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Fauci has had about enough of Rand Paul's clownery: 'If anybody is lying here, it is you.'


Dr. Anthony Fauci is a top government infectious disease expert and one of the top public figures in the federal government's COVID-19 pandemic response. Sen. Rand Paul is an insincere and omnipresent grifter who is only in the Senate due to his daddy's legacy email list and whose every public stance appears to be based on what he thinks will sell in the next fundraising letter. Rand Paul has been a lying, performatively sanctimonious sleezeball throughout every pandemic-related Senate hearing and has been especially aggressive in attempting to blame governmentwide Republican incompetence at responding to the pandemic on Fauci and other actual experts rather than on Donald Golfboy's yearlong, lie-filled indifference towards mounting any response at all.

Fauci is pretty much done with Rand Paul's nonsense. After Paul began his usual sniping during his performative "questioning" of Fauci in a Senate hearing today, Fauci gave him what-for like a Rand Paul neighbor arguing with Paul over yard care decisions. Yowza.


PAUL: [blah blah Fox News conspiracy theories blah blah] Dr. Fauci, knowing it's a crime to lie to Congress, do you wish to retract your statement where you said the NIH never funded gain-of-function research in Wuhan?
FAUCI: Sen. Paul, I've never lied before Congress and I do not retract that statement. [...] Sen. Paul, you do not know what you are talking about, quite frankly, and I want to say that officially. You do not know what you are talking about. OK? [...] I totally resent the lie that you are now propagating, senator, [...] and you are implying that what we did was responsible for the deaths of individuals, and I totally resent that. And if anybody is lying here, Senator, it is you.

A lesser-known rule of American citizenship is that you are allowed to have as much contempt towards Congress as you want, because just look at them. You are especially allowed to have contempt for Rand Paul, personally, because Rand Paul is the Ted Cruz of Jim Jordans and yeeeesh.

What Paul has been attempting to do in these hearings, repeatedly, is push forward the Trump-preferred theory that the COVID-19 virus responsible for the current pandemic was manufactured in a Chinese laboratory and either escaped or was intentionally released, because reasons. There's still zero plausible evidence to support this, and a good deal of evidence suggesting the virus jumped from mammals to humans as countless other viruses have, worldwide, since the dawn of viruses themselves.

It would be useful to Trump-allied incompetents and pro-fascists for the more conspiratorial theory to be true, however, because demonizing the Chinese government and, especially, portraying the pandemic fight as a battle between world powers rather than a battle with Republican administration corruption and incompetence would sell much better at racist Republican rallies. Even if the virus was a laboratory invention, and even if it was, say, accidentally released by American scientists forced to withdraw from the Wuhan lab during one of Trump's many, many retaliatory spats with China and with international health organizations, it would not make even the slightest difference in how the virus should have been responded to. The sole purpose of Paul's conspiracy peddling is to slather a racial or anti-commie set of talking points in a layer thick enough to at least partially hide the catastrophically incompetent response mounted by an archconservative administration, archconservative state governors, and The Idiots Around Him.

Fortunately, the rest of us are allowed not only to notice that Rand Paul, a grifter, is attempting to deflect from Republican incompetence by promoting new Fox News-preferred explanations for why it's not conservatism's fault, but absolutely loathe Paul for being such a fundraiser-obsessed shitbird that he's willing to paper over the Trump team's responsibility for a half million American deaths by reassigning the blame, in whatever manner it takes, to the same enemies that conservatism believes is responsible for any bad thing that happens anywhere in the world. It's the fault of Red Communism, tricky foreigners, and above all the scientists who are big jerks and say mean things about climate change and the consequences of smoking and the incursion of fracking chemicals into drinking water and whether or not wearing a thin cloth mask can keep the people around you from dying.

It's always those damn scientists, with their book learning and their irritating research papers that conclusively disprove things that Rand Paul and his fellow conservatives have bellowed on about, solely for the sake of their best donors, for decades now. They must be the reason that Ron DeSatan can't get the virus under control in Florida. They must be the reason an anti-malaria medication doesn't work against COVID-19 even though some incompetent twit with Trump's ear had convinced him that it would be the cure-all that made all other pandemic responses unnecessary.

Yeah, Paul has a bone to pick with scientists. And reality. And his neighbors. And nobody around him has to put up with it, because he's a grifting, lying, self-aggrandizing blowhard and deserves every bit of the contempt he gets.







Rand Paul = total shtttt for brains. So glad to see someone call him out on it.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:16 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:10 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:19 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:59 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:49 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:23 am So, here's the thing: a large % of Americans, specifically those who watch Fox, follow Trump's Twitter feed, etc actually still believe that the virus does not actually exist.

Still.

Others think that the virus exists but is less of an issue than the common flu...can't do the math, don't believe Fauci that the virus is 10X (or more) more lethal than the flu.

And both those groups truly believe that this is about 'taking down the President'.

Some even believe this is a Chinese "foreign" bioengineered weapon...

Did the President persuade them otherwise last night?

You, sir, are in too deep. Even the posts from many, that you are in favor of on this forum, has you buried in like an Alabama tick. Your high and mighty observance, clearly shows how stuffy you are and correct you must be, in order to keep your ego fed.

You disavow darned near everyone's opinion, observations, even potential or possible outcomes and put them in 1 of 2 boxes....MD's belief system or they must otherwise be a Fox/Trump follower....GMAFB.

You remind me of the coach/teacher that said no question is a bad on, then when the student ask one....you call them an idiot.

Did I offend you personally youth?

Are you saying you're in one of those groups I described?

Just to be clear if I wasn't before, not all Fox viewers are in one of those camps, nor are they all "idiots".
Some are beginning to recognize this is real and serious.

Not offend me at all md, but your myopic is way off target.

Which aspect?
Please be specific as to what I wrote that you think is "myopic".

My point is that there are large #'s of folks who don't think this is serious.
Why?
IMO, because they've been getting told that it isn't serious.
Over and over again in their closed loop media feeds.

And why does that matter?
Because if we don't get everyone's cooperation in social distancing we won't flatten the curve enough to avoid overwhelming our health system.

Am I being "myopic"?

you say the above in red and blue with certainty...putting all those people in a box.

Myopic - lacking intellectual insight.

was I right or did I lack "intellectual insight"???

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:10 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:32 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:22 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:58 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:38 am

Bart wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:35 am

6ftstick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:23 am So if Trump wasn't president.

We wouldn't be self quarantined in our homes?

Professional and college sports wouldn't have been canceled?

Schools restaurants and bars wouldn't be locked down?

Social distancing wouldn't be the prescription for 300 million plus Americans?

The stock market wouldn't have collapsed under all this uncertainty?

We wouldn't still be trying to bend the curve?

What would be different?

No, I think we would still be there. Tests and all that are things to quibble about by people with more intellect than myself but to me, yesterday was the first time I have seen the President face the reality of what the potential would actually be when he said "we do not have this under control". For me, and this is for me only, it would have been much more reassuring to hear him say this weeks ago and indicate that he would listen to his scientific advisers moving forward. The fact that he indicated he had an innate (my characterization and perception)ability to understand all this at the level of the professionals at the CDC and NIH lost a ton of credibility for me. I know accomplished scientists at both of those institutions and there was nothing innate about about how they got there. Several of these people were always "the smartest person in the room" but to get to the point they are in was not innate but lots of hard work and study. That is my issue.

I think that's right Bart.

6ft, more to your question, yes, we'd have needed to go through social distancing and economic contraction.
Inescapable given the nature of the virus.

But that's not the whole story.

Had we admitted the coming reality and properly prioritized resources, testing first and foremost, the depths and lengths of the challenge could have been greatly reduced. Not eliminated, greatly reduced.

Likewise, had we prioritized ventilators, masks, gowns, training, hospital beds, etc, instead of being way, way, way behind in all of these, the impact would have been greatly reduced. Not eliminated, greatly reduced.

Are you implying that roughly ~5000 sicknesses have crushed our medical facilities and then in the same breath blaming the administration for that? To me, that says our medical infrastructure is quite poor and their planning had no contingencies for pandemic.....I believe Tony Fauci admitted that. Enough of the Orange Man Bad b/c it fits a narrative. If the USA is going to be bent over grabbing their ankles by ~ 5000 illnesses, then we are eff'd...full stop.

To further argue that "training" was not ready.....that also speaks to poor planning medical infrastructure problems.....that reaches far, far, far, beyond any one administration. Our military, first respondents do nothing but training for the "worst" case scenario. TO the end, I can see how this snowballs into gov't run healthcare...much like our military....which is always quite strong and prepared.

good lord, youth, your cluelessness or perhaps its stubbornness do concern me.

NO ONE is implying that 5,000 illnesses crush a darn thing...please read the estimations of what's building fast.

40-60% of population will eventually contract it, 15-17% will need serious care, hospitalization.
Multiply it out and report back to us that you can actually do math.

When this math became apparent, we needed to immediately ramp up all aspects. That was over two months ago. Arguably 3 months ago.
We're now, way, way behind.

I read YOUR WORDS and replied to YOUR WORDS not speculation. You actually are certain that 150 Million people are getting this thing? Your words (40%-60%) and that roughly 35mm (10% less than your 15-17%) will need serious care?

Come on man.

Certain?

No, but that's exactly the sort of scale of what is predicted (by the scientists) as contracted if we don't successfully slow the rapid spread.

Not sure how you did your "math" on hospitalizations, but try again.

15% of 150 million is 22.5 million hospitalizations. But you have the scale close.
There is a much higher rate of serious complications, not just mortality, with this virus than the flu.

Million+ dead. Maybe 4 million. Directly related to having virus.

The actual hospitalizations won't happen as we won't be able to take them in, people will just die at home.
So, too, will others not able to get into the hospital.

The hope is that we can slow down the spread, spread it out over many months, such that we can get enough beds, enough supplies, ventilators, etc to handle the crush.

They're very, very worried that they won't blunt it enough.

But let's sure as heck hope (and pray) that the curve is flattened enough to avoid the high end of these estimates.

Another difference of opinion here...we did avoid the high end of those estimates, thank god.

Holy historical long post, Batman! But yes, tRUMP seeks to divide, the entire country... between those who believe in science and those willing to believe his lying propaganda. Climate change doesn't exist either, so bring back coal... but he couldn't bring back coal, no matter how much West Virginians believed he could. With coronavirus, it seems not to bother him (or the Fox network) that people die because of his lying propaganda.

i think you mean avoided the low end of those estimates? what a phenomenal job by both administrations!!! just evidence of american ingenuity and what the us of a can do when we're all pulling together.

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:00 pm https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/7 ... king-about

Fauci has had about enough of Rand Paul's clownery: 'If anybody is lying here, it is you.'


Dr. Anthony Fauci is a top government infectious disease expert and one of the top public figures in the federal government's COVID-19 pandemic response. Sen. Rand Paul is an insincere and omnipresent grifter who is only in the Senate due to his daddy's legacy email list and whose every public stance appears to be based on what he thinks will sell in the next fundraising letter. Rand Paul has been a lying, performatively sanctimonious sleezeball throughout every pandemic-related Senate hearing and has been especially aggressive in attempting to blame governmentwide Republican incompetence at responding to the pandemic on Fauci and other actual experts rather than on Donald Golfboy's yearlong, lie-filled indifference towards mounting any response at all.

Fauci is pretty much done with Rand Paul's nonsense. After Paul began his usual sniping during his performative "questioning" of Fauci in a Senate hearing today, Fauci gave him what-for like a Rand Paul neighbor arguing with Paul over yard care decisions. Yowza.


PAUL: [blah blah Fox News conspiracy theories blah blah] Dr. Fauci, knowing it's a crime to lie to Congress, do you wish to retract your statement where you said the NIH never funded gain-of-function research in Wuhan?
FAUCI: Sen. Paul, I've never lied before Congress and I do not retract that statement. [...] Sen. Paul, you do not know what you are talking about, quite frankly, and I want to say that officially. You do not know what you are talking about. OK? [...] I totally resent the lie that you are now propagating, senator, [...] and you are implying that what we did was responsible for the deaths of individuals, and I totally resent that. And if anybody is lying here, Senator, it is you.

A lesser-known rule of American citizenship is that you are allowed to have as much contempt towards Congress as you want, because just look at them. You are especially allowed to have contempt for Rand Paul, personally, because Rand Paul is the Ted Cruz of Jim Jordans and yeeeesh.

What Paul has been attempting to do in these hearings, repeatedly, is push forward the Trump-preferred theory that the COVID-19 virus responsible for the current pandemic was manufactured in a Chinese laboratory and either escaped or was intentionally released, because reasons. There's still zero plausible evidence to support this, and a good deal of evidence suggesting the virus jumped from mammals to humans as countless other viruses have, worldwide, since the dawn of viruses themselves.

It would be useful to Trump-allied incompetents and pro-fascists for the more conspiratorial theory to be true, however, because demonizing the Chinese government and, especially, portraying the pandemic fight as a battle between world powers rather than a battle with Republican administration corruption and incompetence would sell much better at racist Republican rallies. Even if the virus was a laboratory invention, and even if it was, say, accidentally released by American scientists forced to withdraw from the Wuhan lab during one of Trump's many, many retaliatory spats with China and with international health organizations, it would not make even the slightest difference in how the virus should have been responded to. The sole purpose of Paul's conspiracy peddling is to slather a racial or anti-commie set of talking points in a layer thick enough to at least partially hide the catastrophically incompetent response mounted by an archconservative administration, archconservative state governors, and The Idiots Around Him.

Fortunately, the rest of us are allowed not only to notice that Rand Paul, a grifter, is attempting to deflect from Republican incompetence by promoting new Fox News-preferred explanations for why it's not conservatism's fault, but absolutely loathe Paul for being such a fundraiser-obsessed shitbird that he's willing to paper over the Trump team's responsibility for a half million American deaths by reassigning the blame, in whatever manner it takes, to the same enemies that conservatism believes is responsible for any bad thing that happens anywhere in the world. It's the fault of Red Communism, tricky foreigners, and above all the scientists who are big jerks and say mean things about climate change and the consequences of smoking and the incursion of fracking chemicals into drinking water and whether or not wearing a thin cloth mask can keep the people around you from dying.

It's always those damn scientists, with their book learning and their irritating research papers that conclusively disprove things that Rand Paul and his fellow conservatives have bellowed on about, solely for the sake of their best donors, for decades now. They must be the reason that Ron DeSatan can't get the virus under control in Florida. They must be the reason an anti-malaria medication doesn't work against COVID-19 even though some incompetent twit with Trump's ear had convinced him that it would be the cure-all that made all other pandemic responses unnecessary.

Yeah, Paul has a bone to pick with scientists. And reality. And his neighbors. And nobody around him has to put up with it, because he's a grifting, lying, self-aggrandizing blowhard and deserves every bit of the contempt he gets.

Rand Paul = total shtttt for brains. So glad to see someone call him out on it.

this guy doesn't like paul much. or is it a pseudonym?

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:35 pm i think you mean avoided the low end of those estimates? what a phenomenal job by both administrations!!! just evidence of american ingenuity and what the us of a can do when we're all pulling together.

yes, we avoided the low end of the estimates of what would happen with no distancing, etc.
Not a million US dead..."just" 625k, so far.

Ahhh, but what could have been if we'd actually been 'all pulling together'...

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:17 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:35 pm i think you mean avoided the low end of those estimates? what a phenomenal job by both administrations!!! just evidence of american ingenuity and what the us of a can do when we're all pulling together.

yes, we avoided the low end of the estimates of what would happen with no distancing, etc.
Not a million US dead..."just" 625k, so far.

Ahhh, but what could have been if we'd actually been 'all pulling together'...

i was speaking more about hospitalizations. seemed to be what you got into, and were predicting a real disaster. deaths are up in the air, with covid still around and excess deaths and all.

people, like public school kids, families, elderly... have made a lot of sacrifices. some just don't think they've made enough.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:03 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:16 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:10 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:19 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:59 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:49 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:23 am So, here's the thing: a large % of Americans, specifically those who watch Fox, follow Trump's Twitter feed, etc actually still believe that the virus does not actually exist.

Still.

Others think that the virus exists but is less of an issue than the common flu...can't do the math, don't believe Fauci that the virus is 10X (or more) more lethal than the flu.

And both those groups truly believe that this is about 'taking down the President'.

Some even believe this is a Chinese "foreign" bioengineered weapon...

Did the President persuade them otherwise last night?

You, sir, are in too deep. Even the posts from many, that you are in favor of on this forum, has you buried in like an Alabama tick. Your high and mighty observance, clearly shows how stuffy you are and correct you must be, in order to keep your ego fed.

You disavow darned near everyone's opinion, observations, even potential or possible outcomes and put them in 1 of 2 boxes....MD's belief system or they must otherwise be a Fox/Trump follower....GMAFB.

You remind me of the coach/teacher that said no question is a bad on, then when the student ask one....you call them an idiot.

Did I offend you personally youth?

Are you saying you're in one of those groups I described?

Just to be clear if I wasn't before, not all Fox viewers are in one of those camps, nor are they all "idiots".
Some are beginning to recognize this is real and serious.

Not offend me at all md, but your myopic is way off target.

Which aspect?
Please be specific as to what I wrote that you think is "myopic".

My point is that there are large #'s of folks who don't think this is serious.
Why?
IMO, because they've been getting told that it isn't serious.
Over and over again in their closed loop media feeds.

And why does that matter?
Because if we don't get everyone's cooperation in social distancing we won't flatten the curve enough to avoid overwhelming our health system.

Am I being "myopic"?

you say the above in red and blue with certainty...putting all those people in a box.

Myopic - lacking intellectual insight.

was I right or did I lack "intellectual insight"???

No, you are still wrong, IMO. I have seen no one, say the virus does not exist, as you said above in red and blue. Seems taking you to Vegas would bring us bad luck.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:08 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:10 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:32 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:22 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:58 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:38 am

Bart wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:35 am

6ftstick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:23 am So if Trump wasn't president.

We wouldn't be self quarantined in our homes?

Professional and college sports wouldn't have been canceled?

Schools restaurants and bars wouldn't be locked down?

Social distancing wouldn't be the prescription for 300 million plus Americans?

The stock market wouldn't have collapsed under all this uncertainty?

We wouldn't still be trying to bend the curve?

What would be different?

No, I think we would still be there. Tests and all that are things to quibble about by people with more intellect than myself but to me, yesterday was the first time I have seen the President face the reality of what the potential would actually be when he said "we do not have this under control". For me, and this is for me only, it would have been much more reassuring to hear him say this weeks ago and indicate that he would listen to his scientific advisers moving forward. The fact that he indicated he had an innate (my characterization and perception)ability to understand all this at the level of the professionals at the CDC and NIH lost a ton of credibility for me. I know accomplished scientists at both of those institutions and there was nothing innate about about how they got there. Several of these people were always "the smartest person in the room" but to get to the point they are in was not innate but lots of hard work and study. That is my issue.

I think that's right Bart.

6ft, more to your question, yes, we'd have needed to go through social distancing and economic contraction.
Inescapable given the nature of the virus.

But that's not the whole story.

Had we admitted the coming reality and properly prioritized resources, testing first and foremost, the depths and lengths of the challenge could have been greatly reduced. Not eliminated, greatly reduced.

Likewise, had we prioritized ventilators, masks, gowns, training, hospital beds, etc, instead of being way, way, way behind in all of these, the impact would have been greatly reduced. Not eliminated, greatly reduced.

Are you implying that roughly ~5000 sicknesses have crushed our medical facilities and then in the same breath blaming the administration for that? To me, that says our medical infrastructure is quite poor and their planning had no contingencies for pandemic.....I believe Tony Fauci admitted that. Enough of the Orange Man Bad b/c it fits a narrative. If the USA is going to be bent over grabbing their ankles by ~ 5000 illnesses, then we are eff'd...full stop.

To further argue that "training" was not ready.....that also speaks to poor planning medical infrastructure problems.....that reaches far, far, far, beyond any one administration. Our military, first respondents do nothing but training for the "worst" case scenario. TO the end, I can see how this snowballs into gov't run healthcare...much like our military....which is always quite strong and prepared.

good lord, youth, your cluelessness or perhaps its stubbornness do concern me.

NO ONE is implying that 5,000 illnesses crush a darn thing...please read the estimations of what's building fast.

40-60% of population will eventually contract it, 15-17% will need serious care, hospitalization.
Multiply it out and report back to us that you can actually do math.

When this math became apparent, we needed to immediately ramp up all aspects. That was over two months ago. Arguably 3 months ago.
We're now, way, way behind.

I read YOUR WORDS and replied to YOUR WORDS not speculation. You actually are certain that 150 Million people are getting this thing? Your words (40%-60%) and that roughly 35mm (10% less than your 15-17%) will need serious care?

Come on man.

Certain?

No, but that's exactly the sort of scale of what is predicted (by the scientists) as contracted if we don't successfully slow the rapid spread.

Not sure how you did your "math" on hospitalizations, but try again.

15% of 150 million is 22.5 million hospitalizations. But you have the scale close.
There is a much higher rate of serious complications, not just mortality, with this virus than the flu.

Million+ dead. Maybe 4 million. Directly related to having virus.

The actual hospitalizations won't happen as we won't be able to take them in, people will just die at home.
So, too, will others not able to get into the hospital.

The hope is that we can slow down the spread, spread it out over many months, such that we can get enough beds, enough supplies, ventilators, etc to handle the crush.

They're very, very worried that they won't blunt it enough.

But let's sure as heck hope (and pray) that the curve is flattened enough to avoid the high end of these estimates.

Another difference of opinion here...we did avoid the high end of those estimates, thank god.

Another reason not to take you to vegas,

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:40 pm
this guy doesn't like paul much. or is it a pseudonym?

Can't blame him for writing about Shtttt for brains Paul that way. Every word of what he says is the truth and nothing but the truth.

Reichsters, like their counterparts in Na卍i Germany, are hell bent on playing the blame game by attributing the spread of covid to China. This although they still insist the disease is a hoax and that masks don't work because they want others to die. Then, they can blame China or the current administration for those deaths. More deaths invariably mean a slower economic recovery and then they claim that "socialism" is responsible for this. All the while they pretend tRump is a savior of some kind who would have made the economy recover faster if he had been in the White Wash House. So far, too many people have passively allowed the Repukesters to voice their shttt all over TV and the Internet as if any of their crap was true. Thankfully, we have people like Dr Fauci who speak the truth and tell these treasonous morons off.

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:53 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:40 pm
this guy doesn't like paul much. or is it a pseudonym?

Can't blame him for writing about Shtttt for brains Paul that way. Every word of what he says is the truth and nothing but the truth.

Reichsters, like their counterparts in Na卍i Germany, are hell bent on playing the blame game by attributing the spread of covid to China. This although they still insist the disease is a hoax and that masks don't work because they want others to die. Then, they can blame China or the current administration for those deaths. More deaths invariably mean a slower economic recovery and then they claim that "socialism" is responsible for this. All the while they pretend tRump is a savior of some kind who would have made the economy recover faster if he had been in the White Wash House. So far, too many people have passively allowed the Repukesters to voice their shttt all over TV and the Internet as if any of their crap was true. Thankfully, we have people like Dr Fauci who speak the truth and tell these treasonous morons off.

you should've included that in the blog.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:24 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:17 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:35 pm i think you mean avoided the low end of those estimates? what a phenomenal job by both administrations!!! just evidence of american ingenuity and what the us of a can do when we're all pulling together.

yes, we avoided the low end of the estimates of what would happen with no distancing, etc.
Not a million US dead..."just" 625k, so far.

Ahhh, but what could have been if we'd actually been 'all pulling together'...

i was speaking more about hospitalizations. seemed to be what you got into, and were predicting a real disaster. deaths are up in the air, with covid still around and excess deaths and all.

people, like public school kids, families, elderly... have made a lot of sacrifices. some just don't think they've made enough.

To be clear, I wasn't predicting "a real disaster"...those were the predictions of the experts IF we didn't distance, didn't mask, etc. The immediate problem at the time of that writing was a potentially overwhelmed hospital system, people simply dying at home, even potential social breakdown, food system breakdown, and panicked chaos. Thus, need to "bend the curve"...unfortunately, we'd already missed the chance to "crush the virus", choke it off at that point, so simply avoiding health system breakdown was the priority...some people didn't try to help, even denied necessity of the measures (and yes, youth, even denied it was more than just another flu) but many did react as needed, thank god.

No, I don't think those who sacrificed a lot needed to do more...rather, I think there were some, too many, who actively resisted being part of those efforts, encouraged others to resist, and they're still doing it now with the vaccine.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:39 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:03 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:16 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:10 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:19 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:59 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:49 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:23 am So, here's the thing: a large % of Americans, specifically those who watch Fox, follow Trump's Twitter feed, etc actually still believe that the virus does not actually exist.

Still.

Others think that the virus exists but is less of an issue than the common flu...can't do the math, don't believe Fauci that the virus is 10X (or more) more lethal than the flu.

And both those groups truly believe that this is about 'taking down the President'.

Some even believe this is a Chinese "foreign" bioengineered weapon...

Did the President persuade them otherwise last night?

You, sir, are in too deep. Even the posts from many, that you are in favor of on this forum, has you buried in like an Alabama tick. Your high and mighty observance, clearly shows how stuffy you are and correct you must be, in order to keep your ego fed.

You disavow darned near everyone's opinion, observations, even potential or possible outcomes and put them in 1 of 2 boxes....MD's belief system or they must otherwise be a Fox/Trump follower....GMAFB.

You remind me of the coach/teacher that said no question is a bad on, then when the student ask one....you call them an idiot.

Did I offend you personally youth?

Are you saying you're in one of those groups I described?

Just to be clear if I wasn't before, not all Fox viewers are in one of those camps, nor are they all "idiots".
Some are beginning to recognize this is real and serious.

Not offend me at all md, but your myopic is way off target.

Which aspect?
Please be specific as to what I wrote that you think is "myopic".

My point is that there are large #'s of folks who don't think this is serious.
Why?
IMO, because they've been getting told that it isn't serious.
Over and over again in their closed loop media feeds.

And why does that matter?
Because if we don't get everyone's cooperation in social distancing we won't flatten the curve enough to avoid overwhelming our health system.

Am I being "myopic"?

you say the above in red and blue with certainty...putting all those people in a box.

Myopic - lacking intellectual insight.

was I right or did I lack "intellectual insight"???

No, you are still wrong, IMO. I have seen no one, say the virus does not exist, as you said above in red and blue. Seems taking you to Vegas would bring us bad luck.

does not exist, not more than just another flu.

From that article in Reuters:
Yet across social media and in private conversations, many Americans still doubt the pandemic is that bad. In their social media posts, many link their suspicions that the danger is exaggerated directly to Trump’s early downplaying of the illness.

“This is insanity, I think this coronavirus hype is bull,” said Rene Rodriguez, doing some late-night grocery shopping in Austin with his wife and infant child
“The media is hyping this to get at Trump. Nobody can explain why this is more dangerous than the flu. Everybody I work with thinks this is a joke.”

There was ton of this...including on these relatively sane threads.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:24 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:17 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:35 pm i think you mean avoided the low end of those estimates? what a phenomenal job by both administrations!!! just evidence of american ingenuity and what the us of a can do when we're all pulling together.

yes, we avoided the low end of the estimates of what would happen with no distancing, etc.
Not a million US dead..."just" 625k, so far.

Ahhh, but what could have been if we'd actually been 'all pulling together'...

i was speaking more about hospitalizations. seemed to be what you got into, and were predicting a real disaster. deaths are up in the air, with covid still around and excess deaths and all.

people, like public school kids, families, elderly... have made a lot of sacrifices. some just don't think they've made enough.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... hs-tracker

These TBT games have been unbelievable!

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:30 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:24 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:17 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:35 pm i think you mean avoided the low end of those estimates? what a phenomenal job by both administrations!!! just evidence of american ingenuity and what the us of a can do when we're all pulling together.

yes, we avoided the low end of the estimates of what would happen with no distancing, etc.
Not a million US dead..."just" 625k, so far.

Ahhh, but what could have been if we'd actually been 'all pulling together'...

i was speaking more about hospitalizations. seemed to be what you got into, and were predicting a real disaster. deaths are up in the air, with covid still around and excess deaths and all.

people, like public school kids, families, elderly... have made a lot of sacrifices. some just don't think they've made enough.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... hs-tracker

These TBT games have been unbelievable!

i remember when the u.s. was "the worst first world country in the first world".

peru (2nd world?) really taking it on the chin. read the other day 3? weeks into may india (3rd world?) had 2 million deaths. their count at the time was 200k, now they're over 400. is it possible they blew right by us? 4 million is a lot.

tbt - throw back thursdays?

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:50 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:30 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:24 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:17 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:35 pm i think you mean avoided the low end of those estimates? what a phenomenal job by both administrations!!! just evidence of american ingenuity and what the us of a can do when we're all pulling together.

yes, we avoided the low end of the estimates of what would happen with no distancing, etc.
Not a million US dead..."just" 625k, so far.

Ahhh, but what could have been if we'd actually been 'all pulling together'...

i was speaking more about hospitalizations. seemed to be what you got into, and were predicting a real disaster. deaths are up in the air, with covid still around and excess deaths and all.

people, like public school kids, families, elderly... have made a lot of sacrifices. some just don't think they've made enough.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... hs-tracker

These TBT games have been unbelievable!

i remember when the u.s. was "the worst first world country in the first world".

peru (2nd world?) really taking it on the chin. read the other day 3? weeks into may india (3rd world?) had 2 million deaths. their count at the time was 200k, now they're over 400. is it possible they blew right by us? 4 million is a lot.

tbt - throw back thursdays?

The Basketball Tournament. Former college players in a tournament..winner takes $1MM. First to 74. Like NCAA games….

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:56 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:50 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:30 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:24 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:17 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:35 pm i think you mean avoided the low end of those estimates? what a phenomenal job by both administrations!!! just evidence of american ingenuity and what the us of a can do when we're all pulling together.

yes, we avoided the low end of the estimates of what would happen with no distancing, etc.
Not a million US dead..."just" 625k, so far.

Ahhh, but what could have been if we'd actually been 'all pulling together'...

i was speaking more about hospitalizations. seemed to be what you got into, and were predicting a real disaster. deaths are up in the air, with covid still around and excess deaths and all.

people, like public school kids, families, elderly... have made a lot of sacrifices. some just don't think they've made enough.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... hs-tracker

These TBT games have been unbelievable!

i remember when the u.s. was "the worst first world country in the first world".

peru (2nd world?) really taking it on the chin. read the other day 3? weeks into may india (3rd world?) had 2 million deaths. their count at the time was 200k, now they're over 400. is it possible they blew right by us? 4 million is a lot.

tbt - throw back thursdays?

The Basketball Tournament. Former college players in a tournament..winner takes $1MM. First to 74. Like NCAA games….

ahhh. not up on the acronym. on the suns bucks. don't think i have a broadcast of that, it's a stream?

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:00 pm you should've included that in the blog.

Nope, not my blog though I do have an account in dailykos.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:16 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:56 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:50 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:30 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:24 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:17 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:35 pm i think you mean avoided the low end of those estimates? what a phenomenal job by both administrations!!! just evidence of american ingenuity and what the us of a can do when we're all pulling together.

yes, we avoided the low end of the estimates of what would happen with no distancing, etc.
Not a million US dead..."just" 625k, so far.

Ahhh, but what could have been if we'd actually been 'all pulling together'...

i was speaking more about hospitalizations. seemed to be what you got into, and were predicting a real disaster. deaths are up in the air, with covid still around and excess deaths and all.

people, like public school kids, families, elderly... have made a lot of sacrifices. some just don't think they've made enough.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... hs-tracker

These TBT games have been unbelievable!

i remember when the u.s. was "the worst first world country in the first world".

peru (2nd world?) really taking it on the chin. read the other day 3? weeks into may india (3rd world?) had 2 million deaths. their count at the time was 200k, now they're over 400. is it possible they blew right by us? 4 million is a lot.

tbt - throw back thursdays?

The Basketball Tournament. Former college players in a tournament..winner takes $1MM. First to 74. Like NCAA games….

ahhh. not up on the acronym. on the suns bucks. don't think i have a broadcast of that, it's a stream?

On ESPN….. https://thetournament.com/

People will watch anything ( I am no different)….
Winners stay on. Losers go home.