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njbill wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:13 pm You omit one teeny tiny detail. The oppo research was not deployed by Clinton. Yes, it leaked out after the election, but it had no impact whatsoever on the Trump campaign because it did not come out until after the election.
The plan was for Clinton to lose and then smear Trump because he was an outsider.
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njbill wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:13 pm You omit one teeny tiny detail. The oppo research was not deployed by Clinton. Yes, it leaked out after the election, but it had no impact whatsoever on the Trump campaign because it did not come out until after the election.
She didn't need to. It was given to the media. Manafort was asked to leave the campaign shortly after the convention.
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Manafort leaving the campaign was the best thing that happened to Trump. Absent that, he may have lost the election. So if you are saying Democratic opposition research is what caused Manafort to be fired – a dubious proposition at best as his own shenanigans were more than enough to get him canned - I guess Trump owes Hillary a big thank you.
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old salt wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:30 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:13 pm You omit one teeny tiny detail. The oppo research was not deployed by Clinton. Yes, it leaked out after the election, but it had no impact whatsoever on the Trump campaign because it did not come out until after the election.
She didn't need to. It was given to the media. Manafort was asked to leave the campaign shortly after the convention.
It was generated by the media in Ukraine, and released there.

There is also the slight problem that Manafort actually was using falsified transactions to bring this money home to avoid paying taxes on it. That is part of what he was found guilty of. If the black ledger was wrong, then he had to have come across a large amount of foreign money some other way.

The simplest explanation here is the best one - Manafort was working for a Russian oligarch and helping a very corrupt former Ukrainian president, and the ledger was hidden because it could be quite explosive in Ukraine (why would an American be so highly involved in running political affairs for the Ukraine presidency?).

And why was Manafort working for Trump with no salary? Not quite so surprising if he in fact was also working for some Russians...
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RedFromMI wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:50 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:30 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:13 pm You omit one teeny tiny detail. The oppo research was not deployed by Clinton. Yes, it leaked out after the election, but it had no impact whatsoever on the Trump campaign because it did not come out until after the election.
She didn't need to. It was given to the media. Manafort was asked to leave the campaign shortly after the convention.
It was generated by the media in Ukraine, and released there.

There is also the slight problem that Manafort actually was using falsified transactions to bring this money home to avoid paying taxes on it. That is part of what he was found guilty of. If the black ledger was wrong, then he had to have come across a large amount of foreign money some other way.

The simplest explanation here is the best one - Manafort was working for a Russian oligarch and helping a very corrupt former Ukrainian president, and the ledger was hidden because it could be quite explosive in Ukraine (why would an American be so highly involved in running political affairs for the Ukraine presidency?).

And why was Manafort working for Trump with no salary? Not quite so surprising if he in fact was also working for some Russians...
Certainly - Manafort was only worried about Manafort. Anyone that spends cash like he did, 20K on a sport coat, well over a million on suits alone. He is worried about keeping his ego fed.

Additionally, because connections in DC are priceless. Just ask Hunter, Chelsea, Jared, et al.
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youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:59 pm
RedFromMI wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:50 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:30 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:13 pm You omit one teeny tiny detail. The oppo research was not deployed by Clinton. Yes, it leaked out after the election, but it had no impact whatsoever on the Trump campaign because it did not come out until after the election.
She didn't need to. It was given to the media. Manafort was asked to leave the campaign shortly after the convention.
It was generated by the media in Ukraine, and released there.

There is also the slight problem that Manafort actually was using falsified transactions to bring this money home to avoid paying taxes on it. That is part of what he was found guilty of. If the black ledger was wrong, then he had to have come across a large amount of foreign money some other way.

The simplest explanation here is the best one - Manafort was working for a Russian oligarch and helping a very corrupt former Ukrainian president, and the ledger was hidden because it could be quite explosive in Ukraine (why would an American be so highly involved in running political affairs for the Ukraine presidency?).

And why was Manafort working for Trump with no salary? Not quite so surprising if he in fact was also working for some Russians...
Certainly - Manafort was only worried about Manafort. Anyone that spends cash like he did, 20K on a sport coat, well over a million on suits alone. He is worried about keeping his ego fed.

Additionally, because connections in DC are priceless. Just ask Hunter, Chelsea, Jared, et al.
Who was Manafort sharing polling data with?
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:02 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:59 pm
RedFromMI wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:50 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:30 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:13 pm You omit one teeny tiny detail. The oppo research was not deployed by Clinton. Yes, it leaked out after the election, but it had no impact whatsoever on the Trump campaign because it did not come out until after the election.
She didn't need to. It was given to the media. Manafort was asked to leave the campaign shortly after the convention.
It was generated by the media in Ukraine, and released there.

There is also the slight problem that Manafort actually was using falsified transactions to bring this money home to avoid paying taxes on it. That is part of what he was found guilty of. If the black ledger was wrong, then he had to have come across a large amount of foreign money some other way.

The simplest explanation here is the best one - Manafort was working for a Russian oligarch and helping a very corrupt former Ukrainian president, and the ledger was hidden because it could be quite explosive in Ukraine (why would an American be so highly involved in running political affairs for the Ukraine presidency?).

And why was Manafort working for Trump with no salary? Not quite so surprising if he in fact was also working for some Russians...
Certainly - Manafort was only worried about Manafort. Anyone that spends cash like he did, 20K on a sport coat, well over a million on suits alone. He is worried about keeping his ego fed.

Additionally, because connections in DC are priceless. Just ask Hunter, Chelsea, Jared, et al.
Who was Manafort sharing polling data with?
No one knows at this point....maybe he had intentions to do so but it did not happen. Mueller was unable to determine this either. Maybe he used the hacked DNC server to transmit the date, but we couldn't access it because they never turned it over. Or maybe it was actually on HRC's closet server and unfortunately it was wiped it clean. :o ;)
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njbill wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:38 pm Manafort leaving the campaign was the best thing that happened to Trump. Absent that, he may have lost the election. So if you are saying Democratic opposition research is what caused Manafort to be fired – a dubious proposition at best as his own shenanigans were more than enough to get him canned - I guess Trump owes Hillary a big thank you.
Maybe. Maybe not. That doesn't change the fact that Ukrainian govt officials worked with a DNC operative against the Trump campaign.

Why did the Ukrainian govt wait to turn over the black ledger until Manafort joined the Trump campaign ?
We had a FBI Legat at the US embassy in Kyiv.
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youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:18 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:02 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:59 pm
RedFromMI wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:50 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:30 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:13 pm You omit one teeny tiny detail. The oppo research was not deployed by Clinton. Yes, it leaked out after the election, but it had no impact whatsoever on the Trump campaign because it did not come out until after the election.
She didn't need to. It was given to the media. Manafort was asked to leave the campaign shortly after the convention.
It was generated by the media in Ukraine, and released there.

There is also the slight problem that Manafort actually was using falsified transactions to bring this money home to avoid paying taxes on it. That is part of what he was found guilty of. If the black ledger was wrong, then he had to have come across a large amount of foreign money some other way.

The simplest explanation here is the best one - Manafort was working for a Russian oligarch and helping a very corrupt former Ukrainian president, and the ledger was hidden because it could be quite explosive in Ukraine (why would an American be so highly involved in running political affairs for the Ukraine presidency?).

And why was Manafort working for Trump with no salary? Not quite so surprising if he in fact was also working for some Russians...
Certainly - Manafort was only worried about Manafort. Anyone that spends cash like he did, 20K on a sport coat, well over a million on suits alone. He is worried about keeping his ego fed.

Additionally, because connections in DC are priceless. Just ask Hunter, Chelsea, Jared, et al.
Who was Manafort sharing polling data with?
No one knows at this point....maybe he had intentions to do so but it did not happen. Mueller was unable to determine this either. Maybe he used the hacked DNC server to transmit the date, but we couldn't access it because they never turned it over. Or maybe it was actually on HRC's closet server and unfortunately it was wiped it clean. :o ;)
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:53 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:18 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:02 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:59 pm
RedFromMI wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:50 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:30 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:13 pm You omit one teeny tiny detail. The oppo research was not deployed by Clinton. Yes, it leaked out after the election, but it had no impact whatsoever on the Trump campaign because it did not come out until after the election.
She didn't need to. It was given to the media. Manafort was asked to leave the campaign shortly after the convention.
It was generated by the media in Ukraine, and released there.

There is also the slight problem that Manafort actually was using falsified transactions to bring this money home to avoid paying taxes on it. That is part of what he was found guilty of. If the black ledger was wrong, then he had to have come across a large amount of foreign money some other way.

The simplest explanation here is the best one - Manafort was working for a Russian oligarch and helping a very corrupt former Ukrainian president, and the ledger was hidden because it could be quite explosive in Ukraine (why would an American be so highly involved in running political affairs for the Ukraine presidency?).

And why was Manafort working for Trump with no salary? Not quite so surprising if he in fact was also working for some Russians...
Certainly - Manafort was only worried about Manafort. Anyone that spends cash like he did, 20K on a sport coat, well over a million on suits alone. He is worried about keeping his ego fed.

Additionally, because connections in DC are priceless. Just ask Hunter, Chelsea, Jared, et al.
Who was Manafort sharing polling data with?
No one knows at this point....maybe he had intentions to do so but it did not happen. Mueller was unable to determine this either. Maybe he used the hacked DNC server to transmit the date, but we couldn't access it because they never turned it over. Or maybe it was actually on HRC's closet server and unfortunately it was wiped it clean. :o ;)
You haven’t read anything. Your head is in the sand. Stay ahead from the V is for Vendetta clown on twitter.
Maybe a brush up on your part is in your future.
This is what I recall, read about 4 paragraphs down. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ik-polling
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
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youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:57 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:53 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:18 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:02 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:59 pm
RedFromMI wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:50 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:30 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:13 pm You omit one teeny tiny detail. The oppo research was not deployed by Clinton. Yes, it leaked out after the election, but it had no impact whatsoever on the Trump campaign because it did not come out until after the election.
She didn't need to. It was given to the media. Manafort was asked to leave the campaign shortly after the convention.
It was generated by the media in Ukraine, and released there.

There is also the slight problem that Manafort actually was using falsified transactions to bring this money home to avoid paying taxes on it. That is part of what he was found guilty of. If the black ledger was wrong, then he had to have come across a large amount of foreign money some other way.

The simplest explanation here is the best one - Manafort was working for a Russian oligarch and helping a very corrupt former Ukrainian president, and the ledger was hidden because it could be quite explosive in Ukraine (why would an American be so highly involved in running political affairs for the Ukraine presidency?).

And why was Manafort working for Trump with no salary? Not quite so surprising if he in fact was also working for some Russians...
Certainly - Manafort was only worried about Manafort. Anyone that spends cash like he did, 20K on a sport coat, well over a million on suits alone. He is worried about keeping his ego fed.

Additionally, because connections in DC are priceless. Just ask Hunter, Chelsea, Jared, et al.
Who was Manafort sharing polling data with?
No one knows at this point....maybe he had intentions to do so but it did not happen. Mueller was unable to determine this either. Maybe he used the hacked DNC server to transmit the date, but we couldn't access it because they never turned it over. Or maybe it was actually on HRC's closet server and unfortunately it was wiped it clean. :o ;)
You haven’t read anything. Your head is in the sand. Stay ahead from the V is for Vendetta clown on twitter.
Maybe a brush up on your part is in your future.
This is what I recall, read about 4 paragraphs down. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ik-polling
Paul didn't share polling data? That's your understanding?
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Re: The Politics of National Security

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:24 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:57 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:53 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:18 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:02 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:59 pm
RedFromMI wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:50 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:30 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:13 pm You omit one teeny tiny detail. The oppo research was not deployed by Clinton. Yes, it leaked out after the election, but it had no impact whatsoever on the Trump campaign because it did not come out until after the election.
She didn't need to. It was given to the media. Manafort was asked to leave the campaign shortly after the convention.
It was generated by the media in Ukraine, and released there.

There is also the slight problem that Manafort actually was using falsified transactions to bring this money home to avoid paying taxes on it. That is part of what he was found guilty of. If the black ledger was wrong, then he had to have come across a large amount of foreign money some other way.

The simplest explanation here is the best one - Manafort was working for a Russian oligarch and helping a very corrupt former Ukrainian president, and the ledger was hidden because it could be quite explosive in Ukraine (why would an American be so highly involved in running political affairs for the Ukraine presidency?).

And why was Manafort working for Trump with no salary? Not quite so surprising if he in fact was also working for some Russians...
Certainly - Manafort was only worried about Manafort. Anyone that spends cash like he did, 20K on a sport coat, well over a million on suits alone. He is worried about keeping his ego fed.

Additionally, because connections in DC are priceless. Just ask Hunter, Chelsea, Jared, et al.
Who was Manafort sharing polling data with?
No one knows at this point....maybe he had intentions to do so but it did not happen. Mueller was unable to determine this either. Maybe he used the hacked DNC server to transmit the date, but we couldn't access it because they never turned it over. Or maybe it was actually on HRC's closet server and unfortunately it was wiped it clean. :o ;)
You haven’t read anything. Your head is in the sand. Stay ahead from the V is for Vendetta clown on twitter.
Maybe a brush up on your part is in your future.
This is what I recall, read about 4 paragraphs down. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ik-polling
Paul didn't share polling data? That's your understanding?
Prove us all wrong. Mueller didn’t, maybe you can.
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
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old salt wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:47 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:38 pm Manafort leaving the campaign was the best thing that happened to Trump. Absent that, he may have lost the election. So if you are saying Democratic opposition research is what caused Manafort to be fired – a dubious proposition at best as his own shenanigans were more than enough to get him canned - I guess Trump owes Hillary a big thank you.
Maybe. Maybe not. That doesn't change the fact that Ukrainian govt officials worked with a DNC operative against the Trump campaign.

Why did the Ukrainian govt wait to turn over the black ledger until Manafort joined the Trump campaign ?
We had a FBI Legat at the US embassy in Kyiv.
Beats me. Which is it? Was it the Ukrainians or Clinton that dropped the dime on Manafort? In either event, as I said, they did Trump a favor because he was turning into poison for the campaign.
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Re: The Politics of National Security

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youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:30 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:24 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:57 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:53 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:18 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:02 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:59 pm
RedFromMI wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:50 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:30 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:13 pm You omit one teeny tiny detail. The oppo research was not deployed by Clinton. Yes, it leaked out after the election, but it had no impact whatsoever on the Trump campaign because it did not come out until after the election.
She didn't need to. It was given to the media. Manafort was asked to leave the campaign shortly after the convention.
It was generated by the media in Ukraine, and released there.

There is also the slight problem that Manafort actually was using falsified transactions to bring this money home to avoid paying taxes on it. That is part of what he was found guilty of. If the black ledger was wrong, then he had to have come across a large amount of foreign money some other way.

The simplest explanation here is the best one - Manafort was working for a Russian oligarch and helping a very corrupt former Ukrainian president, and the ledger was hidden because it could be quite explosive in Ukraine (why would an American be so highly involved in running political affairs for the Ukraine presidency?).

And why was Manafort working for Trump with no salary? Not quite so surprising if he in fact was also working for some Russians...
Certainly - Manafort was only worried about Manafort. Anyone that spends cash like he did, 20K on a sport coat, well over a million on suits alone. He is worried about keeping his ego fed.

Additionally, because connections in DC are priceless. Just ask Hunter, Chelsea, Jared, et al.
Who was Manafort sharing polling data with?
No one knows at this point....maybe he had intentions to do so but it did not happen. Mueller was unable to determine this either. Maybe he used the hacked DNC server to transmit the date, but we couldn't access it because they never turned it over. Or maybe it was actually on HRC's closet server and unfortunately it was wiped it clean. :o ;)
You haven’t read anything. Your head is in the sand. Stay ahead from the V is for Vendetta clown on twitter.
Maybe a brush up on your part is in your future.
This is what I recall, read about 4 paragraphs down. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ik-polling
Paul didn't share polling data? That's your understanding?
Prove us all wrong. Mueller didn’t, maybe you can.
Mueller’s report indicated Manafort didn’t share polling data? Ask Vendetta man..
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Re: The Politics of National Security

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:39 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:30 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:24 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:57 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:53 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:18 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:02 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:59 pm
RedFromMI wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:50 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:30 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:13 pm You omit one teeny tiny detail. The oppo research was not deployed by Clinton. Yes, it leaked out after the election, but it had no impact whatsoever on the Trump campaign because it did not come out until after the election.
She didn't need to. It was given to the media. Manafort was asked to leave the campaign shortly after the convention.
It was generated by the media in Ukraine, and released there.

There is also the slight problem that Manafort actually was using falsified transactions to bring this money home to avoid paying taxes on it. That is part of what he was found guilty of. If the black ledger was wrong, then he had to have come across a large amount of foreign money some other way.

The simplest explanation here is the best one - Manafort was working for a Russian oligarch and helping a very corrupt former Ukrainian president, and the ledger was hidden because it could be quite explosive in Ukraine (why would an American be so highly involved in running political affairs for the Ukraine presidency?).

And why was Manafort working for Trump with no salary? Not quite so surprising if he in fact was also working for some Russians...
Certainly - Manafort was only worried about Manafort. Anyone that spends cash like he did, 20K on a sport coat, well over a million on suits alone. He is worried about keeping his ego fed.

Additionally, because connections in DC are priceless. Just ask Hunter, Chelsea, Jared, et al.
Who was Manafort sharing polling data with?
No one knows at this point....maybe he had intentions to do so but it did not happen. Mueller was unable to determine this either. Maybe he used the hacked DNC server to transmit the date, but we couldn't access it because they never turned it over. Or maybe it was actually on HRC's closet server and unfortunately it was wiped it clean. :o ;)
You haven’t read anything. Your head is in the sand. Stay ahead from the V is for Vendetta clown on twitter.
Maybe a brush up on your part is in your future.
This is what I recall, read about 4 paragraphs down. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ik-polling
Paul didn't share polling data? That's your understanding?
Prove us all wrong. Mueller didn’t, maybe you can.
Mueller’s report indicated Manafort didn’t share polling data? Ask Vendetta man..
I thought you were all about facts....again, prive it wrong.
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Re: The Politics of National Security

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youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:48 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:39 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:30 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:24 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:57 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:53 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:18 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:02 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:59 pm
RedFromMI wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:50 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:30 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:13 pm You omit one teeny tiny detail. The oppo research was not deployed by Clinton. Yes, it leaked out after the election, but it had no impact whatsoever on the Trump campaign because it did not come out until after the election.
She didn't need to. It was given to the media. Manafort was asked to leave the campaign shortly after the convention.
It was generated by the media in Ukraine, and released there.

There is also the slight problem that Manafort actually was using falsified transactions to bring this money home to avoid paying taxes on it. That is part of what he was found guilty of. If the black ledger was wrong, then he had to have come across a large amount of foreign money some other way.

The simplest explanation here is the best one - Manafort was working for a Russian oligarch and helping a very corrupt former Ukrainian president, and the ledger was hidden because it could be quite explosive in Ukraine (why would an American be so highly involved in running political affairs for the Ukraine presidency?).

And why was Manafort working for Trump with no salary? Not quite so surprising if he in fact was also working for some Russians...
Certainly - Manafort was only worried about Manafort. Anyone that spends cash like he did, 20K on a sport coat, well over a million on suits alone. He is worried about keeping his ego fed.

Additionally, because connections in DC are priceless. Just ask Hunter, Chelsea, Jared, et al.
Who was Manafort sharing polling data with?
No one knows at this point....maybe he had intentions to do so but it did not happen. Mueller was unable to determine this either. Maybe he used the hacked DNC server to transmit the date, but we couldn't access it because they never turned it over. Or maybe it was actually on HRC's closet server and unfortunately it was wiped it clean. :o ;)
You haven’t read anything. Your head is in the sand. Stay ahead from the V is for Vendetta clown on twitter.
Maybe a brush up on your part is in your future.
This is what I recall, read about 4 paragraphs down. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ik-polling
Paul didn't share polling data? That's your understanding?
Prove us all wrong. Mueller didn’t, maybe you can.
Mueller’s report indicated Manafort didn’t share polling data? Ask Vendetta man..
I thought you were all about facts....again, prive it wrong.
Prove what wrong?
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Re: The Politics of National Security

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:51 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:48 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:39 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:30 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:24 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:57 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:53 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:18 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:02 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:59 pm
RedFromMI wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:50 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:30 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:13 pm You omit one teeny tiny detail. The oppo research was not deployed by Clinton. Yes, it leaked out after the election, but it had no impact whatsoever on the Trump campaign because it did not come out until after the election.
She didn't need to. It was given to the media. Manafort was asked to leave the campaign shortly after the convention.
It was generated by the media in Ukraine, and released there.

There is also the slight problem that Manafort actually was using falsified transactions to bring this money home to avoid paying taxes on it. That is part of what he was found guilty of. If the black ledger was wrong, then he had to have come across a large amount of foreign money some other way.

The simplest explanation here is the best one - Manafort was working for a Russian oligarch and helping a very corrupt former Ukrainian president, and the ledger was hidden because it could be quite explosive in Ukraine (why would an American be so highly involved in running political affairs for the Ukraine presidency?).

And why was Manafort working for Trump with no salary? Not quite so surprising if he in fact was also working for some Russians...
Certainly - Manafort was only worried about Manafort. Anyone that spends cash like he did, 20K on a sport coat, well over a million on suits alone. He is worried about keeping his ego fed.

Additionally, because connections in DC are priceless. Just ask Hunter, Chelsea, Jared, et al.
Who was Manafort sharing polling data with?
No one knows at this point....maybe he had intentions to do so but it did not happen. Mueller was unable to determine this either. Maybe he used the hacked DNC server to transmit the date, but we couldn't access it because they never turned it over. Or maybe it was actually on HRC's closet server and unfortunately it was wiped it clean. :o ;)
You haven’t read anything. Your head is in the sand. Stay ahead from the V is for Vendetta clown on twitter.
Maybe a brush up on your part is in your future.
This is what I recall, read about 4 paragraphs down. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ik-polling
Paul didn't share polling data? That's your understanding?
Prove us all wrong. Mueller didn’t, maybe you can.
Mueller’s report indicated Manafort didn’t share polling data? Ask Vendetta man..
I thought you were all about facts....again, prive it wrong.
Prove what wrong?
The question you initially asked me above. “Who was manafort sharing polling data with”. You asked it.
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Re: The Politics of National Security

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youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:55 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:51 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:48 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:39 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:30 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:24 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:57 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:53 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:18 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:02 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:59 pm
RedFromMI wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:50 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:30 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:13 pm You omit one teeny tiny detail. The oppo research was not deployed by Clinton. Yes, it leaked out after the election, but it had no impact whatsoever on the Trump campaign because it did not come out until after the election.
She didn't need to. It was given to the media. Manafort was asked to leave the campaign shortly after the convention.
It was generated by the media in Ukraine, and released there.

There is also the slight problem that Manafort actually was using falsified transactions to bring this money home to avoid paying taxes on it. That is part of what he was found guilty of. If the black ledger was wrong, then he had to have come across a large amount of foreign money some other way.

The simplest explanation here is the best one - Manafort was working for a Russian oligarch and helping a very corrupt former Ukrainian president, and the ledger was hidden because it could be quite explosive in Ukraine (why would an American be so highly involved in running political affairs for the Ukraine presidency?).

And why was Manafort working for Trump with no salary? Not quite so surprising if he in fact was also working for some Russians...
Certainly - Manafort was only worried about Manafort. Anyone that spends cash like he did, 20K on a sport coat, well over a million on suits alone. He is worried about keeping his ego fed.

Additionally, because connections in DC are priceless. Just ask Hunter, Chelsea, Jared, et al.
Who was Manafort sharing polling data with?
No one knows at this point....maybe he had intentions to do so but it did not happen. Mueller was unable to determine this either. Maybe he used the hacked DNC server to transmit the date, but we couldn't access it because they never turned it over. Or maybe it was actually on HRC's closet server and unfortunately it was wiped it clean. :o ;)
You haven’t read anything. Your head is in the sand. Stay ahead from the V is for Vendetta clown on twitter.
Maybe a brush up on your part is in your future.
This is what I recall, read about 4 paragraphs down. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ik-polling
Paul didn't share polling data? That's your understanding?
Prove us all wrong. Mueller didn’t, maybe you can.
Mueller’s report indicated Manafort didn’t share polling data? Ask Vendetta man..
I thought you were all about facts....again, prive it wrong.
Prove what wrong?
The question you initially asked me above. “Who was manafort sharing polling data with”. You asked it.
“The Office could not reliably determine Manafort’s purpose in sharing internal polling data with Kilimnik during the campaign period,” Mueller writes. “Because of questions about Manafort’s credibility and our limited ability to gather evidence on what happened to the polling data after it was sent to Kilimnik, the office could not assess what Kilimnik (or others he may have given it to) did with it.”
Let me know what Vendetta Man tells you.
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Re: The Politics of National Security

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Exactly, not factual.
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Re: The Politics of National Security

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youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:16 pm Exactly, not factual.
Mueller fabricated his report? Ask Vendetta man.
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