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cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 8:43 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 8:38 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 6:57 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 6:46 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 6:40 am

CU88 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 5:07 pm Joe Biden said mass shootings tripled when the assault weapon ban ended.

They did

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... n-assault/

Does that include any given weekend in Chicago???

How clever...and symptomatic of the problems we are experiencing.

Not clever but it is a cold hard reality to the folks who live in Chicago. The problem is criminals who are in possession of ILLEGAL EFFING WEAPONS!!! The ongoing holocaust in Chicago and similar urban cities doesn't garner the flashy media headlines. Happy to know you have no problem putting your blinders on and ignoring the problem. That is the effing reality of the problem our country is facing.
FTR counselor.. how are all these illegal weapons finding their way into cities that have some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. I ask you why the federal government and the BATF are not doing their job. Once these weapons cross state lines it becomes a federal issue. Is the BATF incapable of doing their job??

Stop complaining. Crime hasn’t stopped YET.

I'm only pointing out the inconvenient truth. Everybody wants to move heaven and earth to ban guns owned by law abiding Americans but no one wants to do jack diddly squat about illegal weapons. Why?? Because that would be very, very difficult to do.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 6:57 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 6:46 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 6:40 am

CU88 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 5:07 pm Joe Biden said mass shootings tripled when the assault weapon ban ended.

They did

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... n-assault/

Does that include any given weekend in Chicago???

How clever...and symptomatic of the problems we are experiencing.

Not clever but it is a cold hard reality to the folks who live in Chicago. The problem is criminals who are in possession of ILLEGAL EFFING WEAPONS!!! The ongoing holocaust in Chicago and similar urban cities doesn't garner the flashy media headlines. Happy to know you have no problem putting your blinders on and ignoring the problem. That is the effing reality of the problem our country is facing.
FTR counselor.. how are all these illegal weapons finding their way into cities that have some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. I ask you why the federal government and the BATF are not doing their job. Once these weapons cross state lines it becomes a federal issue. Is the BATF incapable of doing their job??

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 7:57 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 3:10 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 2:36 pm I’m not jumping (yet) on the ‘Uvalde police are worthless’ bandwagon, but their press conferences are unmitigated disasters. The guy handling the conference today was hard of hearing, he licked his lips every second, he didn’t seem to know pretty much any relevant detail, and he cried three times. Jeeebus. Disastrous.

I have no idea if what’s being reported is accurate or not, but these press conferences lead me to believe the police were total buffoons. I don’t think they were scared so much as incompetent. What’s happening with their press conferences is they look both scared and incompetent. And when our lib media sense a weak opponent on the other side of the political divide, as here, they are ruthless like pack animals.

Abbott has to own this cluster-eff. Desantis would’ve fired anyone mangling things like this, yesterday. Poor leadership on Abbott’s part.

I just can not help thinking that they where scared to death of making "a wrong move", so much so, that they made no move.....frozen with indecision, which is a decision...just the wrong one.

That part that is unclear to me, is when did the shooter begin firing the gun at the students/teachers. Was it the gunfire the police claim was directed at them or was that when the shooter did the unthinkable or both....around 11:44 when they arrived then minutes later?

So that do nothing 40-50 minutes may have been just a surrounding of the hallway and exterior so he could not exit the classroom.

Like so much in life, the real story is always more complex than what we want to believe. I very much doubt the entire police force there is made up of by scared incompetence. My guess is they were taught above all else to follow orders, but no one at the scene had tactical command. So they come off *looking* both scared and incompetent.

Making matters worse, their messaging is atrocious. Their press conferences are beyond awful. It’s outrageous to Americans but it’s more unnecessary searing pain for the parents. Just awful.

And Abbott must share the blame. At the end of the day he’s chief executive of the state. He’s showing really poor leadership, bad decisions, and gutless deflection. I’ve lost a ton of respect for him.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 7:40 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 6:57 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 6:46 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 6:40 am

CU88 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 5:07 pm Joe Biden said mass shootings tripled when the assault weapon ban ended.

They did

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... n-assault/

Does that include any given weekend in Chicago???

How clever...and symptomatic of the problems we are experiencing.

Not clever but it is a cold hard reality to the folks who live in Chicago. The problem is criminals who are in possession of ILLEGAL EFFING WEAPONS!!! The ongoing holocaust in Chicago and similar urban cities doesn't garner the flashy media headlines. Happy to know you have no problem putting your blinders on and ignoring the problem. That is the effing reality of the problem our country is facing.
FTR counselor.. how are all these illegal weapons finding their way into cities that have some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. I ask you why the federal government and the BATF are not doing their job. Once these weapons cross state lines it becomes a federal issue. Is the BATF incapable of doing their job??

Along those lines. The older I become, the more cynically leaning my mind drifts. When you stop and think about it...the very things that are tearing us apart, tend to be the very same things that continually and progressively become worse, no matter what our elected leaders claim they are fighting for; drugs, guns, and family. The model is encouraging individualization, rather that "we are all created equal". Sure, we can bicker over what party has driven this, but they are each equally to blame.

Have a great weekend everyone. Hug whoever will allow you and tell them they are appreciated.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 9:17 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 8:43 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 8:38 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 6:57 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 6:46 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 6:40 am

CU88 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 5:07 pm Joe Biden said mass shootings tripled when the assault weapon ban ended.

They did

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... n-assault/

Does that include any given weekend in Chicago???

How clever...and symptomatic of the problems we are experiencing.

Not clever but it is a cold hard reality to the folks who live in Chicago. The problem is criminals who are in possession of ILLEGAL EFFING WEAPONS!!! The ongoing holocaust in Chicago and similar urban cities doesn't garner the flashy media headlines. Happy to know you have no problem putting your blinders on and ignoring the problem. That is the effing reality of the problem our country is facing.
FTR counselor.. how are all these illegal weapons finding their way into cities that have some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. I ask you why the federal government and the BATF are not doing their job. Once these weapons cross state lines it becomes a federal issue. Is the BATF incapable of doing their job??

Stop complaining. Crime hasn’t stopped YET.

I'm only pointing out the inconvenient truth. Everybody wants to move heaven and earth to ban guns owned by law abiding Americans but no one wants to do jack diddly squat about illegal weapons. Why?? Because that would be very, very difficult to do.

Underlying much of the Republican resistance to any change in gun laws is the very deserved distrust of what Democrats actually want. Polls show that half of Democrats are quite comfortable undoing the Second Amendment. It’s a guess to how many would forbid all guns, but I think we are on solid ground surmising that 25% would strip away all 2A rights.

I’ve said it a billion times and I’ll say it a billion more, and it’s not exactly a radical thought: far too many Democrats are entirely uneasy with the notion of America, of American exceptionalism, and of historic pride. Heck, some have good reasons. But, at the end of the day, that recognition, that a good percent of one of our two parties is not exactly enamored with the country it purports to represent, explains why many Republicans can’t stomach change to gun laws, even when it’s obvious we need them.

Tough spot to be in. Republicans need more leaders like Desantis and less like Abbott, to bring more Republicans along for change while recognizing the real dangers of some of the Democratic Party. .

CU88 wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 10:14 am I guess that we need a well regulated militia to kill children in classrooms.
Silly me, seems so obvious now...

CU88 wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 10:14 am I guess that we need a well regulated militia to kill children in classrooms.
Silly me, seems so obvious now...

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 10:37 am

CU88 wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 10:14 am I guess that we need a well regulated militia to kill children in classrooms.
Silly me, seems so obvious now...

That’s obviously a silly comment, but it belies (again) what’s at the heart of Republican unease with giving an inch on ‘gun rights’….what do Democrats REALLY want? If you can’t make a coherent comment on some sensible regulations, it’s likely you’ve got far deeper desires on ‘gun removal’.

Very few Democrats bemoan gun culture unless there’s an event like this. But reality is, guns are used across America every week to kill multiples of the number killed in Uvalde. Why do Democrats never bemoan guns used to kill those greater numbers?

We all know why. No need to answer.


Here are sensible proposals for new federal gun regulations:

Can’t purchase a semi automatic like an AR until you are 21 (I’d also forbid voting til 21)

You must clear a comprehensive set of mental and competency tests to purchase a semi automatic like an AR

You can still purchase a shotgun at 18

You can’t purchase a handgun until you are 21

You must clear a comprehensive set of mental and competency tests to purchase a handgun at any age

Until you reach the age of 30, you must present every two years evidence of a mental health checkup (online filing) for semis and handguns

UBC’s at all exchanges

jhu72 wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 9:49 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 6:57 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 6:46 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 6:40 am

CU88 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 5:07 pm Joe Biden said mass shootings tripled when the assault weapon ban ended.

They did

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... n-assault/

Does that include any given weekend in Chicago???

How clever...and symptomatic of the problems we are experiencing.

Not clever but it is a cold hard reality to the folks who live in Chicago. The problem is criminals who are in possession of ILLEGAL EFFING WEAPONS!!! The ongoing holocaust in Chicago and similar urban cities doesn't garner the flashy media headlines. Happy to know you have no problem putting your blinders on and ignoring the problem. That is the effing reality of the problem our country is facing.
FTR counselor.. how are all these illegal weapons finding their way into cities that have some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. I ask you why the federal government and the BATF are not doing their job. Once these weapons cross state lines it becomes a federal issue. Is the BATF incapable of doing their job??

The answer is easy manufacturers need to shut down their ILLEGAL EFFING WEAPONS production lines. Only run the LEGAL EFFING WEAPONS production lines.

jhu72 wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 9:49 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 6:57 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 6:46 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 6:40 am

CU88 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 5:07 pm Joe Biden said mass shootings tripled when the assault weapon ban ended.

They did

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... n-assault/

Does that include any given weekend in Chicago???

How clever...and symptomatic of the problems we are experiencing.

Not clever but it is a cold hard reality to the folks who live in Chicago. The problem is criminals who are in possession of ILLEGAL EFFING WEAPONS!!! The ongoing holocaust in Chicago and similar urban cities doesn't garner the flashy media headlines. Happy to know you have no problem putting your blinders on and ignoring the problem. That is the effing reality of the problem our country is facing.
FTR counselor.. how are all these illegal weapons finding their way into cities that have some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. I ask you why the federal government and the BATF are not doing their job. Once these weapons cross state lines it becomes a federal issue. Is the BATF incapable of doing their job??

The answer is easy manufacturers need to shut down their ILLEGAL EFFING WEAPONS production lines. Only run the LEGAL EFFING WEAPONS production lines.

jhu72 wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 11:07 am

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 10:37 am

CU88 wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 10:14 am I guess that we need a well regulated militia to kill children in classrooms.
Silly me, seems so obvious now...

That’s obviously a silly comment, but it belies (again) what’s at the heart of Republican unease with giving an inch on ‘gun rights’….what do Democrats REALLY want? If you can’t make a coherent comment on some sensible regulations, it’s likely you’ve got far deeper desires on ‘gun removal’.

Very few Democrats bemoan gun culture unless there’s an event like this. But reality is, guns are used across America every week to kill multiples of the number killed in Uvalde. Why do Democrats never bemoan guns used to kill those greater numbers?

We all know why. No need to answer.


Here are sensible proposals for new federal gun regulations:

Can’t purchase a semi automatic like an AR until you are 21 (I’d also forbid voting til 21)

You must clear a comprehensive set of mental and competency tests to purchase a semi automatic like an AR

You can still purchase a shotgun at 18

You can’t purchase a handgun until you are 21

You must clear a comprehensive set of mental and competency tests to purchase a handgun at any age

Until you reach the age of 30, you must present every two years evidence of a mental health checkup (online filing) for semis and handguns

UBC’s at all exchanges

... your last "proposal" had the age for semi automatic purchase set at 30 years old. You have lowered it now to 21.
... notice there is no federal gun ownership computer database mentioned (in short this is hardly a comprehensive plan)
... apparently after age 30 there are no mental health issues

From TPM Reader DS …

I want to share a story with you and then get to a specific point. When I was 18 or 19, a guy at the factory where I worked sold me a semi-automatic AK-47. Not an actual AK but whatever the knock-off brand was at the time. I thought it would be cool to have such a cool and powerful weapon.

I had also been bullied growing up and it gave a sense of power. Until one day I was on the phone with some guys at a party and the phone got passed to one of these bullies. He and some of his friends started passing the phone around, taunting me, and I challenged, in very strong language, all of them to come over and fight me.

As soon as I hung up, I got the gun and slammed in the clip. About a half hour later, two car loads of dudes came pulling into the driveway. I walked out onto the front stoop with the gun. They quickly backed out and tore away. Had they gotten out of their cars and came at me, there is no doubt I would have opened fire.

I told two of my friends at the factory about this. They told the guy who sold me the gun, in very strong language, that when we got off work, we were all going to my house, and he was going to buy the gun back from me, and they told in the same strong language that I would sell it back for the price the guy was willing to pay (less than what I gave) or they would take the gun from me physically and I would get nothing.

I have never owned or shot a gun since. Because while I am certain now with age and wisdom I would treat it properly, there is no need to take that chance. I had seen what I was capable of, what anybody could be capable of, with a loaded weapon and the right set of circumstances.

Let’s translate that over to the group of “responsible” gun owners. They have the same mindset as me, but with guns. I keep my guns locked up. I take gun safety courses. I am very careful when I buy guns via private sales.

This is where you get the resistance of, it is not the GUNS, it is the PEOPLE, because I know what to do and I do it right. And I should not be burdened or punished because of what these crazy people (you hear “crazy people” a lot) do.

And a lot of these people, Josh, are people who make up the functional majority you are talking about. Not the gun nuts who have 200 rifles and 50 handguns. The people who have a couple of guns. These people want guns as protection against the gun nuts as they do protection from criminals.

Then to the last piece of the puzzle. Will these restrictions actually stop these mass shootings, or will they still happen and I can’t have my gun. Why should I give up my gun, when it will not resolve the issue.

These are people, and Judis referred to “downscale voters” but many, many of them are middle and upper middle class, who would support armed guards in front of every classroom in every school before they will accept a restriction on guns.

It absolutely is a cultural issue that is supported by enough people that legislative action is just, it’s a pipe dream. It’s not just the NRA. It’s not just Republicans, even though most Democratic gun owners would probably allow some legislative action. But it is a functional majority in our current system and anyone who says otherwise is just pontificating.

Anyway, sorry to be so long-winded, but I thought the pushback on your original post, while well-intentioned, ignores reality.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 2:34 pm Prescient: woman with pistol, kills man shooting an AR-15.

https://apnews.com/article/politics-pol ... 0cce184c8d

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 2:37 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 2:34 pm Prescient: woman with pistol, kills man shooting an AR-15.

https://apnews.com/article/politics-pol ... 0cce184c8d

More people should carry.

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 12:50 pm As far as attracting the wrong crowd (from today's TalkingPointsMemo letter to the editor Josh Marshall):

From TPM Reader DS …

I want to share a story with you and then get to a specific point. When I was 18 or 19, a guy at the factory where I worked sold me a semi-automatic AK-47. Not an actual AK but whatever the knock-off brand was at the time. I thought it would be cool to have such a cool and powerful weapon.

I had also been bullied growing up and it gave a sense of power. Until one day I was on the phone with some guys at a party and the phone got passed to one of these bullies. He and some of his friends started passing the phone around, taunting me, and I challenged, in very strong language, all of them to come over and fight me.

As soon as I hung up, I got the gun and slammed in the clip. About a half hour later, two car loads of dudes came pulling into the driveway. I walked out onto the front stoop with the gun. They quickly backed out and tore away. Had they gotten out of their cars and came at me, there is no doubt I would have opened fire.

I told two of my friends at the factory about this. They told the guy who sold me the gun, in very strong language, that when we got off work, we were all going to my house, and he was going to buy the gun back from me, and they told in the same strong language that I would sell it back for the price the guy was willing to pay (less than what I gave) or they would take the gun from me physically and I would get nothing.

I have never owned or shot a gun since. Because while I am certain now with age and wisdom I would treat it properly, there is no need to take that chance. I had seen what I was capable of, what anybody could be capable of, with a loaded weapon and the right set of circumstances.

Let’s translate that over to the group of “responsible” gun owners. They have the same mindset as me, but with guns. I keep my guns locked up. I take gun safety courses. I am very careful when I buy guns via private sales.

This is where you get the resistance of, it is not the GUNS, it is the PEOPLE, because I know what to do and I do it right. And I should not be burdened or punished because of what these crazy people (you hear “crazy people” a lot) do.

And a lot of these people, Josh, are people who make up the functional majority you are talking about. Not the gun nuts who have 200 rifles and 50 handguns. The people who have a couple of guns. These people want guns as protection against the gun nuts as they do protection from criminals.

Then to the last piece of the puzzle. Will these restrictions actually stop these mass shootings, or will they still happen and I can’t have my gun. Why should I give up my gun, when it will not resolve the issue.

These are people, and Judis referred to “downscale voters” but many, many of them are middle and upper middle class, who would support armed guards in front of every classroom in every school before they will accept a restriction on guns.

It absolutely is a cultural issue that is supported by enough people that legislative action is just, it’s a pipe dream. It’s not just the NRA. It’s not just Republicans, even though most Democratic gun owners would probably allow some legislative action. But it is a functional majority in our current system and anyone who says otherwise is just pontificating.

Anyway, sorry to be so long-winded, but I thought the pushback on your original post, while well-intentioned, ignores reality.

I don't necessarily agree with all he says, but he definitely gets at some of the issues here.

CU88 wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 10:14 am I guess that we need a well regulated militia to kill children in classrooms.
Silly me, seems so obvious now...

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 4:37 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 2:37 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 2:34 pm Prescient: woman with pistol, kills man shooting an AR-15.

https://apnews.com/article/politics-pol ... 0cce184c8d

More people should carry.

We just need to arm everyone. Once you turn 12, you get a handgun and a rifle. Open carry in school, at the supermarket, the movies, lacrosse games, etc. That'll settle everyone down and protect our Second Amendment!!!

Kismet wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 11:17 am

jhu72 wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 9:49 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 6:57 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 6:46 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 6:40 am

CU88 wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 5:07 pm Joe Biden said mass shootings tripled when the assault weapon ban ended.

They did

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... n-assault/

Does that include any given weekend in Chicago???

How clever...and symptomatic of the problems we are experiencing.

Not clever but it is a cold hard reality to the folks who live in Chicago. The problem is criminals who are in possession of ILLEGAL EFFING WEAPONS!!! The ongoing holocaust in Chicago and similar urban cities doesn't garner the flashy media headlines. Happy to know you have no problem putting your blinders on and ignoring the problem. That is the effing reality of the problem our country is facing.
FTR counselor.. how are all these illegal weapons finding their way into cities that have some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. I ask you why the federal government and the BATF are not doing their job. Once these weapons cross state lines it becomes a federal issue. Is the BATF incapable of doing their job??

The answer is easy manufacturers need to shut down their ILLEGAL EFFING WEAPONS production lines. Only run the LEGAL EFFING WEAPONS production lines.

The entire 2A stuff is a myth. The framers wrote the 2nd because they didn't want nor would the states go for a large standing national army. Militias were a by-product of the British crown using colonial militias to support regular British troops to fight the French and Indians
There were two benefits - freed up regular army to fight the French in Europe and defend other parts of the empire and reduced the need to pay additional regular army troops to cover all those bases.

Had NOTHING to do with combating tyranny of a Federal Government as they wrote the rest of the document to deal with that in multiple ways.