SCOTUS

[ggait]

Looks like the Pennsylvania constitutional provision in play here was approved by the legislature.

Bill -- thanks. I was wondering about this.

The "legislature" acts in a number of different ways. It passes election laws (which have to be signed by the gov fyi), it passes emergency laws, it passes laws setting up election boards to which certain regulatory powers are delegatd to, it passes a state constitution, etc. Basically the "legislature" is the whole legal system, typically review-able by the courts of such state.

Seems quite anti-conservative and anti-states rights to say that SCOTUS gets to be the general court of appeal loomimg over state supreme courts due to the wording of Art 1, section 4.

Some people might see that more as unaccounted unelected federal authorities over stepping their bounds in search of an outcome?

[DMac]

I’m not making any law. We were having a discussion about abortion compromises. I proposed eliminating it as an elective surgery and adding education and contraception.

You didn’t budge and still want open abortion access to all.

So I’ve got plenty of right to call it as I see it. Most women take their decision to abort to the grave with them, telling no one.

If abortions weren’t tragedies, or were “blessings” people would probably celebrate them. But we haven’t seen too many “abortion announcements” floating around.

But perhaps that’s the next new wave after this gender reveal balloon fad goes away...

You can add all the education (better start it at about six years old and pound it home hard too) and contraception you want, there are still going to be plenty of unwanted pregnancies. There's a reason for the "off like a prom dress" expression. In the real world, the heat of the moment (particularly with teens) is more often than not going to throw caution to the wind. Just the facts, ma'am.
Don't believe you in that most women tell no one. I've been blown away over the years by the number of little Catholic girls I've known who had abortions during their HS years (maybe kids are smarter about it today than in my time, but I doubt it). Seems to me as if a lot of them told their brothers which is where I learned it from. Have heard many a father of young girls tell me of their trips to the abortion clinics too. You say there are 600K+/yr. Yup, don't doubt it.
Yes, these trips were a blessing for many despite how you feel about it.

[cradleandshoot]

I’m not making any law. We were having a discussion about abortion compromises. I proposed eliminating it as an elective surgery and adding education and contraception.

You didn’t budge and still want open abortion access to all.

So I’ve got plenty of right to call it as I see it. Most women take their decision to abort to the grave with them, telling no one.

If abortions weren’t tragedies, or were “blessings” people would probably celebrate them. But we haven’t seen too many “abortion announcements” floating around.

But perhaps that’s the next new wave after this gender reveal balloon fad goes away...

You can add all the education (better start it at about six years old and pound it home hard too) and contraception you want, there are still going to be plenty of unwanted pregnancies. There's a reason for the "off like a prom dress" expression. In the real world, the heat of the moment (particularly with teens) is more often than not going to throw caution to the wind. Just the facts, ma'am.
Don't believe you in that most women tell no one. I've been blown away over the years by the number of little Catholic girls I've known who had abortions during their HS years (maybe kids are smarter about it today than in my time, but I doubt it). Seems to me as if a lot of them told their brothers which is where I learned it from. Have heard many a father of young girls tell me of their trips to the abortion clinics too. You say there are 600K+/yr. Yup, don't doubt it.
Yes, these trips were a blessing for many despite how you feel about it.

In my sad pathetic world those would be 600K babies that could have been adopted and may have had a chance at life. i am not judging any woman that makes a painful choice to terminate a pregnancy. The reasoning for doing so is heartbreaking. The wrong sex, boyfriend/hubby does not want a kid, Momma bear is ticked off at poppa bear or just plain scared about having a baby. The cavalier attitude some put forth here is just really disgusting to me. The day each and every one of you can sign up for a front row seat to an evacuation, let me know how happy you are then?

[DMac]

It's not a cavalier attitude, I recognize the seriousness and pain involved in the decision.
Many an alcohol influenced decision on a back road result in teen pregnancies. Yup, poor
decisions made, but IMO it's good that the 16 yr old HS sophomore has options after making
that poor decison.
Circumcision is unnecessary and probably pretty ugly to watch too, should we stop doing those too for that
reason? Sure don't need to do them.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... cumcision/

[ggait]

CS, Kra -- could you please start a separate thread to discuss the morality of abortion for those who are interested?

100% does not belong in this thread. Which is about law, not personal moral views.

I'm blocking you now because (like many others on here) I'm not interested in discussing that topic.

Thx

[seacoaster]

CS, Kra -- could you please start a separate thread to discuss the morality of abortion for those who are interested?

100% does not belong in this thread. Which is about law, not personal moral views.

I'm blocking you now because (like many others on here) I'm not interested in discussing that topic.

Thx

Yes, agreed. Please.

[DMac]

CS, Kra -- could you please start a separate thread to discuss the morality of abortion for those who are interested?

100% does not belong in this thread. Which is about law, not personal moral views.

I'm blocking you now because (like many others on here) I'm not interested in discussing that topic.

Thx

Or you could start said thread to get all of your unwanted off of here and over to there.
Or you could just tolerate others and wait until the discussion circles back around to
where it's more to your liking.
Just sayin'.

[cradleandshoot]

CS, Kra -- could you please start a separate thread to discuss the morality of abortion for those who are interested?

100% does not belong in this thread. Which is about law, not personal moral views.

I'm blocking you now because (like many others on here) I'm not interested in discussing that topic.

Thx

Yes, agreed. Please.

Sorry coaster there has been much angst here from many about the SCOTUS overturning RvW. The last I checked that was kinda, sorta a legal issue involving the SCOTUS. The last thing I would ever want to do is hurt the feelings of some overly sensitive lawyers. If they want to whine about RvW being overturned I will respond accordingly. I will not let them have it both ways. If they don't want to hear opposing opinion stop whining about overturning RvW. I'm all on board with that.

[seacoaster]

CS, Kra -- could you please start a separate thread to discuss the morality of abortion for those who are interested?

100% does not belong in this thread. Which is about law, not personal moral views.

I'm blocking you now because (like many others on here) I'm not interested in discussing that topic.

Thx

Yes, agreed. Please.

Sorry coaster there has been much angst here from many about the SCOTUS overturning RvW. The last I checked that was kinda, sorta a legal issue involving the SCOTUS. The last thing I would ever want to do is hurt the feelings of some overly sensitive lawyers. If they want to whine about RvW being overturned I will respond accordingly. I will not let them have it both ways. If they don't want to hear opposing opinion stop whining about overturning RvW. I'm all on board with that.

I haven’t whined about Roe v. Wade. Anywhere. I just think the topic is supercharged with much, much more than law. And deserves its own thread for people who really want to “discuss” the issues. The SCOTUS thread can include reproductive rights issues, but the new thread would be a better place to raise the range of social and other pieces of the reproductive rights issue.

And I said please.

[jhu72]

I vote for a barbeque.

[cradleandshoot]

CS, Kra -- could you please start a separate thread to discuss the morality of abortion for those who are interested?

100% does not belong in this thread. Which is about law, not personal moral views.

I'm blocking you now because (like many others on here) I'm not interested in discussing that topic.

Thx

Yes, agreed. Please.

Sorry coaster there has been much angst here from many about the SCOTUS overturning RvW. The last I checked that was kinda, sorta a legal issue involving the SCOTUS. The last thing I would ever want to do is hurt the feelings of some overly sensitive lawyers. If they want to whine about RvW being overturned I will respond accordingly. I will not let them have it both ways. If they don't want to hear opposing opinion stop whining about overturning RvW. I'm all on board with that.

I haven’t whined about Roe v. Wade. Anywhere. I just think the topic is supercharged with much, much more than law. And deserves its own thread for people who really want to “discuss” the issues. The SCOTUS thread can include reproductive rights issues, but the new thread would be a better place to raise the range of social and other pieces of the reproductive rights issue.

And I said please.

You won't hear another peep from me. I said what I had to say. I didn't realize some of our legal eagles were getting hot around the collar about it.

[youthathletics]

CS, Kra -- could you please start a separate thread to discuss the morality of abortion for those who are interested?

100% does not belong in this thread. Which is about law, not personal moral views.

I'm blocking you now because (like many others on here) I'm not interested in discussing that topic.

Thx

Yes, agreed. Please.

Sorry coaster there has been much angst here from many about the SCOTUS overturning RvW. The last I checked that was kinda, sorta a legal issue involving the SCOTUS. The last thing I would ever want to do is hurt the feelings of some overly sensitive lawyers. If they want to whine about RvW being overturned I will respond accordingly. I will not let them have it both ways. If they don't want to hear opposing opinion stop whining about overturning RvW. I'm all on board with that.

I haven’t whined about Roe v. Wade. Anywhere. I just think the topic is supercharged with much, much more than law. And deserves its own thread for people who really want to “discuss” the issues. The SCOTUS thread can include reproductive rights issues, but the new thread would be a better place to raise the range of social and other pieces of the reproductive rights issue.

And I said please.

You won't hear another peep from me. I said what I had to say. I didn't realize some of our legal eagles were getting hot around the collar about it.

#QFP -

[cradleandshoot]

CS, Kra -- could you please start a separate thread to discuss the morality of abortion for those who are interested?

100% does not belong in this thread. Which is about law, not personal moral views.

I'm blocking you now because (like many others on here) I'm not interested in discussing that topic.

Thx

Yes, agreed. Please.

Sorry coaster there has been much angst here from many about the SCOTUS overturning RvW. The last I checked that was kinda, sorta a legal issue involving the SCOTUS. The last thing I would ever want to do is hurt the feelings of some overly sensitive lawyers. If they want to whine about RvW being overturned I will respond accordingly. I will not let them have it both ways. If they don't want to hear opposing opinion stop whining about overturning RvW. I'm all on board with that.

I haven’t whined about Roe v. Wade. Anywhere. I just think the topic is supercharged with much, much more than law. And deserves its own thread for people who really want to “discuss” the issues. The SCOTUS thread can include reproductive rights issues, but the new thread would be a better place to raise the range of social and other pieces of the reproductive rights issue.

And I said please.

You won't hear another peep from me. I said what I had to say. I didn't realize some of our legal eagles were getting hot around the collar about it.

#QFP -

I never realized lawyers were such a bunch of snowflakes. They get almost as ticked off about this topic here as they would if their Bruno Magli wingtips had a scuff on them .

[seacoaster]

CS, Kra -- could you please start a separate thread to discuss the morality of abortion for those who are interested?

100% does not belong in this thread. Which is about law, not personal moral views.

I'm blocking you now because (like many others on here) I'm not interested in discussing that topic.

Thx

Yes, agreed. Please.

Sorry coaster there has been much angst here from many about the SCOTUS overturning RvW. The last I checked that was kinda, sorta a legal issue involving the SCOTUS. The last thing I would ever want to do is hurt the feelings of some overly sensitive lawyers. If they want to whine about RvW being overturned I will respond accordingly. I will not let them have it both ways. If they don't want to hear opposing opinion stop whining about overturning RvW. I'm all on board with that.

I haven’t whined about Roe v. Wade. Anywhere. I just think the topic is supercharged with much, much more than law. And deserves its own thread for people who really want to “discuss” the issues. The SCOTUS thread can include reproductive rights issues, but the new thread would be a better place to raise the range of social and other pieces of the reproductive rights issue.

And I said please.

You won't hear another peep from me. I said what I had to say. I didn't realize some of our legal eagles were getting hot around the collar about it.

#QFP -

I never realized lawyers were such a bunch of snowflakes. They get almost as ticked off about this topic here as they would if their Bruno Magli wingtips had a scuff on them .

This lawyer is bored, not upset. I agree with everything NJBill has said. Until the Court tackles Roe, I don't need to talk about the issues. And don't need to be characterized, or see women characterized as murderers. There hasn't been a discussion, just folks conveying a lot of less-informed, empathy-free blather.

[cradleandshoot]

CS, Kra -- could you please start a separate thread to discuss the morality of abortion for those who are interested?

100% does not belong in this thread. Which is about law, not personal moral views.

I'm blocking you now because (like many others on here) I'm not interested in discussing that topic.

Thx

Yes, agreed. Please.

Sorry coaster there has been much angst here from many about the SCOTUS overturning RvW. The last I checked that was kinda, sorta a legal issue involving the SCOTUS. The last thing I would ever want to do is hurt the feelings of some overly sensitive lawyers. If they want to whine about RvW being overturned I will respond accordingly. I will not let them have it both ways. If they don't want to hear opposing opinion stop whining about overturning RvW. I'm all on board with that.

I haven’t whined about Roe v. Wade. Anywhere. I just think the topic is supercharged with much, much more than law. And deserves its own thread for people who really want to “discuss” the issues. The SCOTUS thread can include reproductive rights issues, but the new thread would be a better place to raise the range of social and other pieces of the reproductive rights issue.

And I said please.

You won't hear another peep from me. I said what I had to say. I didn't realize some of our legal eagles were getting hot around the collar about it.

#QFP -

I never realized lawyers were such a bunch of snowflakes. They get almost as ticked off about this topic here as they would if their Bruno Magli wingtips had a scuff on them .

This lawyer is bored, not upset. I agree with everything NJBill has said. Until the Court tackles Roe, I don't need to talk about the issues. And don't need to be characterized, or see women characterized as murderers. There hasn't been a discussion, just folks conveying a lot of less-informed, empathy-free blather.

I disagree with everything NJB has to say. I do respect his opinion on the sense RvW is the law of the land and should not be changed. FYI my opinion is also reinforced by the experience my wife endured actually working in these rooms and assisting in procedures. Her experience does not fit your criteria of less informed empathy free blather. She has been there and done the dirty work in the trenches...and what she did and saw was repulsive to her. I guess from your perspective that doesn't matter. You would never want to have this conversation with my wife. You don't like my perspective I guarantee you will not like hers. Until the court ever brings this up this is the last I will say about, this time for sure.

[MDlaxfan76]

Enough, cradle.
You've told us this 100 times.

Start a new thread if you want to actually tell us another 100 times.

[cradleandshoot]

Enough, cradle.
You've told us this 100 times.

Start a new thread if you want to actually tell us another 100 times.

Did you NOT read me say I'm done with it. I was responding to something Mr seacoaster said. Your reading comprehension is not up to snuff this morning. I suggest another cup of coffee. BTW, how many times have you told us all that your a lifetime republican? That little gem could probably use its own thread too.

[kramerica.inc]

It’s most appropriate here with RvW coming down the pike at us. And it will be interesting to see how or even if the new court makeup effects the ruling.

Besides, People can deal with a little talk about the reality of abortions. After all, it’s a legal and celebrated procedure, right?

There’s a reason those that want to keep abortion legal dont want to talk about the gruesome reality at length.

Because they know what it really is. That’s what RvW is deciding. Not a legal procedure.

Much easier to call it a “choice” or a “blessing” rather than talk about small, mutilated, vacuumed out body parts.

Talk about people ignoring facts and reality...

[seacoaster]

It’s most appropriate here with RvW coming down the pike at us. And it will be interesting to see how or even if the new court makeup effects the ruling.

Besides, People can deal with a little talk about the reality of abortions. After all, it’s a legal and celebrated procedure, right?

There’s a reason those that want to keep abortion legal dont want to talk about the gruesome reality at length.

Because they know what it really is. That’s what RvW is deciding. Not a legal procedure.

Much easier to call it a “choice” or a “blessing” rather than talk about small, mutilated, vacuumed out body parts.

Talk about people ignoring facts and reality...

Your post is exactly why it should be in its own thread. I like "celebrated." It really shows your narrow mulishness. No one celebrates anything around the decision to terminate a pregnancy. No one calls anything around termination of a pregnancy a "blessing." But that is the sort of narrative -- distinct from a discussion -- that you want.

[ABV 8.3%]

CS, Kra -- could you please start a separate thread to discuss the morality of abortion for those who are interested?

100% does not belong in this thread. Which is about law, not personal moral views.

I'm blocking you now because (like many others on here) I'm not interested in discussing that topic.

Thx

it IS empowering, isn't it?

How powerful you must feel. Publically declaring it, none the less.

closed minded lawyers......and yet, we heard HOW many questions, directed at Barrett, from our US Senators?

the hate and closeminded IS powerful, just like "you're BLOCKED" declarations. Like a child. And, just before you "blocked", you got the last word in. pathetic.

debate what you don't know. It's surprising what you will learn