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MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:19 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:25 pm Freedom of movement, residence & work within the EU was a primary motivating factor in Brexit.
Race or religion was not the dividing line. It was to keep out E Europeans out who'd work for less.
The Polish plumbers.

EU elites underestimated the many factors which lead to Brexit, just as our iberal elites US can't understand why Trump was elected.
...& it's not nativisn, xenophobia, or racism. Citing those is a failure to come to grips with reality.

That there's economic fear and resentment does not exclude nativism, xenophobia, and racism. These very much coexist and reinforce.

Those were all huge factors in Brexit, just as they were in Trump's election, though I'd suggest that the realities of economic competition from freedom of movement migrants in Britain were far more real there than any actual competition for jobs here from southern border or African migrants. That was BS, but it successfully tapped into by the nativist/racist strain in our country. Populist BS.

Much more relevant in the US were the impacts of globalization and technology, with the multiple decades of failure to sufficiently address these dislocation impacts of these seemingly rapid changes. In addition to the blaming of illegal immigration and "China", searching for an enemy to blame other than one's own incapacity to adapt, to reeducate, re-skill...there's been a big wave of resentment against women and women's equality in the workforce. And indeed, the impacts of women entering the workforce over the past 40 years has probably caused an even greater sense of economic and social dislocation for older males than any other factor. We now have 60:40 women:men at colleges! Significant cultural backlash though less 'acceptable'

But you're right, 'elites' in both countries underestimated the depth of these resentments and prejudices, and the power of the populist to incite intensity of response.

They shouldn't underestimate them again.
However they (we) probably will, as we human beings have a tough time weighing the capacity of others' resentments and prejudices to be powerful motivators if we don't feel them with the same intensity ourselves. How many of us actually thought there'd been a breakthrough with the election of Obama, underestimating the intensity of the backlash? a lot of us...and we didn't need to be Dems or liberals...it's not as if we thought that white supremacy and such bigotries had suddenly dissolved, but we wanted to think only a small minority had an issue with his skin color...we were wrong.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:26 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:41 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:18 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:09 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:40 am

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:16 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:51 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:48 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:24 pm Comparisons to the distant past don't hold much water either IMHO.

Then why did you bring them up ?

Perhaps because the vast majority of us in America, who like to consider ourselves "Americans", are the descendants of people who had no "legal" invitation to be here, indeed most fleeing some form of oppression or famine or destitution in their home country AND/OR seeking their "fortunes" in a land of perceived greater opportunity than their home country. Or are the descendants of slaves. Who among us can really claim to a greater right to be an "American"?

And if we really want to push the 'legal' status nonsense, those Europeans who were first here, indeed who came in droves, certainly had no "legal" basis for being here. For well over 100 years, every darn one of them was here "illegally" from a Native perspective. Still are...

The question was not directed to you. He said that comparisons with distant past don't hold much water,
prompting me to ask why he introduced them if they do not matter.

It is just an irrelevant diversion. Instead of tying yourself in knots trying to rationalize the chaos on our southern border & our inability to control who comes into our country, why don't you just admit you want to open our borders to whoever wants to enter. We always need more cheap labor for our plantation & to better serve us. Instead of enticing all those Haitian migrants from risking their lives on the trek through the jungle in the Darian gap, let's just send a cruise ship to bring them to the US. You've already assured us what good workers they are, just hire supervisors who can speak creole.

If you think legal status in "nonsense", just admit that you think every global citizen should be free to come & go as they please, to reside & be a citizen wherever they choose.

I'm already wracked with guilt that I was born white. Now I have to shoulder even more guilt for being born in the USA. How do I atone for my good fortune ?

The chaos is a function of overly restrictive border policies in the first place. It’s pretty much that simple.

What we need is more people that appreciate this country and not for stupid things like standing and holding our hand over our chests but embracing the principles of this country. That includes being a refuge from tyranny not being tyrannical. Core to our founding. Folks arguing for tighter and tighter border controls are anti American, not kapernick kneeling or such idiocy as some project. Form over function.

Agree with your second sentiment.

But I think the chaos is not just a function of overly restrictive border policies, but rather underly enforced policies for the past 25+ years. ANY policy enforcement is seen as overly restrictive when it's been essentially an open border for as long as I can remember.

I'm for all immigrants from any country. Its good for American society, its good for the labor market, and it's a way to shift the bs, lazy attitude of the country.

My only caveat is to generally vet them for criminal backgrounds. I think immigrants make America awesome. I say, let people raise their hand, get in line to be here, get vetted, and welcome to the US. We have to shut down the open border. No other country in the world allows it. But the vetting and approval has to be a process we can streamline. Make the process shorter and easier so people stop thinking their only hope is to jump the line. No one likes line jumpers.

Understood, but unless we do increase the amount of immigrants we accept, and make that process much, much more streamlined and responsive, we're going to continue to see enormous pressure on the border and with overstayed visas.

The problem is not that we have demand on the borders, its that we have purposely not met that demand through legal processes. We've had a heavy amount of nativist resistance as well as a complacency of business which is just fine with being able to underpay undocumented workers relative to documented.

I'm just not ok with focusing on border issues as the important problem when it's really that we won't address the 10 million plus undocumented with a legal process and we won't take in far more immigrants annually, legally.

...so we can't do anything to secure the border & reduce the flow of illegal migrants until we address the undocumented already here ?
WHY NOT ? That will be viewed as amnesty & just encourage more to come. All it would take to streamline the legal process is to close the asylum loopholes & process legit asylum claims & reject bogus claims on the front end like other nations do.

You offer nothing to address the humanitarian crisis or criminal, illegal drug & terrorist threats your default open border policy yields.
You can't even acknowledge that Trump took steps that were effective & that Biden rescinded them.
You claim that Biden changed nothing. Rather than address reality, you play the race card & name call to divert attention, just like the Dems & Biden Admin.

Baloney. I'm directly addressing the issue.

Until we decide to accept far more immigrants through legal processes and enable those already here to be documented and on path to be citizens, and instate E-verify, we'll never stop the pressure at the border...sure, we could shoot to kill anyone crossing the river and that'd keep folks back for awhile, but we ain't gonna stop the desire for people to get their families to safer, more prosperous lives. Focus resources on the drug and human trafficking smugglers, not those seeking asylum. Not 'open borders'.

But no, Trump just told you that the only people to be concerned about were from s-hole countries, and that tapped into the dark, racist/nativist underbelly of America...they believed him just like they believe he actually won the election...they want to believe, they need to believe...and we who have read what you write now for years understand where you're coming from on this aspect.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:40 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:47 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:13 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:47 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:08 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:00 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:30 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:45 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:58 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:27 pm Great friggen idea. https://roy.house.gov/media/press-relea ... error-list

Reps. Chip Roy and Mark Green Request Drug Cartels Be Added To Terror List

More from Chip Roy...

Why do these specific cartels qualify as a Foreign Terrorist Organizations? They:

- are a foreign organization.
- meet the definition of ‘terrorism’ and engage in terrorist activity as defined by (22 U.S.C. § 2656f(d)(2)) and (8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)) of the U.S. code.

I think we can all agree that the cartels are brutal organizations which use violence as a major part of their business model. And deserve the toughest of responses.

But should we really confuse crime organizations whose motivations are $ with ideologically motivated violence?
Are they really the same thing?

Why conflate the two? Can't we walk and chew gum?

The story continues.....Trump Plans Crackdown on Fentanyl Shipments from China, Others

The Trump administration is considering an executive order to crack down on shipments of fentanyl and counterfeit goods, according to people familiar with the matter, a move aimed in part at pressuring China to help the U.S. combat its opioid epidemic...

...Trump trade adviser Peter Navarro, who is leading the effort on the executive order, often refers to the sale of fentanyl as one of what he calls China’s “seven deadly sins.” People briefed on the order said it’s likely China would retaliate against the U.S. move.

Interesting...so, the drugs don't come over the border?

"The draft order would target foreign shippers routing deliveries through the U.S. Postal Service -- not the two-largest U.S. couriers United Parcel Service Inc. and FedEx Corp., according to the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. One person familiar with the proposal said that China is a focus for the action, though the presidential order is not limited to that nation."

Attacking it on both fronts in one swoop. Bottom line, fighting for safety of our nation.

I'm 100% in favor with battling this scourge. So, I'm loathe to be overly critical of any legit efforts to actually accomplish improvement.

But really?

You guys have been claiming the fentanyl is coming over the southern border. That's not the primary way. It comes by air.
It's going to continue to come, by whatever means, as long as there are enormous profits to be made.

Why is Trump not interested in what FedEx and UPS do, just USPS? I hate to say it, but this appears to be just a posturing move, a way to tell Fox viewers that he's "doing something" and at the same time accuse the Chinese of being bad folks, the 'enemy'.

Our problem with opioids is of our making, and there's some reckoning with that finally happening. But we're not going to break the back of illegal drug trafficking until we decriminalize drug usage and take the profit out of the criminal networks. And we need to treat addiction as a public health crisis.

You are not doing a very good job of thinking a move or two ahead, you seem too worried to find blame with anything Trump or fit in a reference to fox news. If we lock down or significantly slow down China import of fentanyl , then I ask you "how does it then try and make its way here".....BINGO? the new primary way is the southern border, and who is receiving the goods form China...BINGO, the cartels, and how do they get it here if we are also more scrutinized on our southern border.

We can walk and chew gum at the same time....I believe I have heard that from someone on the forum once before. Enjoy your Sunday MD!

Nope, most of the fentanyl illegally making its way to the US is coming from ports of entry. Mostly by post. This was a huge canard about the southern border.

The problem is that it's very, very dense, so it's super easy to ship and to hide.

I don't have any objection to trying to stem the flow, but we know darn well that where there are huge profits to be made there's no way to "win the drug war". It's just a 'feel good', 'act tough' move. And OBTW has the added benefit of demonizing the Chinese.

Just don't kid yourself about the reality.

Now, I do think that we can legitimately ask the Chinese to crack down on the criminals within China who are involved. That's a very legit ask. It's just not something that we should be belligerent about.

Prescient

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:09 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:40 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:47 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:13 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:47 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:08 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:00 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:30 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:45 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:58 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:27 pm Great friggen idea. https://roy.house.gov/media/press-relea ... error-list

Reps. Chip Roy and Mark Green Request Drug Cartels Be Added To Terror List

More from Chip Roy...

Why do these specific cartels qualify as a Foreign Terrorist Organizations? They:

- are a foreign organization.
- meet the definition of ‘terrorism’ and engage in terrorist activity as defined by (22 U.S.C. § 2656f(d)(2)) and (8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)) of the U.S. code.

I think we can all agree that the cartels are brutal organizations which use violence as a major part of their business model. And deserve the toughest of responses.

But should we really confuse crime organizations whose motivations are $ with ideologically motivated violence?
Are they really the same thing?

Why conflate the two? Can't we walk and chew gum?

The story continues.....Trump Plans Crackdown on Fentanyl Shipments from China, Others

The Trump administration is considering an executive order to crack down on shipments of fentanyl and counterfeit goods, according to people familiar with the matter, a move aimed in part at pressuring China to help the U.S. combat its opioid epidemic...

...Trump trade adviser Peter Navarro, who is leading the effort on the executive order, often refers to the sale of fentanyl as one of what he calls China’s “seven deadly sins.” People briefed on the order said it’s likely China would retaliate against the U.S. move.

Interesting...so, the drugs don't come over the border?

"The draft order would target foreign shippers routing deliveries through the U.S. Postal Service -- not the two-largest U.S. couriers United Parcel Service Inc. and FedEx Corp., according to the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. One person familiar with the proposal said that China is a focus for the action, though the presidential order is not limited to that nation."

Attacking it on both fronts in one swoop. Bottom line, fighting for safety of our nation.

I'm 100% in favor with battling this scourge. So, I'm loathe to be overly critical of any legit efforts to actually accomplish improvement.

But really?

You guys have been claiming the fentanyl is coming over the southern border. That's not the primary way. It comes by air.
It's going to continue to come, by whatever means, as long as there are enormous profits to be made.

Why is Trump not interested in what FedEx and UPS do, just USPS? I hate to say it, but this appears to be just a posturing move, a way to tell Fox viewers that he's "doing something" and at the same time accuse the Chinese of being bad folks, the 'enemy'.

Our problem with opioids is of our making, and there's some reckoning with that finally happening. But we're not going to break the back of illegal drug trafficking until we decriminalize drug usage and take the profit out of the criminal networks. And we need to treat addiction as a public health crisis.

You are not doing a very good job of thinking a move or two ahead, you seem too worried to find blame with anything Trump or fit in a reference to fox news. If we lock down or significantly slow down China import of fentanyl , then I ask you "how does it then try and make its way here".....BINGO? the new primary way is the southern border, and who is receiving the goods form China...BINGO, the cartels, and how do they get it here if we are also more scrutinized on our southern border.

We can walk and chew gum at the same time....I believe I have heard that from someone on the forum once before. Enjoy your Sunday MD!

Nope, most of the fentanyl illegally making its way to the US is coming from ports of entry. Mostly by post. This was a huge canard about the southern border.

The problem is that it's very, very dense, so it's super easy to ship and to hide.

I don't have any objection to trying to stem the flow, but we know darn well that where there are huge profits to be made there's no way to "win the drug war". It's just a 'feel good', 'act tough' move. And OBTW has the added benefit of demonizing the Chinese.

Just don't kid yourself about the reality.

Now, I do think that we can legitimately ask the Chinese to crack down on the criminals within China who are involved. That's a very legit ask. It's just not something that we should be belligerent about.

Prescient

DEA saves potentially 700,000 lives from drugs entering from our south.

Mexican criminal drug networks are mass-producing illicit fentanyl and fentanyl-laced fake pills, using chemicals sourced largely from China, and are distributing these pills through U.S. criminal networks. These fake pills are designed to appear nearly identical to legitimate prescriptions such as Oxycontin®, Percocet®, Vicodin®, Adderall®, Xanax® and other medicines. Criminal drug networks are selling these pills through social media, e-commerce, the dark web and existing distribution networks. As a result, these fake pills are widely available. The Department of Justice will continue to collaborate closely with its international partners, within Mexico and around the world, to aggressively investigate and prosecute the members of these drug networks.

https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2021 ... lls-public

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:18 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:09 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:40 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:47 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:13 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:47 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:08 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:00 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:30 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:45 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:58 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:27 pm Great friggen idea. https://roy.house.gov/media/press-relea ... error-list

Reps. Chip Roy and Mark Green Request Drug Cartels Be Added To Terror List

More from Chip Roy...

Why do these specific cartels qualify as a Foreign Terrorist Organizations? They:

- are a foreign organization.
- meet the definition of ‘terrorism’ and engage in terrorist activity as defined by (22 U.S.C. § 2656f(d)(2)) and (8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)) of the U.S. code.

I think we can all agree that the cartels are brutal organizations which use violence as a major part of their business model. And deserve the toughest of responses.

But should we really confuse crime organizations whose motivations are $ with ideologically motivated violence?
Are they really the same thing?

Why conflate the two? Can't we walk and chew gum?

The story continues.....Trump Plans Crackdown on Fentanyl Shipments from China, Others

The Trump administration is considering an executive order to crack down on shipments of fentanyl and counterfeit goods, according to people familiar with the matter, a move aimed in part at pressuring China to help the U.S. combat its opioid epidemic...

...Trump trade adviser Peter Navarro, who is leading the effort on the executive order, often refers to the sale of fentanyl as one of what he calls China’s “seven deadly sins.” People briefed on the order said it’s likely China would retaliate against the U.S. move.

Interesting...so, the drugs don't come over the border?

"The draft order would target foreign shippers routing deliveries through the U.S. Postal Service -- not the two-largest U.S. couriers United Parcel Service Inc. and FedEx Corp., according to the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. One person familiar with the proposal said that China is a focus for the action, though the presidential order is not limited to that nation."

Attacking it on both fronts in one swoop. Bottom line, fighting for safety of our nation.

I'm 100% in favor with battling this scourge. So, I'm loathe to be overly critical of any legit efforts to actually accomplish improvement.

But really?

You guys have been claiming the fentanyl is coming over the southern border. That's not the primary way. It comes by air.
It's going to continue to come, by whatever means, as long as there are enormous profits to be made.

Why is Trump not interested in what FedEx and UPS do, just USPS? I hate to say it, but this appears to be just a posturing move, a way to tell Fox viewers that he's "doing something" and at the same time accuse the Chinese of being bad folks, the 'enemy'.

Our problem with opioids is of our making, and there's some reckoning with that finally happening. But we're not going to break the back of illegal drug trafficking until we decriminalize drug usage and take the profit out of the criminal networks. And we need to treat addiction as a public health crisis.

You are not doing a very good job of thinking a move or two ahead, you seem too worried to find blame with anything Trump or fit in a reference to fox news. If we lock down or significantly slow down China import of fentanyl , then I ask you "how does it then try and make its way here".....BINGO? the new primary way is the southern border, and who is receiving the goods form China...BINGO, the cartels, and how do they get it here if we are also more scrutinized on our southern border.

We can walk and chew gum at the same time....I believe I have heard that from someone on the forum once before. Enjoy your Sunday MD!

Nope, most of the fentanyl illegally making its way to the US is coming from ports of entry. Mostly by post. This was a huge canard about the southern border.

The problem is that it's very, very dense, so it's super easy to ship and to hide.

I don't have any objection to trying to stem the flow, but we know darn well that where there are huge profits to be made there's no way to "win the drug war". It's just a 'feel good', 'act tough' move. And OBTW has the added benefit of demonizing the Chinese.

Just don't kid yourself about the reality.

Now, I do think that we can legitimately ask the Chinese to crack down on the criminals within China who are involved. That's a very legit ask. It's just not something that we should be belligerent about.

Prescient

DEA saves potentially 700,000 lives from drugs entering from our south.

Mexican criminal drug networks are mass-producing illicit fentanyl and fentanyl-laced fake pills, using chemicals sourced largely from China, and are distributing these pills through U.S. criminal networks. These fake pills are designed to appear nearly identical to legitimate prescriptions such as Oxycontin®, Percocet®, Vicodin®, Adderall®, Xanax® and other medicines. Criminal drug networks are selling these pills through social media, e-commerce, the dark web and existing distribution networks. As a result, these fake pills are widely available. The Department of Justice will continue to collaborate closely with its international partners, within Mexico and around the world, to aggressively investigate and prosecute the members of these drug networks.

https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2021 ... lls-public

I doubt any law enforcement agency will ever prosecute these dealers. Usually folks who wind up on the wrong side of these dealers wind up on the side of the road with a bullet in their head.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:18 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:09 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:40 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:47 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:13 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:47 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:08 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:00 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:30 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:45 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:58 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:27 pm Great friggen idea. https://roy.house.gov/media/press-relea ... error-list

Reps. Chip Roy and Mark Green Request Drug Cartels Be Added To Terror List

More from Chip Roy...

Why do these specific cartels qualify as a Foreign Terrorist Organizations? They:

- are a foreign organization.
- meet the definition of ‘terrorism’ and engage in terrorist activity as defined by (22 U.S.C. § 2656f(d)(2)) and (8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)) of the U.S. code.

I think we can all agree that the cartels are brutal organizations which use violence as a major part of their business model. And deserve the toughest of responses.

But should we really confuse crime organizations whose motivations are $ with ideologically motivated violence?
Are they really the same thing?

Why conflate the two? Can't we walk and chew gum?

The story continues.....Trump Plans Crackdown on Fentanyl Shipments from China, Others

The Trump administration is considering an executive order to crack down on shipments of fentanyl and counterfeit goods, according to people familiar with the matter, a move aimed in part at pressuring China to help the U.S. combat its opioid epidemic...

...Trump trade adviser Peter Navarro, who is leading the effort on the executive order, often refers to the sale of fentanyl as one of what he calls China’s “seven deadly sins.” People briefed on the order said it’s likely China would retaliate against the U.S. move.

Interesting...so, the drugs don't come over the border?

"The draft order would target foreign shippers routing deliveries through the U.S. Postal Service -- not the two-largest U.S. couriers United Parcel Service Inc. and FedEx Corp., according to the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. One person familiar with the proposal said that China is a focus for the action, though the presidential order is not limited to that nation."

Attacking it on both fronts in one swoop. Bottom line, fighting for safety of our nation.

I'm 100% in favor with battling this scourge. So, I'm loathe to be overly critical of any legit efforts to actually accomplish improvement.

But really?

You guys have been claiming the fentanyl is coming over the southern border. That's not the primary way. It comes by air.
It's going to continue to come, by whatever means, as long as there are enormous profits to be made.

Why is Trump not interested in what FedEx and UPS do, just USPS? I hate to say it, but this appears to be just a posturing move, a way to tell Fox viewers that he's "doing something" and at the same time accuse the Chinese of being bad folks, the 'enemy'.

Our problem with opioids is of our making, and there's some reckoning with that finally happening. But we're not going to break the back of illegal drug trafficking until we decriminalize drug usage and take the profit out of the criminal networks. And we need to treat addiction as a public health crisis.

You are not doing a very good job of thinking a move or two ahead, you seem too worried to find blame with anything Trump or fit in a reference to fox news. If we lock down or significantly slow down China import of fentanyl , then I ask you "how does it then try and make its way here".....BINGO? the new primary way is the southern border, and who is receiving the goods form China...BINGO, the cartels, and how do they get it here if we are also more scrutinized on our southern border.

We can walk and chew gum at the same time....I believe I have heard that from someone on the forum once before. Enjoy your Sunday MD!

Nope, most of the fentanyl illegally making its way to the US is coming from ports of entry. Mostly by post. This was a huge canard about the southern border.

The problem is that it's very, very dense, so it's super easy to ship and to hide.

I don't have any objection to trying to stem the flow, but we know darn well that where there are huge profits to be made there's no way to "win the drug war". It's just a 'feel good', 'act tough' move. And OBTW has the added benefit of demonizing the Chinese.

Just don't kid yourself about the reality.

Now, I do think that we can legitimately ask the Chinese to crack down on the criminals within China who are involved. That's a very legit ask. It's just not something that we should be belligerent about.

Prescient

DEA saves potentially 700,000 lives from drugs entering from our south.

Mexican criminal drug networks are mass-producing illicit fentanyl and fentanyl-laced fake pills, using chemicals sourced largely from China, and are distributing these pills through U.S. criminal networks. These fake pills are designed to appear nearly identical to legitimate prescriptions such as Oxycontin®, Percocet®, Vicodin®, Adderall®, Xanax® and other medicines. Criminal drug networks are selling these pills through social media, e-commerce, the dark web and existing distribution networks. As a result, these fake pills are widely available. The Department of Justice will continue to collaborate closely with its international partners, within Mexico and around the world, to aggressively investigate and prosecute the members of these drug networks.

https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2021 ... lls-public

I doubt any law enforcement agency will ever prosecute these dealers. Usually folks who wind up on the wrong side of these dealers wind up on the side of the road with a bullet in their head.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:36 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:18 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:09 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:40 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:47 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:13 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:47 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:08 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:00 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:30 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:45 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:58 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:27 pm Great friggen idea. https://roy.house.gov/media/press-relea ... error-list

Reps. Chip Roy and Mark Green Request Drug Cartels Be Added To Terror List

More from Chip Roy...

Why do these specific cartels qualify as a Foreign Terrorist Organizations? They:

- are a foreign organization.
- meet the definition of ‘terrorism’ and engage in terrorist activity as defined by (22 U.S.C. § 2656f(d)(2)) and (8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)) of the U.S. code.

I think we can all agree that the cartels are brutal organizations which use violence as a major part of their business model. And deserve the toughest of responses.

But should we really confuse crime organizations whose motivations are $ with ideologically motivated violence?
Are they really the same thing?

Why conflate the two? Can't we walk and chew gum?

The story continues.....Trump Plans Crackdown on Fentanyl Shipments from China, Others

The Trump administration is considering an executive order to crack down on shipments of fentanyl and counterfeit goods, according to people familiar with the matter, a move aimed in part at pressuring China to help the U.S. combat its opioid epidemic...

...Trump trade adviser Peter Navarro, who is leading the effort on the executive order, often refers to the sale of fentanyl as one of what he calls China’s “seven deadly sins.” People briefed on the order said it’s likely China would retaliate against the U.S. move.

Interesting...so, the drugs don't come over the border?

"The draft order would target foreign shippers routing deliveries through the U.S. Postal Service -- not the two-largest U.S. couriers United Parcel Service Inc. and FedEx Corp., according to the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. One person familiar with the proposal said that China is a focus for the action, though the presidential order is not limited to that nation."

Attacking it on both fronts in one swoop. Bottom line, fighting for safety of our nation.

I'm 100% in favor with battling this scourge. So, I'm loathe to be overly critical of any legit efforts to actually accomplish improvement.

But really?

You guys have been claiming the fentanyl is coming over the southern border. That's not the primary way. It comes by air.
It's going to continue to come, by whatever means, as long as there are enormous profits to be made.

Why is Trump not interested in what FedEx and UPS do, just USPS? I hate to say it, but this appears to be just a posturing move, a way to tell Fox viewers that he's "doing something" and at the same time accuse the Chinese of being bad folks, the 'enemy'.

Our problem with opioids is of our making, and there's some reckoning with that finally happening. But we're not going to break the back of illegal drug trafficking until we decriminalize drug usage and take the profit out of the criminal networks. And we need to treat addiction as a public health crisis.

You are not doing a very good job of thinking a move or two ahead, you seem too worried to find blame with anything Trump or fit in a reference to fox news. If we lock down or significantly slow down China import of fentanyl , then I ask you "how does it then try and make its way here".....BINGO? the new primary way is the southern border, and who is receiving the goods form China...BINGO, the cartels, and how do they get it here if we are also more scrutinized on our southern border.

We can walk and chew gum at the same time....I believe I have heard that from someone on the forum once before. Enjoy your Sunday MD!

Nope, most of the fentanyl illegally making its way to the US is coming from ports of entry. Mostly by post. This was a huge canard about the southern border.

The problem is that it's very, very dense, so it's super easy to ship and to hide.

I don't have any objection to trying to stem the flow, but we know darn well that where there are huge profits to be made there's no way to "win the drug war". It's just a 'feel good', 'act tough' move. And OBTW has the added benefit of demonizing the Chinese.

Just don't kid yourself about the reality.

Now, I do think that we can legitimately ask the Chinese to crack down on the criminals within China who are involved. That's a very legit ask. It's just not something that we should be belligerent about.

Prescient

DEA saves potentially 700,000 lives from drugs entering from our south.

Mexican criminal drug networks are mass-producing illicit fentanyl and fentanyl-laced fake pills, using chemicals sourced largely from China, and are distributing these pills through U.S. criminal networks. These fake pills are designed to appear nearly identical to legitimate prescriptions such as Oxycontin®, Percocet®, Vicodin®, Adderall®, Xanax® and other medicines. Criminal drug networks are selling these pills through social media, e-commerce, the dark web and existing distribution networks. As a result, these fake pills are widely available. The Department of Justice will continue to collaborate closely with its international partners, within Mexico and around the world, to aggressively investigate and prosecute the members of these drug networks.

https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2021 ... lls-public

I doubt any law enforcement agency will ever prosecute these dealers. Usually folks who wind up on the wrong side of these dealers wind up on the side of the road with a bullet in their head.

When one pill kills

“It was as easy as ordering a pizza,” Capelouto said. “He delivered right to our house.”

Manufactured by Mexican drug trafficking organizations, these counterfeit pills look like legitimate prescription medicines. But 2 in 5 counterfeit pills seized and tested in the United States contain enough fentanyl to kill, according to the Drug Enforcement Administration.

DEA Administrator Anne Milgram said that social media companies aren’t doing enough to crack down on counterfeit pills.

"Social media companies know that their platforms are being used for this. And they need to understand that Americans are dying at record rates and they need to be a partner in stopping it,” she said Monday in an interview with Kate Snow on NBC’s “TODAY” show.

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youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:27 pm Great friggen idea. https://roy.house.gov/media/press-relea ... error-list

Reps. Chip Roy and Mark Green Request Drug Cartels Be Added To Terror List

More from Chip Roy...

Why do these specific cartels qualify as a Foreign Terrorist Organizations? They:

- are a foreign organization.
- meet the definition of ‘terrorism’ and engage in terrorist activity as defined by (22 U.S.C. § 2656f(d)(2)) and (8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)) of the U.S. code.

I think we can all agree that the cartels are brutal organizations which use violence as a major part of their business model. And deserve the toughest of responses.

But should we really confuse crime organizations whose motivations are $ with ideologically motivated violence?
Are they really the same thing?

Why conflate the two? Can't we walk and chew gum?

The story continues.....Trump Plans Crackdown on Fentanyl Shipments from China, Others

The Trump administration is considering an executive order to crack down on shipments of fentanyl and counterfeit goods, according to people familiar with the matter, a move aimed in part at pressuring China to help the U.S. combat its opioid epidemic...

...Trump trade adviser Peter Navarro, who is leading the effort on the executive order, often refers to the sale of fentanyl as one of what he calls China’s “seven deadly sins.” People briefed on the order said it’s likely China would retaliate against the U.S. move.

Interesting...so, the drugs don't come over the border?

"The draft order would target foreign shippers routing deliveries through the U.S. Postal Service -- not the two-largest U.S. couriers United Parcel Service Inc. and FedEx Corp., according to the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. One person familiar with the proposal said that China is a focus for the action, though the presidential order is not limited to that nation."

Attacking it on both fronts in one swoop. Bottom line, fighting for safety of our nation.

I'm 100% in favor with battling this scourge. So, I'm loathe to be overly critical of any legit efforts to actually accomplish improvement.

But really?

You guys have been claiming the fentanyl is coming over the southern border. That's not the primary way. It comes by air.
It's going to continue to come, by whatever means, as long as there are enormous profits to be made.

Why is Trump not interested in what FedEx and UPS do, just USPS? I hate to say it, but this appears to be just a posturing move, a way to tell Fox viewers that he's "doing something" and at the same time accuse the Chinese of being bad folks, the 'enemy'.

Our problem with opioids is of our making, and there's some reckoning with that finally happening. But we're not going to break the back of illegal drug trafficking until we decriminalize drug usage and take the profit out of the criminal networks. And we need to treat addiction as a public health crisis.

You are not doing a very good job of thinking a move or two ahead, you seem too worried to find blame with anything Trump or fit in a reference to fox news. If we lock down or significantly slow down China import of fentanyl , then I ask you "how does it then try and make its way here".....BINGO? the new primary way is the southern border, and who is receiving the goods form China...BINGO, the cartels, and how do they get it here if we are also more scrutinized on our southern border.

We can walk and chew gum at the same time....I believe I have heard that from someone on the forum once before. Enjoy your Sunday MD!

Nope, most of the fentanyl illegally making its way to the US is coming from ports of entry. Mostly by post. This was a huge canard about the southern border.

The problem is that it's very, very dense, so it's super easy to ship and to hide.

I don't have any objection to trying to stem the flow, but we know darn well that where there are huge profits to be made there's no way to "win the drug war". It's just a 'feel good', 'act tough' move. And OBTW has the added benefit of demonizing the Chinese.

Just don't kid yourself about the reality.

Now, I do think that we can legitimately ask the Chinese to crack down on the criminals within China who are involved. That's a very legit ask. It's just not something that we should be belligerent about.

Prescient

DEA saves potentially 700,000 lives from drugs entering from our south.

Mexican criminal drug networks are mass-producing illicit fentanyl and fentanyl-laced fake pills, using chemicals sourced largely from China, and are distributing these pills through U.S. criminal networks. These fake pills are designed to appear nearly identical to legitimate prescriptions such as Oxycontin®, Percocet®, Vicodin®, Adderall®, Xanax® and other medicines. Criminal drug networks are selling these pills through social media, e-commerce, the dark web and existing distribution networks. As a result, these fake pills are widely available. The Department of Justice will continue to collaborate closely with its international partners, within Mexico and around the world, to aggressively investigate and prosecute the members of these drug networks.

https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2021 ... lls-public

I doubt any law enforcement agency will ever prosecute these dealers. Usually folks who wind up on the wrong side of these dealers wind up on the side of the road with a bullet in their head.

When one pill kills

“It was as easy as ordering a pizza,” Capelouto said. “He delivered right to our house.”

Manufactured by Mexican drug trafficking organizations, these counterfeit pills look like legitimate prescription medicines. But 2 in 5 counterfeit pills seized and tested in the United States contain enough fentanyl to kill, according to the Drug Enforcement Administration.

DEA Administrator Anne Milgram said that social media companies aren’t doing enough to crack down on counterfeit pills.

"Social media companies know that their platforms are being used for this. And they need to understand that Americans are dying at record rates and they need to be a partner in stopping it,” she said Monday in an interview with Kate Snow on NBC’s “TODAY” show.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:37 pm 69% of Hispanics disapprove of Biden's handling of immigration.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/69- ... erm=second

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:00 pm Here we go again.... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.border ... exico/amp/

a fan wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:39 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:00 pm Here we go again.... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.border ... exico/amp/

YA, I wouldn't worry about it.....Trump's going to campaign on fixing this "problem" in three years. So you're all set.

Prior to the departure, caravan organizer Irineo Mujica criticized U.S. immigration policy on interviews shared on social media.

“They’re just in denial of their own fault. They haven’t been able to handle immigration,” he said. “If I tell you the truth, I believe at least with Donald Trump we knew what we had. With Biden, we don’t know. He doesn’t seem to have a clue what to do with immigration because he says one thing and does another.”

The activist expressed disappointment that Biden hasn’t delivered on immigration reform promises. “I mean, it’s Donald Trump 2.0”

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:38 am

Prior to the departure, caravan organizer Irineo Mujica criticized U.S. immigration policy on interviews shared on social media.

“They’re just in denial of their own fault. They haven’t been able to handle immigration,” he said. “If I tell you the truth, I believe at least with Donald Trump we knew what we had. With Biden, we don’t know. He doesn’t seem to have a clue what to do with immigration because he says one thing and does another.”

The activist expressed disappointment that Biden hasn’t delivered on immigration reform promises. “I mean, it’s Donald Trump 2.0”

Meet the new boss...

a fan wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:35 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:38 am

Prior to the departure, caravan organizer Irineo Mujica criticized U.S. immigration policy on interviews shared on social media.

“They’re just in denial of their own fault. They haven’t been able to handle immigration,” he said. “If I tell you the truth, I believe at least with Donald Trump we knew what we had. With Biden, we don’t know. He doesn’t seem to have a clue what to do with immigration because he says one thing and does another.”

The activist expressed disappointment that Biden hasn’t delivered on immigration reform promises. “I mean, it’s Donald Trump 2.0”

Meet the new boss...

So folks are figuring out that A. Trump didn’t fix doodle, and B. We don’t have open borders.

Oh well. And is anyone here noticing a shortage of entry level workers? Naaaah. I’m certain one has nothing to do with the other.

The next Republican in office will fix immigration, right fellas!