Our Undeclared Wars

[old salt]

We'll just operate smaller, cheaper drones within range of Iranian SAMs.
That's why we just deployed a drone squadron to the region.

Gotta make Iran the bad guys in the eyes of the world (oil users).
We're not there yet.

An actual war with Iran beats a Cold War with Russia any day of the week.

If we don't go to war with Iran, will you be as disappointed as you were to learn from Mueller that our President did not conspire with Russia ?

[a fan]

Gotta make Iran the bad guys in the eyes of the world (oil users).
We're not there yet.

Problem is, anyone with a pulse sees that the 1st world had a deal with Iran, Trump dropped out, and provoked this inevitable response from Hardliners in Iran. We gave this win to the hardliners, like the idiots that we are. "See, I told you that America is the devil, can't be trusted, and wants war".

I wish I could pull up the Laxpower forum, and laugh at all the posters who claimed that with Trump, this kind of provocation would disappear. Because Obama was weak and a chicken, obviously. And Trump is John Wayne, with even smaller hands.....

[a fan]

If we don't go to war with Iran, will you be as disappointed as you were to learn from Mueller that our President did not conspire with Russia ?

We've already lost. But you know this. You advocated for this path, and now you know it was a foppish move made by a narcissist.

We have no good moves here. Nothing that will help short term. Nothing that will help long term. Trump made a mistake.

Once again, the largest military power the world has ever seen has painted themselves into a corner. Again and again, all that spending gives is FEWER choices, not MORE choices.

[Typical Lax Dad]

We'll just operate smaller, cheaper drones within range of Iranian SAMs.
That's why we just deployed a drone squadron to the region.

Gotta make Iran the bad guys in the eyes of the world (oil users).
We're not there yet.

An actual war with Iran beats a Cold War with Russia any day of the week.

If we don't go to war with Iran, will you be as disappointed as you were to learn from Mueller that our President did not conspire with Russia ?

I wasn’t disappointed, sport....won’t be disappointed if we don’t go to war. Won’t be disappointed if we do.

[ggait]

I guess the Trump strategy is, after some period of static that hopefully does not escalate too much, to get the Iranians back to the table, get them to sign some wifty piece of meaningless BS paper, and then have Trump declare victory/problem solved. That's pretty much the Trump Doctrine of foreign relations.

Or you just could have stayed in the JCPOA. Which was the best agreement you could actually hope to get accomplished in the real (not fake) world. But that wasn't an option since it was done by the tan suit guy.

Iran is probably smart enough to not escalate things too much. Doesn't make sense to provoke a hot war with Bone Spurs if there's a good chance he'll be gone in 18 months or so.

[jhu72]

I guess the Trump strategy is, after some period of static that hopefully does not escalate too much, to get the Iranians back to the table, get them to sign some wifty piece of meaningless BS paper, and then have Trump declare victory/problem solved. That's pretty much the Trump Doctrine of foreign relations.

Or you just could have stayed in the JCPOA. Which was the best agreement you could actually hope to get accomplished in the real (not fake) world. But that wasn't an option since it was done by the tan suit guy.

Iran is probably smart enough to not escalate things too much. Doesn't make sense to provoke a hot war with Bone Spurs if there's a good chance he'll be gone in 18 months or so.

I think that has been the Iranian government's position since Trump dumped the agreement. The agreement was a blow to the hardliners in Iran (and the US). The sanctions have worked and squeezed the populous to the point where the hardliners have been able to make a come back. Don't see how the "wait Trump out strategy" works for the Iranian government any longer. The government is going to have to play ball with the hardliners who don't want the agreement. Trump and the US will have to pay a very high price to get the Iranians back to the table. Trump would be happy just getting back to where we were but with his name on the agreement - all he really wanted.

The Europeans, Russians and Chinese can save the deal and dial down the current crises, but will they? They have to say FU to Trump and his sanctions. Putin is already on record (and he is right) that this mess is of US (Trump's) making.

MAGA

Trump and his supporters are such losers!

[cradleandshoot]

Just a few names to bring up here. If any of you remember them or why they are still so significant when it comes to how many leaders of the US military still feel about the leaders of Iran.

Capt. Richard Bakke... USAF

Sgt. John Harvey... USMC

Cpl. George Holmes... USMC

Staff Sgt. Dewey Johnson... USMC

Capt. Harold Lewis... USAF

Tech Sgt. Joel Mayo... USAF

Capt. Lynn McIntosh... USAF

Capt. Charles McMillian... USAF

[old salt]

If we don't go to war with Iran, will you be as disappointed as you were to learn from Mueller that our President did not conspire with Russia ?

We've already lost. But you know this. You advocated for this path, and now you know it was a foppish move made by a narcissist.

We have no good moves here. Nothing that will help short term. Nothing that will help long term. Trump made a mistake.

Once again, the largest military power the world has ever seen has painted themselves into a corner. Again and again, all that spending gives is FEWER choices, not MORE choices.

.. ...one drone shot down & you're declaring defeat. Iran's Houthi proxies shot down a MQ-9 Reaper over Yemen a month ago & you didn't even notice. The IRGC shot at (& missed) a MQ-9 we flew over the damaged tanker last wk. Don't buy into the media hype hysteria.

Our only mistake was exposing a big pricey RQ-4 as a target, instead of using a cheaper, smaller, harder to hit MQ-9.

If Obama had kept the sanctions on until Iran was this desperate, he could have at least gotten them to give up their ballistic missiles (as Kerry assured us they would). Look at the mayhem the IRGC has incited throughout the region with the funding that became available.

So long as Iran is fueling the civil war in Yemen, promoting Shia-Sunni conflict in Iraq, Syria, & Lebanon, & firing on Israel from Golan & Gaza, we need to strangle them with sanctions.

If the JCPOA was so great, why couldn't Obama get it ratified ? All he did was implement a temporary EA that would not survive a GOP Presidency.
Typical Obama bait & switch.

[jhu72]

If we don't go to war with Iran, will you be as disappointed as you were to learn from Mueller that our President did not conspire with Russia ?

We've already lost. But you know this. You advocated for this path, and now you know it was a foppish move made by a narcissist.

We have no good moves here. Nothing that will help short term. Nothing that will help long term. Trump made a mistake.

Once again, the largest military power the world has ever seen has painted themselves into a corner. Again and again, all that spending gives is FEWER choices, not MORE choices.

.. ...one drone shot down & you're declaring defeat. Iran's Houthi proxies shot down a MQ-9 Reaper over Yemen a month ago & you didn't even notice. The IRGC shot at (& missed) a MQ-9 we flew over the damaged tanker last wk. Don't buy into the media hype hysteria.

Our only mistake was exposing a big pricey RQ-4 as a target, instead of using a cheaper, smaller, harder to hit MQ-9.

If Obama had kept the sanctions on until Iran was this desperate, he could have at least gotten them to give up their ballistic missiles (as Kerry assured us they would). Look at the mayhem the IRGC has incited throughout the region with the funding that became available.

So long as Iran is fueling the civil war in Yemen, promoting Shia-Sunni conflict in Iraq, Syria, & Lebanon, & firing on Israel from Golan & Gaza, we need to strangle them with sanctions.

If the JCPOA was so great, why couldn't Obama get it ratified ? All he did was implement a temporary EA that would not survive a GOP Presidency.
Typical Obama bait & switch.

It's all Obama's fault. Your standard BS. The JCPOA was working, was addressing the US' real issue, nuclear weapons.

[old salt]

If we don't go to war with Iran, will you be as disappointed as you were to learn from Mueller that our President did not conspire with Russia ?

We've already lost. But you know this. You advocated for this path, and now you know it was a foppish move made by a narcissist.

We have no good moves here. Nothing that will help short term. Nothing that will help long term. Trump made a mistake.

Once again, the largest military power the world has ever seen has painted themselves into a corner. Again and again, all that spending gives is FEWER choices, not MORE choices.

.. ...one drone shot down & you're declaring defeat. Iran's Houthi proxies shot down a MQ-9 Reaper over Yemen a month ago & you didn't even notice. The IRGC shot at (& missed) a MQ-9 we flew over the damaged tanker last wk. Don't buy into the media hype hysteria.

Our only mistake was exposing a big pricey RQ-4 as a target, instead of using a cheaper, smaller, harder to hit MQ-9.

If Obama had kept the sanctions on until Iran was this desperate, he could have at least gotten them to give up their ballistic missiles (as Kerry assured us they would). Look at the mayhem the IRGC has incited throughout the region with the funding that became available.

So long as Iran is fueling the civil war in Yemen, promoting Shia-Sunni conflict in Iraq, Syria, & Lebanon, & firing on Israel from Golan & Gaza, we need to strangle them with sanctions.

If the JCPOA was so great, why couldn't Obama get it ratified ? All he did was implement a temporary EA that would not survive a GOP Presidency.
Typical Obama bait & switch.

It's all Obama's fault. Your standard BS. The JCPOA was working, was addressing the US' real issue, nuclear weapons.

JCPOA was a fool's errand which only survived a year after Obama left office. All it did was fund the IRGC & generate false hope that Iran would act responsibly. Trump's stopping the IRGC before they can do more damage & saving the greedy EUroburghers from losing the billions they're hot to invest in a criminal theocracy that's bent on disrupting & dominating the region & destroying Israel (which would make you happy).
They learned nothing from their investments in Russia, which still hold them hostage.

[jhu72]

The only thing foolish about JCOPA was the fool who decided to break it.

[old salt]

Head fake. Message for the Mullahs.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/21/trump-a ... eport.html
The Times said that the White House and Pentagon officials declined to comment.
No government officials asked the Times to withhold the article, the report said.

[DocBarrister]

Having an Iranian surrogate shoot down an American aircraft is one thing ... having Iran itself shoot down an American aircraft is a much more serious development.

The stupid and reckless Donald Trump, psychopathic John Bolton, The Party of Stupid (Republicans, as Sen. Hatch & former Gov. Bobby Jindal described their own party), and all the Neocon chicken hawk morons who support them are a far greater threat to our national security than the Iranians.

Never mind the filthy detritus of demented conservative ideology ... it’s the sheer incompetence of Republicans and conservatives that poses a serious threat to the United States ... a greater threat to America than Russia, Iran, China, and North Korea combined.

DocBarrister

[DocBarrister]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-drone ... 019-06-21/

Washington -- President Trump on Thursday ordered the U.S. military to conduct a limited strike against Iran to retaliate for the downing of a Navy surveillance drone in the Persian Gulf region, but he then called off the operation in the evening for unknown reasons. The president's change of course avoided, for now, what would have been the most significant escalation of hostilities between Washington and Tehran in decades.

This just makes Trump look indecisive and weak. Before Trump withdrew from the Iran nuclear deal, Iran was in compliance with the agreement (as all the intelligence agencies of all the signatory nations confirmed, including U.S. intelligence) and Iran was relatively contained. Then Trump hired Bolton, who is pathologically obsessed with regime change in Iran, and apparently indifferent to how many American lives would be lost in another Neocon debacle. Presto ... Iran has resumed its nuclear program and just shot down an American aircraft.

And for what? Regime change is not going to happen in Iran anytime soon. A war against Iran would be disastrous for the United States. And why would Iran renegotiate with the United States when Trump has proven to be a liar who cannot be trusted to maintain an agreement?

What is the endpoint here?

Nothing.

As I said, the incompetence and idiocy of the Neocons, Trump, and the Party of Stupid are a far greater threat to the United States than Iran will ever be.

DocBarrister

[foreverlax]

If we don't go to war with Iran, will you be as disappointed as you were to learn from Mueller that our President did not conspire with Russia ?

We've already lost. But you know this. You advocated for this path, and now you know it was a foppish move made by a narcissist.

We have no good moves here. Nothing that will help short term. Nothing that will help long term. Trump made a mistake.

Once again, the largest military power the world has ever seen has painted themselves into a corner. Again and again, all that spending gives is FEWER choices, not MORE choices.

.. ...one drone shot down & you're declaring defeat. Iran's Houthi proxies shot down a MQ-9 Reaper over Yemen a month ago & you didn't even notice. The IRGC shot at (& missed) a MQ-9 we flew over the damaged tanker last wk. Don't buy into the media hype hysteria.

Our only mistake was exposing a big pricey RQ-4 as a target, instead of using a cheaper, smaller, harder to hit MQ-9.

If Obama had kept the sanctions on until Iran was this desperate, he could have at least gotten them to give up their ballistic missiles (as Kerry assured us they would). Look at the mayhem the IRGC has incited throughout the region with the funding that became available.

So long as Iran is fueling the civil war in Yemen, promoting Shia-Sunni conflict in Iraq, Syria, & Lebanon, & firing on Israel from Golan & Gaza, we need to strangle them with sanctions.

If the JCPOA was so great, why couldn't Obama get it ratified ? All he did was implement a temporary EA that would not survive a GOP Presidency.
Typical Obama bait & switch.

vs threaten, attack, bully, pullback, cower….Trump’s approach to global stability

[jhu72]

Now OD claims he stopped the attack because he didn't want to see 150 Iranians die. Oh yeah, that really happened. Pure ear wash for his zombie corp. He cares about all working men.

He even lies when he makes the right and a good decision.

[Brooklyn]

Trump and his fellow warmongers are beating the drums for war:









Soon enough they will be at home counting their money from all the war profits they will make.

[ggait]

Given the mess he's unnecessarily provoked, it may be the right thing for Trump to have backed off the strike. Who knows.

But can you imagine all the GOP head explosions that would have occurred if that wussy, apology tour, tan suit guy had done such a thing?

OMFG.

[jhu72]

Given the mess he's unnecessarily provoked, it may be the right thing for Trump to have backed off the strike. Who knows.

But can you imagine all the GOP head explosions that would have occurred if that wussy, apology tour, tan suit guy had done such a thing?

OMFG.

Yea, I had already noticed the non-response of all the hypocrites.

[a fan]

You don't get it. The game is: when Trump does something wrong, they say nothing. That's the game.

That way, they get to clutch their pearls and claim offense when we point out their hypocrisy of never criticizing Trump because of his little R.