Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:58 pm
^No surprise. Once again ignore the facts, criticize, attack.
Rinse, repeat.
What's the matter Brookie? Dont you want to talk about allll the times the Israelis offered peace and land to the Palestinians.
And you and your buds said "no"?
Gee, why don't you want to talk about that, and instead want to pretend that allll those fences around Israel are there "for fun"?
quoting your hero Netanyahu:
Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, defended his draft of the Nation-State bill on 26 November 2014, declaring Israel to be "The nation-state of the Jewish people, and the Jewish people alone".
A closer look at Hamas’s history suggests that it sought a truce with Israel in 1988, 2006, 2008, 2012, and 2017.
“We in Hamas are for peace and want to put an end to bloodshed. We have been observing a unilateral truce for more than a year without reciprocity from the Israeli side. The message from Hamas and the Palestinian Authority to the world powers is this: talk to us no more about recognising Israel’s ‘right to exist’ or ending resistance until you obtain a commitment from the Israelis to withdraw from our land and recognise our rights.”
“Peaceful means will do if the world is willing to engage in a constructive and fair process in which we and the Israelis are treated as equals.”
Israel’s leadership would have the world believe that Hamas has committed itself to unrelenting terror since its founding, a narrative soothing for the grieving Israeli public, but also one at odds with Hamas’s complex evolution. A closer look at Hamas’s history suggests that it sought a truce with Israel in 1988, 2006, 2008, 2012, and 2017. Alas, Israel has preferred war to peace, if peace means a challenge to Jewish demographic domination in Israel or a full withdrawal from the Occupied Palestinian Territories.
Re: Israel and Zionism
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:01 pm
by Baducchi
Fan, why do you talk to him? He posts a social media post from Netanyahu and conveniently leaves out the second half of the post. An Israeli actress, Rotem Sela posted on Instagram: ""When the hell will someone in this government broadcast to the public that Israel is a country for all its citizens. And every person was born equal. Arabs, too, God help us, are human beings. And so are the Druze. And so are gays, by the way, and lesbians, and…shock…leftists."
Netanyahu posted: ""Dear Rotem, an important correction: Israel is not a state of all its citizens. According to the Nation-State Law that we passed, Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish People - and them alone. As you wrote, there's no problem with the Arab citizens of Israel – they have the same rights as us all and the Likud government has invested in the Arab sector more than any other government."
Netanyahu is right. Israel is a Jewish State. A country created to protect the Jews of the world. That undeniably is the top priority of the Israeli nation. But, no surprise, this doesn't register for some. A homeland for the Jews?! Why?!? They're fine! Just tear down the fence! One state!...
Re: Israel and Zionism
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:10 pm
by OuttaNowhereWregget
Baducchi wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:01 pm
Fan, why do you talk to him?
I don't understand why anyone engages him. His mind is obviously closed. Why not just ignore all his posts under this topic?
Re: Israel and Zionism
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:12 pm
by Brooklyn
Interesting that this genius above mentioned the Druze who also objected to the Nation-State law:
Heads of Israel's Druze community petitioned the Israeli Supreme Court in protest against the law, and 100 Druze reservists complained that though having fought in Israel's wars for generations, the bill relegated them to second-class status.[46] According to Rami Zeedan, who is himself an Israeli Druze, the main problem in the law in the eyes of the Israeli Druze is ignoring the definition of "Israeli" as the nation of the state, while the Druze hold this as integral part of their social self- identification.[47] ...
In response to complaints from the Druze community, Netanyahu stated in a subsequent cabinet meeting: "In contrast to the outrageous comments from the left attacking the Jewish state, I was touched by the sentiments of our brothers and sisters in the Druze community", and committed to meeting with Druze leaders to find solutions to their concerns.[53] Initial meetings with Druze leaders fell apart, however, when Netanyahu walked out after one Druze leader refused Netanyahu's demand that he take back his use of the term "apartheid" to refer to the law on social media. Some Druze participants suggested that Netanyahu had deliberately torpedoed the meeting when he saw that they would not endorse cosmetic changes to the law.[54]
source: Wiki
Re: Israel and Zionism
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:15 pm
by Baducchi
Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:58 pm
.... Israel’s leadership would have the world believe that Hamas has committed itself to unrelenting terror since its founding....
Hamas was founded in late '87 and is and has always been committed to the destruction of Israel. How the f*ck can this person be allowed to post this anti-Semitic nonsense? Hamas isn't the problem, it's the Jews? Really?! That this person is allowed to have a voice is beyond words to me. But whatever. Fine. Here, the KKK are totally misunderstood. They actually do tons of good. It's the blacks who want you to believe that they're these violent terroristic animals. But this could not be further from the truth. Support your local KKK!
Re: Israel and Zionism
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:18 pm
by Baducchi
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:10 pm
I don't understand why anyone engages him. His mind is obviously closed. Why not just ignore all his posts under this topic?
He shouldn't be allowed to post within this forum. Not ignore him. Remove him. This isn't a pro- and anti-Trump discussion. This is a guy saying, Hamas is actually good. The problem is the Israelis. Are you freaking kidding me?! He should be removed.
Re: Israel and Zionism
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:22 pm
by a fan
Baducchi wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:01 pm
Fan, why do you talk to him?
Same reason I mess with other people on the site who trade in dishonest arguments: to rub their nose in it every now and again. It's like a cat playing with a ball of yarn, batting it around.
Moreover, not everyone gets that Brookie and his buds have been active on College Campuses for DECADES. I'm just pulling the veil back for folks who haven't seen this before, and are tricked into thinking they want peace----they don't.
Have you noticed America's shock, of late, that these geniuses are operating at America's best Universities?
This. is. not. a. new. thing. It's helpful to know this.
He isn't trying to convince us, or actually fix the problem, btw....this is about making himself feel like a superhero....i've met DOZENS of these guys at College Campuses over the years. He's a caricature.
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:10 pm
I don't understand why anyone engages him. His mind is obviously closed. Why not just ignore all his posts under this topic?
He shouldn't be allowed to post within this forum. Not ignore him. Remove him. This isn't a pro- and anti-Trump discussion. This is a guy saying, Hamas is actually good. The problem is the Israelis. Are you freaking kidding me?! He should be removed.
This thread started in 2018....it's just that the world is focused now on the latest Hamas massacre....so you noticed it was here.
You're welcome to send in a complaint.
Re: Israel and Zionism
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:27 pm
by Brooklyn
^ No surprise that this Baducchi clown should make such stupid and hate filled responses. He's the one who should be removed from the forum for all his hate and attacks.
I have already shown everyone here Hamas' Charter which calls for COEXISTENCE. Everyone saw it except for him.
Someone argued that Hamas ignored calls for peace. I proved that it was Hamas who called for peace at least FIVE times but the calls were ignored by Israel.
Other haters on this forum have said Hamas and others have called for extermination of Jews. Despite this repeated allegation, not a shred of evidence has been presented to prove this idiotic claim. On the contrary, I have presented links which explicitly call for extermination of Palestinians. WHERE IS THE CONDEMNATION OF THESE RACIST AND ISLAMOPHOBIC CALLS? Not one Israeli apologist on this forum has condemned those calls. Not one.
Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:27 pm
I have already shown everyone here Hamas' Charter which calls for COEXISTENCE... Other haters on this forum have said Hamas and others have called for extermination of Jews. Despite this repeated allegation, not a shred of evidence has been presented to prove this idiotic claim...
Admin and whoever runs this forum, this (above) you allow within your forum? Seriously?
Re: Israel and Zionism
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:40 pm
by Brooklyn
Genocide by Israeli forces:
Witnesses Say IDF Troops ‘Executed’ Women and Children in Gaza School
The Biden administration "must respond to the reported execution-style massacre of women, children, and babies," said the spokesperson of a U.S. Muslim advocacy group.
Eyewitness testimony reported Wednesday by Al Jazeera accused Israeli troops of massacring forcibly displaced women and children sheltering at a school in northern Gaza, an allegation that prompted a leading U.S. Muslim advocacy group to demand a response from President Joe Biden.
The reported massacre took place at the Shadia Abu Ghazala School in the al-Faluja area west of the Jabalia refugee camp in the northern Gaza Strip. Video footage aired by the Qatar-based news network showed numerous covered bodies piled in one of the school’s classrooms.
“The Israeli soldiers came in and opened fire on them,” one unidentified witness said. “They took all men, then entered classrooms and opened fire on a woman and all the children with her,” including “newborn children.”
“The Israeli soldiers executed those innocent families point-blank,” she added.
A man who arrived at the scene after the alleged mass murder told Al Jazeera that “we found dozens of dead bodies in the classrooms.”
“There is no sign of any missiles or shells,” he added. “All those who were in the buildings were executed from point-blank. The Israeli soldiers opened fire on them. Many families came searching for their children. They found them all killed. They were all killed, executed at gunpoint.”
As of press time, the alleged massacre had not been independently verified.
Ibrahim Hooper, national communications director at the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), said in a statement that “because the Biden administration stands almost alone on the world stage in defending and enabling the far-right Israeli government’s campaign of ethnic cleansing and genocide in Gaza, administration officials must respond to the reported execution-style massacre of women, children, and babies seeking refuge in a school in Gaza.”
“Our nation must stop enabling what even President Biden privately admits is the ‘indiscriminate’ targeting of innocent Palestinians,” he added.
Also on Wednesday, Palestinians sheltering in the Kamal Adwan Hospital in northern Gaza said Israeli troops stormed the facility after days of shelling and siege.
“Conditions in the hospital are dire with no water or electricity,” one survivor told Al Jazeera. “Bodies are scattered on the ground.”
An elderly man told the network that “the Israeli army used loudspeakers to demand the evacuation of the displaced individuals from the hospital,” but IDF troops subsequently shot people trying to flee the facility.
Gaza health officials said Wednesday that at least 18,608 Palestinians – most of them women and children – have been killed by Israeli bombs and bullets since October 7, with over 50,000 more Palestinians wounded.
Additionally, more than 1.9 million Gazans – or upward of 85% of the strip’s population – have been forcibly displaced since October 7, according to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.
Note how I provide videos and other links. The Islamophobics only provide hate and criticism. The Admin allows intelligent discussion of facts and of news items. Admin does not allow personal attacks.
Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:27 pm
I have already shown everyone here Hamas' Charter which calls for COEXISTENCE... Other haters on this forum have said Hamas and others have called for extermination of Jews. Despite this repeated allegation, not a shred of evidence has been presented to prove this idiotic claim...
Admin and whoever runs this forum, this (above) you allow within your forum? Seriously?
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:10 pm
I don't understand why anyone engages him. His mind is obviously closed. Why not just ignore all his posts under this topic?
He shouldn't be allowed to post within this forum. Not ignore him. Remove him. This isn't a pro- and anti-Trump discussion. This is a guy saying, Hamas is actually good. The problem is the Israelis. Are you freaking kidding me?! He should be removed.
You, and everyone else who takes offense at his racist filth, should report the posts. Just click the exclamation icon button to the upper right and tell admin why you are reporting the post. There's been an ongoing discussion about it at length under the FanLax Feedback topic already and currently. Admin doesn't read every post under every topic. He couldn't possibly and still have a life. He needs you, the frequenters of this topic, to do so.
So simple. Click the exclamation point icon to the upper right of the offending post and report it.
Re: Israel and Zionism
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:23 pm
by Brooklyn
"racist filth"
See what I mean?
I reply with links and videos from youtube, antiwar, democraticunderground, NY Times, Wapo, and others. The Islamophobic haters respond with hate and criticism. But they cannot prove so much as one single point that they are trying to make. Not one.
What you Islamophobes must understand is that attacks such as those you repeatedly make, criticism, and hate DO NOT CONSTITUTE PROOF of any kind.
You need to present EVIDENCE of the claims you make. Present links, videos, articles, and whatever. This can then be evaluated. Any shortcomings can be dissected and debunked if necessary.
You people claim Hamas has refused all discussions of peace accords. I PROVE Hamas has called for peace FIVE times.
You claim Hamas wants extermination of Jews. I prove from their charter that they call for PEACEFUL COEXISTENCE.
Previously, some said Hamas beheaded children. This was debunked.
Previously, some one else said Hamas created tunnels under the hospital. That was EASILY debunked.
You people continue to buy into the IDF's many lies. ALL of which are REPEATEDLY debunked. Then when someone debunks your propaganda, you respond with more attacks and more hate and with threats of removing those who post the truth.
Yeah, good luck with that.
I challenge you Islamophobes to disprove any post I have made here. Try it. Don't respond with attacks, hate, and lies. Go ahead and try, just TRY, to prove that anything I post here is a lie the way your IDF propaganda lies have all been shown to be.
Re: Israel and Zionism
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:26 pm
by Baducchi
If Hamas are such swell guys, why is it a federal offense to donate $ to them?
So....no, you don't want to talk about alllll the times the Israelis offered your team land and peace....and you and your pals refused it.