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Re: Johns Hopkins 2024

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:58 am
by 51percentcorn
'06 this is a prime example of where you display the worst of what is social media. How can you say this kid is not a solution? No one here has any idea. I would wager a fair amount you have never seen this young man play - couldn't pick him out of a line-up and until yesterday a pretty high probability you have never heard his name before. So how do you know? Just because as a freshman he didn't play? You know - for example - Larry Quinn didn't play his first two years at Hopkins? I know that's not apples to apples but the general point is there - i.e. I don't need a recitation of Brian Holman's career. Ultimately he may not play very much - if he indeed transfers. The point is you don't know anything. I also don't want to get into a detailed tedious argument about Versfeld and Caracciolo - but the fact remains that Caracciolo was injured and couldn't compete in the fall IIRC - Versfeld's only season of real consequence with DIII Amherst was 2019 and he came to Hopkins in the '22 season - he had been essentially out of playing competitively for two years as Amherst played 2 games in '20 and cancelled the season in '21. The fact that both played well when called upon shows you never quite know. If Hopkins had acquired anyone with DIII credentials similar to Versfeld's you would be burying them too.

In summary - the two goalie decommits - one each from the 21/22 and 22/23 classes - and early recruiting (IMO) - have created this dumpster fire and Milliman has yet to put it out. BTW - Lucas Lawas started a few games for Marquette this year - he was Big East freshman of the week when he recorded 15 saves against Georgetown - he also recorded 15 saves against Denver - he finished the season however at 47%.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2024

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:13 pm
by Hopfan
Following up on 51’s comment, it’s worth pointing out that if Gelinas does in fact transfer in, that would restore a normal preferred order to the goalie situation which has been a mess as he mentioned, with Verdi/frosh, Gelinas/soph, and Webb/Jr, while waiting for Marcille or Ierlan to decide for next year.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2024

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:32 pm
by DocBarrister
Hopfan wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:13 pm Following up on 51’s comment, it’s worth pointing out that if Gelinas does in fact transfer in, that would restore a normal preferred order to the goalie situation which has been a mess as he mentioned, with Verdi/frosh, Gelinas/soph, and Webb/Jr, while waiting for Marcille or Ierlan to decide for next year.
Verdi is a Chaminade goalie. Whether it’s Marcille and/or Ierlan who plays in goal for Hopkins next season, I think the Blue Jays will have a very talented goalie room for years to come.

DocBarrister

Re: Johns Hopkins 2024

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:23 pm
by JoeMauer89
DocBarrister wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:32 pm
Hopfan wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:13 pm Following up on 51’s comment, it’s worth pointing out that if Gelinas does in fact transfer in, that would restore a normal preferred order to the goalie situation which has been a mess as he mentioned, with Verdi/frosh, Gelinas/soph, and Webb/Jr, while waiting for Marcille or Ierlan to decide for next year.
Verdi is a Chaminade goalie. Whether it’s Marcille and/or Ierlan who plays in goal for Hopkins next season, I think the Blue Jays will have a very talented goalie room for years to come.

DocBarrister
Ierlan still hasn't decided yet. Keep dreaming!

Joe

Re: Johns Hopkins 2024

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:25 pm
by 10stone5
Collison and Willem Firth lit up the scoreboard in OJLL play today for Toronto - that twosome is going to be fun to watch.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2024

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:44 am
by 10stone5
Collison is back to playing OJLL,

Toronto’s game tomorrow is on free stream,

https://m.youtube.com/@theojll/streams

Re: Johns Hopkins 2024

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:57 pm
by jhu06
10stone5 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:25 pm Collison and Willem Firth lit up the scoreboard in OJLL play today for Toronto - that twosome is going to be fun to watch.
If Crawley and PM sat down with Collison after the loss to ND and said "This is the improvement we need from you between now and February 2024" what are they telling him?

Re: Johns Hopkins 2024

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:57 pm
by Sagittarius A*
jhu06 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:57 pm
10stone5 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:25 pm Collison and Willem Firth lit up the scoreboard in OJLL play today for Toronto - that twosome is going to be fun to watch.
If Crawley and PM sat down with Collison after the loss to ND and said "This is the improvement we need from you between now and February 2024" what are they telling him?
They might be telling him to practice shooting from the lefty attack spot. My guess is they would tell him he had a terrific freshman campaign and just keep working on fundamentals in all areas. Would hate to see someone that athletic move out of the midfield rotation though.
Unless the lefty freshman attack is lights out, the only other option I see is moving Grimes to the lefty spot, which was his spot in HS. You could theoretically move Koleton to the crease where he could finish inside with both both Melendez and Angelus feeding him. He impresses me as someone who could finish in traffic. Lots of options on O in 2024.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2024

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:05 pm
by wgdsr
jhu06 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:57 pm
10stone5 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:25 pm Collison and Willem Firth lit up the scoreboard in OJLL play today for Toronto - that twosome is going to be fun to watch.
If Crawley and PM sat down with Collison after the loss to ND and said "This is the improvement we need from you between now and February 2024" what are they telling him?
you might have the conversation backwards here.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2024

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:50 pm
by OCanada
The coaches i have known met w every player after rhe season ended to review their year, goals to accomplish over the summer. discuss how they see them helping the team the next year and getting feedback from the player eg reactions, suggestions etc. i don’t know PM but i assume he is similar

Re: Johns Hopkins 2024

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:30 pm
by jhu06
OCanada wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:50 pm The coaches i have known met w every player after rhe season ended to review their year, goals to accomplish over the summer. discuss how they see them helping the team the next year and getting feedback from the player eg reactions, suggestions etc. i don’t know PM but i assume he is similar
This board seems to think that the goalie situation is the A1 issue going into next year. I think Crawley will be the man with the bullseye we're talking about all of next spring.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2024

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:38 pm
by NOVALax2015
lacrosse2330 wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:55 pm
jrn19 wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:51 pm The kid was a true freshman sitting behind a multi-year starter and a former ACC freshman of the year. Of course he was 3rd string. For being the guy who’s whole thing is complaining about the total lack of research and coverage for lacrosse in every publication under the sun you’d think you’d go to Inside Lacrosse and do 3 clicks and find that out before burying the guy.
You’re just judging him off his freshman year? How about you go and actually watch his high school highlights? Shocking how many people on this site see something and jump on it without any info… trained with him at goalie smith and he always stood out with his size, length and flexibility. Just the man a chance before you jump on him jeez
He might be a fantastic pickup for us, but the comment regarding highlights made me cringe a little. Very hard to get a good feel for a player from his highlights.

Anyway, not casting any aspersions on the young man and certainly hoping he is the real deal!

Re: Johns Hopkins 2024

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:40 pm
by 44WeWantMore
jhu06 wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:30 pm
OCanada wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:50 pm The coaches i have known met w every player after rhe season ended to review their year, goals to accomplish over the summer. discuss how they see them helping the team the next year and getting feedback from the player eg reactions, suggestions etc. i don’t know PM but i assume he is similar
This board seems to think that the goalie situation is the A1 issue going into next year. I think Crawley will be the man with the bullseye we're talking about all of next spring.
I agree goalie is number 1, but if they shore up face-offs (the Jays might need to do better at the clamp to offset their great face-off GB play in 2023), and continue to do a good job on non-face-off ground balls (losing Mazzone hurts) and clearing, the offense should have plenty of chances and I bet they can do plenty with their chances.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2024

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:01 pm
by primitiveskills
jhu06 wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:30 pm
OCanada wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:50 pm The coaches i have known met w every player after rhe season ended to review their year, goals to accomplish over the summer. discuss how they see them helping the team the next year and getting feedback from the player eg reactions, suggestions etc. i don’t know PM but i assume he is similar
This board seems to think that the goalie situation is the A1 issue going into next year. I think Crawley will be the man with the bullseye we're talking about all of next spring.
Guy just had a successful first year as OC and now he's on the hot seat? Silly.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2024

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:11 pm
by HopFan16
They needed to add a goalie. It was non-negotiable. They went out and did that and grabbed a kid with some unknown upside. It doesn't mean he's going to start or is even the heir apparent. But it's a smart add with little to no downside. And they may not be done.

Wing play will need some guys to step up with Mazzone and Hawley gone. Martin was pretty good there in 2022 but was asked to do a lot less this year with Hawley healthy. I love the designated "wing player" position. I'd take a middie aside and say "Pick up the ball on faceoff scrums. That's all you do. Don't worry about anything else." Great way to get another guy involved and keep your primary d-mids fresh. If Martin had to play wings this season I'm not sure he would have held up. He barely did to begin with.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2024

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:14 pm
by nyjay
HopFan16 wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:11 pm I love the designated "wing player" position. I'd take a middie aside and say "Pick up the ball on faceoff scrums. That's all you do. Don't worry about anything else." Great way to get another guy involved and keep your primary d-mids fresh. If Martin had to play wings this season I'm not sure he would have held up. He barely did to begin with.
Wonder if that's a skill that can actually be taught or learned? I'm sure people can improve, but I think there are some guys who just have a knack for seeing where the ball is likely to go and a willingness to just go get it. Whatever it is, Mazzone certainly has it. One thing I will say is that too many youth players mindlessly do line drills without actually thinking about the technique/mechanics of a clean, one-time scoop and coaches never say anything.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2024

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:52 pm
by ohmilax34
nyjay wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:14 pm
HopFan16 wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:11 pm I love the designated "wing player" position. I'd take a middie aside and say "Pick up the ball on faceoff scrums. That's all you do. Don't worry about anything else." Great way to get another guy involved and keep your primary d-mids fresh. If Martin had to play wings this season I'm not sure he would have held up. He barely did to begin with.
Wonder if that's a skill that can actually be taught or learned? I'm sure people can improve, but I think there are some guys who just have a knack for seeing where the ball is likely to go and a willingness to just go get it. Whatever it is, Mazzone certainly has it. One thing I will say is that too many youth players mindlessly do line drills without actually thinking about the technique/mechanics of a clean, one-time scoop and coaches never say anything.
If a coach is dumb enough to put kids into line drills, then they're probably not smart enough to coach the bad technique out of those kids.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2024

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 4:10 pm
by jhu06
51percentcorn wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:58 am '06 this is a prime example of where you display the worst of what is social media. How can you say this kid is not a solution? No one here has any idea. I would wager a fair amount you have never seen this young man play - couldn't pick him out of a line-up and until yesterday a pretty high probability you have never heard his name before. So how do you know? Just because as a freshman he didn't play? You know - for example - Larry Quinn didn't play his first two years at Hopkins? I know that's not apples to apples but the general point is there - i.e. I don't need a recitation of Brian Holman's career. Ultimately he may not play very much - if he indeed transfers. The point is you don't know anything. I also don't want to get into a detailed tedious argument about Versfeld and Caracciolo - but the fact remains that Caracciolo was injured and couldn't compete in the fall IIRC - Versfeld's only season of real consequence with DIII Amherst was 2019 and he came to Hopkins in the '22 season - he had been essentially out of playing competitively for two years as Amherst played 2 games in '20 and cancelled the season in '21. The fact that both played well when called upon shows you never quite know. If Hopkins had acquired anyone with DIII credentials similar to Versfeld's you would be burying them too.

In summary - the two goalie decommits - one each from the 21/22 and 22/23 classes - and early recruiting (IMO) - have created this dumpster fire and Milliman has yet to put it out. BTW - Lucas Lawas started a few games for Marquette this year - he was Big East freshman of the week when he recorded 15 saves against Georgetown - he also recorded 15 saves against Denver - he finished the season however at 47%.
I'm sorry 51 but 3rd goalie on a team that missed the ncaa tournament and that we blew out 17-8 doesn't scream "This guy gets us to Memorial Day". Some of the criticism that you, HF16, and others publicly and privately level at commenters like can be justified from time to time, but his credentials say "In the mix" not plug and star like Brother Mazzone and Melendez.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2024

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:11 pm
by OCanada
primitiveskills wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:01 pm
jhu06 wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:30 pm
OCanada wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:50 pm The coaches i have known met w every player after rhe season ended to review their year, goals to accomplish over the summer. discuss how they see them helping the team the next year and getting feedback from the player eg reactions, suggestions etc. i don’t know PM but i assume he is similar
This board seems to think that the goalie situation is the A1 issue going into next year. I think Crawley will be the man with the bullseye we're talking about all of next spring.
Guy just had a successful first year as OC and now he's on the hot seat? Silly.


On the hot seat after the 2003 season and two years of a bad offense w little criticism. Silly for sure

Re: Johns Hopkins 2024

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:21 pm
by primitiveskills
OCanada wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:11 pm
primitiveskills wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:01 pm
jhu06 wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:30 pm
OCanada wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:50 pm The coaches i have known met w every player after rhe season ended to review their year, goals to accomplish over the summer. discuss how they see them helping the team the next year and getting feedback from the player eg reactions, suggestions etc. i don’t know PM but i assume he is similar
This board seems to think that the goalie situation is the A1 issue going into next year. I think Crawley will be the man with the bullseye we're talking about all of next spring.
Guy just had a successful first year as OC and now he's on the hot seat? Silly.


On the hot seat after the 2003 season and two years of a bad offense w little criticism. Silly for sure
Not sure what you are trying to say