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joewillie78 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 7:18 pm

Finster wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:59 pm

jrn19 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:49 pm If he’s re-signed he’s not going to be on the hot seat. They have the chance to move on right now, free of cost. They’re not going to pay to get rid of him and pay to hire a new coach next year. Either he’s gone this year or he’s at UNC for the long haul.

If he’s let go, what then becomes of Duffy? I assume he’s free to look around at that stage. Carolina’s AD will take it all in consideration. But maybe they offer Joe a one year extension? Or a two year deal, instead of five?

Notre Dame will have a lot to say about Joes future. I’m somewhat surprised the coaches poll has Carolina at 14.

Fin, what position did you play at Syracuse? From most of your expert analysis, I would guess either LSM, or SSDM given your attention to small things (that are big) like GB's, wing play and turnovers.
I hope you don't take my inquiry as prodding or personal, as it's just simply curiosity.
I played (rarely) attack in HS on Long Island and I stunk but loved to play.
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Joewillie78

jrn19 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:52 am

Finster wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:59 pm

jrn19 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:49 pm If he’s re-signed he’s not going to be on the hot seat. They have the chance to move on right now, free of cost. They’re not going to pay to get rid of him and pay to hire a new coach next year. Either he’s gone this year or he’s at UNC for the long haul.

If he’s let go, what then becomes of Duffy? I assume he’s free to look around at that stage. Carolina’s AD will take it all in consideration. But maybe they offer Joe a one year extension? Or a two year deal, instead of five?

Notre Dame will have a lot to say about Joes future. I’m somewhat surprised the coaches poll has Carolina at 14.

Carolina gets top recruits every year. Their current freshmen class right now had two Top 10 recruits, both attackmen; Dom Petro was ranked higher in his class per IL than Duffy is. The class before that had 5 Top 20 recruits, all 5-stars. 1 recruit isn’t a consideration.

Finster wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:40 am

joewillie78 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 7:18 pm

Finster wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:59 pm

jrn19 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:49 pm If he’s re-signed he’s not going to be on the hot seat. They have the chance to move on right now, free of cost. They’re not going to pay to get rid of him and pay to hire a new coach next year. Either he’s gone this year or he’s at UNC for the long haul.

If he’s let go, what then becomes of Duffy? I assume he’s free to look around at that stage. Carolina’s AD will take it all in consideration. But maybe they offer Joe a one year extension? Or a two year deal, instead of five?

Notre Dame will have a lot to say about Joes future. I’m somewhat surprised the coaches poll has Carolina at 14.

Fin, what position did you play at Syracuse? From most of your expert analysis, I would guess either LSM, or SSDM given your attention to small things (that are big) like GB's, wing play and turnovers.
I hope you don't take my inquiry as prodding or personal, as it's just simply curiosity.
I played (rarely) attack in HS on Long Island and I stunk but loved to play.
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Joewillie78

Actually, it’s pretty much only the ‘little things’ that I tend to look at in any game. Running to the end line first for control of ball is something that shows you which team came to play, or alternately, which team didn’t. From a bigger picture, those little things can tell you about a team’s culture, and whether I’d personally be psyched to be part of, or not. I played attack. And this weekend I get my first chance to see in person both Spallina and Thomson, so really looking forward to that.

10 10 2 wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 5:41 pm Looks like Breschi will be staying as HC. Details of the contract will be announced "soon".

10stone5 wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 5:55 pm Good,

give him a couple more years, maybe some assistant changes.

Lewisfrederick wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 11:50 pm

10 10 2 wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 5:41 pm Looks like Breschi will be staying as HC. Details of the contract will be announced "soon".

Wow…. What a disastrous decision. We will be the doormat of the ACC and likely not make another tournament.

Genuine question… between now and the end of Breschi’s new contract who do you think we make the tournament again???

I think the women’s team will have more national championships than the men’s team will have NCAA tournament wins between now and than.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 9:46 am there was a time when virtually no one, outside of hopkins, was fired for producing less than stellar or potential results in college lacrosse. dark ages, maybe, and obviously times and circumstances change. but that legacy is still there to a degree, relating it to say... football and basketball.

the hamster wheel that is the big time sports coaching carousel, to me at least, spits out a lot of chasing maveriks. surely a study can or has been done, to me it looks like there's a lot of chasing your tail. new staffs, new ad's, buyouts, turnover on virtually everything to placate and market the shiny new thing. for every success story, there are likely multiples (5x? 10x?) of look backs that are nothing but spinning wheels.

of course, people can get stale and complacent and be bad fits, tho i'm not sure we're not better off in lacrosse than having a constant carousel going. no, it shouldn't be a lifetime appointment. what are the university goals?

if assistants aren't pulling their weight, they're not immune. but if this ultimately is a scapegoat and lipstick thing, that's pretty sad. they typically do as much or more for a lot less.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 10:51 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 9:46 am there was a time when virtually no one, outside of hopkins, was fired for producing less than stellar or potential results in college lacrosse. dark ages, maybe, and obviously times and circumstances change. but that legacy is still there to a degree, relating it to say... football and basketball.

the hamster wheel that is the big time sports coaching carousel, to me at least, spits out a lot of chasing maveriks. surely a study can or has been done, to me it looks like there's a lot of chasing your tail. new staffs, new ad's, buyouts, turnover on virtually everything to placate and market the shiny new thing. for every success story, there are likely multiples (5x? 10x?) of look backs that are nothing but spinning wheels.

of course, people can get stale and complacent and be bad fits, tho i'm not sure we're not better off in lacrosse than having a constant carousel going. no, it shouldn't be a lifetime appointment. what are the university goals?

if assistants aren't pulling their weight, they're not immune. but if this ultimately is a scapegoat and lipstick thing, that's pretty sad. they typically do as much or more for a lot less.

I think UMD also had a track record of limited patience?

That said, I'd agree that most turnover (not caused by a coach simply moving to a higher paying program) has been when something went awry and the lacrosse program became a problem for the AD that simply doing reasonably well on the field most years didn't overcome.

I agree that scapegoating assistants is not good...indeed, usually the question is why they were chosen in the first place, how were they managed and mentored, not that it's necessarily their fault that under performance has been chronic...of course, sometimes there really is a poor fit, or the mix of coaches is 'stale', and a change is necessary.

I've seen that up pretty close with my alma mater and then at my son's program (both arguably in long stretches of 'under performance', now hopefully on the upswing) where good assistants for one reason or another left (usually for higher career opportunities in or out of lax but in one case a tragic death) and were replaced by assistants who were disasters...to me that's on the head coach to select and mentor good people. (note, some of those who choose lax coaching as a career are knuckleheads just like any field...and some of the coaches in lax would perform poorly in a business or professional setting, but were good 'athletes'...these coaches really shouldn't be managing young people in any setting, but they are...).

Seems to me this is really more about economics than anything else. In the non-revenue sports, for most schools the objective is certainly to create a program where excellence is expected and regularly achieved, but that doesn't mean dominance in a league much less nationally is required. Being competitive is required.

And what interrupts a just "competitive" is when something goes awry that makes the program a headache for the AD. Assistants can be part of a bad tone, but usually that means the head coach is allowing that to be the case.

Doesn't feel like that's the case for UNC, but perhaps there will be some turnover encouraged...but that should be up to the HC.

jrn19 wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 9:16 am Which assistant are you getting rid of? Metz or Unterstein?