Re: Transfer Portal
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:30 pm
Rumor is true.. Gallagher is going to Michigan for graduate school and lacrosse.
Rumor is true.. Gallagher is going to Michigan for graduate school and lacrosse.
That's a fair opinion. But it's just an opinion. His dad was a Terp legend when he committed to Yale and when his brother committed to Yale. It seems more like the kids are free to make their decisions independently. As a Terp fan, it would be great to see both brothers there, but I dont see how anyone can say all signs point to BJ going there when he hasn't indicated anything, at least publicly.
Yeah, that part is super annoying. Makes an otherwise excellent project really cumbersome to use.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:11 pm Very good piece. I can't look into the list much because the stupid page continually refreshes
Here's a listing of all the schools graded C- or D that have NCAA men's lacrosse programs. I can't guarantee I didn't miss anybody, and it looks like some schools weren't included in the ranking for whatever reason. Bear in mind again that this is only the private schools.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:11 pm was going to look at C- and below, Jax is in that group and basically all of DII. And of course this was written prior to the current situation which I would assume will notch everyone down one or more "grades"
Drexel has more than enough in their endowment, they were a few years away from $1 billion before this market FUBAR, to survive any consolidation, financial distress.Homer wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:58 pmYeah, that part is super annoying. Makes an otherwise excellent project really cumbersome to use.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:11 pm Very good piece. I can't look into the list much because the stupid page continually refreshes
Here's a listing of all the schools graded C- or D that have NCAA men's lacrosse programs. I can't guarantee I didn't miss anybody, and it looks like some schools weren't included in the ranking for whatever reason. Bear in mind again that this is only the private schools.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:11 pm was going to look at C- and below, Jax is in that group and basically all of DII. And of course this was written prior to the current situation which I would assume will notch everyone down one or more "grades"
C-minus
D1: St. Bonaventure, Merrimack, Drexel, Hartford, Siena
D2: Molloy, Lynn, St. Michael's, Roberts Wesleyan, Emmanuel (Ga.), Barton, Seton Hill, NYIT, Mars Hill, Indianapolis, Chowan, Dominican (NY)
D3: Ferrum, Hartwick, Virginia Wesleyan, Baldwin Wallace, Elmhurst, Emmanuel (Mass.), North Central (Minn.), Arcadia, Cabrini, Guilford, Aurora, New England College, Husson, Albright, Capital, Hood, Stevenson, Johnson & Wales (RI), Wilmington (Ohio), Alvernia, RPI, Wilkes, Bethany, William Peace, Fontbonne, Clarkson
D
D1: Canisius, Detroit Mercy, Bellarmine, Robert Morris, Mount St. Mary's
D2: St. Leo, Pace, Felician, Franklin Pierce, Mercyhurst, Tusculum, Mount Olive, Newberry, American International, Shorter, St. Rose, Alderson Broaddus, Chestnut Hill, Florida Tech
D3: Nichols, Birmingham-Southern, La Roche, Medaille, Huntingdon, Manhattanville, Mount St. Vincent, Keystone, Delaware Valley, Methodist, Becker, Centenary, Western New England, Cazenovia, Eastern, Averett, Immaculata, Thomas, Anna Maria, Thiel, Hilbert, Brevard, Drew, Concordia-Chicago, Chatham, St. Joseph's (NY), St. Joseph's (Me.), Marywood, Regis (Mass.), Keuka, Benedictine (Il.), Pfeiffer
Sub-1.0 (also D, but I'm breaking these out separately)
D1: Jacksonville
D2: Rockhurst, Lake Erie, Lenoir-Rhyne, Belmont Abbey, Wheeling
D3: Utica, Wesley, Widener, Elmira, Adrian
No problem.
It would not be shocking at all. I don't get the sense people are really grasping what the magnitude of the fallout from this is likely to be.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:42 am So I hope not, but would it be shocking if 2-3 of the group is DI there’s from C- down start dropping sports or worse even close their doors?
So this is a reply to both you and 10Stone5:Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:42 am Kind of surprised that Drexel is on the list but don’t pretend to know Jack about the institution
Endowment is only 15% of the formula used in the Forbes study. Everything else is some variation on, or input to, cash flow. If you're looking mainly at colleges with large endowments, that's crazy. If your goal is looking at the tier of schools where endowment size rounds down to "not enough" and figuring out which ones have sustainable cash flow and which ones don't, it makes sense.
No.Homer wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:20 amNo problem.
It would not be shocking at all. I don't get the sense people are really grasping what the magnitude of the fallout from this is likely to be.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:42 am So I hope not, but would it be shocking if 2-3 of the group is DI there’s from C- down start dropping sports or worse even close their doors?
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:42 am Kind of surprised that Drexel is on the list but don’t pretend to know Jack about the institution
So this is a reply to both you and 10Stone5:
Endowment is only 15% of the formula used in the Forbes study. Everything else is some variation on, or input to, cash flow. If you're looking mainly at colleges with large endowments, that's crazy. If your goal is looking at the tier of schools where endowment size rounds down to "not enough" and figuring out which ones have sustainable cash flow and which ones don't, it makes sense.
One of the things Forbes puts a heavy weight on, given that context, is yield (i.e., % of admitted students who choose your school). That's 10% of the formula. Yield matters because if it's low, that's a strong sign that the school is in the position of having to massively discount their sticker price to get people to enroll. Forbes in their article explaining their methodology specifically identifies Drexel as a school in a bad position on this metric.
Yeah, I'm just spitballin and having playing amateur detective while there's nothing to do. He could be transferring to Gettysburg for all I know. MD just seemed to make sense, whereas other ivies and Duke (already loaded with poles in his class) don't. Though I just checked out his senior highlights and he kind of looks perfect for UVA, so...keno in reno wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:29 pmThat's a fair opinion. But it's just an opinion. His dad was a Terp legend when he committed to Yale and when his brother committed to Yale. It seems more like the kids are free to make their decisions independently. As a Terp fan, it would be great to see both brothers there, but I dont see how anyone can say all signs point to BJ going there when he hasn't indicated anything, at least publicly.
Jacksonville will be worth monitoring. In December, they cited costs when they dropped their non scholarship Pioneer League football program. The lacrosse programs get great booster support, having just completed a $1.8M lacrosse-only facility. But obviously that’s irrelevant if the institution‘s viability as a whole is in jeopardy.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:42 am Thanks for that, appreciate the efforts.
So I hope not, but would it be shocking if 2-3 of the group is DI there’s from C- down start dropping sports or worse even close their doors? My concern would start obviously w Jax and have been to Bellarmine and that’s a commuter college, wouldn’t be surprised there. Potentially 1-2 more. Kind of surprised that Drexel is on the list but don’t pretend to know Jack about the institution behind we did well w one transfwr, Mark Williamson, among w Raymond’s ties there
One of Jacksonville's biggest issues with Florida parents is they are not considered top-tier academically. That might not be fair but that's the perception of parents.redfoxalum wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:01 amJacksonville will be worth monitoring. In December, they cited costs when they dropped their non scholarship Pioneer League football program. The lacrosse programs get great booster support, having just completed a $1.8M lacrosse-only facility. But obviously that’s irrelevant if the institution‘s viability as a whole is in jeopardy.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:42 am Thanks for that, appreciate the efforts.
So I hope not, but would it be shocking if 2-3 of the group is DI there’s from C- down start dropping sports or worse even close their doors? My concern would start obviously w Jax and have been to Bellarmine and that’s a commuter college, wouldn’t be surprised there. Potentially 1-2 more. Kind of surprised that Drexel is on the list but don’t pretend to know Jack about the institution behind we did well w one transfwr, Mark Williamson, among w Raymond’s ties there
Last year's DII and DIII National Champs both have C- grades, also saw former fairly recent DIII national champ Stevenson on that list.Homer wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:58 pmYeah, that part is super annoying. Makes an otherwise excellent project really cumbersome to use.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:11 pm Very good piece. I can't look into the list much because the stupid page continually refreshes
Here's a listing of all the schools graded C- or D that have NCAA men's lacrosse programs. I can't guarantee I didn't miss anybody, and it looks like some schools weren't included in the ranking for whatever reason. Bear in mind again that this is only the private schools.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:11 pm was going to look at C- and below, Jax is in that group and basically all of DII. And of course this was written prior to the current situation which I would assume will notch everyone down one or more "grades"
C-minus
D1: St. Bonaventure, Merrimack, Drexel, Hartford, Siena
D2: Molloy, Lynn, St. Michael's, Roberts Wesleyan, Emmanuel (Ga.), Barton, Seton Hill, NYIT, Mars Hill, Indianapolis, Chowan, Dominican (NY)
D3: Ferrum, Hartwick, Virginia Wesleyan, Baldwin Wallace, Elmhurst, Emmanuel (Mass.), North Central (Minn.), Arcadia, Cabrini, Guilford, Aurora, New England College, Husson, Albright, Capital, Hood, Stevenson, Johnson & Wales (RI), Wilmington (Ohio), Alvernia, RPI, Wilkes, Bethany, William Peace, Fontbonne, Clarkson
D
D1: Canisius, Detroit Mercy, Bellarmine, Robert Morris, Mount St. Mary's
D2: St. Leo, Pace, Felician, Franklin Pierce, Mercyhurst, Tusculum, Mount Olive, Newberry, American International, Shorter, St. Rose, Alderson Broaddus, Chestnut Hill, Florida Tech
D3: Nichols, Birmingham-Southern, La Roche, Medaille, Huntingdon, Manhattanville, Mount St. Vincent, Keystone, Delaware Valley, Methodist, Becker, Centenary, Western New England, Cazenovia, Eastern, Averett, Immaculata, Thomas, Anna Maria, Thiel, Hilbert, Brevard, Drew, Concordia-Chicago, Chatham, St. Joseph's (NY), St. Joseph's (Me.), Marywood, Regis (Mass.), Keuka, Benedictine (Il.), Pfeiffer
Sub-1.0 (also D, but I'm breaking these out separately)
D1: Jacksonville
D2: Rockhurst, Lake Erie, Lenoir-Rhyne, Belmont Abbey, Wheeling
D3: Utica, Wesley, Widener, Elmira, Adrian
With all due respect Jacksonville has nice weather but in regards to aesthetics may be the worst college campus I have ever been on. I know there lacrosse programs have done well but the campus is downright depressing.LRoggy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:17 pmOne of Jacksonville's biggest issues with Florida parents is they are not considered top-tier academically. That might not be fair but that's the perception of parents.redfoxalum wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:01 amJacksonville will be worth monitoring. In December, they cited costs when they dropped their non scholarship Pioneer League football program. The lacrosse programs get great booster support, having just completed a $1.8M lacrosse-only facility. But obviously that’s irrelevant if the institution‘s viability as a whole is in jeopardy.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:42 am Thanks for that, appreciate the efforts.
So I hope not, but would it be shocking if 2-3 of the group is DI there’s from C- down start dropping sports or worse even close their doors? My concern would start obviously w Jax and have been to Bellarmine and that’s a commuter college, wouldn’t be surprised there. Potentially 1-2 more. Kind of surprised that Drexel is on the list but don’t pretend to know Jack about the institution behind we did well w one transfwr, Mark Williamson, among w Raymond’s ties there
TX Twitterjrn19 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:12 pmHe goes into the portal, and then two days later his brother decommits from Yale and flips to Maryland, the same school he at one point planned on attending and their dad played at? That seems to me to be a good indication that's where he's going. Just because he de-committed once doesn't mean he won't go there now.keno in reno wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:57 pmNo disrespect, but what signs are you talking about? He de-committed from Maryland 2 years ago.jrn19 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:48 pmBrother flipped to Maryland and he was a Maryland commit at first as well. Plus their dad was a Terp great. All signs point to that being where he’s going to wind up too.AreaLax wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:20 pmHis younger brother was a commit to Yale but decommitted the next daykramerica.inc wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:15 pm BJ Burlace in the portal?
Wondering if that is a legit transfer request or just shopping. He didn't see any time at Yale this year.