January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

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a fan wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:18 am
Peter Brown wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:17 pm Have you heard of a small theory called innocent until proven guilty? I assume this means nothing to you now? Republicans bad and such?

In any event, most readers would think your point was ‘Republicans aren’t bothered when their members do unethical stuff’. Clearly they are. I mean, that’s a quote of yours.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: It's like talking to a child.

Pete. Do you know the difference between unethical and illegal? :lol: Of course you don't.

You see, Nixon was NEVER convicted of a crime. It was allegations, and nothing more. Yet Republican leaders went to the White House, and demanded that he resign, or they'd remove him from office? Get it? Nixon was innocent until proven guilty....yet he was removed anyway.

Ya see, we still had noble men and women in the Republican party in those days. Where ethics mattered. They didn't need a freaking guilty verdict to understand that what Nixon was doing wasn't ok, Pete. No court. No indictment of Nixon. He was shamed out of office for breaking the ethical code that all of our leaders are supposed to follow.

Not anymore. And I'm sure you are just DELIGHTED that your POS pals don't follow these codes of conduct anymore.


Siri, please tell me which Democratic Party stalwarts demanded Bob Menendez (D-NJ) resign after being credibly accused of sleeping with underage prostitutes in the DR. Any Fanlax lefties demand anything here?

Nothing?

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Seems to me that lots of people, not just on the right, thought Menendez should resign. I did.

But the underage prostitute thing was actually not particularly credible, and looked to be a GOP hit effort, not the reality. Could have been, but looks like not. I tend to think that people in power make all sorts of awful choices when it comes to sex...so, who knows...

The more credible issue, however, was on corruption. Menendez did get "punished" to some extent for that but not to the point of being forced out. The actual trial ended without a conviction and he was "admonished" by Congress for 'failure to report' etc.

I felt that this sort of thing really should result in resignation.

I doubt that a fan is a Bob Menendez fan either.
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Troll. Talk about false equivalence.

Menendez = Gaetz, not a EFFING COUP.

Cue the “How dare you, they’re children!” response.
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a fan wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:27 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:15 pm dude, afan.....your latest attack "dummy", is someone who never ran for POTUSA and STILL has still a big, big fans. Why don't YOU demand the same from Liz Warren? Or Bennett? you demand that HE (DeSativa), only, needs to acknowledge the, umm.....obvious? geez....THIS...is what you are , umm, discussig ?

you're upset b/c Pete defends him...that's all.

But, what IS the difference between what Hillary is saying about 2016, than what tRump IS saying about 2020?
Simple. I'm not defending Hillary's behavior. Get it?

Pete is defending both Trump's and DeSantis, and telling us that voting is fake. Get it?


Clear enough for you?
The clarity, and it being enough.....a little help on this one, please.

haven't a clue as to what , specifically, you are referencing.

just to be clear, Hillary and Donald are exactly the same, when it comes to "stolen" or "illigimate" election claims, yes? I agree...taats. same crowd is getting richer....but, yet you keep on listening to the Nantucket crowd. yuck......Jeff Epstein wannabees.......
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runrussellrun wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:39 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:27 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:15 pm dude, afan.....your latest attack "dummy", is someone who never ran for POTUSA and STILL has still a big, big fans. Why don't YOU demand the same from Liz Warren? Or Bennett? you demand that HE (DeSativa), only, needs to acknowledge the, umm.....obvious? geez....THIS...is what you are , umm, discussig ?

you're upset b/c Pete defends him...that's all.

But, what IS the difference between what Hillary is saying about 2016, than what tRump IS saying about 2020?
Simple. I'm not defending Hillary's behavior. Get it?

Pete is defending both Trump's and DeSantis, and telling us that voting is fake. Get it?


Clear enough for you?
The clarity, and it being enough.....a little help on this one, please.

haven't a clue as to what , specifically, you are referencing.
Welcome to reading your posts, my man. No clarity is forthcoming.
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a fan wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:29 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:39 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:27 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:15 pm dude, afan.....your latest attack "dummy", is someone who never ran for POTUSA and STILL has still a big, big fans. Why don't YOU demand the same from Liz Warren? Or Bennett? you demand that HE (DeSativa), only, needs to acknowledge the, umm.....obvious? geez....THIS...is what you are , umm, discussig ?

you're upset b/c Pete defends him...that's all.

But, what IS the difference between what Hillary is saying about 2016, than what tRump IS saying about 2020?
Simple. I'm not defending Hillary's behavior. Get it?

Pete is defending both Trump's and DeSantis, and telling us that voting is fake. Get it?


Clear enough for you?
The clarity, and it being enough.....a little help on this one, please.

haven't a clue as to what , specifically, you are referencing.
Welcome to reading your posts, my man. No clarity is forthcoming.
again, I literally have screen shot of my typing those exact words, just upon posting this post.

still waiting for your answer, however.

So, I will answer yours. NO....it IS not clear enough for me. ( why aren't you asking why Desantis is commenting on Hillary's ......idiotic )
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runrussellrun wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:37 pm
a fan wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:29 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:39 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:27 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:15 pm dude, afan.....your latest attack "dummy", is someone who never ran for POTUSA and STILL has still a big, big fans. Why don't YOU demand the same from Liz Warren? Or Bennett? you demand that HE (DeSativa), only, needs to acknowledge the, umm.....obvious? geez....THIS...is what you are , umm, discussig ?

you're upset b/c Pete defends him...that's all.

But, what IS the difference between what Hillary is saying about 2016, than what tRump IS saying about 2020?
Simple. I'm not defending Hillary's behavior. Get it?

Pete is defending both Trump's and DeSantis, and telling us that voting is fake. Get it?


Clear enough for you?
The clarity, and it being enough.....a little help on this one, please.

haven't a clue as to what , specifically, you are referencing.
Welcome to reading your posts, my man. No clarity is forthcoming.
again, I literally have screen shot of my typing those exact words, just upon posting this post.

still waiting for your answer, however.

So, I will answer yours. NO....it IS not clear enough for me. ( why aren't you asking why Desantis is commenting on Hillary's ......idiotic )
Yeah, I don't care if it's not clear enough for you. Do I get to tell you how to post? Because if I do....start using plain, clear English in all your posts, without any references that you pull out of thin air.
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a fan wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:46 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:37 pm
a fan wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:29 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:39 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:27 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:15 pm dude, afan.....your latest attack "dummy", is someone who never ran for POTUSA and STILL has still a big, big fans. Why don't YOU demand the same from Liz Warren? Or Bennett? you demand that HE (DeSativa), only, needs to acknowledge the, umm.....obvious? geez....THIS...is what you are , umm, discussig ?

you're upset b/c Pete defends him...that's all.

But, what IS the difference between what Hillary is saying about 2016, than what tRump IS saying about 2020?
Simple. I'm not defending Hillary's behavior. Get it?

Pete is defending both Trump's and DeSantis, and telling us that voting is fake. Get it?


Clear enough for you?
The clarity, and it being enough.....a little help on this one, please.

haven't a clue as to what , specifically, you are referencing.
Welcome to reading your posts, my man. No clarity is forthcoming.
again, I literally have screen shot of my typing those exact words, just upon posting this post.

still waiting for your answer, however.

So, I will answer yours. NO....it IS not clear enough for me. ( why aren't you asking why Desantis is commenting on Hillary's ......idiotic )
Yeah, I don't care if it's not clear enough for you. Do I get to tell you how to post? Because if I do....start using plain, clear English in all your posts, without any references that you pull out of thin air.
Why ask, in the first place?

mirror in the bathroom......used to think it was about cocaine......

dude.....still waiting for your social college screeds directed at the big guns, instead of lowly Petes Florida thing.....but you do you. (never the retort to the PC :lol: :lol:
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Quit hijacking the thread, please...

JOHN EASTMAN’S BLANK DOCUMENTS

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runrussellrun wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:51 pm
dude.....still waiting for your social college screeds directed at the big guns, instead of lowly Petes Florida thing.....but you do you. (never the retort to the PC :lol: :lol:
So you don't get that the only reason that I mock Pete's U of Florida is that Pete swears he hates socialism? You think that I'm REALLY against State Universities?
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dislaxxic wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:55 pm Quit hijacking the thread, please...

JOHN EASTMAN’S BLANK DOCUMENTS

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LISA MONACO VOWS, AGAIN, TO HOLD ALL JANUARY 6 PERPETRATORS, AT ANY LEVEL, ACCOUNTABLE

Deputy US Attorney General:

"So, look, as we have described, the January 6 investigation is among the most wide-ranging, the most complex that this department has ever undertaken. It reaches nearly every US Attorney’s Office, nearly every FBI field office, we’ve charged more than 750 cases and we’ve charged unprecedented conspiracies and the use of rare tools like the seditious conspiracy statute. Regardless of whatever resources we seek, or get, let’s be very, very clear, we are going to continue to do those cases, we are going to hold those perpetrators accountable, no matter where the facts lead us, as the Attorney General has said, no matter what level.

We will do those cases.

But, again, let’s be clear: Doing those cases draws on resources from across the US Attorneys offices, those same resources that are needed to fight violent crime. Those same resources that are needed to investigate corporate crime across the country. Those same resources that are going to help us enforce our civil rights laws.

So this budget, the FY 23 budget would provide as I noted an unprecedented level of funding to our law enforcement components, to US attorneys offices, to really recognize the priority that we’re placing both on the January 6 investigations and all the US Attorneys, all the priorities that the US Attorneys offices have to face in addition."


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dislaxxic wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:29 am LISA MONACO VOWS, AGAIN, TO HOLD ALL JANUARY 6 PERPETRATORS, AT ANY LEVEL, ACCOUNTABLE

Deputy US Attorney general:

"So, look, as we have described, the January 6 investigation is among the most wide-ranging, the most complex that this department has ever undertaken. It reaches nearly every US Attorney’s Office, nearly every FBI field office, we’ve charged more than 750 cases and we’ve charged unprecedented conspiracies and the use of rare tools like the seditious conspiracy statute. Regardless of whatever resources we seek, or get, let’s be very, very clear, we are going to continue to do those cases, we are going to hold those perpetrators accountable, no matter where the facts lead us, as the Attorney General has said, no matter what level.

We will do those cases.

But, again, let’s be clear: Doing those cases draws on resources from across the US Attorneys offices, those same resources that are needed to fight violent crime. Those same resources that are needed to investigate corporate crime across the country. Those same resources that are going to help us enforce our civil rights laws.

So this budget, the FY 23 budget would provide as I noted an unprecedented level of funding to our law enforcement components, to US attorneys offices, to really recognize the priority that we’re placing both on the January 6 investigations and all the US Attorneys, all the priorities that the US Attorneys offices have to face in addition."


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The Clearest Evidence Yet of Donald Trump’s Criminal Intent on Jan. 6

Orange Scumbag needs to be locked up. He's a cancer on our nation.

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dislaxxic wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 12:52 pm The Clearest Evidence Yet of Donald Trump’s Criminal Intent on Jan. 6

Orange Scumbag needs to be locked up. He's a cancer on our nation.

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That horse will be dead and decomposing Dis and you will still be perched on top of the carcass swinging away with your Louisville Slugger... Let the prosecution take over the case. Your arms are going to cramp up eventually. The hatred runs deep through your veins young Jedi. Let the Force take over.
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Even YOU must understand that this cartoonish, Page 6 ersatz "billionaire playboy" from the NYC real estate elite, is the DE FACTO LEADER of the Republic Party this very day. The leader, in the clubhouse, to be the 2024 GOP nominee for president. That truth has penetrated your jaded political nihilist cranium, yes? You sound like you want to treat it like tired old yesterday's news.

You saw Russian state tv today with the pundit on air saying "We need to do what we can to put our agent Trump back in power in the US", right?

That horse ain't NEAR dead enough yet, chief...

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dislaxxic wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 6:21 pm Even YOU must understand that this cartoonish, Page 6 ersatz "billionaire playboy" from the NYC real estate elite, is the DE FACTO LEADER of the Republic Party this very day. The leader, in the clubhouse, to be the 2024 GOP nominee for president. That truth has penetrated your jaded political nihilist cranium, yes? You sound like you want to treat it like tired old yesterday's news.

You saw Russian state tv today with the pundit on air saying "We need to do what we can to put our agent Trump back in power in the US", right?

That horse ain't NEAR dead enough yet, chief...

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Then prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law. You and I both understand the dilemma prosecutors face. There is what they know, what they think they know and what they can prove. The case against Trump needs to be airtight. At this point in time even a half competent defense attorney would create all kinds of reasonable doubt. Trump certainly will be represented by a small army of attorneys doing their best to shred the governments case. The feds have a very tall mountain to climb. The fed prosecutors will have to explain their case to 12 jurors. They only get one chance to get it right.
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Meanwhile....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... vestigate/

"“A coup in search of a legal theory.”

That was the sober, and apt, assessment made this week of former president Donald Trump’s attempt to overturn the 2020 election — not by a partisan or pundit, but in an opinion by a federal judge. And although that ruling, by U.S. District Judge David O. Carter, did not decide a criminal case, it ought to presage one.

We don’t know whether the Justice Department has been considering criminal charges against Trump, or whether it will. We do know that Attorney General Merrick Garland, in a speech commemorating the one-year anniversary of the Capitol insurrection, vowed that the Justice Department was “committed to holding all Jan. 6th perpetrators, at any level, accountable under law — whether they were present that day or were otherwise criminally responsible for the assault on our democracy.”

Carter’s conclusion makes clear that, for the attorney general’s commitment to be met, the Justice Department’s criminal investigation of Jan. 6 must focus closely on Trump.

The court’s ruling came in a lawsuit that one of Trump’s lawyers, John Eastman, brought against the select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol. Eastman served as the legal architect of Trump’s effort to pressure then-Vice President Mike Pence to refuse to count numerous states’ electoral votes on Jan. 6. Eastman asserted his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination 146 times at his deposition before the select committee. His lawsuit argued that some of his emails should be kept from the committee because they were shielded by either attorney-client privilege or “work product” privilege, which protects confidential documents prepared for litigation.

The opinion by Carter, a former prosecutor nominated to the bench by President Bill Clinton, makes clear Eastman has good reason to worry about criminal consequences. The attorney-client and work-product privileges must give way if they involve communications that further the commission of a fraud or crime. And Carter found that at least one of the emails did just that.

Carter’s decision was at once pedestrian and remarkable. Pedestrian, because all the 44-page opinion did was methodically recite the law and apply it to the facts. Remarkable, because of where its analysis inexorably led: that a sitting president of the United States, with the help of his lawyer, “more likely than not” violated two federal criminal laws in a desperate effort to keep himself illegally in power.

One of those statutes, 18 U.S.C. § 1512(c), says you can’t “obstruct” or “impede” “any official proceeding,” or even attempt to do so, if you act “corruptly.” The other, 18 U.S.C. § 371, prohibits people from conspiring “to defraud the United States … in any manner or for any purpose.”

These laws clearly cover the congressional counting of electoral votes. The obstruction statute defines “official proceedings” to include “a proceeding before Congress.” Carter became the 11th federal judge in the past four months to hold that the term encompasses the joint session held last Jan. 6.

The law punishing conspiracies to defraud sweeps even more broadly. As Chief Justice William Howard Taft explained for a unanimous Supreme Court a century ago, the language is “broad enough” to cover not only financial frauds, but also “any conspiracy for the purpose of impairing, obstructing, or defeating the lawful function of any department of government.”

For Eastman and Trump, the question boils down to state of mind: whether they acted “corruptly” under the obstruction law, or with the requisite “deceit” or dishonesty under the conspiracy law. And that’s where Carter’s recitation of the facts comes in. Both men, he found, “likely knew” their allegations of electoral fraud were “baseless, and therefore that the entire plan” to stop or delay the electoral-vote count "was unlawful.”

Trump was told, again and again, by “numerous credible sources,” that “there was no evidence of election fraud,” Carter noted. The Department of Homeland Security’s cybersecurity agency said so. An internal Trump campaign memo said so. Trump’s own attorney general, William P. Barr, told Trump as well. So did other Justice Department officials. The vice president told Trump there was no basis not to count the electoral votes. Georgia’s secretary of state said there was no fraud in his state (to which Trump notoriously responded, look, just find one more vote than I need). And over 60 lawsuits on Trump’s behalf went down in flames.

Whether all that, along with other evidence, would suffice to establish criminal intent beyond a reasonable doubt — the burden of proof needed for a criminal conviction — can be left for another day. The point for now is that Carter’s conclusion, that the evidence uncovered so far is more than sufficient to overcome the claimed privileges — is also more than enough to justify a thorough federal criminal investigation of Trump himself, if one isn’t underway already.

A prosecution would involve a novel application of both statutes. But that’s only because never before have we had anyone, let alone a president, try to corruptly obstruct a proceeding so important, or to dishonestly defeat a governmental function so fundamental, as the counting of electoral votes.

As Carter put it, if “Eastman and President Trump’s plan had worked, it would have permanently ended the peaceful transition of power” under the Constitution — by any reckoning, they attempted a coup.

If the law prohibits anything, it ought to prohibit that. And if anything seems like a worthy — indeed, unavoidable — subject for investigation, Trump’s conduct is it."
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 7:02 am Meanwhile....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... vestigate/

"“A coup in search of a legal theory.”

That was the sober, and apt, assessment made this week of former president Donald Trump’s attempt to overturn the 2020 election — not by a partisan or pundit, but in an opinion by a federal judge. And although that ruling, by U.S. District Judge David O. Carter, did not decide a criminal case, it ought to presage one.

We don’t know whether the Justice Department has been considering criminal charges against Trump, or whether it will. We do know that Attorney General Merrick Garland, in a speech commemorating the one-year anniversary of the Capitol insurrection, vowed that the Justice Department was “committed to holding all Jan. 6th perpetrators, at any level, accountable under law — whether they were present that day or were otherwise criminally responsible for the assault on our democracy.”

Carter’s conclusion makes clear that, for the attorney general’s commitment to be met, the Justice Department’s criminal investigation of Jan. 6 must focus closely on Trump.

The court’s ruling came in a lawsuit that one of Trump’s lawyers, John Eastman, brought against the select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol. Eastman served as the legal architect of Trump’s effort to pressure then-Vice President Mike Pence to refuse to count numerous states’ electoral votes on Jan. 6. Eastman asserted his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination 146 times at his deposition before the select committee. His lawsuit argued that some of his emails should be kept from the committee because they were shielded by either attorney-client privilege or “work product” privilege, which protects confidential documents prepared for litigation.

The opinion by Carter, a former prosecutor nominated to the bench by President Bill Clinton, makes clear Eastman has good reason to worry about criminal consequences. The attorney-client and work-product privileges must give way if they involve communications that further the commission of a fraud or crime. And Carter found that at least one of the emails did just that.

Carter’s decision was at once pedestrian and remarkable. Pedestrian, because all the 44-page opinion did was methodically recite the law and apply it to the facts. Remarkable, because of where its analysis inexorably led: that a sitting president of the United States, with the help of his lawyer, “more likely than not” violated two federal criminal laws in a desperate effort to keep himself illegally in power.

One of those statutes, 18 U.S.C. § 1512(c), says you can’t “obstruct” or “impede” “any official proceeding,” or even attempt to do so, if you act “corruptly.” The other, 18 U.S.C. § 371, prohibits people from conspiring “to defraud the United States … in any manner or for any purpose.”

These laws clearly cover the congressional counting of electoral votes. The obstruction statute defines “official proceedings” to include “a proceeding before Congress.” Carter became the 11th federal judge in the past four months to hold that the term encompasses the joint session held last Jan. 6.

The law punishing conspiracies to defraud sweeps even more broadly. As Chief Justice William Howard Taft explained for a unanimous Supreme Court a century ago, the language is “broad enough” to cover not only financial frauds, but also “any conspiracy for the purpose of impairing, obstructing, or defeating the lawful function of any department of government.”

For Eastman and Trump, the question boils down to state of mind: whether they acted “corruptly” under the obstruction law, or with the requisite “deceit” or dishonesty under the conspiracy law. And that’s where Carter’s recitation of the facts comes in. Both men, he found, “likely knew” their allegations of electoral fraud were “baseless, and therefore that the entire plan” to stop or delay the electoral-vote count "was unlawful.”

Trump was told, again and again, by “numerous credible sources,” that “there was no evidence of election fraud,” Carter noted. The Department of Homeland Security’s cybersecurity agency said so. An internal Trump campaign memo said so. Trump’s own attorney general, William P. Barr, told Trump as well. So did other Justice Department officials. The vice president told Trump there was no basis not to count the electoral votes. Georgia’s secretary of state said there was no fraud in his state (to which Trump notoriously responded, look, just find one more vote than I need). And over 60 lawsuits on Trump’s behalf went down in flames.

Whether all that, along with other evidence, would suffice to establish criminal intent beyond a reasonable doubt — the burden of proof needed for a criminal conviction — can be left for another day. The point for now is that Carter’s conclusion, that the evidence uncovered so far is more than sufficient to overcome the claimed privileges — is also more than enough to justify a thorough federal criminal investigation of Trump himself, if one isn’t underway already.

A prosecution would involve a novel application of both statutes. But that’s only because never before have we had anyone, let alone a president, try to corruptly obstruct a proceeding so important, or to dishonestly defeat a governmental function so fundamental, as the counting of electoral votes.

As Carter put it, if “Eastman and President Trump’s plan had worked, it would have permanently ended the peaceful transition of power” under the Constitution — by any reckoning, they attempted a coup.

If the law prohibits anything, it ought to prohibit that. And if anything seems like a worthy — indeed, unavoidable — subject for investigation, Trump’s conduct is it."
The federal prosecutors think they have a very strong case. The problem is it is a very complex case that most juries will scratch their heads over trying to figure out. I'm guessing reasonable doubt still comes in to play here. Your a distinguished member of the bar counselor. Would you rather be the prosecutor or the defense??? I'm guessing that the defense has the advantage here. What say you???
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cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 6:25 amThen prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law.
Brilliant bit of analysis there Baloney Boy. Where ya been this past 5 years? Huh? Whaddaya think we been TALKIN' about all this time?

Careful with that kind of ask...people might get the idea you're a closet Far Left Progressive or somethin' :lol: :lol: :lol:

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