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Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 2:33 pm
by Seacoaster(1)
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 1:56 pm Joe going to make up for his comments in a couple years ago: https://x.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1706 ... 61203?s=20
Chuck Callesto!!!!

True, Biden had words with the guy...in connection with a gun rights discussion he was having with the Hardhat. During a campaign stop in 2020, Biden was confronted by this guy, who accused Biden of “actively trying to end our Second Amendment right.” Biden immediately replied, "you're full of sh*t."

This is essentially misinformation, because it doesn't give the context of the conversation he was having. This is the stuff you repeatedly traffic in, because you are satisfied with the little hits you think they are making. You are exactly the lazy re-poster these people, like Chuck Callesto, long for, to carry out their misinformation effort. Context matters. Do better.

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:00 pm
by youthathletics
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 2:33 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 1:56 pm Joe going to make up for his comments in a couple years ago: https://x.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1706 ... 61203?s=20
Chuck Callesto!!!!

True, Biden had words with the guy...in connection with a gun rights discussion he was having with the Hardhat. During a campaign stop in 2020, Biden was confronted by this guy, who accused Biden of “actively trying to end our Second Amendment right.” Biden immediately replied, "you're full of sh*t."

This is essentially misinformation, because it doesn't give the context of the conversation he was having. This is the stuff you repeatedly traffic in, because you are satisfied with the little hits you think they are making. You are exactly the lazy re-poster these people, like Chuck Callesto, long for, to carry out their misinformation effort. Context matters. Do better.
😂😂😂 Shooting the messenger once again, ignoring the actual words from Biden. “I am not working for you”. So who does the POTUS work for? Probably for Hunter, Joes Brother and their businesses, right? 😉😂

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:25 pm
by Seacoaster(1)
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:00 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 2:33 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 1:56 pm Joe going to make up for his comments in a couple years ago: https://x.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1706 ... 61203?s=20
Chuck Callesto!!!!

True, Biden had words with the guy...in connection with a gun rights discussion he was having with the Hardhat. During a campaign stop in 2020, Biden was confronted by this guy, who accused Biden of “actively trying to end our Second Amendment right.” Biden immediately replied, "you're full of sh*t."

This is essentially misinformation, because it doesn't give the context of the conversation he was having. This is the stuff you repeatedly traffic in, because you are satisfied with the little hits you think they are making. You are exactly the lazy re-poster these people, like Chuck Callesto, long for, to carry out their misinformation effort. Context matters. Do better.
😂😂😂 Shooting the messenger once again, ignoring the actual words from Biden. “I am not working for you”. So who does the POTUS work for? Probably for Hunter, Joes Brother and their businesses, right? 😉😂
Yup, that’s it. You are an advertisement for the hook, line and sinker of the social media feed. See my earlier post for my advice.

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:43 pm
by youthathletics
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:25 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:00 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 2:33 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 1:56 pm Joe going to make up for his comments in a couple years ago: https://x.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1706 ... 61203?s=20
Chuck Callesto!!!!

True, Biden had words with the guy...in connection with a gun rights discussion he was having with the Hardhat. During a campaign stop in 2020, Biden was confronted by this guy, who accused Biden of “actively trying to end our Second Amendment right.” Biden immediately replied, "you're full of sh*t."

This is essentially misinformation, because it doesn't give the context of the conversation he was having. This is the stuff you repeatedly traffic in, because you are satisfied with the little hits you think they are making. You are exactly the lazy re-poster these people, like Chuck Callesto, long for, to carry out their misinformation effort. Context matters. Do better.
😂😂😂 Shooting the messenger once again, ignoring the actual words from Biden. “I am not working for you”. So who does the POTUS work for? Probably for Hunter, Joes Brother and their businesses, right? 😉😂
Yup, that’s it. You are an advertisement for the hook, line and sinker of the social media feed. See my earlier post for my advice.
How do you expect to sway others when you look past Biden’s comment above? As I’ve stated before….. this is what people recall and use to pull the lever. I get these in my inbox from followers all the time and on my Facebook timeline….ignoring his comment to that union worker without rebuttal only validates that tweet, which is why the comments ‘do’ matter, as much as you may not like them. Just being a ‘Boomer’ is not not going to help either.

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:01 pm
by MDlaxfan76
As others have already noted, The rebuttal is the context. Ignore context and promote purposeful stupidity if you wish, but that’s on you.

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:03 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:43 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:25 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:00 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 2:33 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 1:56 pm Joe going to make up for his comments in a couple years ago: https://x.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1706 ... 61203?s=20
Chuck Callesto!!!!

True, Biden had words with the guy...in connection with a gun rights discussion he was having with the Hardhat. During a campaign stop in 2020, Biden was confronted by this guy, who accused Biden of “actively trying to end our Second Amendment right.” Biden immediately replied, "you're full of sh*t."

This is essentially misinformation, because it doesn't give the context of the conversation he was having. This is the stuff you repeatedly traffic in, because you are satisfied with the little hits you think they are making. You are exactly the lazy re-poster these people, like Chuck Callesto, long for, to carry out their misinformation effort. Context matters. Do better.
😂😂😂 Shooting the messenger once again, ignoring the actual words from Biden. “I am not working for you”. So who does the POTUS work for? Probably for Hunter, Joes Brother and their businesses, right? 😉😂
Yup, that’s it. You are an advertisement for the hook, line and sinker of the social media feed. See my earlier post for my advice.
How do you expect to sway others when you look past Biden’s comment above? As I’ve stated before….. this is what people recall and use to pull the lever. I get these in my inbox from followers all the time and on my Facebook timeline….ignoring his comment to that union worker without rebuttal only validates that tweet, which is why the comments ‘do’ matter, as much as you may not like them. Just being a ‘Boomer’ is not not going to help either.
Childish.

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:45 pm
by a fan
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:43 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:25 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:00 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 2:33 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 1:56 pm Joe going to make up for his comments in a couple years ago: https://x.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1706 ... 61203?s=20
Chuck Callesto!!!!

True, Biden had words with the guy...in connection with a gun rights discussion he was having with the Hardhat. During a campaign stop in 2020, Biden was confronted by this guy, who accused Biden of “actively trying to end our Second Amendment right.” Biden immediately replied, "you're full of sh*t."

This is essentially misinformation, because it doesn't give the context of the conversation he was having. This is the stuff you repeatedly traffic in, because you are satisfied with the little hits you think they are making. You are exactly the lazy re-poster these people, like Chuck Callesto, long for, to carry out their misinformation effort. Context matters. Do better.
😂😂😂 Shooting the messenger once again, ignoring the actual words from Biden. “I am not working for you”. So who does the POTUS work for? Probably for Hunter, Joes Brother and their businesses, right? 😉😂
Yup, that’s it. You are an advertisement for the hook, line and sinker of the social media feed. See my earlier post for my advice.
How do you expect to sway others when you look past Biden’s comment above?
You think that you can sway the opinion of Americans that are dumb enough to fall for clickbait like that? With what? Policy discussions?

You can sway them by posting more idiotic clickbait, yep.....but how does that help anything?

This is why Trump will win the election, I agree with you on that part.

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."-Twain.

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:06 pm
by youthathletics
a fan wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:45 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:43 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:25 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:00 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 2:33 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 1:56 pm Joe going to make up for his comments in a couple years ago: https://x.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1706 ... 61203?s=20
Chuck Callesto!!!!

True, Biden had words with the guy...in connection with a gun rights discussion he was having with the Hardhat. During a campaign stop in 2020, Biden was confronted by this guy, who accused Biden of “actively trying to end our Second Amendment right.” Biden immediately replied, "you're full of sh*t."

This is essentially misinformation, because it doesn't give the context of the conversation he was having. This is the stuff you repeatedly traffic in, because you are satisfied with the little hits you think they are making. You are exactly the lazy re-poster these people, like Chuck Callesto, long for, to carry out their misinformation effort. Context matters. Do better.
😂😂😂 Shooting the messenger once again, ignoring the actual words from Biden. “I am not working for you”. So who does the POTUS work for? Probably for Hunter, Joes Brother and their businesses, right? 😉😂
Yup, that’s it. You are an advertisement for the hook, line and sinker of the social media feed. See my earlier post for my advice.
How do you expect to sway others when you look past Biden’s comment above?
You think that you can sway the opinion of Americans that are dumb enough to fall for clickbait like that? With what? Policy discussions?

You can sway them by posting more idiotic clickbait, yep.....but how does that help anything?

This is why Trump will win the election, I agree with you on that part.

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."-Twain.
ahhhh…..someone finally gets it. It’s the very thing Trump Team did to win in 2016 by consuming social media and the news cycle.

Only a small minority of people in America ‘truly’ care about policy unless it has to do with their financials or their security. And currently, neither of those two are very promising; everything is more expensive and the border is viewed as a sieve for expected crime & drugs along with polarizing the 2A.

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2023 7:03 am
by cradleandshoot
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:06 pm
a fan wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:45 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:43 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:25 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:00 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 2:33 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 1:56 pm Joe going to make up for his comments in a couple years ago: https://x.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1706 ... 61203?s=20
Chuck Callesto!!!!

True, Biden had words with the guy...in connection with a gun rights discussion he was having with the Hardhat. During a campaign stop in 2020, Biden was confronted by this guy, who accused Biden of “actively trying to end our Second Amendment right.” Biden immediately replied, "you're full of sh*t."

This is essentially misinformation, because it doesn't give the context of the conversation he was having. This is the stuff you repeatedly traffic in, because you are satisfied with the little hits you think they are making. You are exactly the lazy re-poster these people, like Chuck Callesto, long for, to carry out their misinformation effort. Context matters. Do better.
😂😂😂 Shooting the messenger once again, ignoring the actual words from Biden. “I am not working for you”. So who does the POTUS work for? Probably for Hunter, Joes Brother and their businesses, right? 😉😂
Yup, that’s it. You are an advertisement for the hook, line and sinker of the social media feed. See my earlier post for my advice.
How do you expect to sway others when you look past Biden’s comment above?
You think that you can sway the opinion of Americans that are dumb enough to fall for clickbait like that? With what? Policy discussions?

You can sway them by posting more idiotic clickbait, yep.....but how does that help anything?

This is why Trump will win the election, I agree with you on that part.

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."-Twain.
ahhhh…..someone finally gets it. It’s the very thing Trump Team did to win in 2016 by consuming social media and the news cycle.

Only a small minority of people in America ‘truly’ care about policy unless it has to do with their financials or their security. And currently, neither of those two are very promising; everything is more expensive and the border is viewed as a sieve for expected crime & drugs along with polarizing the 2A.
The strategy for the democRATs is coming into focus.
The Southern Border needs to be fixed. Their election strategy is now obvious... fix the southern border just long enough for them to get reelected.

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2023 7:34 am
by youthathletics
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 7:03 am
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:06 pm
a fan wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:45 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:43 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:25 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:00 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 2:33 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 1:56 pm Joe going to make up for his comments in a couple years ago: https://x.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1706 ... 61203?s=20
Chuck Callesto!!!!

True, Biden had words with the guy...in connection with a gun rights discussion he was having with the Hardhat. During a campaign stop in 2020, Biden was confronted by this guy, who accused Biden of “actively trying to end our Second Amendment right.” Biden immediately replied, "you're full of sh*t."

This is essentially misinformation, because it doesn't give the context of the conversation he was having. This is the stuff you repeatedly traffic in, because you are satisfied with the little hits you think they are making. You are exactly the lazy re-poster these people, like Chuck Callesto, long for, to carry out their misinformation effort. Context matters. Do better.
😂😂😂 Shooting the messenger once again, ignoring the actual words from Biden. “I am not working for you”. So who does the POTUS work for? Probably for Hunter, Joes Brother and their businesses, right? 😉😂
Yup, that’s it. You are an advertisement for the hook, line and sinker of the social media feed. See my earlier post for my advice.
How do you expect to sway others when you look past Biden’s comment above?
You think that you can sway the opinion of Americans that are dumb enough to fall for clickbait like that? With what? Policy discussions?

You can sway them by posting more idiotic clickbait, yep.....but how does that help anything?

This is why Trump will win the election, I agree with you on that part.

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."-Twain.
ahhhh…..someone finally gets it. It’s the very thing Trump Team did to win in 2016 by consuming social media and the news cycle.

Only a small minority of people in America ‘truly’ care about policy unless it has to do with their financials or their security. And currently, neither of those two are very promising; everything is more expensive and the border is viewed as a sieve for expected crime & drugs along with polarizing the 2A.
The strategy for the democRATs is coming into focus.
The Southern Border needs to be fixed. Their election strategy is now obvious... fix the southern border just long enough for them to get reelected.
That will backfire if Trump is still in the running.....it will only prove he was more right about first securing the border to then allow more controlled legal entry.....not that Trump 'really' cared but he knew it was hot button. I say, the Dems should fight tooth and nail to make eVerify mandated for all 50 states; which aligns with their pro-union, worker/safety, middle-class strengthening solidarity battle. Joe just showed us he fights for the worked yesterday while picketing.

The only people that will really fight back on e-Verify, are the wealthy business owners, small shysters' fleecing labor, and for a short time farming until they balance out their books to get the right mix of stable labor. It will take a year or two to clean up the database, and needs to be simplified....but it would be a good thing in the long run. Not to mention, it would increase our tax base and in theory help restore Social Security.

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2023 9:58 am
by dislaxxic
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:43 pm How do you expect to sway others when you look past Biden’s comment above? As I’ve stated before….. this is what people recall and use to pull the lever. I get these in my inbox from followers all the time and on my Facebook timeline….ignoring his comment to that union worker without rebuttal only validates that tweet, which is why the comments ‘do’ matter, as much as you may not like them. Just being a ‘Boomer’ is not not going to help either.
The only issue that matters to people is the character of the republican front-runner. There are exactly ZERO voters that either stayed home in 2020 or did not vote for him then that will come over to trump this time around if he gets through to the nomination. It's like what's happening in the House now, the inmates running the asylum. There's a (future) inmate running that primary.

Will the gop come to their senses and put a more competitive opponent in the election, like Haley or Scott?

It looks doubtful.

..

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:43 am
by MDlaxfan76
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 7:34 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 7:03 am
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:06 pm
a fan wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:45 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:43 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:25 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:00 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 2:33 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 1:56 pm Joe going to make up for his comments in a couple years ago: https://x.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1706 ... 61203?s=20
Chuck Callesto!!!!

True, Biden had words with the guy...in connection with a gun rights discussion he was having with the Hardhat. During a campaign stop in 2020, Biden was confronted by this guy, who accused Biden of “actively trying to end our Second Amendment right.” Biden immediately replied, "you're full of sh*t."

This is essentially misinformation, because it doesn't give the context of the conversation he was having. This is the stuff you repeatedly traffic in, because you are satisfied with the little hits you think they are making. You are exactly the lazy re-poster these people, like Chuck Callesto, long for, to carry out their misinformation effort. Context matters. Do better.
😂😂😂 Shooting the messenger once again, ignoring the actual words from Biden. “I am not working for you”. So who does the POTUS work for? Probably for Hunter, Joes Brother and their businesses, right? 😉😂
Yup, that’s it. You are an advertisement for the hook, line and sinker of the social media feed. See my earlier post for my advice.
How do you expect to sway others when you look past Biden’s comment above?
You think that you can sway the opinion of Americans that are dumb enough to fall for clickbait like that? With what? Policy discussions?

You can sway them by posting more idiotic clickbait, yep.....but how does that help anything?

This is why Trump will win the election, I agree with you on that part.

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."-Twain.
ahhhh…..someone finally gets it. It’s the very thing Trump Team did to win in 2016 by consuming social media and the news cycle.

Only a small minority of people in America ‘truly’ care about policy unless it has to do with their financials or their security. And currently, neither of those two are very promising; everything is more expensive and the border is viewed as a sieve for expected crime & drugs along with polarizing the 2A.
The strategy for the democRATs is coming into focus.
The Southern Border needs to be fixed. Their election strategy is now obvious... fix the southern border just long enough for them to get reelected.
That will backfire if Trump is still in the running.....it will only prove he was more right about first securing the border to then allow more controlled legal entry.....not that Trump 'really' cared but he knew it was hot button. I say, the Dems should fight tooth and nail to make eVerify mandated for all 50 states; which aligns with their pro-union, worker/safety, middle-class strengthening solidarity battle. Joe just showed us he fights for the worked yesterday while picketing.

The only people that will really fight back on e-Verify, are the wealthy business owners, small shysters' fleecing labor, and for a short time farming until they balance out their books to get the right mix of stable labor. It will take a year or two to clean up the database, and needs to be simplified....but it would be a good thing in the long run. Not to mention, it would increase our tax base and in theory help restore Social Security.
Yes E-Verify, but with a greatly expanded worker visa program, enabling asylum seekers to work right away and also temporary workers. That's less popular with unions, but the reality is that we need a lot more workers overall. Punish illegal hiring, but make it straightforward to 'get legal'.

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 8:47 pm
by NattyBohChamps04
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 1:56 pm Joe going to make up for his comments in a couple years ago: https://x.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1706 ... 61203?s=20
I like that Joe didn't have to bring in fake auto workers and fake union members to his rally.

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 9:00 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 8:47 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 1:56 pm Joe going to make up for his comments in a couple years ago: https://x.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1706 ... 61203?s=20
I like that Joe didn't have to bring in fake auto workers and fake union members to his rally.
Whatever happened to the guy with the hard hat and jumpsuit that Trump gave that $1,000 tax reform check to? Remember when all those companies were giving one time $1,000 checks to folks?

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:56 am
by Seacoaster(1)
The coming shutdown, owned by the GOP House:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... -seinfeld/

"In 1995 and 1996, the federal government shut down as House Republicans and the Clinton administration clashed over spending cuts. In 2013, the government shut down because of a partisan disagreement over President Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act. In 2018, Democrats bucked President Donald Trump’s demands to fund a U.S.-Mexico border wall, leading to the longest shutdown in U.S. history.

And now?

“We are truly heading for the first-ever shutdown about nothing,” said Michael Strain, director of economic policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, a right-leaning think tank. Strain has started referring to the current GOP House-led impasse as “the ‘Seinfeld’ shutdown,” a reference to the popular sitcom widely known as “a show about nothing.” “The weirdest thing about it is that the Republicans don’t have any demands. What do they want? What is it that they’re going to shut the government down for? We simply don’t know.”

Lawmakers have until 12:01 a.m. Sunday to pass a new law to extend government funding, or a wide range of critical federal services will come to a halt. On Thursday, a bipartisan Senate agreement to temporarily fund the federal government passed a procedural hurdle, but that plan has already been rejected by House Republicans.

Typically, funding showdowns in divided government between Congress and the White House have featured pitched battles over specific policies, such as Trump’s border wall or Obamacare. But budget experts and historians say the current impasse stands out for its lack of a clear policy disagreement.

House Republican leaders had already worked out an agreement with President Biden in May on government spending levels for the next fiscal year, but they’re working on legislation that would spend far less than the agreed amounts. The House has no plans yet for a temporary extension to government funding, which means there haven’t been significant negotiations with the Democratic Senate and White House. As long as House Republicans cannot find consensus on their demands, Democratic policymakers — largely backed in this fight by Senate Republicans — have declined to offer concessions, because they don’t know which ones would suffice.


Asked by reporters Wednesday what could be done to avoid a shutdown, Biden responded, “If I knew that, I would’ve already done it.”

Compounding the confusion is that it is not clear how or when House Republicans can forge consensus. Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) has for weeks tried to unify his caucus around a set of spending demands, but his efforts have been stymied in part because a handful of far-right insurgents keep changing their own demands. And so with less than two days until a shutdown, the legislative leaders tasked with funding the government appear stuck.

House Republican appropriators have advanced legislation that would dramatically slash the safety net and other domestic programs, including gutting some education subsidies by 80 percent. Those bills, however, are not only doomed in the Senate but also have failed to pass the House, leaving the lower chamber’s policy priorities unclear.

“I frankly don’t understand it — I think it’s sort of nuts. There are times people vote yes one day, and then they come back and vote no the next day, and can’t explain why they switched,” said Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker and a McCarthy ally. Gingrich led House Republicans through two different shutdowns nearly 30 years ago, a brief one in late 1995 and a longer one weeks later. “I find it hard to understand what they want, too, because they change constantly — that’s a big part of the problem.”

Asked if he has a hard time tracking the insurgents’ demands of McCarthy, Gingrich said yes, adding, “So do they.”

Grover Norquist, the president of the conservative Americans for Tax Reform, has tormented generations of GOP officials by organizing House backbenchers against their leaders. But he chastised the current group of House insurgents for failing to coalesce around an intelligible set of demands. The shutdowns in 1995 and 1996 eventually pushed Clinton and the GOP-led Congress to agree on balanced-budget legislation and other federal changes. Now, Norquist said, far-right members throw out so many different demands — an end to Ukraine funding, tougher immigration restrictions, dramatic spending cuts, changes to House procedures — that it is impossible to know what they want.

“You can’t have seven reasons, and a different one each week, and expect American people to understand what your point was. In prior fights, there was a focus on why you were doing this. But right now, what would someone watching this on TV be taking away? It’s about too many things, which makes this about nothing,” Norquist said.

If this weekend truly does bring the “Seinfeld” shutdown, Norquist said, it will in part reflect the lack of clarity about what the holdouts in the House are demanding.

“One of the rules of ‘Seinfeld’ was: ‘No learning takes place,’” he said. “And one of the rules from that show is the case here — there’s no attempt here to learn from previous episodes.”

In the White House and the Senate, Democrats have watched with a mixture of frustration and bafflement as House Republicans have struggled through successive rounds of infighting.

Though shutdowns typically get blamed on the GOP, the Biden administration wants to keep the government open, and White House aides are in frequent contact with leaders in the House and the Senate about the best way forward.

But there appears little for them to do: If McCarthy manages to advance a bill through the House, then Democratic officials can consider what to offer in response. Until that happens, the administration’s options are limited.

“There is quite literally nothing for the White House to do. Are they supposed to try to mediate between the House Republican leadership and Freedom Caucus?” said Dean Baker, an economist at the left-leaning Center for Economic and Policy Research who is a Biden ally.

As frustrating as the House’s indecision may be for the White House and the Senate, McCarthy faces his own vexing path forward.

The House speaker has for months tried to build consensus within his party on government spending. And at nearly every turn, a small faction of far-right lawmakers has blocked his plans.

First, folding to pressure from the right, McCarthy broke the deal he reached months ago with Biden during the debt ceiling negotiations that would have kept government funding levels largely flat, instead urging that legislation cut spending for fiscal year 2024. But when House GOP leaders moved forward with appropriations bills that met lower spending targets, far-right House conservatives again objected, derailing the defense bill McCarthy tried moving. More recently, McCarthy has floated enormous automatic cuts to domestic spending programs of as much as 8 percent or even 27 percent, potentially coupled with an immigration crackdown, to try to get some legislation through the House.

Those efforts also floundered because the small faction of hard-line conservatives have rejected any attempt to pass one bill to fund the government, even temporarily — and even if they include massive cuts that could never pass the Senate. They instead want to pass 12 separate appropriations bills, which McCarthy promised during his campaign for speaker. But passing all 12 of the appropriations bills necessary to fund the government would take weeks that Congress does not have.

McCarthy and his top aides have also started blaming the White House’s immigration enforcement work for the shutdown. This strategy, too, has faltered, in part House Republicans as recently as last week introduced a bill to fund the government that would have cut spending for the Department of Homeland Security by about 8 percent, undermining their demands for more immigration enforcement.

Some Republican strategists have complained about Rep. Matt Gaetz (Fla.), one of the most bombastic GOP holdouts, who recently sent a fundraising email that blamed McCarthy for the potential shutdown.

“Gaetz is threatening the speaker’s job if he works with Democrats, while leaving no choice to but to rely on Democratic votes,” said Liam Donovan, who worked for the National Republican Senatorial Committee. “The entire exercise is designed to fail. It’s all impressively nihilistic.”

The action on the House floor this week captured just how far afield the debate has strayed.

Far-right lawmakers offered dozens of amendments to the defense bill that had no chance of passing the Senate and an uncertain fate in the House. Lawmakers voted on stripping tens of millions of dollars from the Peace Corps, reducing Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin’s salary to $1, and eliminating international aid for disaster assistance. Other amendments included cutting the salary of U.N. Ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield to $1 and banning State Department employees from using taxpayer dollars to attend events or conferences hosted by the Clinton Global Initiative.

“It’s a symbolic fight for bomb-throwing lawmakers who want to pick a fight with Republican leadership, no matter what,” said Brian Riedl, senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, a libertarian-leaning think tank. “It’s not really about anything.”

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:03 am
by Seacoaster(1)
But wait, there's more. This from the idiot Hugh Hewitt, who knows something about Knuckleheads:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... wn-antics/

A destructive dynamic at work in U.S. politics today is the overarching incentive to create headlines — no matter how the policies or politics that generated the headlines play out.

The dynamic is an even more cynical, turbocharged version of “all publicity is good publicity.” The nation is witnessing a prime example with the government shutdown, possibly beginning this weekend, instigated by an obstinate subset of the House GOP’s Freedom Caucus. I call them the Knucklehead Caucus.

The exception to this new rule is that no one, of course, wants the sort of headlines trailing Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) or Hunter Biden these days. But almost anything short of criminal-conduct allegations can be exploited for fundraising via social media-driven and text-message-delivered appeals for donations of $5 or $10. Or perhaps parlayed into an on-camera cable news job.

How else to explain the conduct last week of Andy Biggs (Ariz.), Dan Bishop (N.C.), Ralph Norman (S.C.) and Matthew M. Rosendale (Mont.)? These four Knucklehead Caucusers teamed up with Colorado’s Ken Buck, a temporary ally, to derail House Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s plan to increase the GOP’s leverage in budget negotiations with President Biden and Senate Democrats by launching a separate move to fund the Defense Department.

Buck is a pretty smart guy — he’s in the Freedom Caucus but not a lockstep member, criticizing his colleagues’ pressure on McCarthy (Calif.) to impeach Biden — so I was startled to see his name on the wrecking ball that razed McCarthy’s effort.

With the New York Post reporting last week that Buck was in the hunt for a CNN contributor slot, the congressman’s move against defense funding made (a little) sense. He called the newspaper later to say he might also be interested in working for right-leaning Fox News or Newsmax— perhaps realizing that CNN already has enough contributors in the “rogue Republican” category, and wanting to maximize this employment opportunity.

Buck soon extricated himself from the Knuckleheads’ clutches and publicly opposed a government shutdown, but the others apparently remain adamant about leading the country into this dead end.

I’m tempted to call what’s happening a “Seinfeld shutdown” because it’s a shutdown about nothing. But that would be unfair to the “show about nothing,” because that was always a misnomer: “Seinfeld” was about plenty of things. This shutdown, unless averted at the last minute, really is about nothing other than some politicians’ wretched self-interest.

Beyond Buck’s cable TV aspirations, Norman and Rosendale almost certainly are angling for Senate seats, and Bishop is already running for North Carolina attorney general. I have no explanation for Biggs, once upon a time a responsible legislator but now the unlikeliest of statewide candidates.

The Knucklehead Caucus somehow saw a political upside in risking a pay cutoff for military families in their states — a surprise attack that left plenty of observers scratching their heads. Yes, if there’s a shutdown, the government will inevitably start running again, as it always does, but military families making do on tight budgets might not think kindly of politicians’ adding to their burdens.

Not every member of the Knucklehead Caucus was involved in the anti-Pentagon stunt. Rep. Matt Gaetz (Fla.) may have been preoccupied with plotting to force out McCarthy with a motion to vacate the chair, as coups against House speakers are known. Though Gaetz says he simply wants to “hold Kevin McCarthy to his word” about cutting government spending, Maria Bartiromo on Fox News recently suggested that he has a “vendetta” against the speaker. Rolling Stone magazine reported in January that the Florida congressman detests McCarthy for not defending him more forcefully after news emerged in 2021 that Gaetz was the target of a federal investigation involving the sex trafficking of a minor. (No charges have been filed against him.)

In July, ABC News reported on the House Ethics Committee’s “recently reopened probe” of Gaetz “over allegations that include sexual misconduct, illicit drug use and potential public corruption.” He is almost certainly upset with McCarthy for letting the inquiry proceed. If Gaetz makes good on his threats to engineer McCarthy’s ouster, questions about his motive are going to figure prominently in the coverage. That isn’t the sort of attention that even headline-coveting politicians would want.

Temporarily shutting down the federal government isn’t necessarily suicidal politics but, in this case, that result seems certain. The Republican holdouts have no discernible, achievable objective here. Unfortunately, they’re doing this just when Republicans in Virginia — home to many federal workers who stand to be furloughed in a shutdown — make their closing pitches to voters that their party should be rewarded with legislative majorities to support Gov. Glenn Youngkin’s education reform and tax reduction plans.

That would be a big win for Republicans everywhere, but it apparently isn’t good enough for the GOP’s musketeers of mayhem. They need eyeballs. Eyeballs and clicks equal a war chest. These shutdown antics may ultimately backfire — Republicans, like their elephant symbol, have long memories — but consultants have a big incentive to increase campaign budgets, even at the expense of a sound election strategy. That may be the real key to the shutdown mystery: how to raise the most money before my candidate flames out."

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:25 am
by Seacoaster(1)
Diane Feinstein solves the problem of being too old to be in the Senate.

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2023 12:01 pm
by SCLaxAttack
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:03 am But wait, there's more. This from the idiot Hugh Hewitt, who knows something about Knuckleheads:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... wn-antics/

A destructive dynamic at work in U.S. politics today is the overarching incentive to create headlines — no matter how the policies or politics that generated the headlines play out.

The dynamic is an even more cynical, turbocharged version of “all publicity is good publicity.” The nation is witnessing a prime example with the government shutdown, possibly beginning this weekend, instigated by an obstinate subset of the House GOP’s Freedom Caucus. I call them the Knucklehead Caucus.

The exception to this new rule is that no one, of course, wants the sort of headlines trailing Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) or Hunter Biden these days. But almost anything short of criminal-conduct allegations can be exploited for fundraising via social media-driven and text-message-delivered appeals for donations of $5 or $10. Or perhaps parlayed into an on-camera cable news job.

How else to explain the conduct last week of Andy Biggs (Ariz.), Dan Bishop (N.C.), Ralph Norman (S.C.) and Matthew M. Rosendale (Mont.)? These four Knucklehead Caucusers teamed up with Colorado’s Ken Buck, a temporary ally, to derail House Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s plan to increase the GOP’s leverage in budget negotiations with President Biden and Senate Democrats by launching a separate move to fund the Defense Department.

Buck is a pretty smart guy — he’s in the Freedom Caucus but not a lockstep member, criticizing his colleagues’ pressure on McCarthy (Calif.) to impeach Biden — so I was startled to see his name on the wrecking ball that razed McCarthy’s effort.

With the New York Post reporting last week that Buck was in the hunt for a CNN contributor slot, the congressman’s move against defense funding made (a little) sense. He called the newspaper later to say he might also be interested in working for right-leaning Fox News or Newsmax— perhaps realizing that CNN already has enough contributors in the “rogue Republican” category, and wanting to maximize this employment opportunity.

Buck soon extricated himself from the Knuckleheads’ clutches and publicly opposed a government shutdown, but the others apparently remain adamant about leading the country into this dead end.

I’m tempted to call what’s happening a “Seinfeld shutdown” because it’s a shutdown about nothing. But that would be unfair to the “show about nothing,” because that was always a misnomer: “Seinfeld” was about plenty of things. This shutdown, unless averted at the last minute, really is about nothing other than some politicians’ wretched self-interest.

Beyond Buck’s cable TV aspirations, Norman and Rosendale almost certainly are angling for Senate seats, and Bishop is already running for North Carolina attorney general. I have no explanation for Biggs, once upon a time a responsible legislator but now the unlikeliest of statewide candidates.

The Knucklehead Caucus somehow saw a political upside in risking a pay cutoff for military families in their states — a surprise attack that left plenty of observers scratching their heads. Yes, if there’s a shutdown, the government will inevitably start running again, as it always does, but military families making do on tight budgets might not think kindly of politicians’ adding to their burdens.

Not every member of the Knucklehead Caucus was involved in the anti-Pentagon stunt. Rep. Matt Gaetz (Fla.) may have been preoccupied with plotting to force out McCarthy with a motion to vacate the chair, as coups against House speakers are known. Though Gaetz says he simply wants to “hold Kevin McCarthy to his word” about cutting government spending, Maria Bartiromo on Fox News recently suggested that he has a “vendetta” against the speaker. Rolling Stone magazine reported in January that the Florida congressman detests McCarthy for not defending him more forcefully after news emerged in 2021 that Gaetz was the target of a federal investigation involving the sex trafficking of a minor. (No charges have been filed against him.)

In July, ABC News reported on the House Ethics Committee’s “recently reopened probe” of Gaetz “over allegations that include sexual misconduct, illicit drug use and potential public corruption.” He is almost certainly upset with McCarthy for letting the inquiry proceed. If Gaetz makes good on his threats to engineer McCarthy’s ouster, questions about his motive are going to figure prominently in the coverage. That isn’t the sort of attention that even headline-coveting politicians would want.

Temporarily shutting down the federal government isn’t necessarily suicidal politics but, in this case, that result seems certain. The Republican holdouts have no discernible, achievable objective here. Unfortunately, they’re doing this just when Republicans in Virginia — home to many federal workers who stand to be furloughed in a shutdown — make their closing pitches to voters that their party should be rewarded with legislative majorities to support Gov. Glenn Youngkin’s education reform and tax reduction plans.

That would be a big win for Republicans everywhere, but it apparently isn’t good enough for the GOP’s musketeers of mayhem. They need eyeballs. Eyeballs and clicks equal a war chest. These shutdown antics may ultimately backfire — Republicans, like their elephant symbol, have long memories — but consultants have a big incentive to increase campaign budgets, even at the expense of a sound election strategy. That may be the real key to the shutdown mystery: how to raise the most money before my candidate flames out."
Meanwhile we have a military retention and recruitment problem. But those are because Milley and Austin are too woke.

Thank you for your service. We'll protect you from the gays and trans, but fend for yourself in putting food on your table and clothes on your kids' backs.

Effers.

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2023 5:04 pm
by youthathletics
Why did all the blue reps vote nay today?

https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2023511

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2023 5:08 pm
by Kismet
youthathletics wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 5:04 pm Why did all the blue reps vote nay today?

https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2023511
They aren't Republicans, YA. :oops: :lol: :lol: