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Post by UpperCorner »

Do you have to be on a top tier team to make this All-NESCAC list? Are there no good players on the lower ranked teams? I get it - the top ranked teams are top ranked because they have good players... but I saw some defensive players shut down those top players this year and they are not mentioned.

I watched that goalie from Conn College play some seriously great games... and he did not have a great defense in front of him.

Having watched Bowdoin - prob the most entertaining team to watch - were they the best players or the best team? I would argue that they were a complete team and played so cohesively that they were outstanding.

Who votes for it? I presume its the coaches who had to do the scouting all year? Not saying that these players do not deserve it - they are all damn good - just saying there is a small sub-set of teams represented here.
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InsiderRoll wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 10:37 am
low2low wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 10:20 am
laxguy5 wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 8:13 pm All-Nescac coming out tomorrow... who do you have? Here's my stab:
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COY - Mason/Woods (toss up)
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Agree with most of this but think that Mason is a lock for COY. Bowdoin lacrosse has never been this good. In his first year as Head Coach, he literally broke program records. What more could he have possibly done to earn this accolade? I guess he could have led Bowdoin to a win over Tufts to go undefeated but he wasn't even at the game due to covid! Woods did an amazing job following a lot of turmoil at Amherst but that program was well established under Thompson and attracted top recruits who are still on the team. Bowdoin came out of nowhere. I could go on but of all the "of the year" accolades, I think Mason being COY isn't even up for debate.
I would agree. There are certainly a few coaches that hs good years. Barnard and Woods come to mind, but Mason has had a monster year with a team that hasn’t been successful at a high level in some time.
Thirded - it's unfortunate that Barnard and Woods had such strong seasons in the same year that Bowdoin popped under Mason, but Bill hit this one out of the park.
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Do you have to be on a top tier team to make this All-NESCAC list?
Usually yes. Once in a while a player that proved exceptional on a bad team sneaks in, but most years it is the top teams taking all spots.
Thirded - it's unfortunate that Barnard and Woods had such strong seasons in the same year that Bowdoin popped under Mason, but Bill hit this one out of the park.
Agree. As much as every fiber in my body wants Barnard to get it after finally having a good season. But, Bill and Bowdoin blew it up.
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New England Small College Athletic Conference


NESCAC Men's Lacrosse All-Conference Teams Announced
Men's Lacrosse
Posted: 5/5/2022 11:00:00 AM
HADLEY, Mass. – The Bowdoin Polar Bears have swept the NESCAC Men’s Lacrosse individual honors, marking the first time since 2001 one institution has won the three major individual awards.

Senior Donal Mullane was voted as the NESCAC Player of the Year, sophomore Will Byrne was selected as the NESCAC Rookie of the Year, and Bowdoin head coach Bill Mason was named the NESCAC Coach of the Year by his peers.

Mullane is the second Polar Bear to garner the NESCAC Player of the honor and also earned a spot on the All-NESCAC First Team. He has 94 points on 54 goals and 40 assists in 13 games. Mullane is averaging 4.15 goals, 3.08 assists, and 7.23 points per game to lead the NESCAC in all three categories and has contributed at least five points in every game he has played this season.

Byrne, who was named to the All-NESCAC Second Team, is the second NESCAC Rookie of the Year recipient in the Bowdoin program. Byrne ranks second among the Polar Bears’ offensive leaders with 72 points on 46 goals and 26 helpers. He has recorded a hat trick in nine games this season.

Mason, who is in his first season at the helm of the Bowdoin program, becomes the third Polar Bear coach to garner the NESCAC Coach of the Year honor. Mason led Bowdoin to the best start in program history (14-0) and the second-seeded Polar Bears enter a NESCAC Semifinal matchup versus No. 3 Amherst with 15 wins, tying the program record for single-season victories set by the 1989 and 1990 squads.

2022 NESCAC Men’s Lacrosse All-Conference Team
Player of the Year: Donal Mullane, Bowdoin
Rookie of the Year: Will Byrne, Bowdoin
Coach of the Year: Bill Mason, Bowdoin

2022 NESCAC Men's Lacrosse All-NESCAC Team
First Team
Pos Name Institution Class Hometown Previous Honors
A Jack Boyden Tufts Jr. Toronto Ontario
A Mac Bredahl Tufts Sr. Chatham, N.J. 2021 Player of the Year, 2021 1st Team
A Donal Mullane Bowdoin Sr. Washington, D.C.
M Camden Kelleher Tufts Sr. Longmeadow, Mass. 2021 1st Team
M Spencer Robbins Wesleyan Sr. Longmeadow, Mass.
M Jack Sheehan Middlebury Jr. New York, N.Y.
D Chris Burdick Williams Sr. Riverside, Conn.
D Jack Venturelli Conn. College Jr. Duxbury, Mass.
D Marc Welch Hamilton Sr. Skaneateles, N.Y. 2021 2nd Team
FOM Ethan Barnard Bowdoin So. Boxford, Mass.
LSM Kyle Camphausen Wesleyan Sr. Wayland, Mass.
SSM Zach Goorno Bowdoin So. Concord, Mass.
G Seamus Fagan Hamilton Jr. Sudbury, Mass.
Second Team
Pos Name Institution Class Hometown Previous Selections
A Will Byrne Bowdoin So. Darien, Conn.
A Brock Gonzalez Amherst Jr. Plantation, Fla.
A Justin Hazard Wesleyan Jr. Glastonbury, Conn.
M Bayard DeMallie Amherst Jr. Ridgewood, N.J.
M Jack Rickards Colby Sr. Andover, Mass. 2021 1st Team
M Tim Sommer Hamilton Jr. Mamaroneck, N.Y.
D Kyle Adelmann Tufts Jr. San Mateo, Calif.
D AJ Bravo Bowdoin Sr. Ft. Lauderdale, N.Y.
D Nolan Collins Wesleyan Jr. Hanson, Mass.
D Luke Simpson Middlebury Jr. Ridgewood, N.J.
FOM Nicholas Kopp Amherst Fy. Damascus, Md.
SSM Brodie Rayment Amherst Jr. Medfield, Mass.
LSM Jayme Wilde Hamilton Fy. Upton, Mass.
G Robert Hobbs Bowdoin Fy. Wayne, Pa.
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UpperCorner wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 11:46 am Do you have to be on a top tier team to make this All-NESCAC list?

Who votes for it? I presume its the coaches who had to do the scouting all year? Not saying that these players do not deserve it - they are all damn good - just saying there is a small sub-set of teams represented here.
Yes, you do. There are many examples of legitimately deserving players being excluded from the list. It's a large conference, and they do not have an "honorable mention" team. Can be frustrating for those types who are exceptional players on sub-par teams.

It's voted on by the coaches.
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2013. NESCAC POY was Ian Deveau, of Colby. He has been the NESCAC ROY in 2009, and All-NESCAC all the way through. Four years.

Colby was last in the NESCAC in 2013.

Another serious POY candidate on some middling Colby teams was Craig Bunker, who if the award was M Valuable, probably would have run away with it. There was no more valuable player to his team. DIII AA for three years, DIII Specialty POY {FOGO}. Bunker won something like 71-72% of his draws that year. Close the year before. Dominant.

Well recognized despite the team’s record. During Bunker’s time, including the JT years, Colby was better…relatively speaking.

From what I heard…via a few NESCAC coach friends, those two were SO dominant that you could not look past them.
But, Bunker was not the POY. JT in private would say it night have been a defacto vote against HIM. Youngest NESCAC coach could rub some the wrong way back then.

So it has happened. Will it again? Who knows?
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Here's the breakdown of the 2022 teams, ordered by # of players on the All-NESCAC teams:

Conf. Standings - Team - Total (1st Team/2nd Team)
#2 Bowdoin - 6 (3/3)
#1 Tufts - 4 (3/1)
#4 Wesleyan - 4 (2/2)
#7 Hamilton - 4 (2/2)
#3 Amherst - 4 (0/4)
#5 Middlebury - 2 (1/1)
#6 Williams - 1 (1/0)
#8 Conn. - 1 (1/0)
#9 Colby - 1 (0/1)
#10 Trinity - 0
#11 Bates - 0

I will be the first to say that I think there have been some indefensible All-NESCAC selections/omissions at points over the last 5-6 years. However, it does feel like this year is at least somewhat balanced. Out of curiosity, who from one of the conference's bottom teams deserves to be All-NESCAC that wasn't, and who on either of the All-NESCAC teams would get bumped? Just from looking at the stats pages (incomplete way to do it, I know) I'm having a hard time finding any major snubs. Interested to see if anyone has particular players in mind.
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He was injured for the last couple games, but Parker Merrill, if memory serves, was leading the conference in faceoff win % at one point in time. I'm surprised he wasn't a second teamer.
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Yeah that's a weird one, good call. Best in-conference numbers (virtual tie with Barnard; .612 to .611), third overall behind Barnard and the Wesleyan duo/trio. Wonder if it's a volume/availability thing, he took a lot fewer faceoffs than either Barnard or Kopp. Barnard 432/Kopp 400/Merrill 315.
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Projections for tomorrow:
- Tufts 16 Wes 13
- Bowdoin 18 Amherst 10

Should be a good weekend!
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Delay of game call with less than one minute left in a one-goal game? Let em play, refs!
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Lax3 wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 6:44 pm Delay of game call with less than one minute left in a one-goal game? Let em play, refs!
When the refs have to be police escorted out after a lacrosse game, you know they f*cked up
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laxdad420420 wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 8:47 pm
nescac commit wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 7:07 pm
Lax3 wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 6:44 pm Delay of game call with less than one minute left in a one-goal game? Let em play, refs!
When the refs have to be police escorted out after a lacrosse game, you know they f*cked up
Wesleyan Parent here - Was at the game. The Amherst player did not give 5 yards at the whistle (or remotely close to it, was maybe half a yard) and then proceeded to jack the player the second the whistle was blown. No one to blame but the undisciplined play of Amherst. Not just the correct call, but a great one. Unfortunate for my boys though earlier in the day… Go beat tufts
Have no affiliation to either team or NESCAC. Watched the video to see what happen. Ball goes out of bounds, ref let the Bowdoin player start 5 to 10 yards forward where the ball went out of bounds. You can't quick restart that far forward. It was the correct call on the delay of game, except the ball should have never started there. If you think that was fair you were routing for Bowdoin.
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Not sure it’s possible to watch the video and arrive at any conclusion. The entire play happens off-screen. It’s at the 2:17:25 mark in the video here. The camera work was a joke.
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I know Tufts is a very good team...but I see Bowdin as a very overrated team. NESCAC is a tough conference, and they beat everyone but Tufts... but I guess I see Tufts play them, they just make them look very average. They have no real out of conference games against the top 15 teams to see how they stack up as well. They are young and will be scary in the next few years though.
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Tufts looked strong today. Should be a good tournament where the NY state teams will prove challenging, but clearly Tufts is the team to beat in New England.
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nescac commit wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 7:07 pm
Lax3 wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 6:44 pm Delay of game call with less than one minute left in a one-goal game? Let em play, refs!
When the refs have to be police escorted out after a lacrosse game, you know they f*cked up
Or, crazy parents/fans actIng like spoiled children because they didn’t agree with something.

It’s no wonder we have a ref shortage.
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