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MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:29 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:52 am

Kismet wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:33 am In case, you haven't noticed there is currently a labor shortage at the low end which is impeding economic recovery. Citizen birthrates are down and the pandemic exacerbates it all. Check out how this country historically used immigration to fuel economic growth even as all of the Nativists howled. Ironic how many of those immigrants then and their offspring are now the modern nativists hypocritically doing all those things that their parents and grandparents had to endure when they arrived.

The argument that we use immigration for pop growth is perplexing, considering our growth has been on a steep upward trajectory. We've doubled in size since 1950. I think that gate needs to be metered a bit closer. Then you have those saying globally, we are over populated and can not sustain this growth....in walks Bill Gates, with his pimp hat like Dr. Evil.

If you rally want to get down to it, this is opportunity to roll out AI and big enmass, which is why we such supply chain issues, globally, on damned near all things...except those that are made by machine.

"metered"...our annual population growth now is less than half that of many of those 70 years, down roughly 40% from the '90's and '2000's.

And indeed, the US birth rate has dropped to about 12 per 1,000 people, from over 15 in the 80's and over 20 in the 50's and 60's....and note that the sector with the highest birth rates in America are recent immigrants, whether legal or illegal.

And no, the US, unlike much of the world, can indeed absorb more population. There are indeed massive population density versus economic capacity, environmental capacity in many places in the world, but not here. Which is obviously why we see the pressure to get here.

But you are among a long list of those who have opposed immigration over the past 200 years. Each era has had its anti-immigration proponents who wanted "metering"...meaning zero other than from their own ancestral regions. Some made those arguments politely, intellectually, others were ugly and violent.

United States - Historical Population Growth Rate Data
Year Population Growth Rate Growth Rate
2021 332,915,073 0.58%
2020 331,002,651 0.59%
2019 329,064,917 0.60%
2018 327,096,265 0.62%
2017 325,084,756 0.64%
2016 323,015,995 0.67%
2015 320,878,310 0.69%
2014 318,673,411 0.72%
2013 316,400,538 0.75%
2012 314,043,885 0.79%
2011 311,584,047 0.83%
2010 309,011,475 0.88%
2009 306,307,567 0.93%
2008 303,486,012 0.96%
2007 300,608,429 0.96%
2006 297,758,969 0.94%
2005 294,993,511 0.90%
2004 292,354,658 0.88%
2003 289,815,562 0.88%
2002 287,279,318 0.94%
2001 284,607,993 1.03%
2000 281,710,909 1.14%
1999 278,548,150 1.23%
1998 275,175,301 1.27%
1997 271,713,635 1.26%
1996 268,335,003 1.20%
1995 265,163,745 1.11%
1994 262,241,196 1.04%
1993 259,532,129 0.99%
1992 256,990,613 0.96%
1991 254,539,370 0.96%
1990 252,120,309 0.96%
1989 249,725,805 0.95%
1988 247,372,264 0.95%
1987 245,052,789 0.94%
1986 242,763,148 0.94%
1985 240,499,825 0.94%
1984 238,256,844 0.94%
1983 236,030,238 0.94%
1982 233,821,844 0.94%
1981 231,636,058 0.94%
1980 229,476,354 0.94%
1979 227,339,318 0.94%
1978 225,223,303 0.94%
1977 223,135,663 0.93%
1976 221,086,429 0.92%
1975 219,081,251 0.91%
1974 217,114,909 0.90%
1973 215,178,797 0.90%
1972 213,269,802 0.89%
1971 211,384,068 0.89%
1970 209,513,341 0.89%
1969 207,659,263 0.90%
1968 205,805,754 0.93%
1967 203,905,080 1.00%
1966 201,895,760 1.08%
1965 199,733,676 1.18%
1964 197,408,505 1.27%
1963 194,932,403 1.36%
1962 192,313,746 1.45%
1961 189,569,843 1.53%
1960 186,720,571 1.60%
1959 183,786,252 1.66%
1958 180,788,392 1.71%
1957 177,751,483 1.74%
1956 174,705,003 1.76%
1955 171,685,336 1.75%
1954 168,736,387 1.70%
1953 165,910,003 1.62%
1952 163,266,028 1.49%
1951 160,872,266 1.30%
1950 158,804,395

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:52 am MD - yes metered, as in controlled by the current laws on the books, as simple as that. And, as afan noted....neither side seems to 'truly' care about it. Which leaves one to question why? Thanks for providing validity to the stat I had already provided, we have doubled in population since 1950. So we use the border much like a metered front door at a night club....so many in, then control the inflow, vs those leaving.

There are plenty who believe the US is already over populated AND arguably the leading reason for Climate Change..right? So we are intentionally making it worse?

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:13 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:52 am MD - yes metered, as in controlled by the current laws on the books, as simple as that. And, as afan noted....neither side seems to 'truly' care about it. Which leaves one to question why? Thanks for providing validity to the stat I had already provided, we have doubled in population since 1950. So we use the border much like a metered front door at a night club....so many in, then control the inflow, vs those leaving.

There are plenty who believe the US is already over populated AND arguably the leading reason for Climate Change..right? So we are intentionally making it worse?

No, what "metered" means, throughout the history of this country, has been "not from "s-hole' countries, but ok from mine"...the definition of where 'dirty, ignorant, inferior' peoples were coming from has shifted over the years, but it's always the same...we don't want the "Other" here.

I obviously don't disagree with you that legally administered immigration is much better than un-administered, undocumented migration. 100% agree. Much preferable.

But the argument that the US can't absorb immigration, conflated with world population growth driving climate change is specious. We are one of the least dense, yet environmentally attractive, countries in the world.

We do have a world population issue, especially in certain areas, though world pop growth has halved in the past 50 years due to falling birth rates in developed countries. But in under developed countries, birth rates remain much higher than their economies and environments can support. But as their economies develop, their birth rates drop.

While one can indeed say that mankind's population growth puts a strain on ecological resources, it is our choices on how to support that growth, enable the economies to thrive, increasing standard of living, that matter far more than simply the more people. Carbon output is a huge issue, as is the use of plastics, and the destruction of rain forests. These are all choices, each of which can actually be addressed if we have the collective will to do so.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:05 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:29 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:52 am

Kismet wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:33 am In case, you haven't noticed there is currently a labor shortage at the low end which is impeding economic recovery. Citizen birthrates are down and the pandemic exacerbates it all. Check out how this country historically used immigration to fuel economic growth even as all of the Nativists howled. Ironic how many of those immigrants then and their offspring are now the modern nativists hypocritically doing all those things that their parents and grandparents had to endure when they arrived.

The argument that we use immigration for pop growth is perplexing, considering our growth has been on a steep upward trajectory. We've doubled in size since 1950. I think that gate needs to be metered a bit closer. Then you have those saying globally, we are over populated and can not sustain this growth....in walks Bill Gates, with his pimp hat like Dr. Evil.

If you rally want to get down to it, this is opportunity to roll out AI and big enmass, which is why we such supply chain issues, globally, on damned near all things...except those that are made by machine.

"metered"...our annual population growth now is less than half that of many of those 70 years, down roughly 40% from the '90's and '2000's.

And indeed, the US birth rate has dropped to about 12 per 1,000 people, from over 15 in the 80's and over 20 in the 50's and 60's....and note that the sector with the highest birth rates in America are recent immigrants, whether legal or illegal.

And no, the US, unlike much of the world, can indeed absorb more population. There are indeed massive population density versus economic capacity, environmental capacity in many places in the world, but not here. Which is obviously why we see the pressure to get here.

But you are among a long list of those who have opposed immigration over the past 200 years. Each era has had its anti-immigration proponents who wanted "metering"...meaning zero other than from their own ancestral regions. Some made those arguments politely, intellectually, others were ugly and violent.

United States - Historical Population Growth Rate Data
Year Population Growth Rate Growth Rate
2021 332,915,073 0.58%
2020 331,002,651 0.59%
2019 329,064,917 0.60%
2018 327,096,265 0.62%
2017 325,084,756 0.64%
2016 323,015,995 0.67%
2015 320,878,310 0.69%
2014 318,673,411 0.72%
2013 316,400,538 0.75%
2012 314,043,885 0.79%
2011 311,584,047 0.83%
2010 309,011,475 0.88%
2009 306,307,567 0.93%
2008 303,486,012 0.96%
2007 300,608,429 0.96%
2006 297,758,969 0.94%
2005 294,993,511 0.90%
2004 292,354,658 0.88%
2003 289,815,562 0.88%
2002 287,279,318 0.94%
2001 284,607,993 1.03%
2000 281,710,909 1.14%
1999 278,548,150 1.23%
1998 275,175,301 1.27%
1997 271,713,635 1.26%
1996 268,335,003 1.20%
1995 265,163,745 1.11%
1994 262,241,196 1.04%
1993 259,532,129 0.99%
1992 256,990,613 0.96%
1991 254,539,370 0.96%
1990 252,120,309 0.96%
1989 249,725,805 0.95%
1988 247,372,264 0.95%
1987 245,052,789 0.94%
1986 242,763,148 0.94%
1985 240,499,825 0.94%
1984 238,256,844 0.94%
1983 236,030,238 0.94%
1982 233,821,844 0.94%
1981 231,636,058 0.94%
1980 229,476,354 0.94%
1979 227,339,318 0.94%
1978 225,223,303 0.94%
1977 223,135,663 0.93%
1976 221,086,429 0.92%
1975 219,081,251 0.91%
1974 217,114,909 0.90%
1973 215,178,797 0.90%
1972 213,269,802 0.89%
1971 211,384,068 0.89%
1970 209,513,341 0.89%
1969 207,659,263 0.90%
1968 205,805,754 0.93%
1967 203,905,080 1.00%
1966 201,895,760 1.08%
1965 199,733,676 1.18%
1964 197,408,505 1.27%
1963 194,932,403 1.36%
1962 192,313,746 1.45%
1961 189,569,843 1.53%
1960 186,720,571 1.60%
1959 183,786,252 1.66%
1958 180,788,392 1.71%
1957 177,751,483 1.74%
1956 174,705,003 1.76%
1955 171,685,336 1.75%
1954 168,736,387 1.70%
1953 165,910,003 1.62%
1952 163,266,028 1.49%
1951 160,872,266 1.30%
1950 158,804,395

Facts hurt.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:18 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:13 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:52 am MD - yes metered, as in controlled by the current laws on the books, as simple as that. And, as afan noted....neither side seems to 'truly' care about it. Which leaves one to question why? Thanks for providing validity to the stat I had already provided, we have doubled in population since 1950. So we use the border much like a metered front door at a night club....so many in, then control the inflow, vs those leaving.

There are plenty who believe the US is already over populated AND arguably the leading reason for Climate Change..right? So we are intentionally making it worse?

No, what "metered" means, throughout the history of this country, has been "not from "s-hole' countries, but ok from mine"...the definition of where 'dirty, ignorant, inferior' peoples were coming from has shifted over the years, but it's always the same...we don't want the "Other" here.

I obviously don't disagree with you that legally administered immigration is much better than un-administered, undocumented migration. 100% agree. Much preferable.

But the argument that the US can't absorb immigration, conflated with world population growth driving climate change is specious. We are one of the least dense, yet environmentally attractive, countries in the world.

We do have a world population issue, especially in certain areas, though world pop growth has halved in the past 50 years due to falling birth rates in developed countries. But in under developed countries, birth rates remain much higher than their economies and environments can support. But as their economies develop, their birth rates drop.

While one can indeed say that mankind's population growth puts a strain on ecological resources, it is our choices on how to support that growth, enable the economies to thrive, increasing standard of living, that matter far more than simply the more people. Carbon output is a huge issue, as is the use of plastics, and the destruction of rain forests. These are all choices, each of which can actually be addressed if we have the collective will to do so.

Ireland’s population today isn’t hasn’t recovered to the level it was in the late 1800’s, so heavy was the flight to this country. Plenty of undocumented folks in Boston today. I know some.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:52 am MD - yes metered, as in controlled by the current laws on the books, as simple as that. And, as afan noted....neither side seems to 'truly' care about it. Which leaves one to question why?

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:08 am You are making the perfect the enemy of the good (again).

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 11:21 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:18 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:13 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:52 am MD - yes metered, as in controlled by the current laws on the books, as simple as that. And, as afan noted....neither side seems to 'truly' care about it. Which leaves one to question why? Thanks for providing validity to the stat I had already provided, we have doubled in population since 1950. So we use the border much like a metered front door at a night club....so many in, then control the inflow, vs those leaving.

There are plenty who believe the US is already over populated AND arguably the leading reason for Climate Change..right? So we are intentionally making it worse?

No, what "metered" means, throughout the history of this country, has been "not from "s-hole' countries, but ok from mine"...the definition of where 'dirty, ignorant, inferior' peoples were coming from has shifted over the years, but it's always the same...we don't want the "Other" here.

I obviously don't disagree with you that legally administered immigration is much better than un-administered, undocumented migration. 100% agree. Much preferable.

But the argument that the US can't absorb immigration, conflated with world population growth driving climate change is specious. We are one of the least dense, yet environmentally attractive, countries in the world.

We do have a world population issue, especially in certain areas, though world pop growth has halved in the past 50 years due to falling birth rates in developed countries. But in under developed countries, birth rates remain much higher than their economies and environments can support. But as their economies develop, their birth rates drop.

While one can indeed say that mankind's population growth puts a strain on ecological resources, it is our choices on how to support that growth, enable the economies to thrive, increasing standard of living, that matter far more than simply the more people. Carbon output is a huge issue, as is the use of plastics, and the destruction of rain forests. These are all choices, each of which can actually be addressed if we have the collective will to do so.

Ireland’s population today isn’t hasn’t recovered to the level it was in the late 1800’s, so heavy was the flight to this country. Plenty of undocumented folks in Boston today. I know some.

Alright now you’re treading on sacred ground as I’m in the Mc clan of AOH folks. Don’t make me call up the MacManus Brothers to regulate for taking ish about the homeland!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VoRrQiORYck

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 11:21 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:18 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:13 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:52 am MD - yes metered, as in controlled by the current laws on the books, as simple as that. And, as afan noted....neither side seems to 'truly' care about it. Which leaves one to question why? Thanks for providing validity to the stat I had already provided, we have doubled in population since 1950. So we use the border much like a metered front door at a night club....so many in, then control the inflow, vs those leaving.

There are plenty who believe the US is already over populated AND arguably the leading reason for Climate Change..right? So we are intentionally making it worse?

No, what "metered" means, throughout the history of this country, has been "not from "s-hole' countries, but ok from mine"...the definition of where 'dirty, ignorant, inferior' peoples were coming from has shifted over the years, but it's always the same...we don't want the "Other" here.

I obviously don't disagree with you that legally administered immigration is much better than un-administered, undocumented migration. 100% agree. Much preferable.

But the argument that the US can't absorb immigration, conflated with world population growth driving climate change is specious. We are one of the least dense, yet environmentally attractive, countries in the world.

We do have a world population issue, especially in certain areas, though world pop growth has halved in the past 50 years due to falling birth rates in developed countries. But in under developed countries, birth rates remain much higher than their economies and environments can support. But as their economies develop, their birth rates drop.

While one can indeed say that mankind's population growth puts a strain on ecological resources, it is our choices on how to support that growth, enable the economies to thrive, increasing standard of living, that matter far more than simply the more people. Carbon output is a huge issue, as is the use of plastics, and the destruction of rain forests. These are all choices, each of which can actually be addressed if we have the collective will to do so.

Ireland’s population today isn’t hasn’t recovered to the level it was in the late 1800’s, so heavy was the flight to this country. Plenty of undocumented folks in Boston today. I know some.

Alright now you’re treading on sacred ground as I’m in the Mc clan of AOH folks. Don’t make me call up the MacManus Brothers to regulate for taking ish about the homeland!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VoRrQiORYck

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 11:46 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 11:21 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:18 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:13 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:52 am MD - yes metered, as in controlled by the current laws on the books, as simple as that. And, as afan noted....neither side seems to 'truly' care about it. Which leaves one to question why? Thanks for providing validity to the stat I had already provided, we have doubled in population since 1950. So we use the border much like a metered front door at a night club....so many in, then control the inflow, vs those leaving.

There are plenty who believe the US is already over populated AND arguably the leading reason for Climate Change..right? So we are intentionally making it worse?

No, what "metered" means, throughout the history of this country, has been "not from "s-hole' countries, but ok from mine"...the definition of where 'dirty, ignorant, inferior' peoples were coming from has shifted over the years, but it's always the same...we don't want the "Other" here.

I obviously don't disagree with you that legally administered immigration is much better than un-administered, undocumented migration. 100% agree. Much preferable.

But the argument that the US can't absorb immigration, conflated with world population growth driving climate change is specious. We are one of the least dense, yet environmentally attractive, countries in the world.

We do have a world population issue, especially in certain areas, though world pop growth has halved in the past 50 years due to falling birth rates in developed countries. But in under developed countries, birth rates remain much higher than their economies and environments can support. But as their economies develop, their birth rates drop.

While one can indeed say that mankind's population growth puts a strain on ecological resources, it is our choices on how to support that growth, enable the economies to thrive, increasing standard of living, that matter far more than simply the more people. Carbon output is a huge issue, as is the use of plastics, and the destruction of rain forests. These are all choices, each of which can actually be addressed if we have the collective will to do so.

Ireland’s population today isn’t hasn’t recovered to the level it was in the late 1800’s, so heavy was the flight to this country. Plenty of undocumented folks in Boston today. I know some.

Alright now you’re treading on sacred ground as I’m in the Mc clan of AOH folks. Don’t make me call up the MacManus Brothers to regulate for taking ish about the homeland!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VoRrQiORYck

How did I miss that!

Kismet wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:33 am

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 6:09 pm Meanwhile, Kismet can't grasp the concept that the Haitian diaspora in S America is capitalizing on the humanitarian situation in Haiti due to the earthquake there, to choose this opportunity to exploit Biden's open border non-enforcement policy. They picked a weak spot in our border defense to exploit. The next surge may target McAllen. The smugglers have a stretegy, we do not.

If your premise was true why wouldn't we see recent increased migration from ALL countries all along the border and not just Haitian diaspora in Del Rio. Another detail you missed is that if these Haitians are classified as refugees in a third country in South America they don't qualify for an asylum claim here as they already have that in said third country. May explain why so many are being immediately deported back to Haiti. So far, the statistics I've seen are 8,000 were returned to Mexico, 2,500 were deported to Haiti and 8,000 (mostly families with relatives already here) were admitted with a hearing for asylum to be scheduled.

In case, you haven't noticed there is currently a labor shortage at the low end which is impeding economic recovery. Citizen birthrates are down and the pandemic exacerbates it all. Check out how this country historically used immigration to fuel economic growth even as all of the Nativists howled. Ironic how many of those immigrants then and their offspring are now the modern nativists hypocritically doing all those things that their parents and grandparents had to endure when they arrived.

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 11:43 am

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:08 am You are making the perfect the enemy of the good (again).

And you're misidentifying the actual problem. You think the southern border is a problem...and you ONLY think it's a problem when a Democrat is in the White House.

I think our overall immigration and visa systems have been broken for 50+ years, leading to tens millions+ illegal residents, RR. That's the real problem, in my view. You don't agree, apparently. And that's fine.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:56 am
As a result, the Biden admin has largely left the fundamental policies of the Trump admin in place, keeping people south of the border, shipping people back, still very difficult asylum rules, etc. What they've done is more signaling than material, removing (somewhat) the sense of brutality by immigration agents and the process at the border. Not really material, just as Trump's "tough" messaging was never very material. Neither being an actual solution.

But different tonally.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:21 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:33 am

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 6:09 pm Meanwhile, Kismet can't grasp the concept that the Haitian diaspora in S America is capitalizing on the humanitarian situation in Haiti due to the earthquake there, to choose this opportunity to exploit Biden's open border non-enforcement policy. They picked a weak spot in our border defense to exploit. The next surge may target McAllen. The smugglers have a stretegy, we do not.

If your premise was true why wouldn't we see recent increased migration from ALL countries all along the border and not just Haitian diaspora in Del Rio. Another detail you missed is that if these Haitians are classified as refugees in a third country in South America they don't qualify for an asylum claim here as they already have that in said third country. May explain why so many are being immediately deported back to Haiti. So far, the statistics I've seen are 8,000 were returned to Mexico, 2,500 were deported to Haiti and 8,000 (mostly families with relatives already here) were admitted with a hearing for asylum to be scheduled.

In case, you haven't noticed there is currently a labor shortage at the low end which is impeding economic recovery. Citizen birthrates are down and the pandemic exacerbates it all. Check out how this country historically used immigration to fuel economic growth even as all of the Nativists howled. Ironic how many of those immigrants then and their offspring are now the modern nativists hypocritically doing all those things that their parents and grandparents had to endure when they arrived.

As I posted above, here's why Haitians are coming now :
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigr ... n-n1279548
Mayorkas blamed the sudden influx on misinformation about the Biden administration’s policy of Temporary Protective Status that allowed Haitians already in the U.S. prior to July 29 to stay for a temporary but undefined period of time. He said many falsely believed if they arrived now, they would also be allowed to stay.

Mayorkas said DHS is “very concerned” that Haitians “are receiving false information that the border is open or Temporary Protective Status is available,” Mayorkas said.
"I want to make sure that it is known that this is not the way to come to the United States," he said. "That is false information."

Many of the newly arrived migrants have not seen Haiti since they fled to Latin American countries after the 2010 earthquake or other natural or political crises.

There are also reports of many discarded id documents from Chile & Brazil on the Mexican side of the border.

Fix the labor shortage by stopping paying workers increased benefits to not work, now that vaccines are available to everyone & schools are open again for child care. Past labor shortages were filled by LEGAL immigrants who entered LAWFULLY. That's how my ancestors came. That process is still in place & aspiring immigrants who use it are being bypassed & cheated out of their opportunity.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:36 pm I thought it was a problem when the caravans from Central America started showing up on our southern border & the coyotes figured out how to scam the asylum process. That started under Obama, Trump reduced it, now Biden has lifted the measures Trump took & the numbers are spiking again.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:36 pm Just because you don't consider the existing laws perfect does not mean we should stop enforcing existing laws & not stop the abuse of the asylum process.

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:57 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:36 pm I thought it was a problem when the caravans from Central America started showing up on our southern border & the coyotes figured out how to scam the asylum process. That started under Obama, Trump reduced it, now Biden has lifted the measures Trump took & the numbers are spiking again.

I know. And I don't care about that. You do, and that's fine. Worrying about the border, while ignoring an actual, entirely fixable problem in addressing the 10 million+ already here seems absurd to me. But you do you.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:36 pm Just because you don't consider the existing laws perfect does not mean we should stop enforcing existing laws & not stop the abuse of the asylum process.

Right back you. We're not enforcing our existing laws with the 10 million+ already here, and the businesses that employ them. And neither you nor Trump care that these laws are being broken, and instead want me to ONLY worry about people coming in via the Southern Border.

And, of course, ignore the Republican leaders who swear the border crossings are a big deal, and then do nothing to stop them, outside of piddly executive orders.

No sale, my man.

Kismet wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:53 pm At the time my ancestors came to this country, they presented themselves at a point of entry and made a claim to stay. They departed Italy without a guarantee of admission.........sound familiar?

Most Irish and German immigrants in both the 19th and 20th Century operated similarly. Ditto for Southern and Eastern Europeans.

Lastly, the policy you reference has been articulated clearly and frequently by the Biden Administration. The misinformation you reference is being provided by other sources. I know of no better way to send the message than to promptly deport 20% of those collected at the border back to Haiti or allow them to return to Mexico (another 50% of those detained).

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:18 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:53 pm At the time my ancestors came to this country, they presented themselves at a point of entry and made a claim to stay. They departed Italy without a guarantee of admission.........sound familiar?

Most Irish and German immigrants in both the 19th and 20th Century operated similarly. Ditto for Southern and Eastern Europeans.

Lastly, the policy you reference has been articulated clearly and frequently by the Biden Administration. The misinformation you reference is being provided by other sources. I know of no better way to send the message than to promptly deport 20% of those collected at the border back to Haiti or allow them to return to Mexico (another 50% of those detained).

Our ancestors were following a lawful process, were not smuggled in, & were not claiming asylum.
Their numbers were metered via quotas established in law.

Biden's last minute deportations are too little, too late. His previous green light statements & policy changes were the GO signal.
The next surge of Haitian migrants are already in Colombia, entering the Darian Gap.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pana ... FKBN2GM0DX
Biden has created a problem for Mexico & all the Central American nations they traverse.
He turned on the magnet drawing these migrants N from their diaspora in S America.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:27 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:18 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:53 pm At the time my ancestors came to this country, they presented themselves at a point of entry and made a claim to stay. They departed Italy without a guarantee of admission.........sound familiar?

Most Irish and German immigrants in both the 19th and 20th Century operated similarly. Ditto for Southern and Eastern Europeans.

Lastly, the policy you reference has been articulated clearly and frequently by the Biden Administration. The misinformation you reference is being provided by other sources. I know of no better way to send the message than to promptly deport 20% of those collected at the border back to Haiti or allow them to return to Mexico (another 50% of those detained).

Our ancestors were following a lawful process, were not smuggled in, & were not claiming asylum.
Their numbers were metered via quotas established in law.

Biden's last minute deportations are too little, too late. His previous green light statements & policy changes were the GO signal.
The next surge of Haitian migrants are already in Colombia, entering the Darian Gap.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pana ... FKBN2GM0DX
Biden has created a problem for Mexico & all the Central American nations they traverse.
He turned on the magnet drawing these migrants N from their diaspora in S America.

Your peeps went through Ellis Island?