tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:45 am
A lot of generalizations here a fan. Some progressives may not like some policies but deep in their souls, love him, for the very reasons above (their useful idiot)
You're doing that thing that partisans do, where you pretend there's no American center. Millions of us are in the center.....which is what makes it the center in the first place. Actual progressives? They know Biden is a Corporate Dem, and a Neo-Con, and can't stand that he's sold out the working class. Ask one. They'll be happy to tell you, as NattyBoh just did. Do you think it's a mistake that Biden left Trump's massive Corporate Tax giveaway in place? BTW.....remember mocking me for telling you that it's impossible for Trump's cut to "pay for itself", and that I needed to be patient?
tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:45 am
"most Americans who aren't utter morons"? Maybe. Let's say Trump survives the primary and runs against Kamala... a lot of so-called "morons" will be born over night in that case.
There's a difference between holding your nose and voting Trump...and supporting Trump.
tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:45 am
"Even Old Salt"? I said more than once years ago that Trump should not be allowed to run again. Going way back, I said if Trump breaks any laws and they can prove it, fine by me if he's in the slammer.
Look it up if you don't believe me.
I believe you. But I also remember you heckling posters and claiming they had TDS when we complained about Trump's behaviors.
tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:38 pm
Maybe.
Libertarians are now so far gone that they don't support an infrastructure bill? Okay. That means we're F'ed long term.
tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:38 pm
I agree on Ukraine and have said as much on here.
Do you think Biden Admin's zeal to destroy Putin has anything to do with the botched Afghan pullout? Great way to save face, look tough in eyes of world leaders after such a disaster?
I think that anyone rational thinks that Biden did just fine in the pullout.
I'll ask you the same question that I asked Old Salt, a man with military experience, and he couldn't give me an answer:
Give me your plan for pulling out of Afghanistan quickly with fewer than 13 American deaths.
Now before you answer, remember the math: in the last five years previous to the 2021 withdrawal, we had 15, 16, 23, and 11 deaths. So that means that if you take your time, and stay for 12 months past Biden's 2021 withdrawal, you'll have 16.25 deaths.
Good luck beating Biden's 13 deaths. Want OS's response? His response was: don't leave. Which means he concedes the 16.25 deaths per year in perpetuity. Which also means that Biden's evac was better by a mile.
Let's hear your withdrawal plan. Did you notice how many KIA's we had in 2022, and 2023? Big fat, beautiful ZERO.
I'm OVERJOYED that Biden got us out of there, after Obama failed to pull us out the day after we popped Bin Laden----which was the ENTIRE REASON we went in in the first place. Mission accomplished, get the F out. Obama could have both gotten us out, AND given our troops closure and the feeling of a finished job.
tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:38 pm
Again, maybe.
This is in response to the Chip Act. So this means you prefer that we continue to be dependent on computer Chips from Taiwan and other places. Do I have that right?