Johns Hopkins 2023

[OCanada]

Quint is one of the better analysts out there when it comes to in-game tactics and strategy but sometimes when it comes to the macro stuff it feels like he fixes on a particular talking point or idea and has to come up with a particular reasoning to support it and picks whatever is nearest to his tongue. That's what "Hopkins admin deemphasizes lacrosse" is. He thinks the Big Ten move wasn't good and won't really move off it, so because of this the administration has some deemphasized lacrosse in the form of not chartering for flights or some other very minute thing that probably doesn't have an actual sizable impact on winning on game day

Maybe a better take is the administration gives the program the same level of support, more or less, as other schools given the nature of the university but less than previous president have given.

[HopFan16]

my biggest beef is that they've been showing the same heinous overcast shots of alumni memorial residence 1 with those iron gates they had to build because of all the violence against students and maybe gilman for years. It's a gorgeous campus, find some live shots that don't make it look like a november day at a prison.

They show gorgeous shots of Keyser and Wyman Quads all the time. No clue what you're talking about

Stevens covers college sports exhaustively I doubt he has time to read this forum.

Genuine question - if you had to prepare to discuss the outlook for 2023 JHU lacrosse season and couldn't just call up coaches/alums/players and had to rely on a couple of quick google searches for information, where would you go and what would you find? As sad as it may be, there just isn't much content out there. on the topic (IL, US Lacrosse, Quint's new gig). So maybe the fact that he covers college sports exhaustively means that this is the only place to go for a quick primer without actually having to spend the time to talk to a bunch of people? If there's other content out there that I'm not aware of please let me know, but this stupid board is really all we got.

Some of the lax media people like to make fun of FanLax/LaxPower but the truth is they all read it. And they glean info from here more often than they'd ever admit. The lacrosse community is tiny and for better or worse this place is a significant part of it. If someone like Quint says "there's been talk" of X, Y, or Z re: a program/conference on a broadcast or in a column, there's a good chance that's just a reference to what people here are talking about.

[jhu06]

Stevens covers college sports exhaustively I doubt he has time to read this forum.

Genuine question - if you had to prepare to discuss the outlook for 2023 JHU lacrosse season and couldn't just call up coaches/alums/players and had to rely on a couple of quick google searches for information, where would you go and what would you find? As sad as it may be, there just isn't much content out there. on the topic (IL, US Lacrosse, Quint's new gig). So maybe the fact that he covers college sports exhaustively means that this is the only place to go for a quick primer without actually having to spend the time to talk to a bunch of people? If there's other content out there that I'm not aware of please let me know, but this stupid board is really all we got.

51s writeups here have been better than anything else out there for years. For a sport seen by the general public as snooty and elitist the depth and quality of the media coverage has never really reflected that. RF did a great job as well w/his writeups and of course HOB w/his fall videos.

In fairness to PM and the long trail of goalies and ssdms who've been shredded by people like me those problems w/gbs and save percentage were products of a number of factors some of which were out of their control like early recruiting and putting 5'11 attackmen at midfield. The hope is that in year 3 of this regime a new approach to some of those processes and new personnel will help improve those areas.

[DocBarrister]

This Saturday, the college lacrosse season officially begins with Johns Hopkins taking on Jacksonville. Go Blue Jays!

To win, to win,
You'd like like Hell to win.
But you'll have to wait,
'Til the moon turns green,
And the Brass Band plays "God Shave the Dean!"
Hi-lo, Hi-lee,
It's plain as A-B-C,
If anyone's going to win today,
It's we, we, we!

https://m.soundcloud.com/johns-hopkins- ... ns-hopkins

To win!!!

DocBarrister

[Sagittarius A*]

Quint is one of the better analysts out there when it comes to in-game tactics and strategy but sometimes when it comes to the macro stuff it feels like he fixes on a particular talking point or idea and has to come up with a particular reasoning to support it and picks whatever is nearest to his tongue. That's what "Hopkins admin deemphasizes lacrosse" is. He thinks the Big Ten move wasn't good and won't really move off it, so because of this the administration has some deemphasized lacrosse in the form of not chartering for flights or some other very minute thing that probably doesn't have an actual sizable impact on winning on game day

Maybe a better take is the administration gives the program the same level of support, more or less, as other schools given the nature of the university but less than previous president have given.

Jays aren't ranked in the top 20 in either the Media or Coaches poll preseason.
In what Universe has the program not been historically de-emphasized?

[jrn19]

I realize you’re recognized as like the board troll/#1 example of cognitive dissonance; but for example, Notre Dame and Duke both missed the NCAA Tournament last year. Have Notre Dame and Duke both also deemphasized lacrosse at those two schools?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Quint is one of the better analysts out there when it comes to in-game tactics and strategy but sometimes when it comes to the macro stuff it feels like he fixes on a particular talking point or idea and has to come up with a particular reasoning to support it and picks whatever is nearest to his tongue. That's what "Hopkins admin deemphasizes lacrosse" is. He thinks the Big Ten move wasn't good and won't really move off it, so because of this the administration has some deemphasized lacrosse in the form of not chartering for flights or some other very minute thing that probably doesn't have an actual sizable impact on winning on game day

Maybe a better take is the administration gives the program the same level of support, more or less, as other schools given the nature of the university but less than previous president have given.

Jays aren't ranked in the top 20 in either the Media or Coaches poll preseason.
In what Universe has the program not been historically de-emphasized?

Ours.

[Sagittarius A*]

I realize you’re recognized as like the board troll/#1 example of cognitive dissonance; but for example, Notre Dame and Duke both missed the NCAA Tournament last year. Have Notre Dame and Duke both also deemphasized lacrosse at those two schools?

Ahhhh, let's see, three sub .500 seasons in a row, no preseason All America's, team unranked....
compared to National Champions and multiple first team AA's; but even 5 years ago, the team was in playoff contention every year.
No longer.
Reality is a hard taskmaster.

[wgdsr]

I realize you’re recognized as like the board troll/#1 example of cognitive dissonance; but for example, Notre Dame and Duke both missed the NCAA Tournament last year. Have Notre Dame and Duke both also deemphasized lacrosse at those two schools?

Ahhhh, let's see, three sub .500 seasons in a row, no preseason All America's, team unranked....
compared to National Champions and multiple first team AA's; but even 5 years ago, the team was in playoff contention every year.
No longer.
Reality is a hard taskmaster.

i think the issue is you misspelled outcompeted.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I realize you’re recognized as like the board troll/#1 example of cognitive dissonance; but for example, Notre Dame and Duke both missed the NCAA Tournament last year. Have Notre Dame and Duke both also deemphasized lacrosse at those two schools?

Ahhhh, let's see, three sub .500 seasons in a row, no preseason All America's, team unranked....
compared to National Champions and multiple first team AA's; but even 5 years ago, the team was in playoff contention every year.
No longer.
Reality is a hard taskmaster.

i think the issue is you misspelled outcompeted.

[HopFan16]

I realize you’re recognized as like the board troll/#1 example of cognitive dissonance; but for example, Notre Dame and Duke both missed the NCAA Tournament last year. Have Notre Dame and Duke both also deemphasized lacrosse at those two schools?

Ahhhh, let's see, three sub .500 seasons in a row, no preseason All America's, team unranked....
compared to National Champions and multiple first team AA's; but even 5 years ago, the team was in playoff contention every year.
No longer.
Reality is a hard taskmaster.

You're kind of a dumb guy, you know that?

The discussion was about whether or not the JHU administration has "de-emphasized" the program, not whether or not the program has lost relevance nationally. The latter is obviously true (compared with the program historically), but the former is still apparently up for debate, which is why it was asked and answered by Stevens on the podcast. You completely missed the point. No one has ever missed a point more than you just missed this one. You're the Bill Buckner of this forum. Just right through your legs.

[flalax22]

Quint is one of the better analysts out there when it comes to in-game tactics and strategy but sometimes when it comes to the macro stuff it feels like he fixes on a particular talking point or idea and has to come up with a particular reasoning to support it and picks whatever is nearest to his tongue. That's what "Hopkins admin deemphasizes lacrosse" is. He thinks the Big Ten move wasn't good and won't really move off it, so because of this the administration has some deemphasized lacrosse in the form of not chartering for flights or some other very minute thing that probably doesn't have an actual sizable impact on winning on game day

Maybe a better take is the administration gives the program the same level of support, more or less, as other schools given the nature of the university but less than previous president have given.

Jays aren't ranked in the top 20 in either the Media or Coaches poll preseason.

The Jays are going to absolutely blow out Jacksonville. They will be in the top 20 next week. Take it to the bank.

[MDlaxfan76]

I realize you’re recognized as like the board troll/#1 example of cognitive dissonance; but for example, Notre Dame and Duke both missed the NCAA Tournament last year. Have Notre Dame and Duke both also deemphasized lacrosse at those two schools?

Ahhhh, let's see, three sub .500 seasons in a row, no preseason All America's, team unranked....
compared to National Champions and multiple first team AA's; but even 5 years ago, the team was in playoff contention every year.
No longer.
Reality is a hard taskmaster.

You're kind of a dumb guy, you know that?

The discussion was about whether or not the JHU administration has "de-emphasized" the program, not whether or not the program has lost relevance nationally. The latter is obviously true (compared with the program historically), but the former is still apparently up for debate, which is why it was asked and answered by Stevens on the podcast. You completely missed the point. No one has ever missed a point more than you just missed this one. You're the Bill Buckner of this forum. Just right through your legs.

I'd say "lost a measure of relevance"...the program is still "relevant". But there's a significant gap between where the program is now and what would feel like comparable 'relevance' to a decade ago much less 5 decades ago. A lot of work to be done...

[Sagittarius A*]

I'd say "lost a measure of relevance"...the program is still "relevant". But there's a significant gap between where the program is now and what would feel like comparable 'relevance' to a decade ago much less 5 decades ago. A lot of work to be done...

Absolutely.

[HopFan16]

I realize you’re recognized as like the board troll/#1 example of cognitive dissonance; but for example, Notre Dame and Duke both missed the NCAA Tournament last year. Have Notre Dame and Duke both also deemphasized lacrosse at those two schools?

Ahhhh, let's see, three sub .500 seasons in a row, no preseason All America's, team unranked....
compared to National Champions and multiple first team AA's; but even 5 years ago, the team was in playoff contention every year.
No longer.
Reality is a hard taskmaster.

You're kind of a dumb guy, you know that?

The discussion was about whether or not the JHU administration has "de-emphasized" the program, not whether or not the program has lost relevance nationally. The latter is obviously true (compared with the program historically), but the former is still apparently up for debate, which is why it was asked and answered by Stevens on the podcast. You completely missed the point. No one has ever missed a point more than you just missed this one. You're the Bill Buckner of this forum. Just right through your legs.

I'd say "lost a measure of relevance"...the program is still "relevant". But there's a significant gap between where the program is now and what would feel like comparable 'relevance' to a decade ago much less 5 decades ago. A lot of work to be done...

Your pedantry knows no bounds

[BlueJaySince1947]

Quint is one of the better analysts out there when it comes to in-game tactics and strategy but sometimes when it comes to the macro stuff it feels like he fixes on a particular talking point or idea and has to come up with a particular reasoning to support it and picks whatever is nearest to his tongue. That's what "Hopkins admin deemphasizes lacrosse" is. He thinks the Big Ten move wasn't good and won't really move off it, so because of this the administration has some deemphasized lacrosse in the form of not chartering for flights or some other very minute thing that probably doesn't have an actual sizable impact on winning on game day

Maybe a better take is the administration gives the program the same level of support, more or less, as other schools given the nature of the university but less than previous president have given.

Jays aren't ranked in the top 20 in either the Media or Coaches poll preseason.

The Jays are going to absolutely blow out Jacksonville. They will be in the top 20 next week. Take it to the bank.

Wouldn't be surprised...

[MDlaxfan76]

I realize you’re recognized as like the board troll/#1 example of cognitive dissonance; but for example, Notre Dame and Duke both missed the NCAA Tournament last year. Have Notre Dame and Duke both also deemphasized lacrosse at those two schools?

Ahhhh, let's see, three sub .500 seasons in a row, no preseason All America's, team unranked....
compared to National Champions and multiple first team AA's; but even 5 years ago, the team was in playoff contention every year.
No longer.
Reality is a hard taskmaster.

You're kind of a dumb guy, you know that?

The discussion was about whether or not the JHU administration has "de-emphasized" the program, not whether or not the program has lost relevance nationally. The latter is obviously true (compared with the program historically), but the former is still apparently up for debate, which is why it was asked and answered by Stevens on the podcast. You completely missed the point. No one has ever missed a point more than you just missed this one. You're the Bill Buckner of this forum. Just right through your legs.

I'd say "lost a measure of relevance"...the program is still "relevant". But there's a significant gap between where the program is now and what would feel like comparable 'relevance' to a decade ago much less 5 decades ago. A lot of work to be done...

Your pedantry knows no bounds

I was just agreeing with you.
I assumed that's what you meant.

Let me add that I doubt very much that Hopkins' current status is the result of lost attention from Hopkins Admin, much less negative attention i.e. "de-emphasis", but rather that the differential in the various factors that separated Hopkins from most of the pack have been lessened due to the growth of the sport and other programs investing more than they had in being competitive. Also some significant missteps during the ER craze created a downward trajectory for the program, a momentum that's not easy to shift. Doable, but not easy.

I continue to think that Hopkins can regain the lost 'measure of relevance', at least to the point of sometimes being in the mix for final 4's and thus, potentially NC's.

It's still in reach, though a number of things have to break positively.

[ohmilax34]

I realize you’re recognized as like the board troll/#1 example of cognitive dissonance; but for example, Notre Dame and Duke both missed the NCAA Tournament last year. Have Notre Dame and Duke both also deemphasized lacrosse at those two schools?

Ahhhh, let's see, three sub .500 seasons in a row, no preseason All America's, team unranked....
compared to National Champions and multiple first team AA's; but even 5 years ago, the team was in playoff contention every year.
No longer.
Reality is a hard taskmaster.

You're kind of a dumb guy, you know that?

The discussion was about whether or not the JHU administration has "de-emphasized" the program, not whether or not the program has lost relevance nationally. The latter is obviously true (compared with the program historically), but the former is still apparently up for debate, which is why it was asked and answered by Stevens on the podcast. You completely missed the point. No one has ever missed a point more than you just missed this one. You're the Bill Buckner of this forum. Just right through your legs.

I'd say "lost a measure of relevance"...the program is still "relevant". But there's a significant gap between where the program is now and what would feel like comparable 'relevance' to a decade ago much less 5 decades ago. A lot of work to be done...

Your pedantry knows no bounds

[jhu06]

https://judolphins.com/news/2023/2/1/me ... eview.aspx

Galloway reviews their preseason. Previews Hopkins. Melendez and Degnon (who he calls one of the best shooters in the game) only guys mentioned by name. Praises the size of the defense-a point HF16 has made here several times. Sounds like they've worked really hard down there to build the program.

[HopFan16]

Galloway has done a good job down there. It's a minor miracle they are competitive at all, let alone a top 20 team. You can see now why Baker was interested in him during the coaching search. At the time, many were skeptical of it, myself included.

That said, he does do a bit of sandbagging in that interview, saying he doesn't think many people are picking them to win on Saturday. Except they're literally favored on DraftKings. So, there's that.

There's some question as to the health of one of their best returning players (Max Waldbaum) but it appears they are keeping his status close to the vest and IL has not made any attempt as of yet to report on his availability. They usually do an offseason injury roundup, but haven't seen that this year.