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foreverlax wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:33 am

frmanfan wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:10 am This would of course open the inevitable can of worms. Turn the system over to the politicians, which is what a government run system would be, and it would be "free" insulin today, but what about my medicine? Why am I paying for that? If health care is declared a right, as some claim, there would be no end to this game.

a fan wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 12:10 pm Easy solve.

Allow people to opt out of Medicare. But once they're out, that's it. No coming back. Folks who think government is bad can enjoy not only paying free market premiums at age 70....oh, I'm sure everyone can afford that, no problem....but also, insurers might, you know, not exist at all, because they can't turn a profit.

And then guys like me get laugh my *ss off at the people who think the government is bad, and the free market loves them. The best part would be watching people realize that SS and Medicare's real function is to protect you from the bad decisions/bad luck of other citizens. So when your brother/aunt/grandma opts out of Medicare....and can't afford the free market care, and they are now homeless and can't afford life saving drugs what do you do? Great news! Millions of citizens will get to answer that question in real life!

When can we start this plan? It'd take, what----- a year, a year and a half before everyone would run to Uncle Sam, begging for help?

a fan wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:57 am

foreverlax wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:33 am

I have NO idea how anyone looks at that chart and thinks "problem with the American Health Care system? What Problem?

I guess everyone on this board thinks it makes sense to pay twice the going rate, and to hand it to middle men who do NOTHING to keep you or your family healthy.

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:10 pm Just a small sample. Of course, these NON-profits lobbied for obamacare to pass. Gee.....wonder why.

a fan wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:55 pm

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:10 pm Just a small sample. Of course, these NON-profits lobbied for obamacare to pass. Gee.....wonder why.

Un-possible, RRR....we were told that Obama was a pinko socialist. Now you're trying to tell me that he's a corrupt capitalist, just like our last dozen or so Presidents?

Shhh. Don't tell Hannity. He'll take away Obama's "America-Hating-Socialist" card.

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:06 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:55 pm

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:10 pm Just a small sample. Of course, these NON-profits lobbied for obamacare to pass. Gee.....wonder why.

Un-possible, RRR....we were told that Obama was a pinko socialist. Now you're trying to tell me that he's a corrupt capitalist, just like our last dozen or so Presidents?

Shhh. Don't tell Hannity. He'll take away Obama's "America-Hating-Socialist" card.

Obama is NOT a corrupt capitalist. He is a corrupt oligarch wannabee. Monopolies, no bid contracts and lack of audits rule. something about TAATS

foreverlax wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:24 pm Rick Scott was on Face The Nation

Kelly Anne was on Fox News with Chris Wallace

Mick Mulvaney was on This Week

John Barraso was on Meet the Press

Everyone of them says that the Rs new plan will cover pre-existing conditions, along with Trump.

Not one of them could actually provide any details or links to any proposals.

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:40 pm

foreverlax wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:24 pm Rick Scott was on Face The Nation

Kelly Anne was on Fox News with Chris Wallace

Mick Mulvaney was on This Week

John Barraso was on Meet the Press

Everyone of them says that the Rs new plan will cover pre-existing conditions, along with Trump.

Not one of them could actually provide any details or links to any proposals.

Good question. Were any of them asked about the plan? You're are kidding with that question...that IS the point.

Isn't THIS the plan? (I really don't know ) I doubt it, no one made reference to anything concrete.

H.R.1628 — 115th Congress (2017-2018)

foreverlax wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:48 pm

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:40 pm

foreverlax wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:24 pm Rick Scott was on Face The Nation

Kelly Anne was on Fox News with Chris Wallace

Mick Mulvaney was on This Week

John Barraso was on Meet the Press

Everyone of them says that the Rs new plan will cover pre-existing conditions, along with Trump.

Not one of them could actually provide any details or links to any proposals.

Good question. Were any of them asked about the plan? You're are kidding with that question...that IS the point.

Isn't THIS the plan? (I really don't know ) I doubt it, no one made reference to anything concrete.

H.R.1628 — 115th Congress (2017-2018)

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:59 pm

foreverlax wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:48 pm

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:40 pm

foreverlax wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:24 pm Rick Scott was on Face The Nation

Kelly Anne was on Fox News with Chris Wallace

Mick Mulvaney was on This Week

John Barraso was on Meet the Press

Everyone of them says that the Rs new plan will cover pre-existing conditions, along with Trump.

Not one of them could actually provide any details or links to any proposals.

Good question. Were any of them asked about the plan? You're are kidding with that question...that IS the point.

Isn't THIS the plan? (I really don't know ) I doubt it, no one made reference to anything concrete.

H.R.1628 — 115th Congress (2017-2018)

Don't watch the infotainment shows, so no.....not kidding. The entire point - not a single one of could answer the question...what's the plan?

Do you spend time actually reading the bills? Occassionaly...most of the time there are too many references to existing code to make it worth my effort. Few do. All are in pdf format, so easy to find details quickly. The press awta try it some time.

foreverlax wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:24 pm Rick Scott was on Face The Nation

Kelly Anne was on Fox News with Chris Wallace
Mick Mulvaney was on This Week
John Barraso was on Meet the Press
Everyone of them says that the Rs new plan will cover pre-existing conditions, along with Trump.
Not one of them could actually provide any details or links to any proposals.

dislaxxic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:53 am He really DOES think we're all as dumb as the Deplorables!!

Trump Punts, Says GOP Will Unveil Healthcare Plan ‘Right After The Election’

Skimpy health plans touted by Trump bring back familiar woes for consumers

There used to be a lot of health insurance horror stories like Charley Butler’s.

After the Montana truck driver was diagnosed with testicular cancer in 2016, his insurer balked at paying tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills and then moved to cancel his coverage over a preexisting medical condition.

These practices were largely banned by the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare, which set new national health insurance standards to protect consumers and bar discrimination based on preexisting conditions.

But as the Trump administration has pushed to relax many of these rules, skimpier short-term health plans like the one Butler bought are roaring back, threatening to subject consumers to many of the ordeals patients endured before the healthcare law.

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:10 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:57 am

foreverlax wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:33 am

I have NO idea how anyone looks at that chart and thinks "problem with the American Health Care system? What Problem?

I guess everyone on this board thinks it makes sense to pay twice the going rate, and to hand it to middle men who do NOTHING to keep you or your family healthy.

Ah....the middle man. why the F does a non-profit have almost TWO BILLION dollars in assets/savings/investments?

and this is just Blue cross/Blue Shield of Massachusettes.

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pd ... 2_990O.pdf

I never get any responses to my non profit posts, why am I surprised the average American gives a turd about the cartel business practices that go on with our nations insurance companies, when the well meaning posters on here won't engage.

5 of the BC staff make well over a million dollars. Top guy, Andrew Dreyfus, makes almost $4 million
______________________________________________
NON-Profit Health Insurance Companies. Highest assets, per state. Includes highest paid executive and number making 7 figures.
This includes savings, bonds, stocks, etc.

Maryland- Medstar $2.713 BILLION . 7 execs make over a million. Top person, Ken Samet, makes $5.1 million
http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pd ... 06_990.pdf

New York- pretend liberal land Columbia/Mailman school of health $16.6 BILLION.
8 execs make at least $3 million per year. Top person, Pete Holland, makes $6.6 million

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pd ... 06_990.pdf

California- Kaiser Foundation $20 billion. 33 execs make over a million. Yes, 33. Top exec, Bernard Tyson, makes $10 million.
http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pd ... 12_990.pdf


Just a small sample. Of course, these NON-profits lobbied for obamacare to pass. Gee.....wonder why.

Salaries aside, What the heck is a non-profit doing with billions upon billion in investments?

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:04 am

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:10 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:57 am

foreverlax wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:33 am

I have NO idea how anyone looks at that chart and thinks "problem with the American Health Care system? What Problem?

I guess everyone on this board thinks it makes sense to pay twice the going rate, and to hand it to middle men who do NOTHING to keep you or your family healthy.

Ah....the middle man. why the F does a non-profit have almost TWO BILLION dollars in assets/savings/investments?

and this is just Blue cross/Blue Shield of Massachusettes.

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pd ... 2_990O.pdf

I never get any responses to my non profit posts, why am I surprised the average American gives a turd about the cartel business practices that go on with our nations insurance companies, when the well meaning posters on here won't engage.

5 of the BC staff make well over a million dollars. Top guy, Andrew Dreyfus, makes almost $4 million
______________________________________________
NON-Profit Health Insurance Companies. Highest assets, per state. Includes highest paid executive and number making 7 figures.
This includes savings, bonds, stocks, etc.

Maryland- Medstar $2.713 BILLION . 7 execs make over a million. Top person, Ken Samet, makes $5.1 million
http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pd ... 06_990.pdf

New York- pretend liberal land Columbia/Mailman school of health $16.6 BILLION.
8 execs make at least $3 million per year. Top person, Pete Holland, makes $6.6 million

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pd ... 06_990.pdf

California- Kaiser Foundation $20 billion. 33 execs make over a million. Yes, 33. Top exec, Bernard Tyson, makes $10 million.
http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pd ... 12_990.pdf


Just a small sample. Of course, these NON-profits lobbied for obamacare to pass. Gee.....wonder why.

Salaries aside, What the heck is a non-profit doing with billions upon billion in investments?

I agree with you on your critique of not for profit healthcare co's, especially the insurance co's, and exec salaries.

Why did they lobby for Obamacare? Because it maintained the private health insurance system, indeed increased their customer base, and reduced uncompensated care.

Scared to death of single-payor or even public option.