Re: Sensible Gun Control
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 11:20 am
Just state YOUR position on this issue...and quite with the dumass trolling language...
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I must admit, Pete that you never fail to disappoint on how big a MORON you are.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 10:27 amDemocrats are extraordinarily dishonest about this discussion.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 8:47 amThat is the SOLUTION that Doc B proposed as a good start. As far as I know there is no current legislation YET to ban all guns. Maybe if you understood the context of what I was saying you wouldn't come across like a moron...Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 8:33 amDo you have a link to a piece of legislation that proposes to ban all guns? You sound stupid (again).cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 6:12 amOf course liberals such as yourself will gladly exclude yourself and your ideology from contributing to the mess we are in. if the solution is to ban all guns let me know how that works out. All of those many people who own illegal firearms will gladly turn them in. Everybody is looking at the guns and ignoring the crazy people behind the guns. What scares the hell out of me is the plethora of unstable people in this country that are willing to shoot innocent people for no reason. It appears this person celebrated his 18th birthday by purchasing the weapons he used. It could be time to raise the age to purchase a firearm to 18. It should also be mandatory to complete a firearm safety course. This is certainly not a solution, but it is a start.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 7:06 pmThese are the people who blather about "American Exceptionalism," but who have made us into a Third World country. Bad infrastructure, political paralysis, and 350,000,000 guns.
I stand corrected. Doc only wants to ban handguns and semi automatic weapons. You want to get into the what is a semi automatic weapon debate??
Our nation doesn’t have more people with mental health problems. That’s not why we have more gun deaths than just about any other nation that is not at war.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 6:12 amOf course liberals such as yourself will gladly exclude yourself and your ideology from contributing to the mess we are in. if the solution is to ban all guns let me know how that works out. All of those many people who own illegal firearms will gladly turn them in. Everybody is looking at the guns and ignoring the crazy people behind the guns. What scares the hell out of me is the plethora of unstable people in this country that are willing to shoot innocent people for no reason. It appears this person celebrated his 18th birthday by purchasing the weapons he used. It could be time to raise the age to purchase a firearm to 18. It should also be mandatory to complete a firearm safety course. This is certainly not a solution, but it is a start.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 7:06 pmThese are the people who blather about "American Exceptionalism," but who have made us into a Third World country. Bad infrastructure, political paralysis, and 350,000,000 guns.
I corrected my mistake a few posts above yours. You abviously didn't read it. FTR how do you ban semi automatic weapons? It sounds easy until you understand what a semi automatic weapon is. If you ban AR 15 types weapons do you ban the venerable M1 Garland? Both are semi automatic weapons. Both are very lethal weapons with the M1 being much more deadly? I own an M1 carbine. A semi automatic rifle. Hell king Andy couldn't define what a semi automatic assault weapon was when he passed the SAFE ACT. For all the weapons he banned he allowed the Ruger Mini 14 to be sold. The same damn 5.56 round fired by the AR-15. The folks at Ruger are very grateful to king Andy. Their sales went thru the roof.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 10:03 amNo he did not. He was specific. Ban hand guns, ban assault rifles.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 8:44 amBack up the bus didn't Doc Barrister propose that just a few posts above. He appeared to be serious as a heart attack in doing so. FTR aquirering a hand gun in NYS legally is a monumental task that can take as long as a year depending on what county you live in. Buying any weapon in NYS legally requires an FBI background check from the firearms dealer. I agree that different states are very lax on gun ownership. I've said this a 1000 times, step one should be the BATF cracking down on the sale of firearms across state lines. If the solution is the sale of all firearms be regulated at the federal level.. there are 50 states that will take exception to that and the court cases will go on for many years. I'm all for keeping firearms out of the hands of unstable people. How our nation goes about doing that is no simple task. FTR I'm becoming more and more on the side of limiting the sales of AR-15 type weapons. IMO they are not a practical weapon for home defense. I don't think most folks that own these weapons understand how far a 5.56 round can travel and still be lethal. That would be in excess of 300 meters. That is farther than most people can see.jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 7:06 amGrow up. No one is insisting all guns must be banned. Americans have owned guns since forever and never had this problem until high capacity, high rate of fire weapons were made legal. Until we made acquiring and carrying a gun in public easier than acquiring a drivers license. I am sorry if it offends you, but this is a problem that is almost totally the responsibility of the republican party.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 6:12 amOf course liberals such as yourself will gladly exclude yourself and your ideology from contributing to the mess we are in. if the solution is to ban all guns let me know how that works out. All of those many people who own illegal firearms will gladly turn them in. Everybody is looking at the guns and ignoring the crazy people behind the guns. What scares the hell out of me is the plethora of unstable people in this country that are willing to shoot innocent people for no reason. It appears this person celebrated his 18th birthday by purchasing the weapons he used. It could be time to raise the age to purchase a firearm to 18. It should also be mandatory to complete a firearm safety course. This is certainly not a solution, but it is a start.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 7:06 pmThese are the people who blather about "American Exceptionalism," but who have made us into a Third World country. Bad infrastructure, political paralysis, and 350,000,000 guns.
I own a half dozen guns for hunting. None would be banned under Doc's suggestion.
Yes, this needs to be national legislation and it needs to stand up in SCOTUS.
I'm in favor of legal gun range situations that enable citizens to train on weapons, use them in sport, but not keep them in their homes, nor use them in supermarkets, schools, and churches.
I'm in favor of universal background checks of all guns, all situations, including, even, family transfers. No exceptions.
National legislation.
I don't complain about the violence in Rochester more than Mayor Malik Evans. Trying to deal with it is his problem.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 9:41 amI asked you a question. BTW, stop complaining about gun violence in Rochester. Don’t want to see you post anything about that. Crime in Rochester hasn’t stopped YET. Just wait it will.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 8:47 amThat is the SOLUTION that Doc B proposed as a good start. As far as I know there is no current legislation YET to ban all guns. Maybe if you understood the context of what I was saying you wouldn't come across like a moron...Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 8:33 amDo you have a link to a piece of legislation that proposes to ban all guns? You sound stupid (again).cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 6:12 amOf course liberals such as yourself will gladly exclude yourself and your ideology from contributing to the mess we are in. if the solution is to ban all guns let me know how that works out. All of those many people who own illegal firearms will gladly turn them in. Everybody is looking at the guns and ignoring the crazy people behind the guns. What scares the hell out of me is the plethora of unstable people in this country that are willing to shoot innocent people for no reason. It appears this person celebrated his 18th birthday by purchasing the weapons he used. It could be time to raise the age to purchase a firearm to 18. It should also be mandatory to complete a firearm safety course. This is certainly not a solution, but it is a start.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 7:06 pmThese are the people who blather about "American Exceptionalism," but who have made us into a Third World country. Bad infrastructure, political paralysis, and 350,000,000 guns.
I stand corrected. Doc only wants to ban handguns and semi automatic weapons. You want to get into the what is a semi automatic weapon debate??
If you are of the mindset to shoot people for no reason IMO you have serious mental issues. I'm guessing the defense for the shooter in Buffalo will be insanity. I dont think it will work.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 11:25 amOur nation doesn’t have more people with mental health problems. That’s not why we have more gun deaths than just about any other nation that is not at war.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 6:12 amOf course liberals such as yourself will gladly exclude yourself and your ideology from contributing to the mess we are in. if the solution is to ban all guns let me know how that works out. All of those many people who own illegal firearms will gladly turn them in. Everybody is looking at the guns and ignoring the crazy people behind the guns. What scares the hell out of me is the plethora of unstable people in this country that are willing to shoot innocent people for no reason. It appears this person celebrated his 18th birthday by purchasing the weapons he used. It could be time to raise the age to purchase a firearm to 18. It should also be mandatory to complete a firearm safety course. This is certainly not a solution, but it is a start.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 7:06 pmThese are the people who blather about "American Exceptionalism," but who have made us into a Third World country. Bad infrastructure, political paralysis, and 350,000,000 guns.
Our nation has the most gun deaths because we have the most guns.
Those who support the gun lobby and “gun rights” are part of the problem. The blood of those children are on their hands as well.
DocBarrister
Kismet wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 11:21 amI must admit, Pete that you never fail to disappoint on how big a MORON you are.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 10:27 amDemocrats are extraordinarily dishonest about this discussion.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 8:47 amThat is the SOLUTION that Doc B proposed as a good start. As far as I know there is no current legislation YET to ban all guns. Maybe if you understood the context of what I was saying you wouldn't come across like a moron...Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 8:33 amDo you have a link to a piece of legislation that proposes to ban all guns? You sound stupid (again).cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 6:12 amOf course liberals such as yourself will gladly exclude yourself and your ideology from contributing to the mess we are in. if the solution is to ban all guns let me know how that works out. All of those many people who own illegal firearms will gladly turn them in. Everybody is looking at the guns and ignoring the crazy people behind the guns. What scares the hell out of me is the plethora of unstable people in this country that are willing to shoot innocent people for no reason. It appears this person celebrated his 18th birthday by purchasing the weapons he used. It could be time to raise the age to purchase a firearm to 18. It should also be mandatory to complete a firearm safety course. This is certainly not a solution, but it is a start.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 7:06 pmThese are the people who blather about "American Exceptionalism," but who have made us into a Third World country. Bad infrastructure, political paralysis, and 350,000,000 guns.
I stand corrected. Doc only wants to ban handguns and semi automatic weapons. You want to get into the what is a semi automatic weapon debate??
Like gun laws, you will never change either.
Yeah, Doc B is much more reasonable than you.jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 8:53 am... I am not Doc B.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 8:44 amBack up the bus didn't Doc Barrister propose that just a few posts above. He appeared to be serious as a heart attack in doing so. FTR aquirering a hand gun in NYS legally is a monumental task that can take as long as a year depending on what county you live in. Buying any weapon in NYS legally requires an FBI background check from the firearms dealer. I agree that different states are very lax on gun ownership. I've said this a 1000 times, step one should be the BATF cracking down on the sale of firearms across state lines. If the solution is the sale of all firearms be regulated at the federal level.. there are 50 states that will take exception to that and the court cases will go on for many years. I'm all for keeping firearms out of the hands of unstable people. How our nation goes about doing that is no simple task. FTR I'm becoming more and more on the side of limiting the sales of AR-15 type weapons. IMO they are not a practical weapon for home defense. I don't think most folks that own these weapons understand how far a 5.56 round can travel and still be lethal. That would be in excess of 300 meters. That is farther than most people can see.jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 7:06 amGrow up. No one is insisting all guns must be banned. Americans have owned guns since forever and never had this problem until high capacity, high rate of fire weapons were made legal. Until we made acquiring and carrying a gun in public easier than acquiring a drivers license. I am sorry if it offends you, but this is a problem that is almost totally the responsibility of the republican party.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 6:12 amOf course liberals such as yourself will gladly exclude yourself and your ideology from contributing to the mess we are in. if the solution is to ban all guns let me know how that works out. All of those many people who own illegal firearms will gladly turn them in. Everybody is looking at the guns and ignoring the crazy people behind the guns. What scares the hell out of me is the plethora of unstable people in this country that are willing to shoot innocent people for no reason. It appears this person celebrated his 18th birthday by purchasing the weapons he used. It could be time to raise the age to purchase a firearm to 18. It should also be mandatory to complete a firearm safety course. This is certainly not a solution, but it is a start.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 7:06 pmThese are the people who blather about "American Exceptionalism," but who have made us into a Third World country. Bad infrastructure, political paralysis, and 350,000,000 guns.
There are people in countries all over the world with serious mental issues. The point is that they can't easily buy a few guns in 15 minutes then go kill two dozen five year olds at a school.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 11:33 amIf you are of the mindset to shoot people for no reason IMO you have serious mental issues. I'm guessing the defense for the shooter in Buffalo will be insanity. I dont think it will work.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 11:25 am
Our nation doesn’t have more people with mental health problems. That’s not why we have more gun deaths than just about any other nation that is not at war.
Our nation has the most gun deaths because we have the most guns.
Those who support the gun lobby and “gun rights” are part of the problem. The blood of those children are on their hands as well.
DocBarrister
Stop complaining. Gun violence hasn’t stopped…YET. Nobody has taken all the guns away…YET. Just wait. It can happen.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 11:30 amI don't complain about the violence in Rochester more than Mayor Malik Evans. Trying to deal with it is his problem.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 9:41 amI asked you a question. BTW, stop complaining about gun violence in Rochester. Don’t want to see you post anything about that. Crime in Rochester hasn’t stopped YET. Just wait it will.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 8:47 amThat is the SOLUTION that Doc B proposed as a good start. As far as I know there is no current legislation YET to ban all guns. Maybe if you understood the context of what I was saying you wouldn't come across like a moron...Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 8:33 amDo you have a link to a piece of legislation that proposes to ban all guns? You sound stupid (again).cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 6:12 amOf course liberals such as yourself will gladly exclude yourself and your ideology from contributing to the mess we are in. if the solution is to ban all guns let me know how that works out. All of those many people who own illegal firearms will gladly turn them in. Everybody is looking at the guns and ignoring the crazy people behind the guns. What scares the hell out of me is the plethora of unstable people in this country that are willing to shoot innocent people for no reason. It appears this person celebrated his 18th birthday by purchasing the weapons he used. It could be time to raise the age to purchase a firearm to 18. It should also be mandatory to complete a firearm safety course. This is certainly not a solution, but it is a start.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 7:06 pmThese are the people who blather about "American Exceptionalism," but who have made us into a Third World country. Bad infrastructure, political paralysis, and 350,000,000 guns.
I stand corrected. Doc only wants to ban handguns and semi automatic weapons. You want to get into the what is a semi automatic weapon debate??
Thanks. Yes, I'd written my response before seeing your correction.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 11:26 amI corrected my mistake a few posts above yours. You abviously didn't read it. FTR how do you ban semi automatic weapons? It sounds easy until you understand what a semi automatic weapon is. If you ban AR 15 types weapons do you ban the venerable M1 Garland? Both are semi automatic weapons. Both are very lethal weapons with the M1 being much more deadly? I own an M1 carbine. A semi automatic rifle. Hell king Andy couldn't define what a semi automatic assault weapon was when he passed the SAFE ACT. For all the weapons he banned he allowed the Ruger Mini 14 to be sold. The same damn 5.56 round fired by the AR-15. The folks at Ruger are very grateful to king Andy. Their sales went thru the roof.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 10:03 amNo he did not. He was specific. Ban hand guns, ban assault rifles.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 8:44 amBack up the bus didn't Doc Barrister propose that just a few posts above. He appeared to be serious as a heart attack in doing so. FTR aquirering a hand gun in NYS legally is a monumental task that can take as long as a year depending on what county you live in. Buying any weapon in NYS legally requires an FBI background check from the firearms dealer. I agree that different states are very lax on gun ownership. I've said this a 1000 times, step one should be the BATF cracking down on the sale of firearms across state lines. If the solution is the sale of all firearms be regulated at the federal level.. there are 50 states that will take exception to that and the court cases will go on for many years. I'm all for keeping firearms out of the hands of unstable people. How our nation goes about doing that is no simple task. FTR I'm becoming more and more on the side of limiting the sales of AR-15 type weapons. IMO they are not a practical weapon for home defense. I don't think most folks that own these weapons understand how far a 5.56 round can travel and still be lethal. That would be in excess of 300 meters. That is farther than most people can see.jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 7:06 amGrow up. No one is insisting all guns must be banned. Americans have owned guns since forever and never had this problem until high capacity, high rate of fire weapons were made legal. Until we made acquiring and carrying a gun in public easier than acquiring a drivers license. I am sorry if it offends you, but this is a problem that is almost totally the responsibility of the republican party.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 6:12 amOf course liberals such as yourself will gladly exclude yourself and your ideology from contributing to the mess we are in. if the solution is to ban all guns let me know how that works out. All of those many people who own illegal firearms will gladly turn them in. Everybody is looking at the guns and ignoring the crazy people behind the guns. What scares the hell out of me is the plethora of unstable people in this country that are willing to shoot innocent people for no reason. It appears this person celebrated his 18th birthday by purchasing the weapons he used. It could be time to raise the age to purchase a firearm to 18. It should also be mandatory to complete a firearm safety course. This is certainly not a solution, but it is a start.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 7:06 pmThese are the people who blather about "American Exceptionalism," but who have made us into a Third World country. Bad infrastructure, political paralysis, and 350,000,000 guns.
I own a half dozen guns for hunting. None would be banned under Doc's suggestion.
Yes, this needs to be national legislation and it needs to stand up in SCOTUS.
I'm in favor of legal gun range situations that enable citizens to train on weapons, use them in sport, but not keep them in their homes, nor use them in supermarkets, schools, and churches.
I'm in favor of universal background checks of all guns, all situations, including, even, family transfers. No exceptions.
National legislation.
Let the kids carry guns.Chousnake wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 1:04 pm One more thing. The "put an armed law enforcement agent in every school" team took a hit with this tragedy. Law enforcement engaged the Uvalde shooter BEFORE he entered the school. He evaded them and barricaded himself in a classroom and committed every killing in that one classroom. No teacher or ex-law enforcement personnel armed in a school is going to stop these incidents.
Our troll is finally correct on something. They actually do. Or at least the vast majority of Democratic representatives care more than the vast majority of Republican ones. https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/25/politics ... index.htmlPeter Brown wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 11:34 am
Typical Democratic message today: I care more about these deaths than you do.
Instructive to watch grandstanding gubernatorial Democratic candidate Beto O'Rourke crash the governor's press conference as the genius Lt. Governor calls him an a-hole on national television as he orders the cops to remove him from the room.SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 2:12 pmOur troll is finally correct on something. They actually do. Or at least the vast majority of Democratic representatives care more than the vast majority of Republican ones. https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/25/politics ... index.htmlPeter Brown wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 11:34 am
Typical Democratic message today: I care more about these deaths than you do.