Rankings are worthless and can be manipulated as we saw this year. As long as they play in the top 2 brackets they will get seen and no college coach is going to pass on kids because they lose club games.
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Rankings are worthless and can be manipulated as we saw this year. As long as they play in the top 2 brackets they will get seen and no college coach is going to pass on kids because they lose club games.
for lacrosse players that wish to transfer to a different school of their choice, the portal has changed very little other than not having to write out and send 10 emails.laxdadpat wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:35 am I can only imagine the new portal helps Levy and Barnes with recruiting big time. They can confidently tell girls that they will be a part of the most completive practices in the country their entire freshman year at a great school. If they don't like the playing time outlook, teams will line up for them if they enter the transfer portal for their sophomore year.
As per a previous post from me.Kleizaster wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:46 amWhat do they have to prove?laxdadpat wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:35 am A club being in the top 20 is fine. Who cares about being ranked 8, 12 or 20. It's about getting girls recruited to where they want to go. HHH has been tops in Philly until recently, NXT may be the top dog in Philly as per their top recruits recently. Either way, both clubs are a force and made the Philly area a hot spot only behind Long Island as far as the top young players. Maryland may still have more quality players, but not the top players that aren't coaches' daughters(haha).
What about the top talent from the Aces club as mentioned 2 days ago, wow! I would imagine Florida is going to be the top recruiting region for women's lacrosse within 5 years just like it is in football.
Just a UNC comment who I am in a wait and prove it mode. I can only imagine the new portal helps Levy and Barnes with recruiting big time. They can confidently tell girls that they will be a part of the most completive practices in the country their entire freshman year at a great school. If they don't like the playing time outlook, teams will line up for them if they enter the transfer portal for their sophomore year.
UNC has been wrong some of the time by targeting top recruits that didn’t quite fit the culture Jenny wanted. She’s stated as much in various interviews, although she doesn’t go into great depth on it.Relax77 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 12:50 pm I don't understand the UNC hate. Have they had stellar recruiting classes? Yes. Do they also need to win the games? Yes. The thing about UNC is they are getting tons of top kids. They can afford to miss on half of them. Can a team like Stony Brook, Coastal Carolina or Drexel afford to miss on half their recruits, no, but a team like UNC is bringing in so many of these top recruits, they can afford to be wrong on some.
As does every other team. No one is right 100% of the time. Schools like UNC, BC, NU, Cuse can be wrong 25% of the time because they usually have pick of the litter. Schools like JMU, PSU, UVA etc, can't, because they are picking second for the most part. UNC has been in three finals in the last ten years. Should they have been in more? Ok. Should Cuse have been in more than three? Should NU have been in more than 4? Many teams underperform at the top. Not sure why we are only kicking UNC.MolonLaxe wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 12:59 pmUNC has been wrong some of the time by targeting top recruits that didn’t quite fit the culture Jenny wanted. She’s stated as much in various interviews, although she doesn’t go into great depth on it.Relax77 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 12:50 pm I don't understand the UNC hate. Have they had stellar recruiting classes? Yes. Do they also need to win the games? Yes. The thing about UNC is they are getting tons of top kids. They can afford to miss on half of them. Can a team like Stony Brook, Coastal Carolina or Drexel afford to miss on half their recruits, no, but a team like UNC is bringing in so many of these top recruits, they can afford to be wrong on some.
It’s easy to get sucked into trying to pull as many of the “top” recruits as possible, but if they don’t fit the culture it’s a waste of time. We’ve seen UNC underperform in those situations previously.
This is where I’d disagree with you. Get players that don’t fit the culture and it can destroy of severely impact team success. And for some teams? It only takes 1 or 2 of those girls to bring it all down.Relax77 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 1:16 pmAs does every other team. No one is right 100% of the time. Schools like UNC, BC, NU, Cuse can be wrong 25% of the time because they usually have pick of the litter. Schools like JMU, PSU, UVA etc, can't, because they are picking second for the most part.MolonLaxe wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 12:59 pmUNC has been wrong some of the time by targeting top recruits that didn’t quite fit the culture Jenny wanted. She’s stated as much in various interviews, although she doesn’t go into great depth on it.Relax77 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 12:50 pm I don't understand the UNC hate. Have they had stellar recruiting classes? Yes. Do they also need to win the games? Yes. The thing about UNC is they are getting tons of top kids. They can afford to miss on half of them. Can a team like Stony Brook, Coastal Carolina or Drexel afford to miss on half their recruits, no, but a team like UNC is bringing in so many of these top recruits, they can afford to be wrong on some.
It’s easy to get sucked into trying to pull as many of the “top” recruits as possible, but if they don’t fit the culture it’s a waste of time. We’ve seen UNC underperform in those situations previously.
And where did UNC come crashing down? That's my point, they can screw up and still be at the top of the heap. Last year was a perfect example of depth. Insanely injured but still managed to go top 20 playing an ACC schedule. That doesn’t happen if they recruit like Penn State.MolonLaxe wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 1:20 pmThis is where I’d disagree with you. Get players that don’t fit the culture and it can destroy of severely impact team success. And for some teams? It only takes 1 or 2 of those girls to bring it all down.Relax77 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 1:16 pmAs does every other team. No one is right 100% of the time. Schools like UNC, BC, NU, Cuse can be wrong 25% of the time because they usually have pick of the litter. Schools like JMU, PSU, UVA etc, can't, because they are picking second for the most part.MolonLaxe wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 12:59 pmUNC has been wrong some of the time by targeting top recruits that didn’t quite fit the culture Jenny wanted. She’s stated as much in various interviews, although she doesn’t go into great depth on it.Relax77 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 12:50 pm I don't understand the UNC hate. Have they had stellar recruiting classes? Yes. Do they also need to win the games? Yes. The thing about UNC is they are getting tons of top kids. They can afford to miss on half of them. Can a team like Stony Brook, Coastal Carolina or Drexel afford to miss on half their recruits, no, but a team like UNC is bringing in so many of these top recruits, they can afford to be wrong on some.
It’s easy to get sucked into trying to pull as many of the “top” recruits as possible, but if they don’t fit the culture it’s a waste of time. We’ve seen UNC underperform in those situations previously.
This may be an unpopular opinion that I’m about to unleash here, but let’s go.Relax77 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 1:22 pmAnd where did UNC come crashing down? That's my point, they can screw up and still be at the top of the heap. Last year was a perfect example of depth. Insanely injured but still managed to go top 20 playing an ACC schedule. That doesn’t happen if they recruit like Penn State.MolonLaxe wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 1:20 pmThis is where I’d disagree with you. Get players that don’t fit the culture and it can destroy of severely impact team success. And for some teams? It only takes 1 or 2 of those girls to bring it all down.Relax77 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 1:16 pmAs does every other team. No one is right 100% of the time. Schools like UNC, BC, NU, Cuse can be wrong 25% of the time because they usually have pick of the litter. Schools like JMU, PSU, UVA etc, can't, because they are picking second for the most part.MolonLaxe wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 12:59 pmUNC has been wrong some of the time by targeting top recruits that didn’t quite fit the culture Jenny wanted. She’s stated as much in various interviews, although she doesn’t go into great depth on it.Relax77 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 12:50 pm I don't understand the UNC hate. Have they had stellar recruiting classes? Yes. Do they also need to win the games? Yes. The thing about UNC is they are getting tons of top kids. They can afford to miss on half of them. Can a team like Stony Brook, Coastal Carolina or Drexel afford to miss on half their recruits, no, but a team like UNC is bringing in so many of these top recruits, they can afford to be wrong on some.
It’s easy to get sucked into trying to pull as many of the “top” recruits as possible, but if they don’t fit the culture it’s a waste of time. We’ve seen UNC underperform in those situations previously.
The Sept 1 contact date ... when my daughter went through the process it started in 8th grade for some players ... so the calendar was far less condensed.MSLAX5 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 12:37 pmWhat do you mean by new recruiting system?watcherinthewoods wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 11:42 am The "new" recruiting system really does seem to condense the process. Let me ask this, how many 1-30 D1 programs will have their 6-8 commits by 10/1? In the old system, folks were adding kids to fill their final spots even fall of senior year. Does that still happen?
Looks like the 2024 classes are all large like 10-14 and 2025 class 6-12.
Every kid Jenny recruits fits her culture and playing style. Fast and athletic. see my previous posts. UNC has one of the lowest transfer rates. Especially among freshmen recruits. They stick around. Can't say that about other top programs. That goes against the idea that she recruits players that don't fit. Otherwise the program would be a revolving door.MolonLaxe wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 1:20 pmThis is where I’d disagree with you. Get players that don’t fit the culture and it can destroy of severely impact team success. And for some teams? It only takes 1 or 2 of those girls to bring it all down.Relax77 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 1:16 pmAs does every other team. No one is right 100% of the time. Schools like UNC, BC, NU, Cuse can be wrong 25% of the time because they usually have pick of the litter. Schools like JMU, PSU, UVA etc, can't, because they are picking second for the most part.MolonLaxe wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 12:59 pmUNC has been wrong some of the time by targeting top recruits that didn’t quite fit the culture Jenny wanted. She’s stated as much in various interviews, although she doesn’t go into great depth on it.Relax77 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 12:50 pm I don't understand the UNC hate. Have they had stellar recruiting classes? Yes. Do they also need to win the games? Yes. The thing about UNC is they are getting tons of top kids. They can afford to miss on half of them. Can a team like Stony Brook, Coastal Carolina or Drexel afford to miss on half their recruits, no, but a team like UNC is bringing in so many of these top recruits, they can afford to be wrong on some.
It’s easy to get sucked into trying to pull as many of the “top” recruits as possible, but if they don’t fit the culture it’s a waste of time. We’ve seen UNC underperform in those situations previously.
Please pick a team 20-40 that you approve of as a coach and insert that said coach’s name into my statement. If you don’t like any 20-40 feel free to move down the line.MolonLaxe wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 1:52 pmThis may be an unpopular opinion that I’m about to unleash here, but let’s go.Relax77 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 1:22 pmAnd where did UNC come crashing down? That's my point, they can screw up and still be at the top of the heap. Last year was a perfect example of depth. Insanely injured but still managed to go top 20 playing an ACC schedule. That doesn’t happen if they recruit like Penn State.MolonLaxe wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 1:20 pmThis is where I’d disagree with you. Get players that don’t fit the culture and it can destroy of severely impact team success. And for some teams? It only takes 1 or 2 of those girls to bring it all down.Relax77 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 1:16 pmAs does every other team. No one is right 100% of the time. Schools like UNC, BC, NU, Cuse can be wrong 25% of the time because they usually have pick of the litter. Schools like JMU, PSU, UVA etc, can't, because they are picking second for the most part.MolonLaxe wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 12:59 pmUNC has been wrong some of the time by targeting top recruits that didn’t quite fit the culture Jenny wanted. She’s stated as much in various interviews, although she doesn’t go into great depth on it.Relax77 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 12:50 pm I don't understand the UNC hate. Have they had stellar recruiting classes? Yes. Do they also need to win the games? Yes. The thing about UNC is they are getting tons of top kids. They can afford to miss on half of them. Can a team like Stony Brook, Coastal Carolina or Drexel afford to miss on half their recruits, no, but a team like UNC is bringing in so many of these top recruits, they can afford to be wrong on some.
It’s easy to get sucked into trying to pull as many of the “top” recruits as possible, but if they don’t fit the culture it’s a waste of time. We’ve seen UNC underperform in those situations previously.
Penn State can barely coach their way out of a wet paper bag. They haven’t stayed up with the changes in the game and recruiting. It’s a miracle when they have something better than a mid season at this point.
I think that has more to do with the coaching than the recruiting.
Maryland gets slammed all the time. All because they haven't won since 2019. Pretty sure all but three programs would have liked a championship that recently (yes I realized they haven't played as well the last few years - although they did have a 1 pt loss in the final four two years ago).Kleizaster wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 2:09 pm
But you can say that about BC as well and all the time they've come short in the final four and championship games. Same with NU. So it's odd that it's just UNC that gets held to this other standard that no one else does.
watcherinthewoods wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 2:00 pm
Founder/head of Triple H (which is a relatively new club in Philly) is extraordinary at placing kids at coveted programs and on teams in high profile events and US lax programs. This helped her start the club ... and allowed her to attract top players.