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Kismet wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:19 pm

6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:56 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:45 pm He is a total and absolute POS. His answer to a legit question from a reporter of what he would tell those Amercans who are scared and worried tells us all we need to know about the lack of leadership coming from the top.

He's no FDR but actually thinking about how FDR ran things at a time of similar crisis is somewhat hopeful. Think about that - FDR remains inspiring even though he's DEAD but he remains that more so than the current DOPUS.

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself" and the depression went on for 6 more years.

Unemployment averaged 18 percent during Roosevelt’s first eight years in office. Best President ever!

The absolute POS said he was hopeful. And that the total federal effort combined with American peoples cooperation was improving the situation. Thats all. Such a lack of leadership.

Sure thing, Hoover.

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:28 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:09 am

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:53 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:41 am

6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:37 am Serious question. No politics please.

If in Wuhan China—the epicenter for this virus since December—and with population higher but comparable to California—has only had 82,000 cases.
And seems to be declining in any new cases.

How can Gavin Newsome claim 25 million Californians will be infected. They are Chicoms but being able to conceal 25 million cases?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template: ... ical_cases

ps: only 250K cases globally to date

Serious answer:

China had total lockdown, enforced 100%...and I mean enforced in ways hard to even imagine. 8 weeks of such.

We can't get kids off the beaches and out of the bars.

Newsom is saying that without a lockdown, that's where it's going.

serious answer.

Agree with this. Giving the worst case scenario. If there is one thing I am having difficulty with right now is that is all that seems to be getting out there is the worse case....absolute worse case. What i do not see is that there is a range of possibilities and if we do not do X or Y we will see A or B. Certainly people can decide not to do what they are suggested to do to avoid the worse case scenario but by only presenting the absolute worse case you create panic. Just my opinion and I could be wrong......am quite a bit actually.

Let me make the counter argument; unless we're willing to enforce a total lockdown (not voluntary) the path is indeed "worst case". We do not have the surveillance testing available to do selective quarantine, so the ONLY way to slow this thing down enough to eventually choke it off is TOTAL lockdown.

When we can get the surveillance testing necessary, we can release some of the pressure.

But right now we're neither doing total lockdown nor remotely on path to surveillance testing.

People want to know the truth...every time we softball it, the loss of credibility is far worse than the scary truth.

I'd also suggest that the only reason why someone might 'panic' in this situation is that so many people continue to recognize the enormity of the issue and the criticality of individual compliance.

Ok, I'll re-insert a bit of politics: why the heck is Florida's Governor letting kids party on the beach???

You points are well taken. But people want the truth, so give them the range of possibilities. It is not presented as such. If we do X you will see B. If we do Y, you will see A. What you get is we are going to get CCCCCCC. I do not see that but I am not watching a ton of Television.

CU77 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:24 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:50 pm Doing just a little bit of insider trading really isn’t much of a defense against insider trading.

i'm less upset about the insider trading than I am about the lying. At the exact same time he was warning elite insiders of the truth about the coming pandemic, Burr was penning skies-are-blue op-eds for the rest of us.

And what about my Senator, Diane Feinstein (D,CA)??? Also on the intelligence committee, also sold stock.

POS's, all of them! They KNEW, and said nothing to the general public.

Were they told this info was classified??? If so, Trump and his toadies in the Deep State (what, you didn't know that the Deep State is actually run by Trump???) deserve a lot of the blame. But no pass to the IC members who went along, instead of obeying their oaths of office.

6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:43 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:19 pm

6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:56 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:45 pm He is a total and absolute POS. His answer to a legit question from a reporter of what he would tell those Amercans who are scared and worried tells us all we need to know about the lack of leadership coming from the top.

He's no FDR but actually thinking about how FDR ran things at a time of similar crisis is somewhat hopeful. Think about that - FDR remains inspiring even though he's DEAD but he remains that more so than the current DOPUS.

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself" and the depression went on for 6 more years.

Unemployment averaged 18 percent during Roosevelt’s first eight years in office. Best President ever!

The absolute POS said he was hopeful. And that the total federal effort combined with American peoples cooperation was improving the situation. Thats all. Such a lack of leadership.

Sure thing, Hoover.

Typical.

Both men say "stay hopeful" but the republican is a POS.

jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:27 am

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:28 am

jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:06 am Am watching the tail end of Maddow now. Dr. David Ho is being interviewed. He is the Chinese - American super virologist mentioned in an article earlier today by Trinity I think. In any case he was talking about the possibilities for the drug combo that had everyone spun up today. He is much less sanguine about its possibilities to battle corona virus than were us educated non-specialists. He did not call it promising. He has been in contact with the researchers who made the discovery.

It is vastly different than his approach to torch viral proteases. He may very well be correct but it still needs to be fleshed out.

Did Dr Ho have any insight into Remdesivir? Its action is also completely different than inhibiting proteases.

edit-original was snippy sounding...not intent.

My statement was perhaps misleading. He felt overall we would solve the problem. He was not worried about that, long term. He was certain we would solve the problem (no time estimate given as I recall). He was specifically less sanguine about the reported malaria drug talked about yesterday. He seemed more upbeat about Remdesivir and other approaches. He also had just had a drug trial fail, where his group had tested a solution that was similar conceptually (to my understanding, not identical) to the malaria drug approach. The mixture of a cocktail of already well known drugs. Don't recall the details, which ones. This perhaps contributes to his skepticism. Of course the malaria drug approach should be tested further. He did not suggest otherwise (nor would I).

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:49 pm

6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:43 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:19 pm

6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:56 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:45 pm He is a total and absolute POS. His answer to a legit question from a reporter of what he would tell those Amercans who are scared and worried tells us all we need to know about the lack of leadership coming from the top.

He's no FDR but actually thinking about how FDR ran things at a time of similar crisis is somewhat hopeful. Think about that - FDR remains inspiring even though he's DEAD but he remains that more so than the current DOPUS.

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself" and the depression went on for 6 more years.

Unemployment averaged 18 percent during Roosevelt’s first eight years in office. Best President ever!

The absolute POS said he was hopeful. And that the total federal effort combined with American peoples cooperation was improving the situation. Thats all. Such a lack of leadership.

Sure thing, Hoover.

Typical.

Both men say "stay hopeful" but the republican is a POS.

was also honest about how dire the challenge was.

6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:52 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:49 pm

6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:43 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:19 pm

6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:56 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:45 pm He is a total and absolute POS. His answer to a legit question from a reporter of what he would tell those Amercans who are scared and worried tells us all we need to know about the lack of leadership coming from the top.

He's no FDR but actually thinking about how FDR ran things at a time of similar crisis is somewhat hopeful. Think about that - FDR remains inspiring even though he's DEAD but he remains that more so than the current DOPUS.

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself" and the depression went on for 6 more years.

Unemployment averaged 18 percent during Roosevelt’s first eight years in office. Best President ever!

The absolute POS said he was hopeful. And that the total federal effort combined with American peoples cooperation was improving the situation. Thats all. Such a lack of leadership.

Sure thing, Hoover.

Typical.

Both men say "stay hopeful" but the republican is a POS.

was also honest about how dire the challenge was.

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself?" The most celebrated quote of the 20th century.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:03 pm

6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:52 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:49 pm

6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:43 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:19 pm

6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:56 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:45 pm He is a total and absolute POS. His answer to a legit question from a reporter of what he would tell those Amercans who are scared and worried tells us all we need to know about the lack of leadership coming from the top.

He's no FDR but actually thinking about how FDR ran things at a time of similar crisis is somewhat hopeful. Think about that - FDR remains inspiring even though he's DEAD but he remains that more so than the current DOPUS.

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself" and the depression went on for 6 more years.

Unemployment averaged 18 percent during Roosevelt’s first eight years in office. Best President ever!

The absolute POS said he was hopeful. And that the total federal effort combined with American peoples cooperation was improving the situation. Thats all. Such a lack of leadership.

Sure thing, Hoover.

Typical.

Both men say "stay hopeful" but the republican is a POS.

was also honest about how dire the challenge was.

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself?" The most celebrated quote of the 20th century.

Sure, but clearly you know very little actual history of how he managed that massive challenge. Certainly not if you think that speech wasn't telling it straight.

I grew up with grandparents who absolutely hated FDR. Said they didn't have any problem finding work...

so, I actually studied it.
But yeah, his leadership was really, really good.
Not a perfect President by any means though, certainly made a number of mistakes.

Complicated as many of the measures didn't have enough impact to actually get us out of the Depression...really the war preparations were what did it. But we also didn't dissolve into fascism nor communism.
Without his leadership, I think we'd have most likely been fascist.
I'm very thankful for that leadership.

6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:05 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:03 pm

6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:52 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:49 pm

6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:43 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:19 pm

6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:56 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:45 pm He is a total and absolute POS. His answer to a legit question from a reporter of what he would tell those Amercans who are scared and worried tells us all we need to know about the lack of leadership coming from the top.

He's no FDR but actually thinking about how FDR ran things at a time of similar crisis is somewhat hopeful. Think about that - FDR remains inspiring even though he's DEAD but he remains that more so than the current DOPUS.

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself" and the depression went on for 6 more years.

Unemployment averaged 18 percent during Roosevelt’s first eight years in office. Best President ever!

The absolute POS said he was hopeful. And that the total federal effort combined with American peoples cooperation was improving the situation. Thats all. Such a lack of leadership.

Sure thing, Hoover.

Typical.

Both men say "stay hopeful" but the republican is a POS.

was also honest about how dire the challenge was.

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself?" The most celebrated quote of the 20th century.

Sure, but clearly you know very little actual history of how he managed that massive challenge. Certainly not if you think that speech wasn't telling it straight.

I grew up with grandparents who absolutely hated FDR. Said they didn't have any problem finding work...

so, I actually studied it.
But yeah, his leadership was really, really good.
Not a perfect President by any means though, certainly made a number of mistakes.

Complicated as many of the measures didn't have enough impact to actually get us out of the Depression...really the war preparations were what did it. But we also didn't dissolve into fascism nor communism.
Without his leadership, I think we'd have most likely been fascist.
I'm very thankful for that leadership.

As are all americans. But when Trump exhibits the same attempt at leadership he's a POS.

njbill wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:50 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:27 am

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:28 am

jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:06 am Am watching the tail end of Maddow now. Dr. David Ho is being interviewed. He is the Chinese - American super virologist mentioned in an article earlier today by Trinity I think. In any case he was talking about the possibilities for the drug combo that had everyone spun up today. He is much less sanguine about its possibilities to battle corona virus than were us educated non-specialists. He did not call it promising. He has been in contact with the researchers who made the discovery.

It is vastly different than his approach to torch viral proteases. He may very well be correct but it still needs to be fleshed out.

Did Dr Ho have any insight into Remdesivir? Its action is also completely different than inhibiting proteases.

edit-original was snippy sounding...not intent.

My statement was perhaps misleading. He felt overall we would solve the problem. He was not worried about that, long term. He was certain we would solve the problem (no time estimate given as I recall). He was specifically less sanguine about the reported malaria drug talked about yesterday. He seemed more upbeat about Remdesivir and other approaches. He also had just had a drug trial fail, where his group had tested a solution that was similar conceptually (to my understanding, not identical) to the malaria drug approach. The mixture of a cocktail of already well known drugs. Don't recall the details, which ones. This perhaps contributes to his skepticism. Of course the malaria drug approach should be tested further. He did not suggest otherwise (nor would I).

Since Dr. Ho is such an important scientist, I went back and re-watched his segment on the Rachel Maddow show last night and took notes. This is what he said (duplicates some of the above).

First, he commented on the article from Wednesday in the New England journal of medicine which reported that the trial on Lopinavir-Ritonavir (currently approved to treat HIV/AIDS) was not successful. He said that result was not surprising to him.

Second, he said the prospects for developing therapeutics in the long term are good. Since we need immediate help, however, he said the idea of repurposing already approved drugs is the appropriate approach because it will shorten the time to market. But, he said, we would need to be very lucky to find such a drug that would successfully work against COVID-19. He said the most successful drug will likely be a newly discovered drug which will take 1 to 2 years. I should emphasize that he is talking about a therapeutic, not a vaccine. He did not discuss vaccines at all last night.

Third, with respect to the malaria drug Chloroquine, he said that based on statements from Chinese doctors and scientists, they found it to be helpful in shortening the course of the disease by a little bit. But there was no evidence the drug would make a huge difference in survival. He did not comment on the 20 person French study. He did not comment on whether we should continue to run tests on this drug, although he said nothing to suggest that that would be a waste of time.

Fourth, with respect to Remdesivir, which is currently not approved, he says the drug has been shown to have “activity” (not sure what that means, but I think it is positive) against SARS and MERS, which are highly related to COVID19. He said there are two large clinical trials currently underway in mainland China. We will have read outs in the near future. If successful, he said, the drug could be scaled up reasonably quickly. He did not give a specific time frame.

ggait wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:07 pm FDR is top three GOAT along with Lincoln and Washington.

Only person who thinks that about Trump is...well...Trump. Nuf said.

Anyone else but me think that Pence (excluding the Dear Leader parts) is actually doing pretty well? At least 10X better than Trump imho (low bar I know).

jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:18 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:12 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:33 pm Testing and death reporting in the US has slowed down today.

Help me understand how they would know testing has slowed down, as in just today? Are test kits logged in and out of a central database before they can be used?

No. I had noticed that the JHU COVID site was not updating the US numbers. Other countries were being updated. US numbers are now beginning to trickle in but not as fast as they should given the testing that is claimed to be taking place.

PS: Just jumped another 1500 US cases.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:03 pm

6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:52 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:49 pm

6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:43 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:19 pm

6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:56 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:45 pm He is a total and absolute POS. His answer to a legit question from a reporter of what he would tell those Amercans who are scared and worried tells us all we need to know about the lack of leadership coming from the top.

He's no FDR but actually thinking about how FDR ran things at a time of similar crisis is somewhat hopeful. Think about that - FDR remains inspiring even though he's DEAD but he remains that more so than the current DOPUS.

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself" and the depression went on for 6 more years.

Unemployment averaged 18 percent during Roosevelt’s first eight years in office. Best President ever!

The absolute POS said he was hopeful. And that the total federal effort combined with American peoples cooperation was improving the situation. Thats all. Such a lack of leadership.

Sure thing, Hoover.

Typical.

Both men say "stay hopeful" but the republican is a POS.

was also honest about how dire the challenge was.

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself?" The most celebrated quote of the 20th century.

Sure, but clearly you know very little actual history of how he managed that massive challenge. Certainly not if you think that speech wasn't telling it straight.

I grew up with grandparents who absolutely hated FDR. Said they didn't have any problem finding work...

so, I actually studied it.
But yeah, his leadership was really, really good.
Not a perfect President by any means though, certainly made a number of mistakes.

Complicated as many of the measures didn't have enough impact to actually get us out of the Depression...really the war preparations were what did it. But we also didn't dissolve into fascism nor communism.
Without his leadership, I think we'd have most likely been fascist.
I'm very thankful for that leadership.

jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:32 pm

ggait wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:07 pm FDR is top three GOAT along with Lincoln and Washington.

Only person who thinks that about Trump is...well...Trump. Nuf said.

Anyone else but me think that Pence (excluding the Dear Leader parts) is actually doing pretty well? At least 10X better than Trump imho (low bar I know).

YES!!! This has been Pence's finest hour but for the ass kissing of his master.