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THE AFGHANISTAN PAPERS A secret history of the war
AT WAR WITH THE TRUTH
U.S. officials constantly said they were making progress. They were not, and they knew it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... documents/

Here is one to chew on this morning if impeachment hearings bore you...
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RedFromMI wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:31 am
THE AFGHANISTAN PAPERS A secret history of the war
AT WAR WITH THE TRUTH
U.S. officials constantly said they were making progress. They were not, and they knew it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... documents/

Here is one to chew on this morning if impeachment hearings bore you...
No surprise to me. The gubmint went in with both hands tied behind their back. It has been 18 years of whack a mole.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:10 am
RedFromMI wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:31 am
THE AFGHANISTAN PAPERS A secret history of the war
AT WAR WITH THE TRUTH
U.S. officials constantly said they were making progress. They were not, and they knew it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... documents/

Here is one to chew on this morning if impeachment hearings bore you...
No surprise to me. The gubmint went in with both hands tied behind their back. It has been 18 years of whack a mole.
Who has ever “won” in Afghanistan?
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:16 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:10 am
RedFromMI wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:31 am
THE AFGHANISTAN PAPERS A secret history of the war
AT WAR WITH THE TRUTH
U.S. officials constantly said they were making progress. They were not, and they knew it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... documents/

Here is one to chew on this morning if impeachment hearings bore you...
No surprise to me. The gubmint went in with both hands tied behind their back. It has been 18 years of whack a mole.
Who has ever “won” in Afghanistan?
Great question. There is no winning. In that country.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:10 am
RedFromMI wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:31 am
THE AFGHANISTAN PAPERS A secret history of the war
AT WAR WITH THE TRUTH
U.S. officials constantly said they were making progress. They were not, and they knew it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... documents/

Here is one to chew on this morning if impeachment hearings bore you...
No surprise to me. The gubmint went in with both hands tied behind their back. It has been 18 years of whack a mole.
I'm curious as to your reasoning behind this? It felt like we were doing the right things and making progress until we took our eye off the ball and got into Iraq. We had broad international support, lots of allies, and had a solid chance at making some meaningful changes at the outset of the war.
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It felt like we were doing the right things and making progress until we took our eye off the ball and got into Iraq.
Iraq was just an excuse for postponing inevitable failure in Afghanistan. Once we made the mission nation building, like guaranteeing Afghan womens rights & girls education, we were doomed to fail. Afghanistan is a permanently failed tribal state that can't be fixed. It's a perpetual crisis that can only be managed. We need to lower our aspirations & acknowledge that we'll have to maintain a military presence there for the foreseeable future, in a country where the Taliban will control large swathes of territory, which we will tolerate unless/until they give safe haven to terrorists.
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old salt wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:43 pm
It felt like we were doing the right things and making progress until we took our eye off the ball and got into Iraq.
Iraq was just an excuse for postponing inevitable failure in Afghanistan. Once we made the mission nation building, like guaranteeing Afghan womens rights & girls education, we were doomed to fail. Afghanistan is a permanently failed tribal state that can't be fixed. It's a perpetual crisis that can only be managed. We need to lower our aspirations & acknowledge that we'll have to maintain a military presence there for the foreseeable future, in a country where the Taliban will control large swathes of territory, which we will tolerate unless/until they give safe haven to terrorists.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:48 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:43 pm
It felt like we were doing the right things and making progress until we took our eye off the ball and got into Iraq.
Iraq was just an excuse for postponing inevitable failure in Afghanistan. Once we made the mission nation building, like guaranteeing Afghan womens rights & girls education, we were doomed to fail. Afghanistan is a permanently failed tribal state that can't be fixed. It's a perpetual crisis that can only be managed. We need to lower our aspirations & acknowledge that we'll have to maintain a military presence there for the foreseeable future, in a country where the Taliban will control large swathes of territory, which we will tolerate unless/until they give safe haven to terrorists.
https://www.cemml.colostate.edu/cultura ... 04enl.html

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holmes435 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:01 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:10 am
RedFromMI wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:31 am
THE AFGHANISTAN PAPERS A secret history of the war
AT WAR WITH THE TRUTH
U.S. officials constantly said they were making progress. They were not, and they knew it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... documents/

Here is one to chew on this morning if impeachment hearings bore you...
No surprise to me. The gubmint went in with both hands tied behind their back. It has been 18 years of whack a mole.
I'm curious as to your reasoning behind this? It felt like we were doing the right things and making progress until we took our eye off the ball and got into Iraq. We had broad international support, lots of allies, and had a solid chance at making some meaningful changes at the outset of the war.
I would go back to the bitter lesson learned by the Soviets. Afghanistan is a perfect country to fight a defensive war in. It is a vast mountainous region where you can maneuver and hide in forever. Your adversary can be everywhere one moment and nowhere to be found the next. The rules of engagement made a difficult situation almost impossible. When your people do not have a clear idea when they can shoot and at whom, your hands are tied. War is hell, trying to fight a war and be politically correct is going to guarantee you will never win. The mission as I understand it was destroy Bin Ladens training camps and other assets. We accomplished that. Since then, I don't know what the mission has been. I am not sure anyone in DC could define it either.
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The Navy has grounded Saudi military trainees in Florida, suspending their flight instruction indefinitely in the wake of a shooting last week at Naval Air Station Pensacola by a member of the Saudi Royal Air Force, w/ @EricSchmittNYT
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Looks like the military is training White Power...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2 ... -students/
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Mr moderator, deactivate my account.
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No, that's not what it looks like at all.
"West Point is looking into it and we do not know the intent of the cadets," said Lt. Col. Christopher Ophardt, director of public affairs, in an email.

Cmdr. Alana Garas of the Naval Academy said in an email, "We are aware and will be looking into it."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mi ... y-n1102366
Your statement is a classic example of the kind of misleading trash that makes social media the cesspool that it is, to say nothing about it being highly offensive to a group of young men and women who are generally considered to be a pretty fine lot of folks.
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/comey- ... -ig-report A very embarrassing interview for Comey. Chris Wallace just made him look like either an incompetent fool or a very bad liar. The FBI in this instance wasn't "overconfident" the correct term is incompetent.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:25 pm https://www.foxnews.com/politics/comey- ... -ig-report A very embarrassing interview for Comey. Chris Wallace just made him look like either an incompetent fool or a very bad liar. The FBI in this instance wasn't "overconfident" the correct term is incompetent.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:25 pm https://www.foxnews.com/politics/comey- ... -ig-report A very embarrassing interview for Comey. Chris Wallace just made him look like either an incompetent fool or a very bad liar. The FBI in this instance wasn't "overconfident" the correct term is incompetent.
Way back on LP I said this guy is a snake. Anyone who doesn't see that now is mentally challenged.

It's no wonder corruption occurred under his watch at FBI.
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Same innocent hand cramp Kavanaugh aide Zena Bush had at his confirmation hearing. Something about TV cameras these youngsters don’t understand.
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tech37 wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:25 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:25 pm https://www.foxnews.com/politics/comey- ... -ig-report A very embarrassing interview for Comey. Chris Wallace just made him look like either an incompetent fool or a very bad liar. The FBI in this instance wasn't "overconfident" the correct term is incompetent.
Way back on LP I said this guy is a snake. Anyone who doesn't see that now is mentally challenged.

It's no wonder corruption occurred under his watch at FBI.
Fascinating.
I watched the interview and thought it was an excellent interview, both by Wallace and by Comey.

Wallace is a straight reporter, and a tough interviewer, regardless of who the subject is.
He leans right, but not to the detriment of his common sense and integrity.

So, he asked the tough questions, including the tough follow-ups.

I found Comey to again be honest, willing to be accountable for his own errors, most notably his having been "over confident" in the practices and policies of the FISA process. He said, without hesitation, "I was wrong", he didn't claim the IG was wrong.

I found his differences with Wallace's characterizations interesting, but not troubling, as I understood both men's assertions on how one could see the same sets of words and facts and understand them differently, honestly. Moreover, I wasn't so sure Wallace didn't understand Comey's perspective and simply wanted to push him hard to see what that might reveal. But Comey remained consistent...which indeed included holding himself accountable.

So, an excellent, hard-nosed interview.

IMO, Comey has a big ego, and he has a sense of honor and duty, and a sense of pride in the FBI, which he overly assumes others have around him as well.

Now...if one truly thinks the FBI is full of corrupt, politically biased folks who purposely were out to sabotage Trump through false means, it's understandable why one would find Comey's position unsatisfactory.

Of course, one may also believe Trump's tweet that the IG was an Obama supporter and is lying and "Obama knew everything"...
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tech37 wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:25 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:25 pm https://www.foxnews.com/politics/comey- ... -ig-report A very embarrassing interview for Comey. Chris Wallace just made him look like either an incompetent fool or a very bad liar. The FBI in this instance wasn't "overconfident" the correct term is incompetent.
Way back on LP I said this guy is a snake. Anyone who doesn't see that now is mentally challenged.

It's no wonder corruption occurred under his watch at FBI.
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I'm bettin' tech said, "Holy cow (or something like that) this is a never ending battle where no one's mind is ever changed. I'm a little tired of banging my head against the wall, time to take a break, it'll be good for my psyche and spirit." Just guessing. :)
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DMac wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:17 am I'm bettin' tech said, "Holy cow (or something like that) this is a never ending battle where no one's mind is ever changed. I'm a little tired of banging my head against the wall, time to take a break, it'll be good for my psyche and spirit." Just guessing. :)
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