’s initial, much-maligned approach to the pandemic. But the government denies it. Instead, ministers insist a third wave of cases is inevitable, so why not have some sunshine along the way?

Or perhaps this is what happens when you elect a charismatic performer with interesting hair and no thought beyond winning the highest office. I used to think the hair fluctuated according to the stock market. Now I think it responds to polling. It is currently big hair to match big polling, with the Conservative lead, against the backdrop of a successful vaccination campaign and an ineffective opposition, stretching to nine percentage points. Whatever the hair means — and it’s terrifying to think we still do not know — we’re likely to have a few more years to scrutinize it.

No matter what Mr. Johnson says, nothing can dispel the sense that we are a country in decline, segueing to crisis. This is clear not just from obvious markers of malaise — like the fact that 30 percent of British children, in the fifth-largest economy in the world, live in poverty — but also from small things. Last week, for example, London filled quite suddenly with water during a rainstorm; some people swam in it happily, despite its possibly being filled with sewage. In Cornwall in southwestern England, a man, the heat perhaps having gone to his head, allegedly beat a sea gull to death with a plastic spade. If you love metaphor, England used to be the spade. Now it is the sea gull.

The omens are all bad. We almost won, but then crushingly lost, the European football championship, a fable about the national character we cannot yet bear to untangle for what it might mean. And this loss was not even the gaudiest fact of the day. That was a man who told a newspaper he woke up, did three grams of cocaine — who says we can’t trade globally? — drank 20 ciders, lit a flare in his bottom and then invaded Wembley Stadium without a ticket, like D-Day in reverse. “There were no rules that day,” he said. “I was off my face, and I loved every minute.”

“Bum flare man,” as he is inevitably known, is interesting because he is an archetype: a typical subject of Mr. Johnson’s experiment with freedom. What happens next, we can’t know. But it’s sure to be gruesome."
it was freedom day. there are no rules that day.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:54 pm
by seacoaster
wgdsr wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:50 pm
seacoaster wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:24 pm Are we too stupid to live?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/20/opin ... e=Homepage

"England, we are told, is free. On Monday the government lifted the country’s remaining Covid restrictions — on social distancing, on face masks, on numbers for gatherings, the lot — effectively leaving protection from the coronavirus to vaccinations and, er, the goddess of chance. (Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, the devolved nations, have sensibly chosen to retain some restrictions.)

The timing was immaculate: Over the previous week, 332,170 people tested positive for the coronavirus — the most since January — as the Delta variant courses around the country. New Covid-19 cases are expected to rise, perhaps reaching the dizzying figure of 100,000 a day later in the summer. The number hospitalized, much lower than in previous waves of infections because of the vaccination program, is steadily increasing. Deaths are creeping up.

Details, details. This was Freedom Day, as the government and the right-wing press insistently reminded us. The time when the English, after more than a year of sacrifices, could let it all out — drink in a crowded room, go clubbing, have everyone over. No need for masks. But really, it was Confusion Day, a monument to chaos, anxiety and the unknown. We have no plan.

Fittingly, Prime Minister Boris Johnson, lover of liberty (especially his own) and architect of the “plan,” couldn’t celebrate; he was self-isolating. He had been in contact with Sajid Javid, the health minister, who was double-vaccinated and tested positive for the coronavirus on Saturday. (The English are discovering, to their alarm, that vaccines are not invincible.) Mr. Javid is new to the job: He was installed last month after the previous health minister, Matt Hancock, was photographed kissing an adviser in his office. He had to resign for breaking social distancing guidelines with his tongue.

Confined to his countryside residence, Mr. Johnson emitted the cracked bonhomie, the halting obfuscation, that is his trademark. The act, successful for a season, is wearing thin. In the first week of July, more than 500,000 people were contacted by the country’s tracking service and told to self-isolate for 10 days, creating chaos for businesses and individuals alike. (The situation has been called a pingdemic, for the sound the alert makes on people’s phones.) Mr. Johnson’s response was to airily excuse some key workers from self-isolating. Nevertheless, he said, “we do need to stick to the system as is” — ignoring the fact that the day before, he himself tried to avoid self-isolation. In Mr. Johnson’s England, after all, yesterday is a lifetime ago.

Perhaps this is a strategy to achieve hybrid immunity, in which the great majority of the population is vaccinated or was recently infected by the coronavirus (or both), by winter — a more up-to-date version of what seemed to be the government’s initial, much-maligned approach to the pandemic. But the government denies it. Instead, ministers insist a third wave of cases is inevitable, so why not have some sunshine along the way?

Or perhaps this is what happens when you elect a charismatic performer with interesting hair and no thought beyond winning the highest office. I used to think the hair fluctuated according to the stock market. Now I think it responds to polling. It is currently big hair to match big polling, with the Conservative lead, against the backdrop of a successful vaccination campaign and an ineffective opposition, stretching to nine percentage points. Whatever the hair means — and it’s terrifying to think we still do not know — we’re likely to have a few more years to scrutinize it.

No matter what Mr. Johnson says, nothing can dispel the sense that we are a country in decline, segueing to crisis. This is clear not just from obvious markers of malaise — like the fact that 30 percent of British children, in the fifth-largest economy in the world, live in poverty — but also from small things. Last week, for example, London filled quite suddenly with water during a rainstorm; some people swam in it happily, despite its possibly being filled with sewage. In Cornwall in southwestern England, a man, the heat perhaps having gone to his head, allegedly beat a sea gull to death with a plastic spade. If you love metaphor, England used to be the spade. Now it is the sea gull.

The omens are all bad. We almost won, but then crushingly lost, the European football championship, a fable about the national character we cannot yet bear to untangle for what it might mean. And this loss was not even the gaudiest fact of the day. That was a man who told a newspaper he woke up, did three grams of cocaine — who says we can’t trade globally? — drank 20 ciders, lit a flare in his bottom and then invaded Wembley Stadium without a ticket, like D-Day in reverse. “There were no rules that day,” he said. “I was off my face, and I loved every minute.”

“Bum flare man,” as he is inevitably known, is interesting because he is an archetype: a typical subject of Mr. Johnson’s experiment with freedom. What happens next, we can’t know. But it’s sure to be gruesome."
it was freedom day. there are no rules that day.
So you're saying we are too stupid to live.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:03 pm
by wgdsr
seacoaster wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:54 pm
wgdsr wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:50 pm
seacoaster wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:24 pm Are we too stupid to live?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/20/opin ... e=Homepage

"England, we are told, is free. On Monday the government lifted the country’s remaining Covid restrictions — on social distancing, on face masks, on numbers for gatherings, the lot — effectively leaving protection from the coronavirus to vaccinations and, er, the goddess of chance. (Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, the devolved nations, have sensibly chosen to retain some restrictions.)

The timing was immaculate: Over the previous week, 332,170 people tested positive for the coronavirus — the most since January — as the Delta variant courses around the country. New Covid-19 cases are expected to rise, perhaps reaching the dizzying figure of 100,000 a day later in the summer. The number hospitalized, much lower than in previous waves of infections because of the vaccination program, is steadily increasing. Deaths are creeping up.

Details, details. This was Freedom Day, as the government and the right-wing press insistently reminded us. The time when the English, after more than a year of sacrifices, could let it all out — drink in a crowded room, go clubbing, have everyone over. No need for masks. But really, it was Confusion Day, a monument to chaos, anxiety and the unknown. We have no plan.

Fittingly, Prime Minister Boris Johnson, lover of liberty (especially his own) and architect of the “plan,” couldn’t celebrate; he was self-isolating. He had been in contact with Sajid Javid, the health minister, who was double-vaccinated and tested positive for the coronavirus on Saturday. (The English are discovering, to their alarm, that vaccines are not invincible.) Mr. Javid is new to the job: He was installed last month after the previous health minister, Matt Hancock, was photographed kissing an adviser in his office. He had to resign for breaking social distancing guidelines with his tongue.

Confined to his countryside residence, Mr. Johnson emitted the cracked bonhomie, the halting obfuscation, that is his trademark. The act, successful for a season, is wearing thin. In the first week of July, more than 500,000 people were contacted by the country’s tracking service and told to self-isolate for 10 days, creating chaos for businesses and individuals alike. (The situation has been called a pingdemic, for the sound the alert makes on people’s phones.) Mr. Johnson’s response was to airily excuse some key workers from self-isolating. Nevertheless, he said, “we do need to stick to the system as is” — ignoring the fact that the day before, he himself tried to avoid self-isolation. In Mr. Johnson’s England, after all, yesterday is a lifetime ago.

Perhaps this is a strategy to achieve hybrid immunity, in which the great majority of the population is vaccinated or was recently infected by the coronavirus (or both), by winter — a more up-to-date version of what seemed to be the government’s initial, much-maligned approach to the pandemic. But the government denies it. Instead, ministers insist a third wave of cases is inevitable, so why not have some sunshine along the way?

Or perhaps this is what happens when you elect a charismatic performer with interesting hair and no thought beyond winning the highest office. I used to think the hair fluctuated according to the stock market. Now I think it responds to polling. It is currently big hair to match big polling, with the Conservative lead, against the backdrop of a successful vaccination campaign and an ineffective opposition, stretching to nine percentage points. Whatever the hair means — and it’s terrifying to think we still do not know — we’re likely to have a few more years to scrutinize it.

No matter what Mr. Johnson says, nothing can dispel the sense that we are a country in decline, segueing to crisis. This is clear not just from obvious markers of malaise — like the fact that 30 percent of British children, in the fifth-largest economy in the world, live in poverty — but also from small things. Last week, for example, London filled quite suddenly with water during a rainstorm; some people swam in it happily, despite its possibly being filled with sewage. In Cornwall in southwestern England, a man, the heat perhaps having gone to his head, allegedly beat a sea gull to death with a plastic spade. If you love metaphor, England used to be the spade. Now it is the sea gull.

The omens are all bad. We almost won, but then crushingly lost, the European football championship, a fable about the national character we cannot yet bear to untangle for what it might mean. And this loss was not even the gaudiest fact of the day. That was a man who told a newspaper he woke up, did three grams of cocaine — who says we can’t trade globally? — drank 20 ciders, lit a flare in his bottom and then invaded Wembley Stadium without a ticket, like D-Day in reverse. “There were no rules that day,” he said. “I was off my face, and I loved every minute.”

“Bum flare man,” as he is inevitably known, is interesting because he is an archetype: a typical subject of Mr. Johnson’s experiment with freedom. What happens next, we can’t know. But it’s sure to be gruesome."
it was freedom day. there are no rules that day.
So you're saying we are too stupid to live.
give him a break, he barely can keep a health minister working to advise.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:09 am
by ggait
Colorado giving out $100 Walmart gift cards for taking the shot.

Makes a lot of sense.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:36 am
by wgdsr
un-effing-believable..

so now everybody's taking all my ideas? wapo, colorado.

what's next, joe's lackeys start posting on the orange duce thread?

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:59 am
by MDlaxfan76
wgdsr wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:36 am un-effing-believable..

so now everybody's taking all my ideas? wapo, colorado.

what's next, joe's lackeys start posting on the orange duce thread?
I still like Salty's free drink at your local watering hole...

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:22 pm
by ggait
I still like Salty's free drink at your local watering hole...
They did that in NJ at a bunch of craft breweries.

Called it "shot and a beer."

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:41 pm
by wgdsr
cdc says jnj shot's benefits outweigh the risk of neurological disorder.

https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-07-22/

looks like the fda anticipated this, and they will put a warning out. on the label.
https://www.livemint.com/science/health ... 23328.html

are we even pushing jnj at all anymore? or sending out to needy countries?

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:58 pm
by NattyBohChamps04
100 preliminary reports of Guillain-Barre Syndrome cases out of 12.8 million J&J vaccines given. :roll:

I love the fear porn, man.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:17 pm
by wgdsr

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:29 pm
by MDlaxfan76
ggait wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:22 pm
I still like Salty's free drink at your local watering hole...
They did that in NJ at a bunch of craft breweries.

Called it "shot and a beer."
yup and I noted at the time that the NJ Governor must have been reading Salty's posts... ;)

I don't agree with much of what Salty writes, but I could just picture them good old boys down at the local watering hole being tempted to just buckle up and 'get the shot'.

craft breweries might have been a mite upscale for the purpose, but it had the side benefit of supporting local employers.

But what was really necessary was a strict prohibition from entering the bars at all without a vaccine passport...couple that with a shot and a beer and the carrot and stick could have really worked!

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:11 pm
by CU88
Rolling 7-day average of daily coronavirus cases in the U.S.:

4 weeks ago: 11,577
3 weeks ago: 13,664
2 weeks ago: 15,219
1 week ago: 26,894

Today: 41,205

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:20 pm
by youthathletics
wgdsr wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:41 pm cdc says jnj shot's benefits outweigh the risk of neurological disorder.

https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-07-22/

looks like the fda anticipated this, and they will put a warning out. on the label.
https://www.livemint.com/science/health ... 23328.html

are we even pushing jnj at all anymore? or sending out to needy countries?
And people wonder why they should risk a shot for a vaccine that is seemingly proving marginally protective agaisnt cv-19 variants, of a virus that the majorily would recover from OR risk a major neurological or clotting issue.

Makes me excited I had the jnj....certainly . mother effers.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:03 pm
by wgdsr
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:20 pm
wgdsr wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:41 pm cdc says jnj shot's benefits outweigh the risk of neurological disorder.

https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-07-22/

looks like the fda anticipated this, and they will put a warning out. on the label.
https://www.livemint.com/science/health ... 23328.html

are we even pushing jnj at all anymore? or sending out to needy countries?
And people wonder why they should risk a shot for a vaccine that is seemingly proving marginally protective agaisnt cv-19 variants, of a virus that the majorily would recover from OR risk a major neurological or clotting issue.

Makes me excited I had the jnj....certainly . mother effers.
it's entirely possible other issues will come up.

however... 1 in 100,000+ for gbs, and 1 in a million for blood clotting... as a numbers guy, those are crazy long odds vs. what has seemingly been the case... not marginally protective, but very protective vaccines inclusive of jnj. yes, lab studies on titers, antibodies, yada are lower and substantially lower than previous strains and variants, but real life protection for now seems to be very good.

if you didn't see, by maybe august results will be in on 2 shot protection for jnj. my holiday-inn-express-last-night estimation is they will be very positive and who knows, might be the best of the bunch. in arms in september? or right away.

as slippery and evasive as delta looks to be, expect better virus versions. boosters ongoing. buckle up.

for kids under 18 things get squirrelly if somehow these kind of numbers get larger, but i'd think we'd see it by now. then we get lessons on community and vectors.

i posted those to illustrate how our vaccine conversation and dialogue may be hitting and reaching the masses.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:08 pm
by ggait
NFL drops the hammer on teams and players who refuse to get the shot:

Today, the league informed the 32 teams that if a game cannot be rescheduled during the 18-week season due to a COVID outbreak among unvaccinated players, the team with the outbreak will forfeit said game and be credited with a loss. The forfeiting team also could face financial penalties and possible additional sanctions if protocols violated. Even more interestingly in a forfeit, players on both teams don't get paid. That's the NFL again saying: GET VACCINATED.

Just following the science. Makes no sense and is completely unfair to treat the knuckle dragging mouth breathers the same as the people who do the responsible thing for themselves, their families, their employers and their communities.

Too bad we can't get Roger Goodell to run the CDC.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:13 pm
by youthathletics
ggait wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:08 pm NFL drops the hammer on teams and players who refuse to get the shot:

Today, the league informed the 32 teams that if a game cannot be rescheduled during the 18-week season due to a COVID outbreak among unvaccinated players, the team with the outbreak will forfeit said game and be credited with a loss. The forfeiting team also could face financial penalties and possible additional sanctions if protocols violated. Even more interestingly in a forfeit, players on both teams don't get paid. That's the NFL again saying: GET VACCINATED.

Just following the science. Makes no sense and is completely unfair to treat the knuckle dragging mouth breathers the same as the people who do the responsible thing for themselves, their families, their employers and their communities.

Too bad we can't get Roger Goodell to run the CDC.
You think the players really give a dump what he says.....their contract likely has them getting paid regardless. What an idiot. if I am a player, I am hoping all my games get cancelled so I don't have to work and risk injury and chill with my homies.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:13 pm
by youthathletics
wgdsr wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:03 pm
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:20 pm
wgdsr wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:41 pm cdc says jnj shot's benefits outweigh the risk of neurological disorder.

https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-07-22/

looks like the fda anticipated this, and they will put a warning out. on the label.
https://www.livemint.com/science/health ... 23328.html

are we even pushing jnj at all anymore? or sending out to needy countries?
And people wonder why they should risk a shot for a vaccine that is seemingly proving marginally protective agaisnt cv-19 variants, of a virus that the majorily would recover from OR risk a major neurological or clotting issue.

Makes me excited I had the jnj....certainly . mother effers.
it's entirely possible other issues will come up.

however... 1 in 100,000+ for gbs, and 1 in a million for blood clotting... as a numbers guy, those are crazy long odds vs. what has seemingly been the case... not marginally protective, but very protective vaccines inclusive of jnj. yes, lab studies on titers, antibodies, yada are lower and substantially lower than previous strains and variants, but real life protection for now seems to be very good.

if you didn't see, by maybe august results will be in on 2 shot protection for jnj. my holiday-inn-express-last-night estimation is they will be very positive and who knows, might be the best of the bunch. in arms in september? or right away.

as slippery and evasive as delta looks to be, expect better virus versions. boosters ongoing. buckle up.

for kids under 18 things get squirrelly if somehow these kind of numbers get larger, but i'd think we'd see it by now. then we get lessons on community and vectors.

i posted those to illustrate how our vaccine conversation and dialogue may be hitting and reaching the masses.
TY

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:17 pm
by ggait
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You think the players really give a dump what he says.....their contract likely has them getting paid regardless. What an idiot. if I am a player, I am hoping all my games get cancelled so I don't have to work and risk injury and chill with my homies.
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Youth -- try reading/thinking before posting, ok?

The players have thousands/millions of reasons to care. Cause this:

Even more interestingly in a forfeit, players on both teams don't get paid.

Which rule was approved by the player union.