All things CoronaVirus

[jhu72]

Quote from jhu72:

"For now I am updating on what is going on in one of the largest national HMOs (wife's employer). They have already cut back their daily patient load by canceling appointments for preventative care in preparation for a huge influx. In those parts of the country where they have not started seeing that influx, they are forcing clinicians to take vacation days on a rotating basis to rest up for the coming battle. They are conducting most of their patient exams via telemedicine so as not to degrade the work force through patient interaction at this time. They have decided to despecialize so that when the battle begins non-internist physicians will work under the direction of the internists (internal medicine specialists) in the groups. This is a force multiplier for the internists, the most capable in handling this type of disease. HMO management has notified their physicians that they under no circumstance are to prescribe the Trump anti-malaria ("he feels good about them") drugs."


Interesting note on the anti-malarial drug as L. Ingraham was on Fox tonight talking to a Lennox Hill oncologist who claims they were seeing encouraging results with the anti-mmalarial drug hydroxycloroquine combined with azithromycine. Imagine Dr. Faucci will have something to say about this soon.

Miracle Drugs are now in short supply. Side effects of off-label usage - they are now in short supply for on-label users - those with diseases where the drugs have been demonstrated to be effective.

[youthathletics]

Worth a listen to start the weekend.... also on the day Kenny Rogers has passed.

We are the World....

[MDlaxfan76]

“Inside the White House, Trump’s advisers struggled to get him to take the virus seriously.”
A compelling case for gross negligence and dereliction of duty in ignoring the clear warning signs of the coming pandemic.“

Michael Bromwich, SDNY vet

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

Here is some of the text, for whose who hit a paywall:

"On Jan. 27, White House aides huddled with then-acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney in his office, trying to get senior officials to pay more attention to the virus, according to people briefed on the meeting. Joe Grogan, the head of the White House Domestic Policy Council, argued that the administration needed to take the virus seriously or it could cost the president his reelection, and that dealing with the virus was likely to dominate life in the United States for many months.

Mulvaney then began convening more regular meetings. In early briefings, however, officials said Trump was dismissive because he did not believe that the virus had spread widely throughout the United States.

By early February, Grogan and others worried that there weren’t enough tests to determine the rate of infection, according to people who spoke directly to Grogan. Other officials, including Matthew Pottinger, the president’s deputy national security adviser, began calling for a more forceful response, according to people briefed on White House meetings.

But Trump resisted and continued to assure Americans that the coronavirus would never run rampant as it had in other countries.

“I think it’s going to work out fine,” Trump said on Feb. 19. “I think when we get into April, in the warmer weather, that has a very negative effect on that and that type of a virus.”

“The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA,” Trump tweeted five days later. “Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

But earlier that month, a senior official in the Department of Health and Human Services delivered a starkly different message to the Senate Intelligence Committee, in a classified briefing that four U.S. officials said covered the coronavirus and its global health implications.

Robert Kadlec, the assistant secretary for preparedness and response — who was joined by intelligence officials, including from the CIA — told committee members that the virus posed a “serious” threat, one of those officials said.

Kadlec didn’t provide specific recommendations, but he said that to get ahead of the virus and blunt its effects, Americans would need to take actions that could disrupt their daily lives, the official said. “It was very alarming.”

Trump’s insistence on the contrary seemed to rest in his relationship with China’s President Xi Jingping, whom Trump believed was providing him with reliable information about how the virus was spreading in China, despite reports from intelligence agencies that Chinese officials were not being candid about the true scale of the crisis.

Some of Trump’s advisers told him that Beijing was not providing accurate numbers of people who were infected or who had died, according to administration officials. Rather than press China to be more forthcoming, Trump publicly praised its response.

“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus,” Trump tweeted Jan. 24. “The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”

Some of Trump’s advisers encouraged him to be tougher on China over its decision not to allow teams from the CDC into the country, administration officials said.

In one February meeting, the president said that if he struck a tougher tone against Xi, the Chinese would be less willing to give the Americans information about how they were tackling the outbreak.

Trump on Feb. 3 banned foreigners who had been in China in the previous 14 days from entering the United States, a step he often credits for helping to protect Americans against the virus. He has also said publicly that the Chinese weren’t honest about the effects of the virus. But that travel ban wasn’t accompanied by additional significant steps to prepare for when the virus eventually infected people in the United States in great numbers.

As the disease spread beyond China, U.S. spy agencies tracked outbreaks in Iran, South Korea, Taiwan, Italy and elsewhere in Europe, the officials familiar with those reports said. The majority of the information came from public sources, including news reports and official statements, but a significant portion also came from classified intelligence sources. As new cases popped up, the volume of reporting spiked.

As the first cases of infection were confirmed in the United States, Trump continued to insist that the risk to Americans was small.

“I think the virus is going to be — it’s going to be fine,” he said on Feb. 10.

“We have a very small number of people in the country, right now, with it,” he said four days later. “It’s like around 12. Many of them are getting better. Some are fully recovered already. So we’re in very good shape.”

On Feb. 25, Nancy Messonnier, a senior CDC official, sounded perhaps the most significant public alarm to that point, when she told reporters that the coronavirus was likely to spread within communities in the United States and that disruptions to daily life could be “severe.” Trump called Azar on his way back from a trip to India and complained that Messonnier was scaring the stock markets, according to two senior administration officials.

Trump eventually changed his tone after being shown statistical models about the spread of the virus from other countries and hearing directly from Deborah Birx, the coordinator of the White House coronavirus task force, as well as from chief executives last week rattled by a plunge in the stock market, said people ­familiar with Trump’s conversations.

But by then, the signs pointing to a major outbreak in the United States were everywhere."

Now think about how very long ago January 27 seems. At least there was enough time for Senator Burr to get out of the market. Phew.

Thanks, worth the read.

[6ftstick]

“Inside the White House, Trump’s advisers struggled to get him to take the virus seriously.”
A compelling case for gross negligence and dereliction of duty in ignoring the clear warning signs of the coming pandemic.“

Michael Bromwich, SDNY vet

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

Not a single attribution. Not one name of a source. No mention of multiple sources corroborating any of the anti Trump bile in all those paragraphs

Go on record folks. You want us to believe this stuff—the lies the WAPO ahas been telling for 4 years—GO ON THE RECORD.

[MDlaxfan76]

“Inside the White House, Trump’s advisers struggled to get him to take the virus seriously.”
A compelling case for gross negligence and dereliction of duty in ignoring the clear warning signs of the coming pandemic.“

Michael Bromwich, SDNY vet

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

Not a single attribution. Not one name of a source. No mention of multiple sources corroborating any of the anti Trump bile in all those paragraphs

Go on record folks. You want us to believe this stuff—the lies the WAPO ahas been telling for 4 years—GO ON THE RECORD.

And be fired during a national crisis?

We know what the President said and when eh said/tweeted it, publicly.
The alternative story would be that the intelligence was never told to him, that the experts were never warning of the impending catastrophe.

Come on, just yesterday Trump said he hadn't reports of people with symptoms not being able to get tested...what, Fox is isn't telling him about it ???!!!

Stay in your TrumpWorld 6ft, it's way more comfortable in there.

[6ftstick]

“Inside the White House, Trump’s advisers struggled to get him to take the virus seriously.”
A compelling case for gross negligence and dereliction of duty in ignoring the clear warning signs of the coming pandemic.“

Michael Bromwich, SDNY vet

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

Not a single attribution. Not one name of a source. No mention of multiple sources corroborating any of the anti Trump bile in all those paragraphs

Go on record folks. You want us to believe this stuff—the lies the WAPO ahas been telling for 4 years—GO ON THE RECORD.

And be fired during a national crisis?

Stay in your TrumpWorld 6ft, it's way more comfortable in there.

This is life and death skippy. Life and death.

The nations lossed Trillions and are about to spend Trillions. You know the truth. Stand Up. Otherwise its just looks like more TDS from the press.

[MDlaxfan76]

“Inside the White House, Trump’s advisers struggled to get him to take the virus seriously.”
A compelling case for gross negligence and dereliction of duty in ignoring the clear warning signs of the coming pandemic.“

Michael Bromwich, SDNY vet

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

Not a single attribution. Not one name of a source. No mention of multiple sources corroborating any of the anti Trump bile in all those paragraphs

Go on record folks. You want us to believe this stuff—the lies the WAPO ahas been telling for 4 years—GO ON THE RECORD.

And be fired during a national crisis?

Stay in your TrumpWorld 6ft, it's way more comfortable in there.

This is life and death skippy. Life and death.

The nations lossed Trillions and are about to spend Trillions. You know the truth. Stand Up. Otherwise its just looks like more TDS from the press.

We know what the President said and when he said/tweeted it, publicly.
The alternative story would be that the intelligence was never told to him, that the experts were never warning of the impending catastrophe.

Come on, just yesterday Trump said he hadn't reports of people with symptoms not being able to get tested...what, Fox is isn't telling him about it ???!!!

I watched a bunch of the governor calls with Trump; they sure as heck were telling him loud and clear that people with symptoms who needed to be tested weren't getting tested, much less ANY surveillance testing.

Fauci contradicted him twice on stage.

and your takeaway is to distrust the serious press....

[6ftstick]

“Inside the White House, Trump’s advisers struggled to get him to take the virus seriously.”
A compelling case for gross negligence and dereliction of duty in ignoring the clear warning signs of the coming pandemic.“

Michael Bromwich, SDNY vet

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

Not a single attribution. Not one name of a source. No mention of multiple sources corroborating any of the anti Trump bile in all those paragraphs

Go on record folks. You want us to believe this stuff—the lies the WAPO ahas been telling for 4 years—GO ON THE RECORD.

And be fired during a national crisis?

Stay in your TrumpWorld 6ft, it's way more comfortable in there.

This is life and death skippy. Life and death.

The nations lossed Trillions and are about to spend Trillions. You know the truth. Stand Up. Otherwise its just looks like more TDS from the press.

We know what the President said and when he said/tweeted it, publicly.
The alternative story would be that the intelligence was never told to him, that the experts were never warning of the impending catastrophe.

Come on, just yesterday Trump said he hadn't reports of people with symptoms not being able to get tested...what, Fox is isn't telling him about it ???!!!

I watched a bunch of the governor calls with Trump; they sure as heck were telling him loud and clear that people with symptoms who needed to be tested weren't getting tested, much less ANY surveillance testing.

Fauci contradicted him twice on stage.

and your takeaway is to distrust the serious press....

Faucci didn't CONRADICT anyone.

Trump was HOPEFUL that the new drugs would work . Faucci said as a scientist he had to study more data in a controlled trial.

[Trinity]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/doctors- ... 3b648e9014

A second opinion. The federal response has been criminal.

[MDlaxfan76]

Here's the thing.

Absent Article 25, which ain't gonna happen, Trump is the POTUS we have.

He's the guy with the ball, whether we like it or not. And he's shooting airball after airball after airball.

The very best thing he could do is to pass the ball and get out of the way, but that's not what he's doing.

The others on the court who could actually hit the basket are trying to get him to pass the ball...what should they do, walk off the court?

And you're right, this isn't a game, it's life and death.

[6ftstick]

Here's the thing.

Absent Article 25, which ain't gonna happen, Trump is the POTUS we have.

He's the guy with the ball, whether we like it or not. And he's shooting airball after airball after airball.

The very best thing he could do is to pass the ball and get out of the way, but that's not what he's doing.

The others on the court who could actually hit the basket are trying to get him to pass the ball...what should they do, walk off the court?

And you're right, this isn't a game, it's life and death.

AND NO ONE IS RESIGNING IN PROTEST.

[dislaxxic]

...and your takeaway is to distrust the serious press....

These smug, over-confident Trumpists have institutionalized false narratives and Fake News. Think about it...the Con has been doing this for DECADES...creating a narrative that puts him in the best light and daring people to contradict him...denigrating those who point out his BS as weak and false. Classic bully behavior. Except this is a Wimp in Bully Clothing. Many of us in here, and - as is increasingly evident - the country at large is just fed up with this BS...Trump needs to be fired and his "style" exiled to Page 6 where it belongs.

Enough is ENOUGH.

..

[MDlaxfan76]

“Inside the White House, Trump’s advisers struggled to get him to take the virus seriously.”
A compelling case for gross negligence and dereliction of duty in ignoring the clear warning signs of the coming pandemic.“

Michael Bromwich, SDNY vet

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

Not a single attribution. Not one name of a source. No mention of multiple sources corroborating any of the anti Trump bile in all those paragraphs

Go on record folks. You want us to believe this stuff—the lies the WAPO ahas been telling for 4 years—GO ON THE RECORD.

And be fired during a national crisis?

Stay in your TrumpWorld 6ft, it's way more comfortable in there.

This is life and death skippy. Life and death.

The nations lossed Trillions and are about to spend Trillions. You know the truth. Stand Up. Otherwise its just looks like more TDS from the press.

We know what the President said and when he said/tweeted it, publicly.
The alternative story would be that the intelligence was never told to him, that the experts were never warning of the impending catastrophe.

Come on, just yesterday Trump said he hadn't reports of people with symptoms not being able to get tested...what, Fox is isn't telling him about it ???!!!

I watched a bunch of the governor calls with Trump; they sure as heck were telling him loud and clear that people with symptoms who needed to be tested weren't getting tested, much less ANY surveillance testing.

Fauci contradicted him twice on stage.

and your takeaway is to distrust the serious press....

Faucci didn't CONRADICT anyone.

Trump was HOPEFUL that the new drugs would work . Faucci said as a scientist he had to study more data in a controlled trial.

Sheesh, Trump said the FDA had approved the drugs for this virus (not true), mixed up the names of the two drugs as if just one, didn't realize that they aren't new at all, they've long been used with malaria and lupus respectively, but certainly aren't cures for COVID-19, even the best case estimates is that they MIGHT be helpful in reducing the impact of the virus.

Fine to hope. We all hope that there will eventually be ways to reduce this virus' impact.

Just tell us the truth.

[6ftstick]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/doctors- ... 3b648e9014

A second opinion. The federal response has been criminal.

from the article

When you are a governor bragging about the packed restaurant that your family is dining in during this pandemic that requires you to stay home, you are essentially stealing N95 masks from the nurses in your state. When you are a U.S. representative appearing on a morning show encouraging people to go to pubs while the head of the nation’s infectious disease response is stating clearly that people need to shelter in place, you have effectively robbed the ICU staff in your district of countless needed ventilators.

What the heck

[MDlaxfan76]

...and your takeaway is to distrust the serious press....

These smug, over-confident Trumpists have institutionalized false narratives and Fake News. Think about it...the Con has been doing this for DECADES...creating a narrative that puts him in the best light and daring people to contradict him...denigrating those who point out his BS as weak and false. Classic bully behavior. Except this is a Wimp in Bully Clothing. Many of us in here, and - as is increasingly evident - the country at large is just fed up with this BS...Trump needs to be fired and his "style" exiled to Page 6 where it belongs.

Enough is ENOUGH.

..

Yup, but...in the meantime...how do those with the experience and knowledge to actually make a difference in this catastrophe work with him?

He's not leaving.

6ft wants anyone bothered by his stubborn stupidity and dishonesty to resign in protest...leaving who?

[MDlaxfan76]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/doctors- ... 3b648e9014

A second opinion. The federal response has been criminal.

from the article

When you are a governor bragging about the packed restaurant that your family is dining in during this pandemic that requires you to stay home, you are essentially stealing N95 masks from the nurses in your state. When you are a U.S. representative appearing on a morning show encouraging people to go to pubs while the head of the nation’s infectious disease response is stating clearly that people need to shelter in place, you have effectively robbed the ICU staff in your district of countless needed ventilators.

What the heck

Exactly.
What the heck do these Trumpists think they're doing?

[6ftstick]

...and your takeaway is to distrust the serious press....

These smug, over-confident Trumpists have institutionalized false narratives and Fake News. Think about it...the Con has been doing this for DECADES...creating a narrative that puts him in the best light and daring people to contradict him...denigrating those who point out his BS as weak and false. Classic bully behavior. Except this is a Wimp in Bully Clothing. Many of us in here, and - as is increasingly evident - the country at large is just fed up with this BS...Trump needs to be fired and his "style" exiled to Page 6 where it belongs.

Enough is ENOUGH.

..

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... virus-poll

[6ftstick]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/doctors- ... 3b648e9014

A second opinion. The federal response has been criminal.

from the article

When you are a governor bragging about the packed restaurant that your family is dining in during this pandemic that requires you to stay home, you are essentially stealing N95 masks from the nurses in your state. When you are a U.S. representative appearing on a morning show encouraging people to go to pubs while the head of the nation’s infectious disease response is stating clearly that people need to shelter in place, you have effectively robbed the ICU staff in your district of countless needed ventilators.

What the heck

Exactly.
What the heck do these Trumpists think they're doing?

That paragraph makes absolutely zero sense.

[MDlaxfan76]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/doctors- ... 3b648e9014

A second opinion. The federal response has been criminal.

from the article

When you are a governor bragging about the packed restaurant that your family is dining in during this pandemic that requires you to stay home, you are essentially stealing N95 masks from the nurses in your state. When you are a U.S. representative appearing on a morning show encouraging people to go to pubs while the head of the nation’s infectious disease response is stating clearly that people need to shelter in place, you have effectively robbed the ICU staff in your district of countless needed ventilators.

What the heck

Exactly.
What the heck do these Trumpists think they're doing?

That paragraph makes absolutely zero sense.

[seacoaster]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/doctors- ... 3b648e9014

A second opinion. The federal response has been criminal.

from the article

When you are a governor bragging about the packed restaurant that your family is dining in during this pandemic that requires you to stay home, you are essentially stealing N95 masks from the nurses in your state. When you are a U.S. representative appearing on a morning show encouraging people to go to pubs while the head of the nation’s infectious disease response is stating clearly that people need to shelter in place, you have effectively robbed the ICU staff in your district of countless needed ventilators.

What the heck

Exactly.
What the heck do these Trumpists think they're doing?

That paragraph makes absolutely zero sense.

Mark Twain's axiom, anyone?