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runrussellrun wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:32 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:52 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:50 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:21 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:36 pm Recruiting landscape, including the IL gurus/publications really hurt Petro too.

Kids got recruited way too early. IL, assumed these kids were good B/c they got recruited by Hop and rated them high.

Expectations scored.

Kids/Hopkins floundered.

Hopkins fans raged. Petro gets released.

Pietramala is a good coach. I have been a harsh critic of early recruiting. These last two Hopkins classes had solid players in it. uVa/JHU and UNC were the three programs all in on early recruiting in large numbers. Starsia and Petro are gone. I believe if they were recruiting the best juniors instead of the best freshman, they may still be around. Petro will be fine. A change may be good for both parties.

Maryland too. UVA, UNC, and Maryland have all won championships after going all in on early recruiting.

Maryland jumped on later. Also covered it up with Transfers. Lars got rid of mistakes on the team and in the pipeline. I believe recruiting from the best players as juniors is better than as freshmen. JHU, UNC and UVA set the market. Everyone else eventually followed. Enough difference makers dispersed. For instance Heninburg was interested in all 3 of those schools but the classes were full during Spring of his sophomore year in high school....so he ends up at Rutgers. Lots of examples. Just how it was back then.

I never understood why Hopkins didn’t take the same recruiting plan as Notre Dame or Yale. ND and Yale always seem to have smaller classes (10-12 kids). They recruited the top kids in the class early, but only a few and left room for stud juniors. They were always aggressive and able to poach/flip recruits from other programs as well. Plus both schools have similar academic and lacrosse profiles to JHU.

ABClaxfan wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:07 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:52 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:50 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:21 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:36 pm Recruiting landscape, including the IL gurus/publications really hurt Petro too.

Kids got recruited way too early. IL, assumed these kids were good B/c they got recruited by Hop and rated them high.

Expectations scored.

Kids/Hopkins floundered.

Hopkins fans raged. Petro gets released.

Pietramala is a good coach. I have been a harsh critic of early recruiting. These last two Hopkins classes had solid players in it. uVa/JHU and UNC were the three programs all in on early recruiting in large numbers. Starsia and Petro are gone. I believe if they were recruiting the best juniors instead of the best freshman, they may still be around. Petro will be fine. A change may be good for both parties.

Maryland too. UVA, UNC, and Maryland have all won championships after going all in on early recruiting.

Maryland jumped on later. Also covered it up with Transfers. Lars got rid of mistakes on the team and in the pipeline. I believe recruiting from the best players as juniors is better than as freshmen. JHU, UNC and UVA set the market. Everyone else eventually followed. Enough difference makers dispersed. For instance Heninburg was interested in all 3 of those schools but the classes were full during Spring of his sophomore year in high school....so he ends up at Rutgers. Lots of examples. Just how it was back then.

I never understood why Hopkins didn’t take the same recruiting plan as Notre Dame or Yale. ND and Yale always seem to have smaller classes (10-12 kids). They recruited the top kids in the class early, but only a few and left room for stud juniors. They were always aggressive and able to poach/flip recruits from other programs as well. Plus both schools have similar academic and lacrosse profiles to JHU.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:00 am

Cooter wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:58 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:42 am
Those two were good enough. Are you suggesting Maryland hasn’t run guys off and taken in transfers? They lost Cannizarro also. Maryland has the top program in the country. Full Stop.
P.S your starting SSDM was a UHa. transfer...

I think Dylan Maltz was the only starter on the Terps championship team that was a transfer - and he sort of stepped into the hole created by Cannizzaro's transfer out.

More than transfers Tillman usually left himself some room for some late recruits like Tim Muller or Colin Heacock.

Did someone say otherwise?
https://lacrossebucket.com/2020/04/13/b ... yland/amp/

Cooter wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:28 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:00 am

Cooter wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:58 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:42 am
Those two were good enough. Are you suggesting Maryland hasn’t run guys off and taken in transfers? They lost Cannizarro also. Maryland has the top program in the country. Full Stop.
P.S your starting SSDM was a UHa. transfer...

I think Dylan Maltz was the only starter on the Terps championship team that was a transfer - and he sort of stepped into the hole created by Cannizzaro's transfer out.

More than transfers Tillman usually left himself some room for some late recruits like Tim Muller or Colin Heacock.

Did someone say otherwise?
https://lacrossebucket.com/2020/04/13/b ... yland/amp/

You were ignoring it though, and jumping on the bandwagon for attacking Tillman about transfers.

Tillman also recently picked up a late recruit in Colin Burlace.
- not to mention an even later recruit in Daniel Kelly.

Cooter wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:58 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:42 am
Those two were good enough. Are you suggesting Maryland hasn’t run guys off and taken in transfers? They lost Cannizarro also. Maryland has the top program in the country. Full Stop.
P.S your starting SSDM was a UHa. transfer...

I think Dylan Maltz was the only starter on the Terps championship team that was a transfer - and he sort of stepped into the hole created by Cannizzaro's transfer out.

More than transfers Tillman usually left himself some room for some late recruits like Tim Muller or Colin Heacock.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:28 pm In consecutive classes, the first kids to commit to UVA were both cut.

smoova wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:12 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:28 pm In consecutive classes, the first kids to commit to UVA were both cut.

Would you mind sharing which classes?

Cooter wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:28 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:00 am

Cooter wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:58 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:42 am
Those two were good enough. Are you suggesting Maryland hasn’t run guys off and taken in transfers? They lost Cannizarro also. Maryland has the top program in the country. Full Stop.
P.S your starting SSDM was a UHa. transfer...

I think Dylan Maltz was the only starter on the Terps championship team that was a transfer - and he sort of stepped into the hole created by Cannizzaro's transfer out.

More than transfers Tillman usually left himself some room for some late recruits like Tim Muller or Colin Heacock.

Did someone say otherwise?
https://lacrossebucket.com/2020/04/13/b ... yland/amp/

You were ignoring it though, and jumping on the bandwagon for attacking Tillman about transfers.

Tillman also recently picked up a late recruit in Colin Burlace.
- not to mention an even later recruit in Daniel Kelly.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:50 pm

Cooter wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:28 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:00 am

Cooter wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:58 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:42 am
Those two were good enough. Are you suggesting Maryland hasn’t run guys off and taken in transfers? They lost Cannizarro also. Maryland has the top program in the country. Full Stop.
P.S your starting SSDM was a UHa. transfer...

I think Dylan Maltz was the only starter on the Terps championship team that was a transfer - and he sort of stepped into the hole created by Cannizzaro's transfer out.

More than transfers Tillman usually left himself some room for some late recruits like Tim Muller or Colin Heacock.

Did someone say otherwise?
https://lacrossebucket.com/2020/04/13/b ... yland/amp/

You were ignoring it though, and jumping on the bandwagon for attacking Tillman about transfers.

Tillman also recently picked up a late recruit in Colin Burlace.
- not to mention an even later recruit in Daniel Kelly.

didn't that probably help them land a transfer in bj burlace?
umd had 8 transfers listed on their 2017 champ roster, 2 from juco.
that's evidence of... not taking transfers?
didn't dolan start all of the following year?
wasn't chanenchuck a transfer?
didn't they start a transfer at goalie at the beginning of this year? didn't they bring in 4 or 5 this year alone?

more to the point and tld can correct me if i'm wrong in his own thinking... how is taking transfers a bad thing or an accusation of wrong doing on its face?
a more mature young man, likely... a more mature player certainly... a better player than in hs or jr hs... choosing to go to a program that they like/admire/aspire to.
is there some badge of honor for only selecting kids that haven't hit puberty?
if you are getting transfers in, to me that means you're doing a lot of things right.
the running kids off part i won't comment on, know nothing about it.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:50 pm didn't that probably help them land a transfer in bj burlace?

umd had 8 transfers listed on their 2017 champ roster, 2 from juco.

that's evidence of... not taking transfers?

didn't dolan start all of the following year?

wasn't chanenchuck a transfer?

didn't they start a transfer at goalie at the beginning of this year? didn't they bring in 4 or 5 this year alone?

laxpert wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:28 pm The successful lacrosse coach in today’s game has to be a great evaluator of talent. The NFL draft is just days away and even with millions spent , outside pundits, endless evaluations their success rate is something around 50 percent. If they can’t get it right how can Inside Lacrosse be anything better than rough sandpaper. Shack was the number 1 ranked player who had a very good career at JHU, Ben Reeves was ranked in the 70’s with 10 attackman listed ahead of him. He was headed to Hobart before Yale took a chance on him where he won a title along with the Tewaarton.

I also want a coach that has great SSDMs , which might be the toughest position to recruit. Goalie is also difficult since a highly ranked GK’s often come from pedigree programs with a great defense’s in front of them.

You also need someone willing to take on the challenge and risk. Candidates mentioned have done well enough at their current job to have a little job security, well about as much as anyone gets in D1 lacrosse. When it doesn’t work out at the top levels of D1 lacrosse there are not that many opportunities to fall back on. At 0-6 there were a few minor rumblings about Towson but nothing like JHU.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:41 pm

laxpert wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:28 pm The successful lacrosse coach in today’s game has to be a great evaluator of talent. The NFL draft is just days away and even with millions spent , outside pundits, endless evaluations their success rate is something around 50 percent. If they can’t get it right how can Inside Lacrosse be anything better than rough sandpaper. Shack was the number 1 ranked player who had a very good career at JHU, Ben Reeves was ranked in the 70’s with 10 attackman listed ahead of him. He was headed to Hobart before Yale took a chance on him where he won a title along with the Tewaarton.

I also want a coach that has great SSDMs , which might be the toughest position to recruit. Goalie is also difficult since a highly ranked GK’s often come from pedigree programs with a great defense’s in front of them.

You also need someone willing to take on the challenge and risk. Candidates mentioned have done well enough at their current job to have a little job security, well about as much as anyone gets in D1 lacrosse. When it doesn’t work out at the top levels of D1 lacrosse there are not that many opportunities to fall back on. At 0-6 there were a few minor rumblings about Towson but nothing like JHU.

Reeves is a good example of a player that just didn’t play well in showcase settings and wasn’t seen early on.

laxpert wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:28 pm The successful lacrosse coach in today’s game has to be a great evaluator of talent. The NFL draft is just days away and even with millions spent , outside pundits, endless evaluations their success rate is something around 50 percent. If they can’t get it right how can Inside Lacrosse be anything better than rough sandpaper. Shack was the number 1 ranked player who had a very good career at JHU, Ben Reeves was ranked in the 70’s with 10 attackman listed ahead of him. He was headed to Hobart before Yale took a chance on him where he won a title along with the Tewaarton.

I also want a coach that has great SSDMs , which might be the toughest position to recruit. Goalie is also difficult since a highly ranked GK’s often come from pedigree programs with a great defense’s in front of them.

You also need someone willing to take on the challenge and risk. Candidates mentioned have done well enough at their current job to have a little job security, well about as much as anyone gets in D1 lacrosse. When it doesn’t work out at the top levels of D1 lacrosse there are not that many opportunities to fall back on. At 0-6 there were a few minor rumblings about Towson but nothing like JHU.

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:33 am In his first 8 years, Petro did great. In his final 12, not as great. What changed?

Wheels wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:51 am 1) More programs. 2) Conference realignment and expansion. 3) Changes in recruiting. 4) Introduction of the shot clock.

laxpert wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:28 pm The successful lacrosse coach in today’s game has to be a great evaluator of talent. The NFL draft is just days away and even with millions spent , outside pundits, endless evaluations their success rate is something around 50 percent. If they can’t get it right how can Inside Lacrosse be anything better than rough sandpaper. Shack was the number 1 ranked player who had a very good career at JHU, Ben Reeves was ranked in the 70’s with 10 attackman listed ahead of him. He was headed to Hobart before Yale took a chance on him where he won a title along with the Tewaarton.

I also want a coach that has great SSDMs , which might be the toughest position to recruit. Goalie is also difficult since a highly ranked GK’s often come from pedigree programs with a great defense’s in front of them.

You also need someone willing to take on the challenge and risk. Candidates mentioned have done well enough at their current job to have a little job security, well about as much as anyone gets in D1 lacrosse. When it doesn’t work out at the top levels of D1 lacrosse there are not that many opportunities to fall back on. At 0-6 there were a few minor rumblings about Towson but nothing like JHU.