Re: Is America a racist nation?
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:08 pm
.. don't believe it took 100 odd years before anyone noticed it.
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Damn gangbangers are getting into cockfighting now?!?!Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:05 pmhttps://www.rochestersubway.com/topics/ ... -ridicule/cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:55 pmRead the damn link and educate yourself. YES it took that long before someone noticed that one panel. So your back to your same dumb ass original point... Just provide some historical perspective and context and everything will be just fine.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:48 pmYeah, I don't know hardly anything about your Carousel or the issue at hand, but I'd wager that this wasn't just "noticed" now...I'd wager it was noticed aplenty but no one thought it worthy to listen, and paling in comparison to other 'symbols' offensiveness so didn't draw much attention when there were much worse 'symbols' to focus on...believe me, Aunt Jemima wasn't first noticed to be offensive in the wake of George Floyd, it just wasn't being listened to by the white majority. That's what's really changed, more white folks willing to listen and consider taking action. Eyes more open, hearts more open.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:37 pmI'm guessing you didn't read my link to the Dentzel Carousel at Charlotte Beach? Read it and get back to me. The carousel has been designated as a historical national landmark. Sooooo you have no problem with removing that panel until your vision of " proper context" is defined? Even if it took a 110 years for anybody to notice it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:29 pmI'm ok with that for Stone Mountain, though doubt it would be so crude.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:24 pm Maybe we should have just used some C4 and blown up the sculpture in question???? That is what the Thallllybhan would do and did.
Stone Mountain ain't a UNESCO World Heritage site and will never be one.
It's a monument to slavery, white supremacy, and sedition.
I guess for some that's a "religion"...
But Salty's free to explain his intent. We merely asked...
I'd have to know more about the particular issue of the Carousel, options to address...my first instinct is usually to think about ways that things can be preserved for further education, not destroyed. Not always worth preserving, though, and certainly not always worth presenting in a place of honor.
Doesn't sound like that's what going on with this panel, so perhaps some signage that actually draws attention and delivers real educational value would suffice. If not, then removal of the single panel could well be appropriate...but there are indeed hoops to go through if designated as an historical landmark. So, I'd look first to addressing it through an educational exhibit and signage.
I am with you Cradle…. I don’t know why anyone would be offended….if anything, that chicken should be scared
Considering this skit was done 22yrs ago I’d say folks noticed Aunt Jenima before last year…but it’s still funny as hadesMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:48 pmYeah, I don't know hardly anything about your Carousel or the issue at hand, but I'd wager that this wasn't just "noticed" now...I'd wager it was noticed aplenty but no one thought it worthy to listen, and paling in comparison to other 'symbols' offensiveness so didn't draw much attention when there were much worse 'symbols' to focus on...believe me, Aunt Jemima wasn't first noticed to be offensive in the wake of George Floyd, it just wasn't being listened to by the white majority. That's what's really changed, more white folks willing to listen and consider taking action. Eyes more open, hearts more open.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:37 pmI'm guessing you didn't read my link to the Dentzel Carousel at Charlotte Beach? Read it and get back to me. The carousel has been designated as a historical national landmark. Sooooo you have no problem with removing that panel until your vision of " proper context" is defined? Even if it took a 110 years for anybody to notice it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:29 pmI'm ok with that for Stone Mountain, though doubt it would be so crude.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:24 pm Maybe we should have just used some C4 and blown up the sculpture in question???? That is what the Thallllybhan would do and did.
Stone Mountain ain't a UNESCO World Heritage site and will never be one.
It's a monument to slavery, white supremacy, and sedition.
I guess for some that's a "religion"...
But Salty's free to explain his intent. We merely asked...
I'd have to know more about the particular issue of the Carousel, options to address...my first instinct is usually to think about ways that things can be preserved for further education, not destroyed. Not always worth preserving, though, and certainly not always worth presenting in a place of honor.
Doesn't sound like that's what going on with this panel, so perhaps some signage that actually draws attention and delivers real educational value would suffice. If not, then removal of the single panel could well be appropriate...but there are indeed hoops to go through if designated as an historical landmark. So, I'd look first to addressing it through an educational exhibit and signage.
Who in Rochester is protecting that kid from that Rooster??!! Where is BLM/Antifa?Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:09 pmDamn gangbangers are getting into cockfighting now?!?!Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:05 pmhttps://www.rochestersubway.com/topics/ ... -ridicule/cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:55 pmRead the damn link and educate yourself. YES it took that long before someone noticed that one panel. So your back to your same dumb ass original point... Just provide some historical perspective and context and everything will be just fine.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:48 pmYeah, I don't know hardly anything about your Carousel or the issue at hand, but I'd wager that this wasn't just "noticed" now...I'd wager it was noticed aplenty but no one thought it worthy to listen, and paling in comparison to other 'symbols' offensiveness so didn't draw much attention when there were much worse 'symbols' to focus on...believe me, Aunt Jemima wasn't first noticed to be offensive in the wake of George Floyd, it just wasn't being listened to by the white majority. That's what's really changed, more white folks willing to listen and consider taking action. Eyes more open, hearts more open.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:37 pmI'm guessing you didn't read my link to the Dentzel Carousel at Charlotte Beach? Read it and get back to me. The carousel has been designated as a historical national landmark. Sooooo you have no problem with removing that panel until your vision of " proper context" is defined? Even if it took a 110 years for anybody to notice it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:29 pmI'm ok with that for Stone Mountain, though doubt it would be so crude.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:24 pm Maybe we should have just used some C4 and blown up the sculpture in question???? That is what the Thallllybhan would do and did.
Stone Mountain ain't a UNESCO World Heritage site and will never be one.
It's a monument to slavery, white supremacy, and sedition.
I guess for some that's a "religion"...
But Salty's free to explain his intent. We merely asked...
I'd have to know more about the particular issue of the Carousel, options to address...my first instinct is usually to think about ways that things can be preserved for further education, not destroyed. Not always worth preserving, though, and certainly not always worth presenting in a place of honor.
Doesn't sound like that's what going on with this panel, so perhaps some signage that actually draws attention and delivers real educational value would suffice. If not, then removal of the single panel could well be appropriate...but there are indeed hoops to go through if designated as an historical landmark. So, I'd look first to addressing it through an educational exhibit and signage.
I am with you Cradle…. I don’t know why anyone would be offended….if anything, that chicken should be scared
I clicked through all your links, cradle, I don't see anything confirming that no one noticed the offensiveness of this panel until just now. Perhaps I missed something, so feel free to re-link and point it out where they know that to be the case...the only thing I see is a guy named Brandon Fagan saying he'd visited there many times and hadn't noticed it...he goes on to say he doesn't see anything racist about it...ok Brandon Fagan doesn't get it.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:55 pmRead the damn link and educate yourself. YES it took that long before someone noticed that one panel. So your back to your same dumb ass original point... Just provide some historical perspective and context and everything will be just fine.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:48 pmYeah, I don't know hardly anything about your Carousel or the issue at hand, but I'd wager that this wasn't just "noticed" now...I'd wager it was noticed aplenty but no one thought it worthy to listen, and paling in comparison to other 'symbols' offensiveness so didn't draw much attention when there were much worse 'symbols' to focus on...believe me, Aunt Jemima wasn't first noticed to be offensive in the wake of George Floyd, it just wasn't being listened to by the white majority. That's what's really changed, more white folks willing to listen and consider taking action. Eyes more open, hearts more open.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:37 pmI'm guessing you didn't read my link to the Dentzel Carousel at Charlotte Beach? Read it and get back to me. The carousel has been designated as a historical national landmark. Sooooo you have no problem with removing that panel until your vision of " proper context" is defined? Even if it took a 110 years for anybody to notice it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:29 pmI'm ok with that for Stone Mountain, though doubt it would be so crude.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:24 pm Maybe we should have just used some C4 and blown up the sculpture in question???? That is what the Thallllybhan would do and did.
Stone Mountain ain't a UNESCO World Heritage site and will never be one.
It's a monument to slavery, white supremacy, and sedition.
I guess for some that's a "religion"...
But Salty's free to explain his intent. We merely asked...
I'd have to know more about the particular issue of the Carousel, options to address...my first instinct is usually to think about ways that things can be preserved for further education, not destroyed. Not always worth preserving, though, and certainly not always worth presenting in a place of honor.
Doesn't sound like that's what going on with this panel, so perhaps some signage that actually draws attention and delivers real educational value would suffice. If not, then removal of the single panel could well be appropriate...but there are indeed hoops to go through if designated as an historical landmark. So, I'd look first to addressing it through an educational exhibit and signage.
It’s the mayors fault.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:25 pmWho in Rochester protecting that kid from that Rooster??!! Where is BLM/Antifa?Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:09 pmDamn gangbangers are getting into cockfighting now?!?!Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:05 pmhttps://www.rochestersubway.com/topics/ ... -ridicule/cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:55 pmRead the damn link and educate yourself. YES it took that long before someone noticed that one panel. So your back to your same dumb ass original point... Just provide some historical perspective and context and everything will be just fine.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:48 pmYeah, I don't know hardly anything about your Carousel or the issue at hand, but I'd wager that this wasn't just "noticed" now...I'd wager it was noticed aplenty but no one thought it worthy to listen, and paling in comparison to other 'symbols' offensiveness so didn't draw much attention when there were much worse 'symbols' to focus on...believe me, Aunt Jemima wasn't first noticed to be offensive in the wake of George Floyd, it just wasn't being listened to by the white majority. That's what's really changed, more white folks willing to listen and consider taking action. Eyes more open, hearts more open.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:37 pmI'm guessing you didn't read my link to the Dentzel Carousel at Charlotte Beach? Read it and get back to me. The carousel has been designated as a historical national landmark. Sooooo you have no problem with removing that panel until your vision of " proper context" is defined? Even if it took a 110 years for anybody to notice it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:29 pmI'm ok with that for Stone Mountain, though doubt it would be so crude.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:24 pm Maybe we should have just used some C4 and blown up the sculpture in question???? That is what the Thallllybhan would do and did.
Stone Mountain ain't a UNESCO World Heritage site and will never be one.
It's a monument to slavery, white supremacy, and sedition.
I guess for some that's a "religion"...
But Salty's free to explain his intent. We merely asked...
I'd have to know more about the particular issue of the Carousel, options to address...my first instinct is usually to think about ways that things can be preserved for further education, not destroyed. Not always worth preserving, though, and certainly not always worth presenting in a place of honor.
Doesn't sound like that's what going on with this panel, so perhaps some signage that actually draws attention and delivers real educational value would suffice. If not, then removal of the single panel could well be appropriate...but there are indeed hoops to go through if designated as an historical landmark. So, I'd look first to addressing it through an educational exhibit and signage.
I am with you Cradle…. I don’t know why anyone would be offended….if anything, that chicken should be scared
Nobody paid attention to JayZs The Story of OJ apparently.
Nope. I have mentioned that I was a mass media communications minor in college…One of the courses I took was “The History of Minorities in The Mass Media”. It was an excellent course. Media and The Government was also fantastic.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:50 pmNobody paid attention to JayZs The Story of OJ apparently.
“Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no one was listening, everything must be said again.”Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:50 pmNobody paid attention to JayZs The Story of OJ apparently.
+1000PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:54 pm“Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no one was listening, everything must be said again.”Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:50 pmNobody paid attention to JayZs The Story of OJ apparently.
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There’s a reason repetition is the most powerful rhetorical device.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:54 pm+1000PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:54 pm“Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no one was listening, everything must be said again.”Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:50 pmNobody paid attention to JayZs The Story of OJ apparently.
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Maybe somebody did notice it MD. The chit never hit the fan publicly until recently. I said before, I rode this carousel when I was young. The typical warm summer day was ride the bus to Charlotte Beach ( pronounced Shalott Beach by us locals) you grab an ice cream cone from Abbotts, chocolate custard thank you, then head to the we were looking to ride the carousel, we were not looking for racist panels. I did the same damn thing with my sons MD. I never paid attention to this artwork. If any person ever complained about this panel before it never made the news. Rochester is about as liberal a city as you will find. This is not the kind of issue that gets swept under the rug. I admit when the pictures of this artwork hit the news, I was just as stunned as anybody. They could not be more inappropriate. In 1980 this carousel was granted status as an historical national landmark. IMO when you look at this marvelous carousel and the beautiful hand carved horses, that is all you notice. The question now was what to do with this panel? You could not destroy it. IMO there is no historical context that can properly explain it 110 years down the road.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:28 pmI clicked through all your links, cradle, I don't see anything confirming that no one noticed the offensiveness of this panel until just now. Perhaps I missed something, so feel free to re-link and point it out where they know that to be the case...the only thing I see is a guy named Brandon Fagan saying he'd visited there many times and hadn't noticed it...he goes on to say he doesn't see anything racist about it...ok Brandon Fagan doesn't get it.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:55 pmRead the damn link and educate yourself. YES it took that long before someone noticed that one panel. So your back to your same dumb ass original point... Just provide some historical perspective and context and everything will be just fine.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:48 pmYeah, I don't know hardly anything about your Carousel or the issue at hand, but I'd wager that this wasn't just "noticed" now...I'd wager it was noticed aplenty but no one thought it worthy to listen, and paling in comparison to other 'symbols' offensiveness so didn't draw much attention when there were much worse 'symbols' to focus on...believe me, Aunt Jemima wasn't first noticed to be offensive in the wake of George Floyd, it just wasn't being listened to by the white majority. That's what's really changed, more white folks willing to listen and consider taking action. Eyes more open, hearts more open.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:37 pmI'm guessing you didn't read my link to the Dentzel Carousel at Charlotte Beach? Read it and get back to me. The carousel has been designated as a historical national landmark. Sooooo you have no problem with removing that panel until your vision of " proper context" is defined? Even if it took a 110 years for anybody to notice it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:29 pmI'm ok with that for Stone Mountain, though doubt it would be so crude.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:24 pm Maybe we should have just used some C4 and blown up the sculpture in question???? That is what the Thallllybhan would do and did.
Stone Mountain ain't a UNESCO World Heritage site and will never be one.
It's a monument to slavery, white supremacy, and sedition.
I guess for some that's a "religion"...
But Salty's free to explain his intent. We merely asked...
I'd have to know more about the particular issue of the Carousel, options to address...my first instinct is usually to think about ways that things can be preserved for further education, not destroyed. Not always worth preserving, though, and certainly not always worth presenting in a place of honor.
Doesn't sound like that's what going on with this panel, so perhaps some signage that actually draws attention and delivers real educational value would suffice. If not, then removal of the single panel could well be appropriate...but there are indeed hoops to go through if designated as an historical landmark. So, I'd look first to addressing it through an educational exhibit and signage.
But then we see a link TLD provided from 2015...that's pre-BLM and all the heightened interest in such symbols that goes into great detail as to why the panel is so offensive...as I said, I'd "wager" that just now isn't the first time someone noticed and was offended (won that wager)...indeed, I'd be willing to bet that it was noticed many, many times over many decades...but voicing that offense had costs.
You leaving a Swastika up there and two kids in striped pajamas, wise one?cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:05 pmMaybe somebody did notice it MD. The chit never hit the fan publicly until recently. I said before, I rode this carousel when I was young. The typical warm summer day was ride the bus to Charlotte Beach ( pronounced Shalott Beach by us locals) you grab an ice cream cone from Abbotts, chocolate custard thank you, then head to the we were looking to ride the carousel, we were not looking for racist panels. I did the same damn thing with my sons MD. I never paid attention to this artwork. If any person ever complained about this panel before it never made the news. Rochester is about as liberal a city as you will find. This is not the kind of issue that gets swept under the rug. I admit when the pictures of this artwork hit the news, I was just as stunned as anybody. They could not be more inappropriate. In 1980 this carousel was granted status as an historical national landmark. IMO when you look at this marvelous carousel and the beautiful hand carved horses, that is all you notice. The question now was what to do with this panel? You could not destroy it. IMO there is no historical context that can properly explain it 110 years down the road.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:28 pmI clicked through all your links, cradle, I don't see anything confirming that no one noticed the offensiveness of this panel until just now. Perhaps I missed something, so feel free to re-link and point it out where they know that to be the case...the only thing I see is a guy named Brandon Fagan saying he'd visited there many times and hadn't noticed it...he goes on to say he doesn't see anything racist about it...ok Brandon Fagan doesn't get it.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:55 pmRead the damn link and educate yourself. YES it took that long before someone noticed that one panel. So your back to your same dumb ass original point... Just provide some historical perspective and context and everything will be just fine.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:48 pmYeah, I don't know hardly anything about your Carousel or the issue at hand, but I'd wager that this wasn't just "noticed" now...I'd wager it was noticed aplenty but no one thought it worthy to listen, and paling in comparison to other 'symbols' offensiveness so didn't draw much attention when there were much worse 'symbols' to focus on...believe me, Aunt Jemima wasn't first noticed to be offensive in the wake of George Floyd, it just wasn't being listened to by the white majority. That's what's really changed, more white folks willing to listen and consider taking action. Eyes more open, hearts more open.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:37 pmI'm guessing you didn't read my link to the Dentzel Carousel at Charlotte Beach? Read it and get back to me. The carousel has been designated as a historical national landmark. Sooooo you have no problem with removing that panel until your vision of " proper context" is defined? Even if it took a 110 years for anybody to notice it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:29 pmI'm ok with that for Stone Mountain, though doubt it would be so crude.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:24 pm Maybe we should have just used some C4 and blown up the sculpture in question???? That is what the Thallllybhan would do and did.
Stone Mountain ain't a UNESCO World Heritage site and will never be one.
It's a monument to slavery, white supremacy, and sedition.
I guess for some that's a "religion"...
But Salty's free to explain his intent. We merely asked...
I'd have to know more about the particular issue of the Carousel, options to address...my first instinct is usually to think about ways that things can be preserved for further education, not destroyed. Not always worth preserving, though, and certainly not always worth presenting in a place of honor.
Doesn't sound like that's what going on with this panel, so perhaps some signage that actually draws attention and delivers real educational value would suffice. If not, then removal of the single panel could well be appropriate...but there are indeed hoops to go through if designated as an historical landmark. So, I'd look first to addressing it through an educational exhibit and signage.
But then we see a link TLD provided from 2015...that's pre-BLM and all the heightened interest in such symbols that goes into great detail as to why the panel is so offensive...as I said, I'd "wager" that just now isn't the first time someone noticed and was offended (won that wager)...indeed, I'd be willing to bet that it was noticed many, many times over many decades...but voicing that offense had costs.
FTR, the panel was removed and put into storage somewhere. IMO the panel should have been kept at the carousel in another location with a plaque describing its history at the carousel and informing visitors to its racist history and why it was removed. I'm certainly not trying to defend the picture. I will say that to my knowledge for many decades nobody noticed it.
I never said I wasn't offended. What I said was I never paid much attention to the artwork on all of the panels. The carousel has been in the same location for over 110 years. It was designated an historical national landmark in 1980. Maybe enjoying a chocolate custard from Abbotts and a walk on the pier was enough if a distraction for any child or adult.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:35 pmIt’s the mayors fault.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:25 pmWho in Rochester protecting that kid from that Rooster??!! Where is BLM/Antifa?Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:09 pmDamn gangbangers are getting into cockfighting now?!?!Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:05 pmhttps://www.rochestersubway.com/topics/ ... -ridicule/cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:55 pmRead the damn link and educate yourself. YES it took that long before someone noticed that one panel. So your back to your same dumb ass original point... Just provide some historical perspective and context and everything will be just fine.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:48 pmYeah, I don't know hardly anything about your Carousel or the issue at hand, but I'd wager that this wasn't just "noticed" now...I'd wager it was noticed aplenty but no one thought it worthy to listen, and paling in comparison to other 'symbols' offensiveness so didn't draw much attention when there were much worse 'symbols' to focus on...believe me, Aunt Jemima wasn't first noticed to be offensive in the wake of George Floyd, it just wasn't being listened to by the white majority. That's what's really changed, more white folks willing to listen and consider taking action. Eyes more open, hearts more open.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:37 pmI'm guessing you didn't read my link to the Dentzel Carousel at Charlotte Beach? Read it and get back to me. The carousel has been designated as a historical national landmark. Sooooo you have no problem with removing that panel until your vision of " proper context" is defined? Even if it took a 110 years for anybody to notice it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:29 pmI'm ok with that for Stone Mountain, though doubt it would be so crude.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:24 pm Maybe we should have just used some C4 and blown up the sculpture in question???? That is what the Thallllybhan would do and did.
Stone Mountain ain't a UNESCO World Heritage site and will never be one.
It's a monument to slavery, white supremacy, and sedition.
I guess for some that's a "religion"...
But Salty's free to explain his intent. We merely asked...
I'd have to know more about the particular issue of the Carousel, options to address...my first instinct is usually to think about ways that things can be preserved for further education, not destroyed. Not always worth preserving, though, and certainly not always worth presenting in a place of honor.
Doesn't sound like that's what going on with this panel, so perhaps some signage that actually draws attention and delivers real educational value would suffice. If not, then removal of the single panel could well be appropriate...but there are indeed hoops to go through if designated as an historical landmark. So, I'd look first to addressing it through an educational exhibit and signage.
I am with you Cradle…. I don’t know why anyone would be offended….if anything, that chicken should be scared
About as idiotic an analogy to be made. You ever take your kid for a ride on a merry go round? The kids are more excited about what animal they want to ride.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:17 pmYou leaving a Swastika up there and two kids in striped pajamas, wise one?cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:05 pmMaybe somebody did notice it MD. The chit never hit the fan publicly until recently. I said before, I rode this carousel when I was young. The typical warm summer day was ride the bus to Charlotte Beach ( pronounced Shalott Beach by us locals) you grab an ice cream cone from Abbotts, chocolate custard thank you, then head to the we were looking to ride the carousel, we were not looking for racist panels. I did the same damn thing with my sons MD. I never paid attention to this artwork. If any person ever complained about this panel before it never made the news. Rochester is about as liberal a city as you will find. This is not the kind of issue that gets swept under the rug. I admit when the pictures of this artwork hit the news, I was just as stunned as anybody. They could not be more inappropriate. In 1980 this carousel was granted status as an historical national landmark. IMO when you look at this marvelous carousel and the beautiful hand carved horses, that is all you notice. The question now was what to do with this panel? You could not destroy it. IMO there is no historical context that can properly explain it 110 years down the road.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:28 pmI clicked through all your links, cradle, I don't see anything confirming that no one noticed the offensiveness of this panel until just now. Perhaps I missed something, so feel free to re-link and point it out where they know that to be the case...the only thing I see is a guy named Brandon Fagan saying he'd visited there many times and hadn't noticed it...he goes on to say he doesn't see anything racist about it...ok Brandon Fagan doesn't get it.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:55 pmRead the damn link and educate yourself. YES it took that long before someone noticed that one panel. So your back to your same dumb ass original point... Just provide some historical perspective and context and everything will be just fine.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:48 pmYeah, I don't know hardly anything about your Carousel or the issue at hand, but I'd wager that this wasn't just "noticed" now...I'd wager it was noticed aplenty but no one thought it worthy to listen, and paling in comparison to other 'symbols' offensiveness so didn't draw much attention when there were much worse 'symbols' to focus on...believe me, Aunt Jemima wasn't first noticed to be offensive in the wake of George Floyd, it just wasn't being listened to by the white majority. That's what's really changed, more white folks willing to listen and consider taking action. Eyes more open, hearts more open.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:37 pmI'm guessing you didn't read my link to the Dentzel Carousel at Charlotte Beach? Read it and get back to me. The carousel has been designated as a historical national landmark. Sooooo you have no problem with removing that panel until your vision of " proper context" is defined? Even if it took a 110 years for anybody to notice it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:29 pmI'm ok with that for Stone Mountain, though doubt it would be so crude.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:24 pm Maybe we should have just used some C4 and blown up the sculpture in question???? That is what the Thallllybhan would do and did.
Stone Mountain ain't a UNESCO World Heritage site and will never be one.
It's a monument to slavery, white supremacy, and sedition.
I guess for some that's a "religion"...
But Salty's free to explain his intent. We merely asked...
I'd have to know more about the particular issue of the Carousel, options to address...my first instinct is usually to think about ways that things can be preserved for further education, not destroyed. Not always worth preserving, though, and certainly not always worth presenting in a place of honor.
Doesn't sound like that's what going on with this panel, so perhaps some signage that actually draws attention and delivers real educational value would suffice. If not, then removal of the single panel could well be appropriate...but there are indeed hoops to go through if designated as an historical landmark. So, I'd look first to addressing it through an educational exhibit and signage.
But then we see a link TLD provided from 2015...that's pre-BLM and all the heightened interest in such symbols that goes into great detail as to why the panel is so offensive...as I said, I'd "wager" that just now isn't the first time someone noticed and was offended (won that wager)...indeed, I'd be willing to bet that it was noticed many, many times over many decades...but voicing that offense had costs.
FTR, the panel was removed and put into storage somewhere. IMO the panel should have been kept at the carousel in another location with a plaque describing its history at the carousel and informing visitors to its racist history and why it was removed. I'm certainly not trying to defend the picture. I will say that to my knowledge for many decades nobody noticed it.
You didn’t answer the question. You a kid?cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:25 pmAbout as idiotic an analogy to be made. You ever take your kid for a ride on a merry go round? The kids are more excited about what animal they want to ride.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:17 pmYou leaving a Swastika up there and two kids in striped pajamas, wise one?cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:05 pmMaybe somebody did notice it MD. The chit never hit the fan publicly until recently. I said before, I rode this carousel when I was young. The typical warm summer day was ride the bus to Charlotte Beach ( pronounced Shalott Beach by us locals) you grab an ice cream cone from Abbotts, chocolate custard thank you, then head to the we were looking to ride the carousel, we were not looking for racist panels. I did the same damn thing with my sons MD. I never paid attention to this artwork. If any person ever complained about this panel before it never made the news. Rochester is about as liberal a city as you will find. This is not the kind of issue that gets swept under the rug. I admit when the pictures of this artwork hit the news, I was just as stunned as anybody. They could not be more inappropriate. In 1980 this carousel was granted status as an historical national landmark. IMO when you look at this marvelous carousel and the beautiful hand carved horses, that is all you notice. The question now was what to do with this panel? You could not destroy it. IMO there is no historical context that can properly explain it 110 years down the road.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:28 pmI clicked through all your links, cradle, I don't see anything confirming that no one noticed the offensiveness of this panel until just now. Perhaps I missed something, so feel free to re-link and point it out where they know that to be the case...the only thing I see is a guy named Brandon Fagan saying he'd visited there many times and hadn't noticed it...he goes on to say he doesn't see anything racist about it...ok Brandon Fagan doesn't get it.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:55 pmRead the damn link and educate yourself. YES it took that long before someone noticed that one panel. So your back to your same dumb ass original point... Just provide some historical perspective and context and everything will be just fine.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:48 pmYeah, I don't know hardly anything about your Carousel or the issue at hand, but I'd wager that this wasn't just "noticed" now...I'd wager it was noticed aplenty but no one thought it worthy to listen, and paling in comparison to other 'symbols' offensiveness so didn't draw much attention when there were much worse 'symbols' to focus on...believe me, Aunt Jemima wasn't first noticed to be offensive in the wake of George Floyd, it just wasn't being listened to by the white majority. That's what's really changed, more white folks willing to listen and consider taking action. Eyes more open, hearts more open.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:37 pmI'm guessing you didn't read my link to the Dentzel Carousel at Charlotte Beach? Read it and get back to me. The carousel has been designated as a historical national landmark. Sooooo you have no problem with removing that panel until your vision of " proper context" is defined? Even if it took a 110 years for anybody to notice it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:29 pmI'm ok with that for Stone Mountain, though doubt it would be so crude.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:24 pm Maybe we should have just used some C4 and blown up the sculpture in question???? That is what the Thallllybhan would do and did.
Stone Mountain ain't a UNESCO World Heritage site and will never be one.
It's a monument to slavery, white supremacy, and sedition.
I guess for some that's a "religion"...
But Salty's free to explain his intent. We merely asked...
I'd have to know more about the particular issue of the Carousel, options to address...my first instinct is usually to think about ways that things can be preserved for further education, not destroyed. Not always worth preserving, though, and certainly not always worth presenting in a place of honor.
Doesn't sound like that's what going on with this panel, so perhaps some signage that actually draws attention and delivers real educational value would suffice. If not, then removal of the single panel could well be appropriate...but there are indeed hoops to go through if designated as an historical landmark. So, I'd look first to addressing it through an educational exhibit and signage.
But then we see a link TLD provided from 2015...that's pre-BLM and all the heightened interest in such symbols that goes into great detail as to why the panel is so offensive...as I said, I'd "wager" that just now isn't the first time someone noticed and was offended (won that wager)...indeed, I'd be willing to bet that it was noticed many, many times over many decades...but voicing that offense had costs.
FTR, the panel was removed and put into storage somewhere. IMO the panel should have been kept at the carousel in another location with a plaque describing its history at the carousel and informing visitors to its racist history and why it was removed. I'm certainly not trying to defend the picture. I will say that to my knowledge for many decades nobody noticed it.
First, I appreciate your recognition that it's offensive, "could not be more inappropriate".cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:05 pmMaybe somebody did notice it MD. The chit never hit the fan publicly until recently. I said before, I rode this carousel when I was young. The typical warm summer day was ride the bus to Charlotte Beach ( pronounced Shalott Beach by us locals) you grab an ice cream cone from Abbotts, chocolate custard thank you, then head to the we were looking to ride the carousel, we were not looking for racist panels. I did the same damn thing with my sons MD. I never paid attention to this artwork. If any person ever complained about this panel before it never made the news. Rochester is about as liberal a city as you will find. This is not the kind of issue that gets swept under the rug. I admit when the pictures of this artwork hit the news, I was just as stunned as anybody. They could not be more inappropriate. In 1980 this carousel was granted status as an historical national landmark. IMO when you look at this marvelous carousel and the beautiful hand carved horses, that is all you notice. The question now was what to do with this panel? You could not destroy it. IMO there is no historical context that can properly explain it 110 years down the road.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:28 pmI clicked through all your links, cradle, I don't see anything confirming that no one noticed the offensiveness of this panel until just now. Perhaps I missed something, so feel free to re-link and point it out where they know that to be the case...the only thing I see is a guy named Brandon Fagan saying he'd visited there many times and hadn't noticed it...he goes on to say he doesn't see anything racist about it...ok Brandon Fagan doesn't get it.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:55 pmRead the damn link and educate yourself. YES it took that long before someone noticed that one panel. So your back to your same dumb ass original point... Just provide some historical perspective and context and everything will be just fine.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:48 pmYeah, I don't know hardly anything about your Carousel or the issue at hand, but I'd wager that this wasn't just "noticed" now...I'd wager it was noticed aplenty but no one thought it worthy to listen, and paling in comparison to other 'symbols' offensiveness so didn't draw much attention when there were much worse 'symbols' to focus on...believe me, Aunt Jemima wasn't first noticed to be offensive in the wake of George Floyd, it just wasn't being listened to by the white majority. That's what's really changed, more white folks willing to listen and consider taking action. Eyes more open, hearts more open.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:37 pmI'm guessing you didn't read my link to the Dentzel Carousel at Charlotte Beach? Read it and get back to me. The carousel has been designated as a historical national landmark. Sooooo you have no problem with removing that panel until your vision of " proper context" is defined? Even if it took a 110 years for anybody to notice it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:29 pmI'm ok with that for Stone Mountain, though doubt it would be so crude.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:24 pm Maybe we should have just used some C4 and blown up the sculpture in question???? That is what the Thallllybhan would do and did.
Stone Mountain ain't a UNESCO World Heritage site and will never be one.
It's a monument to slavery, white supremacy, and sedition.
I guess for some that's a "religion"...
But Salty's free to explain his intent. We merely asked...
I'd have to know more about the particular issue of the Carousel, options to address...my first instinct is usually to think about ways that things can be preserved for further education, not destroyed. Not always worth preserving, though, and certainly not always worth presenting in a place of honor.
Doesn't sound like that's what going on with this panel, so perhaps some signage that actually draws attention and delivers real educational value would suffice. If not, then removal of the single panel could well be appropriate...but there are indeed hoops to go through if designated as an historical landmark. So, I'd look first to addressing it through an educational exhibit and signage.
But then we see a link TLD provided from 2015...that's pre-BLM and all the heightened interest in such symbols that goes into great detail as to why the panel is so offensive...as I said, I'd "wager" that just now isn't the first time someone noticed and was offended (won that wager)...indeed, I'd be willing to bet that it was noticed many, many times over many decades...but voicing that offense had costs.
FTR, the panel was removed and put into storage somewhere. IMO the panel should have been kept at the carousel in another location with a plaque describing its history at the carousel and informing visitors to its racist history and why it was removed. I'm certainly not trying to defend the picture. I will say that to my knowledge for many decades nobody noticed it.