Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:16 pm
You didn't answer my question about the plane.
There is something wrong with you, and I am going to leave it at that.Cooter wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:16 pmThat is pretty funny.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:07 pmIf you’re still downplaying the seriousness of this crisis, then you need to stop.Cooter wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:57 pmThat sounds like fuzzy math.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:23 amwith 178 Recovered and 349 deaths.Cooter wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:14 am The number of serious and critical cases has made a large jump up to 708 today.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
26.9k total cases (detected), 25.6K active, "mild" as in not yet serious.
Note, many of those "mild" do need hospitalization.
Roughly 16% of all cases do need hospitalization, though it may be half that rate if we include the likely undetected cases.
NYC's hospitals will look like Italy in 10 days.
What if the undetected cases were 10 times the detected cases, would it just be half that?
DocBarrister
Fake news, youth, aint no records that go counter clockwise.
Indeed, we are discussing dying Americans, and all you want to do is be a backseat driver. I say it again.....using your logic, e-v-e-r-y leader in the world has the same darned problem.....and you sit back and criticize only one man.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:14 pmWe’re discussing dying Americans and you post that gif?youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:08 pmDocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:03 pm The United States is now at over 32,000 confirmed cases and over 400 deaths.
We are on a trajectory to surpass China in both confirmed cases and deaths.
There really is no excuse for that. The Trump administration’s gross negligence is going to cost the United States hundreds of thousands of casualties that could have been avoided, including potentially thousands of additional deaths that may have been prevented.
And Trump is writing Kim Jong Un to offer help?!?
Look at Italy. That may be us in a few weeks on a much larger scale unless the Trump administration gets its act together.
DocBarrister
DocBarrister
The docs are (and should) be furiously throwing existing drugs at the wall to see if anything sticks. Trying off-label prescriptions and warp speed trials.It apparently is okay for the people of New York as a trial, to begin on Tuesday....according to Cuomo. Is this quackery as well Doc?
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:34 pmAndersen wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:08 pm "This is what happens when a political party spends two decades convincing a huge swath of its base that competent people of superior education, intellect & experience are the enemy and should be vilified as the "elite." We should all want people smarter than us to be in charge."
I've never understood this line of thinking, that one is 'expert' or not, and that we should only listen to 'experts'. Experts are often less expert than advertised.
I like to think I can always be wrong, even about the things I think I know. I ask questions all the time, of everyone, to make sure we're doing it 'right'. When I'm corrected by others and I learn my errors, nothing feels better in the moment. Sometimes a tad embarrassing, but in the end, a great feeling.
DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:11 pmReal lives are at stake. It’s not a matter of assigning blame. It’s a matter of placing responsibility.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:05 pmDocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:03 pm The United States is now at over 32,000 confirmed cases and over 400 deaths.
We are on a trajectory to surpass China in both confirmed cases and deaths.
There really is no excuse for that. The Trump administration’s gross negligence is going to cost the United States hundreds of thousands of casualties that could have been avoided, including potentially thousands of additional deaths that may have been prevented.
And Trump is writing Kim Jong Un to offer help?!?
Look at Italy. That may be us in a few weeks on a much larger scale unless the Trump administration gets its act together.
DocBarrister
Oh look; A Democrat assigning blame. I swear I heard Bill de Blasio saying something similar this morning. Good thing Pelosi won’t hijack the stimulus bill.
Trump needs to do more, much more. He is failing to do so. People are dying, and many more will die, because of the mistakes he is continuing to make. What about that do you not understand?
DocBarrister
Last time I checked, there is only one President of the United States.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:24 pmIndeed, we are discussing dying Americans, and all you want to do is be a backseat driver. I say it again.....using your logic, e-v-e-r-y leader in the world has the same darned problem.....and you sit back and criticize only one man.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:14 pmWe’re discussing dying Americans and you post that gif?youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:08 pmDocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:03 pm The United States is now at over 32,000 confirmed cases and over 400 deaths.
We are on a trajectory to surpass China in both confirmed cases and deaths.
There really is no excuse for that. The Trump administration’s gross negligence is going to cost the United States hundreds of thousands of casualties that could have been avoided, including potentially thousands of additional deaths that may have been prevented.
And Trump is writing Kim Jong Un to offer help?!?
Look at Italy. That may be us in a few weeks on a much larger scale unless the Trump administration gets its act together.
DocBarrister
DocBarrister
ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:29 pmPeter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:34 pmAndersen wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:08 pm "This is what happens when a political party spends two decades convincing a huge swath of its base that competent people of superior education, intellect & experience are the enemy and should be vilified as the "elite." We should all want people smarter than us to be in charge."
I've never understood this line of thinking, that one is 'expert' or not, and that we should only listen to 'experts'. Experts are often less expert than advertised.
I like to think I can always be wrong, even about the things I think I know. I ask questions all the time, of everyone, to make sure we're doing it 'right'. When I'm corrected by others and I learn my errors, nothing feels better in the moment. Sometimes a tad embarrassing, but in the end, a great feeling.
im over the whole smart thing. how about someone honest, or not conflicted.
DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:35 pmLast time I checked, there is only one President of the United States.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:24 pmIndeed, we are discussing dying Americans, and all you want to do is be a backseat driver. I say it again.....using your logic, e-v-e-r-y leader in the world has the same darned problem.....and you sit back and criticize only one man.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:14 pmWe’re discussing dying Americans and you post that gif?youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:08 pmDocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:03 pm The United States is now at over 32,000 confirmed cases and over 400 deaths.
We are on a trajectory to surpass China in both confirmed cases and deaths.
There really is no excuse for that. The Trump administration’s gross negligence is going to cost the United States hundreds of thousands of casualties that could have been avoided, including potentially thousands of additional deaths that may have been prevented.
And Trump is writing Kim Jong Un to offer help?!?
Look at Italy. That may be us in a few weeks on a much larger scale unless the Trump administration gets its act together.
DocBarrister
DocBarrister
Governors of both parties are asking the federal government to do more. Trump needs to do more. That’s not a Democratic or Republican plea, it’s an American one.
DocBarrister
Every leader has the same PROBLEM, but not every leader has the same SOLUTIONS.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:24 pm using your logic, e-v-e-r-y leader in the world has the same darned problem.....and you sit back and criticize only one man.
Generally true (assuming right means a bit out the curve not near the middle right of it) but not always. It still bugs me like crazy that when folks on a CNBC interview pointed out or questioned flaws in his healthcare plan when ACA was pushed through that he refused to be calm, rational and instead was shrill, defensive and shrieking “where’s your model, where’s your model” to entirely legitimate questions. Because of that I distrust much of what he says now as I know models reflect more platonic ideal and have controls in place and often get busted so that was a bs answer when he agreed to come on and discuss the topic and I surely saw a rationale interview being given at the time.CU77 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:44 pmThe big difference between the right and the left is whether the trust one places in any particular opinion should be weighted by the expertise of the person offering the opinion.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:31 pmbtw, EVERYONE is entitled to their opinions, about anything; one need not follow every opinion, but hearing other opinions makes your own that much more informed
The right places no extra weight on expertise. They trust some guy on medium just as much (or more) as the worldwide medical research community.
PB, you are in this group. You want the medical experts to stop and watch some video by some non-expert.
The left, in contrast, is usually (not always) far more trusting of experts than non-experts.
PB, you're business is aviation, correct? Would you trust some guy on medium telling you how to fix a broken airplane? Would you fly in that plane after he fixed it?
Look on this thread. I already opined that Gov. Cuomo acted too late in shutting down NYC. Mayor de Blasio pleaded with him to shut down the city, and Cuomo resisted doing so for several precious days.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:33 pmDocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:11 pmReal lives are at stake. It’s not a matter of assigning blame. It’s a matter of placing responsibility.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:05 pmDocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:03 pm The United States is now at over 32,000 confirmed cases and over 400 deaths.
We are on a trajectory to surpass China in both confirmed cases and deaths.
There really is no excuse for that. The Trump administration’s gross negligence is going to cost the United States hundreds of thousands of casualties that could have been avoided, including potentially thousands of additional deaths that may have been prevented.
And Trump is writing Kim Jong Un to offer help?!?
Look at Italy. That may be us in a few weeks on a much larger scale unless the Trump administration gets its act together.
DocBarrister
Oh look; A Democrat assigning blame. I swear I heard Bill de Blasio saying something similar this morning. Good thing Pelosi won’t hijack the stimulus bill.
Trump needs to do more, much more. He is failing to do so. People are dying, and many more will die, because of the mistakes he is continuing to make. What about that do you not understand?
DocBarrister
I’d ask if you’ve ever blamed Jay Inslee in the State of Washington or Andrew Cuomo of New York why their states have performed so badly in this regard, costing many lives, but I’m fairly confident your aim is strictly on Trump.
I’m also sure not one right-leaning poster here has blamed either Inslee or Cuomo. Indeed, many on the Right have praised them.
But TDS. You do you, Doc.
Actually, that point of mine has been proven by more than a few folks here on this forum, needless to mention the man in the Oval Office.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:36 pmDocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:35 pmLast time I checked, there is only one President of the United States.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:24 pmIndeed, we are discussing dying Americans, and all you want to do is be a backseat driver. I say it again.....using your logic, e-v-e-r-y leader in the world has the same darned problem.....and you sit back and criticize only one man.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:14 pmWe’re discussing dying Americans and you post that gif?youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:08 pmDocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:03 pm The United States is now at over 32,000 confirmed cases and over 400 deaths.
We are on a trajectory to surpass China in both confirmed cases and deaths.
There really is no excuse for that. The Trump administration’s gross negligence is going to cost the United States hundreds of thousands of casualties that could have been avoided, including potentially thousands of additional deaths that may have been prevented.
And Trump is writing Kim Jong Un to offer help?!?
Look at Italy. That may be us in a few weeks on a much larger scale unless the Trump administration gets its act together.
DocBarrister
DocBarrister
Governors of both parties are asking the federal government to do more. Trump needs to do more. That’s not a Democratic or Republican plea, it’s an American one.
DocBarrister
Your credibility has been shot with your endless ‘Republicans are racist POS’s’.
Well said, all boiled down.......#TeamWorkMakesTheDreamWorkPeter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:48 pm
Maintenance/Engineering: every aspect of work performed in this regard is signed off multiple times by line managers or senior engineers. This redundant QC process is a direct result of not trusting one person to be THE expert. Everything is team-oriented and team-produced.
Pilots: the best pilot can no longer compete with auto-pilot. And that capability spread grows wider every day. Reason? Because an auto pilot system can simultaneously and with no failure rate calculate hundreds of variable inputs. Humans can not. (Cirrus’ Vision Jet now has a Safe Return button that anyone reading this can push and the plane will land itself safely every time, no pilot necessary).
Aviation is probably the most glaring industry example of why ‘expertise’ is easily debunked. Not one person can be ‘expert’ at such a complex system. The system is the expert.
Auto pilot is great until a pitot tube freezes up and the auto pilot disengages at an inopportune time because it can’t handle the conflicting data.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:48 pm
Maintenance/Engineering: every aspect of work performed in this regard is signed off multiple times by line managers or senior engineers. This redundant QC process is a direct result of not trusting one person to be THE expert. Everything is team-oriented and team-produced.
Pilots: the best pilot can no longer compete with auto-pilot. And that capability spread grows wider every day. Reason? Because an auto pilot system can simultaneously and with no failure rate calculate hundreds of variable inputs. Humans can not. (Cirrus’ Vision Jet now has a Safe Return Burton that anyone reading this can push and the plane will land itself safely every time, no pilot necessary).
Aviation is probably the most glaring industry example of why ‘expertise’ is easily debunked. Not one person can be ‘expert’ at such a complex system. The system is the expert.