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Re: media matters

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:44 pm
by ABV 8.3%
OH....and to the loser cop that said the Barnard "murder gone wrong" , wtfdtem.......b/c they "only" robbed them. Idiotic thing to say in the first place. nihilism

But, if the POT you claim she was seeking was LEGAL.....and cheap.... not that that was her problem, but legal.........NONE of this would have happened. b/c polar bear knockout IS extinct, or nevah existed, right?

But, than the media ignores, and according to a Boston University journalism professor (wonder if AOC evah took his class ) , the disgusting HATE CRIMEs committed against that Knoxville, TN couple, over a decade ago.........the BU professor deemed it, along with his peer reviewers :roll: as NOT news worthy stories. But a "typical" stabbing, murder of one single person, is above the fold headline grabbing? Huh?

Re: media matters

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:50 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
ABV 8.3% wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:44 pm OH....and to the loser cop that said the Barnard "murder gone wrong" , wtfdtem.......b/c they "only" robbed them. Idiotic thing to say in the first place. nihilism

But, if the POT you claim she was seeking was LEGAL.....and cheap.... not that that was her problem, but legal.........NONE of this would have happened. b/c polar bear knockout IS extinct, or nevah existed, right?

But, than the media ignores, and according to a Boston University journalism professor (wonder if AOC evah took his class ) , the disgusting HATE CRIMEs committed against that Knoxville, TN couple, over a decade ago.........the BU professor deemed it, along with his peer reviewers :roll: as NOT news worthy stories. But a "typical" stabbing, murder of one single person, is above the fold headline grabbing? Huh?
Could you post a link to the article where the 13 year old is quoted? Thanks. My daughter just arrived back in town and this incident was the first thing we talked to her about when she got in the car as she is about the same age and travels.

Re: media matters

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:03 pm
by ABV 8.3%
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:50 pm
ABV 8.3% wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:44 pm OH....and to the loser cop that said the Barnard "murder gone wrong" , wtfdtem.......b/c they "only" robbed them. Idiotic thing to say in the first place. nihilism

But, if the POT you claim she was seeking was LEGAL.....and cheap.... not that that was her problem, but legal.........NONE of this would have happened. b/c polar bear knockout IS extinct, or nevah existed, right?

But, than the media ignores, and according to a Boston University journalism professor (wonder if AOC evah took his class ) , the disgusting HATE CRIMEs committed against that Knoxville, TN couple, over a decade ago.........the BU professor deemed it, along with his peer reviewers :roll: as NOT news worthy stories. But a "typical" stabbing, murder of one single person, is above the fold headline grabbing? Huh?
Could you post a link to the article where the 13 year old is quoted? Thanks. My daughter just arrived back in town and this incident was the first thing we talked to her about when she got in the car as she is about the same age and travels.
But Assistant Corporation Counsel Rachel Glantz, acting as prosecutor, told the court that the suspect implicated himself when he admitted to detectives that he and two other teens were in the park to rob somebody.

"He described how they followed a white male but for whatever reason they decided not to rob him," Glantz said. "Then he told detectives that he later picked up a knife and handed it to another individual. It is reasonable to infer that when the knife was picked up that it would be used in the course of a robbery."


que the "don't really care that much to bother" response.

Re: media matters

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:11 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
ABV 8.3% wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:03 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:50 pm
ABV 8.3% wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:44 pm OH....and to the loser cop that said the Barnard "murder gone wrong" , wtfdtem.......b/c they "only" robbed them. Idiotic thing to say in the first place. nihilism

But, if the POT you claim she was seeking was LEGAL.....and cheap.... not that that was her problem, but legal.........NONE of this would have happened. b/c polar bear knockout IS extinct, or nevah existed, right?

But, than the media ignores, and according to a Boston University journalism professor (wonder if AOC evah took his class ) , the disgusting HATE CRIMEs committed against that Knoxville, TN couple, over a decade ago.........the BU professor deemed it, along with his peer reviewers :roll: as NOT news worthy stories. But a "typical" stabbing, murder of one single person, is above the fold headline grabbing? Huh?
Could you post a link to the article where the 13 year old is quoted? Thanks. My daughter just arrived back in town and this incident was the first thing we talked to her about when she got in the car as she is about the same age and travels.
But Assistant Corporation Counsel Rachel Glantz, acting as prosecutor, told the court that the suspect implicated himself when he admitted to detectives that he and two other teens were in the park to rob somebody.

"He described how they followed a white male but for whatever reason they decided not to rob him," Glantz said. "Then he told detectives that he later picked up a knife and handed it to another individual. It is reasonable to infer that when the knife was picked up that it would be used in the course of a robbery."


que the "don't really care that much to bother" response.
I am not going to bother with stupidty.

Re: media matters

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:10 pm
by ABV 8.3%
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:11 pm
ABV 8.3% wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:03 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:50 pm
ABV 8.3% wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:44 pm OH....and to the loser cop that said the Barnard "murder gone wrong" , wtfdtem.......b/c they "only" robbed them. Idiotic thing to say in the first place. nihilism

But, if the POT you claim she was seeking was LEGAL.....and cheap.... not that that was her problem, but legal.........NONE of this would have happened. b/c polar bear knockout IS extinct, or nevah existed, right?

But, than the media ignores, and according to a Boston University journalism professor (wonder if AOC evah took his class ) , the disgusting HATE CRIMEs committed against that Knoxville, TN couple, over a decade ago.........the BU professor deemed it, along with his peer reviewers :roll: as NOT news worthy stories. But a "typical" stabbing, murder of one single person, is above the fold headline grabbing? Huh?
Could you post a link to the article where the 13 year old is quoted? Thanks. My daughter just arrived back in town and this incident was the first thing we talked to her about when she got in the car as she is about the same age and travels.
But Assistant Corporation Counsel Rachel Glantz, acting as prosecutor, told the court that the suspect implicated himself when he admitted to detectives that he and two other teens were in the park to rob somebody.

"He described how they followed a white male but for whatever reason they decided not to rob him," Glantz said. "Then he told detectives that he later picked up a knife and handed it to another individual. It is reasonable to infer that when the knife was picked up that it would be used in the course of a robbery."


que the "don't really care that much to bother" response.
I am not going to bother with stupidty.
wow.......you asked.

to the other 3 people that may read this question: Why was the descriptor "white" used by the Prosecutor? At all ? It is almost exclusively left out of items that actually make it into the news. Why did Glantz emphasize it ? TTTT;s knows better.



And the white privilege narrative, the the NYTIMES is showing it's true colors. and TLD don't care about that either.
(it IS a local story, after all. :roll: Can't Bloomie send armed Columbia security cops into the park, stop, and frisk any black kid in the area. That will show em.

Re: media matters

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:34 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
ABV 8.3% wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:10 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:11 pm
ABV 8.3% wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:03 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:50 pm
ABV 8.3% wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:44 pm OH....and to the loser cop that said the Barnard "murder gone wrong" , wtfdtem.......b/c they "only" robbed them. Idiotic thing to say in the first place. nihilism

But, if the POT you claim she was seeking was LEGAL.....and cheap.... not that that was her problem, but legal.........NONE of this would have happened. b/c polar bear knockout IS extinct, or nevah existed, right?

But, than the media ignores, and according to a Boston University journalism professor (wonder if AOC evah took his class ) , the disgusting HATE CRIMEs committed against that Knoxville, TN couple, over a decade ago.........the BU professor deemed it, along with his peer reviewers :roll: as NOT news worthy stories. But a "typical" stabbing, murder of one single person, is above the fold headline grabbing? Huh?
Could you post a link to the article where the 13 year old is quoted? Thanks. My daughter just arrived back in town and this incident was the first thing we talked to her about when she got in the car as she is about the same age and travels.
But Assistant Corporation Counsel Rachel Glantz, acting as prosecutor, told the court that the suspect implicated himself when he admitted to detectives that he and two other teens were in the park to rob somebody.

"He described how they followed a white male but for whatever reason they decided not to rob him," Glantz said. "Then he told detectives that he later picked up a knife and handed it to another individual. It is reasonable to infer that when the knife was picked up that it would be used in the course of a robbery."


que the "don't really care that much to bother" response.
I am not going to bother with stupidty.
wow.......you asked.

to the other 3 people that may read this question: Why was the descriptor "white" used by the Prosecutor? At all ? It is almost exclusively left out of items that actually make it into the news. Why did Glantz emphasize it ? TTTT;s knows better.



And the white privilege narrative, the the NYTIMES is showing it's true colors. and TLD don't care about that either.
(it IS a local story, after all. :roll: Can't Bloomie send armed Columbia security cops into the park, stop, and frisk any black kid in the area. That will show em.
Black Male / White Male/ Hispanic Male / Asian Male are all police nomenclature. Ask the police. With all the real hate crime you can do better. Look no further than Jersey City.

PS.... Did it ever dawn on you that the description may draw in other witnesses? Or what about the kid saying this.."first we looked at a guy wearing jeans and a black bubble jacket".... that's helpful to the police.....

Re: media matters

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:52 pm
by ABV 8.3%
What's up with VOX, one of the pretends favorite website slave owners, wants writers to work for free. Kind of like us. Without us....well, you know. But something about the pretends passing an employment law, requiring.....oh, why bother. Dems are good. Only them. Except Tulsi

Re: media matters

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:01 pm
by ABV 8.3%
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:34 pm
ABV 8.3% wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:10 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:11 pm
ABV 8.3% wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:03 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:50 pm
ABV 8.3% wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:44 pm OH....and to the loser cop that said the Barnard "murder gone wrong" , wtfdtem.......b/c they "only" robbed them. Idiotic thing to say in the first place. nihilism

But, if the POT you claim she was seeking was LEGAL.....and cheap.... not that that was her problem, but legal.........NONE of this would have happened. b/c polar bear knockout IS extinct, or nevah existed, right?

But, than the media ignores, and according to a Boston University journalism professor (wonder if AOC evah took his class ) , the disgusting HATE CRIMEs committed against that Knoxville, TN couple, over a decade ago.........the BU professor deemed it, along with his peer reviewers :roll: as NOT news worthy stories. But a "typical" stabbing, murder of one single person, is above the fold headline grabbing? Huh?
Could you post a link to the article where the 13 year old is quoted? Thanks. My daughter just arrived back in town and this incident was the first thing we talked to her about when she got in the car as she is about the same age and travels.
But Assistant Corporation Counsel Rachel Glantz, acting as prosecutor, told the court that the suspect implicated himself when he admitted to detectives that he and two other teens were in the park to rob somebody.

"He described how they followed a white male but for whatever reason they decided not to rob him," Glantz said. "Then he told detectives that he later picked up a knife and handed it to another individual. It is reasonable to infer that when the knife was picked up that it would be used in the course of a robbery."


que the "don't really care that much to bother" response.
I am not going to bother with stupidty.
wow.......you asked.

to the other 3 people that may read this question: Why was the descriptor "white" used by the Prosecutor? At all ? It is almost exclusively left out of items that actually make it into the news. Why did Glantz emphasize it ? TTTT;s knows better.



And the white privilege narrative, the the NYTIMES is showing it's true colors. and TLD don't care about that either.
(it IS a local story, after all. :roll: Can't Bloomie send armed Columbia security cops into the park, stop, and frisk any black kid in the area. That will show em.
Black Male / White Male/ Hispanic Male / Asian Male are all police nomenclature. Ask the police. With all the real hate crime you can do better. Look no further than Jersey City.

PS.... Did it ever dawn on you that the description may draw in other witnesses? Or what about the kid saying this.."first we looked at a guy wearing jeans and a black bubble jacket".... that's helpful to the police.....
My, do we really have to go down this path again. Pathetic proof? While it's not in any of the "style" books IE: do you capitolize the p in President. I always do. Pretends do NOT capitolize the p in President. They did in 2016. Pathetic.

But, that's not the proof. Black on white crime, what you describe is often "stylized". In other words, ommitted. Same news outlet.


survey/quiz:
Which of the following statements would you NEVAH read in a WashingPost or NYTimes?

Cop shoots unarmed BLACK man
WHite cop shoots unarmed man
Black cop shoot unarmed WHITE man
or
man beaten by gang of teens, nevah any mention of race.

Remember that US Marine, beaten in a McD's, next to the FBI. Race mentioned ? It's an exercise in futility. Evidence bordering on avalanche levels, regarding the narrative. In so many stories.

Why don't YOU ask the teen (Barnard murder ) if they were only targeting white victims........but even if he said yes, you would say, "don't care anyway.....there's a great BBq place near Barnard....and go from there. :D

Re: media matters

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:09 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
ABV 8.3% wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:01 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:34 pm
ABV 8.3% wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:10 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:11 pm
ABV 8.3% wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:03 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:50 pm
ABV 8.3% wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:44 pm OH....and to the loser cop that said the Barnard "murder gone wrong" , wtfdtem.......b/c they "only" robbed them. Idiotic thing to say in the first place. nihilism

But, if the POT you claim she was seeking was LEGAL.....and cheap.... not that that was her problem, but legal.........NONE of this would have happened. b/c polar bear knockout IS extinct, or nevah existed, right?

But, than the media ignores, and according to a Boston University journalism professor (wonder if AOC evah took his class ) , the disgusting HATE CRIMEs committed against that Knoxville, TN couple, over a decade ago.........the BU professor deemed it, along with his peer reviewers :roll: as NOT news worthy stories. But a "typical" stabbing, murder of one single person, is above the fold headline grabbing? Huh?
Could you post a link to the article where the 13 year old is quoted? Thanks. My daughter just arrived back in town and this incident was the first thing we talked to her about when she got in the car as she is about the same age and travels.
But Assistant Corporation Counsel Rachel Glantz, acting as prosecutor, told the court that the suspect implicated himself when he admitted to detectives that he and two other teens were in the park to rob somebody.

"He described how they followed a white male but for whatever reason they decided not to rob him," Glantz said. "Then he told detectives that he later picked up a knife and handed it to another individual. It is reasonable to infer that when the knife was picked up that it would be used in the course of a robbery."


que the "don't really care that much to bother" response.
I am not going to bother with stupidty.
wow.......you asked.

to the other 3 people that may read this question: Why was the descriptor "white" used by the Prosecutor? At all ? It is almost exclusively left out of items that actually make it into the news. Why did Glantz emphasize it ? TTTT;s knows better.



And the white privilege narrative, the the NYTIMES is showing it's true colors. and TLD don't care about that either.
(it IS a local story, after all. :roll: Can't Bloomie send armed Columbia security cops into the park, stop, and frisk any black kid in the area. That will show em.
Black Male / White Male/ Hispanic Male / Asian Male are all police nomenclature. Ask the police. With all the real hate crime you can do better. Look no further than Jersey City.

PS.... Did it ever dawn on you that the description may draw in other witnesses? Or what about the kid saying this.."first we looked at a guy wearing jeans and a black bubble jacket".... that's helpful to the police.....
My, do we really have to go down this path again. Pathetic proof? While it's not in any of the "style" books IE: do you capitolize the p in President. I always do. Pretends do NOT capitolize the p in President. They did in 2016. Pathetic.

But, that's not the proof. Black on white crime, what you describe is often "stylized". In other words, ommitted. Same news outlet.


survey/quiz:
Which of the following statements would you NEVAH read in a WashingPost or NYTimes?

Cop shoots unarmed BLACK man
WHite cop shoots unarmed man
Black cop shoot unarmed WHITE man
or
man beaten by gang of teens, nevah any mention of race.

Remember that US Marine, beaten in a McD's, next to the FBI. Race mentioned ? It's an exercise in futility. Evidence bordering on avalanche levels, regarding the narrative. In so many stories.

Why don't YOU ask the teen (Barnard murder ) if they were only targeting white victims........but even if he said yes, you would say, "don't care anyway.....there's a great BBq place near Barnard....and go from there. :D
Ask the police if they asked them. I can only comment on what you posted. They very well may have been targeting white people. I don't know why the NYT and WP sensationalize headlines with race, ask the editor. My guess is that it sells more papers. Anyway, what in my statements above was factually incorrect or not logical? I don't know if there is a FOIA for police reports but write the precinct and get a transcript of the police interview and report back here..... what I also imagine is that the family of that poor student would not feel better if a white kid had stabbed their daughter. Pick another target for under reported "hate crimes". I am not going to reply to anymore "stupidness" on the topic here.

Re: media matters

Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:04 pm
by ABV 8.3%
Some sickening msnbc show had Mike Bennett on last nite......you could just imagine the producers/directors head exploding in the control room.

"...CUT him off " into the talking heads ear " pull the WE HAVE TO MOVE ON tactic" They were panicking.

Why?

Because Bennett was putting a positive spin on Congress' recent work. Proof that they can be productive, work together.

In other words, Bennett wasn't fitting msnbcs** narrative of DIVISION. He won't be on as a guest for a very long time.

**taking care of a dying relative. msnbc is on most of the time. Would maybe watch, as a total, less than an hour of this network. It really, really is horrible. Spew lies, innuendo's Rarely anything of substance. Even more rare is having different viewpoints. And talk about divisive. Amazed people watch this crap.

Re: media matters

Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:12 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
ABV 8.3% wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:04 pm Some sickening msnbc show had Mike Bennett on last nite......you could just imagine the producers/directors head exploding in the control room.

"...CUT him off " into the talking heads ear " pull the WE HAVE TO MOVE ON tactic" They were panicking.

Why?

Because Bennett was putting a positive spin on Congress' recent work. Proof that they can be productive, work together.

In other words, Bennett wasn't fitting msnbcs** narrative of DIVISION. He won't be on as a guest for a very long time.

**taking care of a dying relative. msnbc is on most of the time. Would maybe watch, as a total, less than an hour of this network. It really, really is horrible. Spew lies, innuendo's Rarely anything of substance. Even more rare is having different viewpoints. And talk about divisive. Amazed people watch this dump.
Yep. You can imagine it.

Re: media matters

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 8:16 am
by seacoaster
Pretty interesting take on the media and reporting in an age when, to a large percentage of people, the facts -- even proven, clear facts -- don't matter:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyl ... story.html

"Equating the unequal: In an unceasing effort to be seen as neutral, journalists time after time fell into the trap of presenting facts and lies as roughly equivalent and then blaming political tribalism for not seeming to know the difference.

“Too much coverage seems to have got stuck in a feedback loop,” wrote Jon Allsop in Columbia Journalism Review. “We’re telling the public that politicians aren’t budging from their partisan siloes, and vice versa, with the facts of what Trump actually did getting lost somewhere in the cycle. The cult of ‘both sides’ is integral to this dynamic, and it’s serving the impeachment story poorly.”

Other critics, including the Atlantic’s James Fallows, NYU’s Jay Rosen and Dan Froomkin of Press Watch, among others, pointed particularly at the New York Times.

However, the problem is broader and deeper. Watch the broadcast evening news for a couple of nights in a row and, to varying degrees, you’ll see it in action: The Democrats said this; the Republicans said that; we don’t know — it’s so tribal! — so you decide.

The “pizazz” and “polarization” problems: The first hearings, featuring State Department officials William B. Taylor Jr. and George Kent, failed to provide adequate thrills for some, despite their helpfulness in establishing that Trump had strong-armed Ukraine for political favors.

Some news organizations seemed to join with President Trump in dubbing them dull — a “#snoozefest” as his son Eric saw it.

NBC News tweeted that the first hearings lacked “pizazz,” and though this was mockable enough to create an Internet meme, it did speak to a serious issue: the expectation that every major news event should offer drama in the style of a reality TV show.

Author Jennifer Weiner warned in a Times opinion piece: “If we keep insisting that impeachment has to entertain us, we’re going to channel-surf our way right out of our democracy.”

When that excitement level isn’t met, the media often steps in to provide it. That takes the form of dramatizing the nation’s polarization, compete with laments about “divided America.” But, as lawyer and commenter David A. Love put it, that’s both accurate and a flawed lens: “When part of the nation supports authoritarianism . . . I’d hope there’s some division. It’s not like we’re arguing over what we’re having for dinner.”

What went right: For Americans who were truly interested and willing to do some of the work of being informed, the facts underlying impeachment — and plenty of opinions — were readily available. They might have had to do some comparing and contrasting of news outlets and varying views, and to pay careful attention to the hearings themselves.

That was fully possible.

The broadcast networks rightly abandoned a great deal of their regular programming to air day after day of hearings. CBS Evening News, which recently moved to Washington from New York, gave its full 30-minute broadcast on Wednesday to impeachment coverage.

The four national newspapers gave the hearings voluminous coverage for weeks — and their editorial boards eventually all wrote in support or opposition. The Washington Post, USA Today and the Times all made strong cases for impeachment. By contrast, the Wall Street Journal, whose board has steadily opposed impeachment, took a swipe at the “impeachment press” and went further: “Based on the House evidence, Senators are justified in voting to acquit without hearing anyone.”

Coverage aplenty. Opinions unending.

As for plain old facts — like the ones mentioned by Carol in Battle Creek?

You certainly could find them amid the lush forest of words and views, but you might have to cut through a lot of brush first.`

Re: media matters

Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:05 pm
by seacoaster
Wasn't sure where to put this pretty interesting article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... ell-apart/

"Claims in the 35-page [Steele] dossier fell into three pails, according to the report: “The FBI concluded, among other things, that although consistent with known efforts by Russia to interfere in the 2016 U.S. elections, much of the material in the Steele election reports, including allegations about Donald Trump and members of the Trump campaign relied upon in the Carter Page FISA applications, could not be corroborated; that certain allegations were inaccurate or inconsistent with information gathered by the Crossfire Hurricane team; and that the limited information that was corroborated related to time, location and title information, much of which was publicly available.”

The Horowitz team didn’t attempt an independent fact-check of the dossier, opting instead to report what the FBI had concluded about the document. Unflattering revelations pop up at every turn in the 400-page-plus report. It reveals that the CIA considered it a hodgepodge of “internet rumor”; that the FBI considered one of its central allegations — that former Trump attorney Michael Cohen had traveled to Prague for a collusive meeting with Russians — “not true”; that Steele’s sources weren’t quite a crack international spy team. After the 2016 election, for instance, Steele directed his primary source to seek corroboration of the claims. “According to [an FBI official], during an interview in May 2017, the Primary Sub-source said the corroboration was ‘zero,’” reads the report.

The ubiquity of Horowitz’s debunking passages suggests that he wanted the public to come away with the impression that the dossier was a flabby, hasty, precipitous, conclusory charade of a document. Viewers of certain MSNBC fare were surely blindsided by the news, if they ever even heard it.

Name a host on cable news who has dug more deeply into Trump-Russia than MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow. She’s read hundreds, maybe thousands, of court filings; she’s read the plume of literature on Russia-Trump; and she’s out with a new book on the bane of petro-states: “Blowout: Corrupted Democracy, Rogue State Russia, and the Richest, Most Destructive Industry on Earth.”

As part of her Russianist phase, Maddow became a clearinghouse for news increments regarding the dossier. Just days after BuzzFeed published the dossier in its entirety, she reported on the frustration of congressional Democrats with then-FBI Director James B. Comey, who was declining to divulge whether his people had opened an investigation into possible coordination between Russia and the 2016 Trump presidential campaign.

Sorting through the silence from the FBI and the unverified claims in the dossier, Maddow riffed on her Jan. 13, 2017, program: “I mean, had the FBI looked into what was in that dossier and found that it was all patently false, they could tell us that now, right?” said Maddow. “I mean, the dossier has now been publicly released. If the FBI looked into it and they found it was all trash, there’s no reason they can’t tell us that now. They’re not telling us that now. They’re not saying that. They’re not saying anything.”

That line of analysis has gained some important context via the Horowitz report. The FBI did, in fact, find “potentially serious problems” with Steele’s reporting as early as January 2017. A source review in March 2017 “did not make any findings that would have altered that judgment.”

It was dossier season, in any case, for Maddow.

In March 2017, the host glommed onto recent reporting by CNN and the New Yorker to the effect that U.S. authorities had confirmed that “some of the conversations described in the dossier took place between the same individuals on the same days and from the same locations as detailed in the dossier,” according to CNN. The New Yorker wrote that U.S. intelligence had confirmed “some of its less explosive claims, relating to conversations with foreign nationals.” The “baseline” claim of the dossier — that the Trump campaign and Russia participated in a towering election conspiracy — hadn’t yet borne out, conceded Maddow. “But even if that is as yet in itself uncorroborated and undocumented,” she said, “all the supporting details are checking out, even the really outrageous ones. A lot of them are starting to bear out under scrutiny. It seems like a new one each passing day.”

....

The case for Maddow is that her dossier coverage stemmed from public documents, congressional proceedings and published reports from outlets with solid investigative histories. She included warnings about the unverified assertions and didn’t use the dossier as a source for wild claims. There is something fishy, furthermore, about that Mueller footnote regarding the “tapes.” In their recent book on the dossier, “Crime in Progress,” the Fusion GPS co-founders wrote that Steele believes the document is 70-percent accurate.

The case against Maddow is far stronger. When small bits of news arose in favor of the dossier, the franchise MSNBC host pumped air into them. At least some of her many fans surely came away from her broadcasts thinking the dossier was a serious piece of investigative research, not the flimflam, quick-twitch game of telephone outlined in the Horowitz report. She seemed to be rooting for the document.

And when large bits of news arose against the dossier, Maddow found other topics more compelling.

She was there for the bunkings, absent for the debunkings — a pattern of misleading and dishonest asymmetry.

In an October edition of the podcast “Skullduggery,” Michael Isikoff of Yahoo News pressed Maddow on her show’s approach to Russia. Here’s a key exchange:

Isikoff: Do you accept that there are times that you overstated what the evidence was and you made claims and suggestions that Trump was totally in Vladimir Putin’s pocket and they had something on him and that he was perhaps a Russian asset and we can’t really conclude that?

Maddow: What have I claimed that’s been disproven?

Isikoff: Well, you’ve given a lot of credence to the Steele dossier.

Maddow: I have?

Isikoff: Well, you’ve talked about it quite a bit, I mean, you’ve suggested it.

Maddow: I feel like you’re arguing about impressions of me, rather than actually basing this on something you’ve seen or heard me do.
After some back and forth about particulars of the Mueller report and the dossier with Isikoff, Maddow ripped: “You’re trying to litigate the Steele dossier through me as if I am the embodiment of the Steele dossier, which I think is creepy, and I think it’s unwarranted. And it’s not like I’ve been making the case for the accuracy of the Steele dossier and that’s been the basis of my Russia reporting. That’s just not true.”

Asked to comment on how she approached the dossier, Maddow declined to provide an on-the-record response to the Erik Wemple Blog."

Re: media matters

Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 4:53 pm
by Trinity
The guys from Fusion GPS (former WSJ reporters) have a book out that explains in detail the life of the Dossier. McCain showed it to Lindsey who said to call the cops. Nobody ever says Trump wouldn’t do this stuff, btw, just that the evidence is sketchy. Why does Keith Schiller still get paid?

Re: media matters

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:53 am
by seacoaster
Nice summation of the decade:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... e=Homepage

"MEANWHILE, TECTONIC SHIFTS were occurring in technology: Not just game-changing developments in artificial intelligence, genetic research and space exploration, but also new platforms, apps and gadgets that almost immediately altered people’s daily habits, including Instagram (2010), Snapchat (2011), the iPad (2010), Uber (2009), and digital assistants Siri (2011) and Alexa (2014). In these years, we also developed a growing appreciation of technology’s dark side: Gamergate, N.S.A. surveillance, Russian attacks on our elections, the fear that you might not only lose your job to a stranger on the other side of the planet, but also to robots in your hometown.

In the 2010s, we also became addicted to podcasts, and binge-watching became a thing. In fact, immersion or escape into compelling fictional worlds seemed to be one strategy people were embracing to cope with political outrage fatigue. Perhaps this also explains why nostalgia became so popular in the 2010s with reboots and returns of old television shows like “Mad About You,” “Twin Peaks,” “The X-Files,” “Dynasty,” “Lost in Space,” “Roseanne,” “Will & Grace,” “Gilmore Girls” and “The Odd Couple” — a phenomenon that’s both a reflection of the retro-mania catalyzed by the endless availability of old content on the web and a longing for older, saner times.

With his calls to “Make America Great Again,” Mr. Trump appealed to a different sort of nostalgia — for an era when white men were in charge and women, African Americans, Hispanics and immigrants knew their place.

At the same time, Mr. Trump and his campaign revived the culture wars of the 1960s and ’70s, and politicized everything from football and Starbucks coffee cups (criticized by some evangelicals for being too secular and part of the “war on Christmas”) to plastic straws and windmills. It might have been funny if we were living in a satirical novel, not in the real world with a former reality TV star as president.

In his insightful forthcoming book, “Why We’re Polarized,” Ezra Klein observes that “our partisan identities have merged with our racial, religious, geographic, ideological, and cultural identities.” This is coming at a moment when the nation’s demographics are rapidly changing — census statistics project that America will become “minority white” in 2045 — and putting more emphasis than ever on questions of identity. Our political identities have become so crucial to us, Mr. Klein writes, that “we will justify almost anything or anyone so long as it helps our side, and the result is a politics devoid of guardrails, standards, persuasion, or accountability.”

It’s a measure of just how partisan our politics has become that most Republicans now reflexively support Mr. Trump — despite broken promises, ballooning deficits, and tariffs that have hurt Americans, never mind the astonishing volume of lies he emits. Many Trump supporters inhabit a soundproofed echo chamber: A 2017 study, published in the Columbia Journalism Review, found that pro-Trump audiences got most of their information from an insulated media system, anchored around Breitbart News, that reinforced “the shared worldview of readers” and shielded “them from journalism that challenged it.”

No surprise, then, that the president’s hard-core supporters stubbornly repeat the lies and conspiracy theories that cycle through his Twitter feed, connecting him with Russian trolls, white nationalists and random crackpots, or that Mr. Trump’s assertions and fictional narratives are amplified further by Republican politicians and the right-wing media noise machine.

Social media, which came into its own in the 2010s, accelerated the filter bubble effect further, as algorithms designed to maximize user “engagement” (and therefore maximize ad revenues) fed people customized data and ads that tended to reinforce their existing beliefs and interests. This is why Republicans and Democrats, conservatives and liberals, increasingly have trouble even agreeing upon shared facts — a development that has undermined trust between different groups, fueled incivility and sped up the niche-ification of culture that began years ago with the advent of cable television and the internet.

In addition, platforms like Facebook, Twitter and Instagram have enabled politicians (as well as advertisers, Russian agents and alt-right conspiracy theorists) to circumvent gatekeepers like the mainstream media and reach out directly to voters. “Influencers” replaced experts, scientists and scholars; memes and misinformation started to displace facts. As the news cycle spun faster and faster, our brains struggled to cope with the flood of data and distraction that endlessly spilled from our phones. And in an era of data overload and short attention spans, it’s not the most reliable, trustworthy material that goes viral — it’s the loudest voices, the angriest, most outrageous posts that get clicked and shared.

Without reliable information, citizens cannot make informed decisions about the issues of the day, and we cannot hold politicians to account. Without commonly agreed upon facts, we cannot have reasoned debates with other voters and instead become susceptible to the fear-mongering of demagogues. When politicians constantly lie, overwhelming and exhausting us while insinuating that everyone is dishonest and corrupt, the danger is that we grow so weary and cynical that we withdraw from civic engagement. And if we fail to engage in the political process — or reflexively support the individual from “our” party while reflexively dismissing the views of others — then we are abdicating common sense and our responsibility as citizens.

In his wise and astonishingly prescient “Farewell Address,” from 1796, George Washington spoke of the dangers he saw the young new nation facing in the future. He warned against “the insidious wiles of foreign influence,” “the impostures of pretended patriotism,” and, most insistently, of “the baneful effects of the spirit of party” — imploring his fellow citizens not to let partisan or geographic differences plant seeds of mistrust among those who “ought to be bound together by fraternal affection.”

Every portion of the country, he wrote, should remember: “You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together; the independence and liberty you possess are the work of joint counsels, and joint efforts of common dangers, sufferings, and successes.” Citizens, he urged, must indignantly frown “upon the first dawning of every attempt to alienate any portion of our country from the rest, or to enfeeble the sacred ties which now link together the various parts.”

Re: media matters

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:44 am
by Kismet
Watch Megyn Kelly's piece on the movie Bombshell and interview with three other women who lived it with her at Fox



Stunning and disgusting.

Ms. Kelly admits "twirling" for Ailes.

Re: media matters

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:54 am
by cradleandshoot
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wash ... people-off I have not been much of a Brokaw fan but he sure nailed what is wrong with the MSM today.

Re: media matters

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:29 am
by MDlaxfan76
Kismet wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:44 am Watch Megyn Kelly's piece on the movie Bombshell and interview with three other women who lived it with her at Fox



Stunning and disgusting.

Ms. Kelly admits "twirling" for Ailes.
Thanks for posting.

Re: media matters

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:49 am
by MDlaxfan76
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:54 am https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wash ... people-off I have not been much of a Brokaw fan but he sure nailed what is wrong with the MSM today.
Cradle,
He uses the term, "current media", not Main Stream Media (MSM). Meaning including every piece of trash and propaganda, left and right, that comes through your facebook, Twitter, youtube, instagram, as well as TV. The dispersion has created great diversity, but a loss of expectation of journalistic ethics, and an emphasis on audience engagement rather than education.

"MSM" generally means (according to Fox hosts) the major news networks (except for Fox, certainly not OANN), the major newspapers (WAPO, NYT, WSJ, USAToday, etc but not the rags), a few magazines. What they really mean is those who still hold themselves out (reasonably) as actually having journalistic standards, yet are 'liberal' from the perspective of the hard right.

Brokaw, however, is talking about the full spectrum of "current media".

“I think the most extraordinarily powerful tool and the most destructive development in modern life is the current media,” said the author and TV Hall of Famer.

In an interview with Artful Living shared with Secrets, he criticized the dividing nature of media and questioned if it can change.

“Everybody has a voice — and I think it’s great for people to have a voice — but there’s no way to verify what’s true and what’s not. It has no context; it’s just a 24/7 rage about what’s pissing people off across the board from the left to the right,” he told the Minneapolis-based lifestyle magazine.


It's not 100% clear that he includes all media outlets as "24-7 rage", indeed he undoubtedly believes there are gradations of such. But I'd bet that he includes his own network, NBC, especially MSNBC, as one of the contributors. It's clear, to me, that he's not giving a pass to the "MSM" TV shows, especially the endless opinion shows.

Indeed, any reasonable perspective would agree that as cable created the opportunity for "24-7" the need to fill the time led to far less editorial restriction on what is aired and what is not. When you only had a half hour to do national news, you edited that down to the bare essential. In this 24-7 world, you're competing for those eyeballs with opinion and argumentation.

Re: media matters

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:53 am
by seacoaster
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:49 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:54 am https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wash ... people-off I have not been much of a Brokaw fan but he sure nailed what is wrong with the MSM today.
Cradle,
He uses the term, "current media", not Main Stream Media (MSM). Meaning including every piece of trash and propaganda, left and right, that comes through your facebook, Twitter, youtube, instagram, as well as TV. The dispersion has created great diversity, but a loss of expectation of journalistic ethics, and an emphasis on audience engagement rather than education.

"MSM" generally means (according to Fox hosts) the major news networks (except for Fox, certainly not OANN), the major newspapers (WAPO, NYT, WSJ, USAToday, etc but not the rags), a few magazines. What they really mean is those who still hold themselves out (reasonably) as actually having journalistic standards, yet are 'liberal' from the perspective of the hard right.

Brokaw, however, is talking about the full spectrum of "current media".

“I think the most extraordinarily powerful tool and the most destructive development in modern life is the current media,” said the author and TV Hall of Famer.

In an interview with Artful Living shared with Secrets, he criticized the dividing nature of media and questioned if it can change.

“Everybody has a voice — and I think it’s great for people to have a voice — but there’s no way to verify what’s true and what’s not. It has no context; it’s just a 24/7 rage about what’s pissing people off across the board from the left to the right,” he told the Minneapolis-based lifestyle magazine.


It's not 100% clear that he includes all media outlets as "24-7 rage", indeed he undoubtedly believes there are gradations of such. But I'd bet that he includes his own network, NBC, especially MSNBC, as one of the contributors. It's clear, to me, that he's not giving a pass to the "MSM" TV shows, especially the endless opinion shows.

Indeed, any reasonable perspective would agree that as cable created the opportunity for "24-7" the need to fill the time led to far less editorial restriction on what is aired and what is not. When you only had a half hour to do national news, you edited that down to the bare essential. In this 24-7 world, you're competing for those eyeballs with opinion and argumentation.
Yeah, he is not talking about the "MSM" at all. He's talking about the fractured, zero-barriers to entry "news" market, where everything is said and nothing can be confirmed -- where everything is "facts."