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March 13, 2021
Heather Cox Richardson
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Republican pundits and lawmakers are, once again, warning of an immigration crisis at our southern border.

Texas governor Greg Abbott says that if coronavirus spreads further in his state, it will not be because of his order to get rid of masks and business restrictions, but because President Biden is admitting undocumented immigrants who carry the virus. Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) is also talking up the immigration issue, suggesting (falsely) that the American Rescue Plan would send $1400 of taxpayer money “to every illegal alien in America.”

Right-wing media is also running with stories of a wave of immigrants at the border, but what is really happening needs some untangling.

When Trump launched his run for the presidency with attacks on Mexican immigrants, and later tweeted that Democrats “don’t care about crime and want illegal immigrants, no matter how bad they may be, to pour into and infest our Country," he was tangling up our long history of Mexican immigration with a recent, startling trend of refugees from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras (and blaming Democrats for both). That tendency to mash all immigrants and refugees together and put them on our southern border badly misrepresents what’s really going on.

Mexican immigration is nothing new; our western agribusinesses were built on migrant labor of Mexicans, Japanese, and poor whites, among others. From the time the current border was set in 1848 until the 1930s, people moved back and forth across it without restrictions. But in 1965, Congress passed the Hart-Celler Act, putting a cap on Latin American immigration for the first time. The cap was low: just 20,000, although 50,000 workers were coming annually.

After 1965, workers continued to come as they always had, and to be employed, as always. But now their presence was illegal. In 1986, Congress tried to fix the problem by offering amnesty to 2.3 million Mexicans who were living in the U.S. and by cracking down on employers who hired undocumented workers. But rather than ending the problem of undocumented workers, the new law exacerbated it by beginning the process of guarding and militarizing the border. Until then, migrants into the United States had been offset by an equal number leaving at the end of the season. Once the border became heavily guarded, Mexican migrants refused to take the chance of leaving.

Since 1986, politicians have refused to deal with this disconnect, which grew in the 1990s when the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) flooded Mexico with U.S. corn and drove Mexican farmers to find work, largely in the American Southeast. But this "problem" is neither new nor catastrophic. While about 6 million undocumented Mexicans currently live in the United States, most of them--78%-- are long-term residents, here more than ten years. Only 7% have lived here less than five years. (This ratio is much more stable than that for undocumented immigrants from any other country, and indeed, about twice as many undocumented immigrants come legally and overstay their visas than come illegally across the southern border.)

Since 2007, the number of undocumented Mexicans living in the United States has declined by more than a million. Lately, more Mexicans are leaving America than are coming.

What is happening right now at America's southern border is not really about Mexican migrant workers.

Beginning around 2014, people began to flee "warlike levels of violence" in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras, coming to the U.S. for asylum. This is legal, although most come illegally, taking their chances with smugglers who collect fees to protect migrants on the Mexican side of the border and to get them into the U.S.

The Obama administration tried to deter migrants by expanding the detention of families, and made significant investments in Central America in an attempt to stabilize the region by expanding economic development and promoting security. The Trump administration emphasized deterrence. It cut off support to Central American countries, worked with authoritarians to try to stop regional gangs, drastically limited the number of refugees the U.S. would admit, and—infamously—deliberately separated children from their parents to deter would-be asylum seekers.

The number of migrants to the U.S. began to drop in 2000 and continued to drop throughout Trump’s years in office.

Now, with a new administration, the dislocation of the pandemic, and two catastrophic storms in Central America in addition to the violence, people are again surging to the border to try to get into the U.S. In the last month, the Border Patrol encountered more than 100,000 people. They are encouraged by smugglers, who falsely tell them the border is now open. Numbers released on Wednesday show that the number of children and families coming to the border doubled between January and February.

The Biden administration is warning them not to come—yet. The Trump administration gutted immigration staff and facilities, while the pandemic has further cut available beds. Most of those trying to cross the border are single adults, and the Biden administration is turning all of them back under a pandemic public health order. (It is possible that the 100,000 number is inflated as people are making repeated attempts.)

At the same time, border officials are temporarily holding families to evaluate their claims to asylum, and are also evaluating the cases of about 65,000 asylum seekers forced by the Trump administration to stay in dangerous conditions in Mexico—this backlog is swelling the new numbers. Once the migrants are tested for coronavirus and then processed, they are either deported or released until their asylum hearing.

This has apparently led to a number of families being released in communities in Arizona and Texas without adequate clothing or money. In normal times, churches and shelters would step in to help, but the pandemic has shut that aid down to a trickle. Residents are afraid the numbers of migrants will climb, and that they will bring Covid-19. Biden offered federal help to Texas Governor Abbott to test migrants for the coronavirus, but Abbott has refused to take responsibility for testing. (Migrants in Brownsville tested positive at a lower rate than Texas residents.)

There is yet another issue: the administration is having a hard time handling the numbers of unaccompanied minors arriving. Their numbers have tripled recently, overwhelming the system, especially in Texas where the state is still digging out from the deep freeze. The children are supposed to spend no more than 72 hours in processing with Border Patrol before they are transferred to facilities overseen by the Department of Health and Human Services while agents search for family members to take the children. But at least in some cases, the kids have been with Border Patrol for as much as 77 hours. Last week, there were more than 3,700 unaccompanied children in Border Patrol facilities and about 8,800 unaccompanied children in HHS custody.

The Biden administration is considering addressing this surge by looking for emergency shelters for minors crossing the border, activating the Federal Emergency Management Agency, or placing more HHS staff at the border. It has asked for $4 billion over four years to try to restore stability to the Central American countries hardest hit by violence. Yesterday, the administration announced that HHS would not use immigration status against those coming forward to claim children, out of concern that the previous Trump-era policy made people unwilling to come forward.

The Senate has not yet confirmed Biden’s nominee to head HHS, Xavier Becerra, who is the son of Mexican immigrants. It is expected to do so next week at the earliest. When he finally takes office, he will have his work cut out for him.

For anyone interested in understanding what's happening on our S border, what the Trump Admin did to staunch the flow of illegal entrants, how they worked with the govts of Mexico & the N triangle, & how it is all quickly being undone by the Biden Admin, it's worth investing a free read & a few minutes in this lengthy NR explainer. It's too long to quote & gets into the nuts & bolts, all necessary to understand this complex issue.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/03/ ... he-border/

It's laughable for Biden to tell the migrants to wait & apply for asylum in their home countries.
They're not coming for asylum. They're economic migrants using the asylum process as a way to get in, join family or friends already here, then disappear within the US & not be deported until granted amnesty.

https://nypost.com/2021/03/18/texas-she ... ally-open/

This sheriff, a democrat no less, is telling us all what he sees everyday at the border. Who would of thunk that with all the people swarming over the border there might be a whole bunch of degenerate scum that we don't want in this country. Ooooopsies, I gues our FLP friends here will tell us that we have to take the bad with the good. It is like a crapshoot. You just hope the bad people wind up in someone elses city and not yours. Typical FLP thinking, killing people with their kindness.

JD Vance on illegal immigration & out southern border "challenge".

https://www.newsweek.com/true-compassio ... on-1576943

True 'Compassion' Requires Secure Borders and Stopping Illegal Immigration

In June 2015, Donald Trump rode down the infamous escalator at Trump Tower to announce his presidential bid. Like a lot of people, I didn't know what to think. From the start, I appreciated his populist instincts on trade and immigration, as well as his hard-line approach to China. But he was a former Democrat and his style seemed too abrasive, and I said as much. Surely, I thought, we can fix our broken politics with a more traditional Republican.

After he won, I rethought my opposition. As I watched the constant stream of venom from Democratic Party "resisters" and their allies in the corporate media, it dawned on me that President Trump's aggressive style was a feature, not a bug.

What separated Donald Trump from other Republicans in my lifetime wasn't just his populist-inspired policy agenda—it was his fearlessness. When he nominated my friend (and my wife's former boss) Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court, the Left threw every reprehensible slander imaginable in Kavanaugh's direction. I assumed Trump would fold and withdraw the nomination. But he didn't. He stood his ground, and Kavanaugh was eventually confirmed successfully.

That's a big part of why I backed President Trump's re-election in 2020. There were many reasons I did so, but nothing stands out as much as a dinner I attended with my wife and the leaders of dozens of America's wealthiest corporations.

One of the things I had no idea about, coming from a working-class background, is that America's ruling class loves to celebrate how much power and money it has. I call these "masters of the universe" events, and they're held all over the country in fancy hotels, ski lodges and beach resorts. On this particular evening, my wife and I found ourselves at a roundtable with the CEO of a large hotel chain on our left, and a large communications conglomerate on our right.

The Republicans, we're often told, are the party of the rich and famous. Yet nearly everyone assembled at this dinner simply loathed Donald Trump. He was the focus of nearly every conversation. And then the hotel CEO announced, "Trump has no idea how much his policies are hurting business. I mean, we can't keep people for $18 an hour in our hotels. If we're not paying $20, we're understaffed. And it's all because of Donald Trump's immigration policies."

Let's pause for a second to appreciate one of the wealthiest men in the world complaining about paying hard-working staff $20 an hour. The only thing he was missing was the Monopoly Man hat and cane. His argument, while vile, was at least intellectually honest: "Normally, if we can't find workers at a given wage, we just get a bunch of immigrants to do the job. It's easy. But there are so few people coming in across the border, so we just have to pay the people here more." This is why the American labor movement opposed immigration expansion for much of the past century—until recently, when many labor unions decided that being woke took priority over protecting workers.

My wife is not a political person, and I've never seen her as animated by a conversation about politics as she was at this "masters of the universe" dinner. "OK," she told me later. "I can understand why you can't stand these people."

I've thought of this moment frequently, as our southern border has exploded into crisis. We're a year into the COVID-19 pandemic, with tens of millions of people unemployed. Countless businesses have been destroyed. Despite the enormous challenges facing America's working class, those same masters of the universe and the politicians they fund are still looking for the same thing: cheap foreign labor. No one seems to care that many migrants test positive for COVID every day and will directly compete with our struggling service sector workers.

Republicans are right to oppose this madness, but there's a deeper question we often miss: Why is this happening? Why are we inviting thousands of people to come in the midst of a global pandemic, while economic devastation wrecks our working and middle classes? Why are we promising amnesty for millions when we know the vicious transnational drug cartels use that promise to sell desperate people on the promise of crossing the border?

The answer is what I saw at that dinner: It's about money. Nearly every major business and financial leader in this country is a supporter of the Democratic Party. They love illegal immigration for the simple reason that their livelihoods are subsidized by illegal immigration—while illegal aliens themselves are subsidized by the taxpayer. It's a redistribution scheme from the poor to the rich. More immigration means lower wages for their workers and easier access to servants for their decadent personal lives.

We should take a page from President Trump's playbook and call this what it is. Whenever I criticize the Biden administration's immigration policies, someone tells me I'm "racist." Many Republicans naturally grow defensive—no one wants to be tagged as a racist, especially in today's environment when an accusation like that can end your career or ruin your life.

But the proper response to these criticisms is to ignore them. It's not racist to want a secure border, higher-paying jobs for our fellow citizens and a government that doesn't allow human smugglers to earn billions of dollars on the plight of poor people. It's not racist to want to keep meth and heroin (most of which comes in through Mexico) out of our aching communities' bloodstream. And it's not racist to prevent human traffickers from taking advantage of the desperate poor of Central America.

What's so disgusting about the charge of racism is that it takes something good about the American people—their compassion for their fellow citizens—and warps it in service of our corporate overlords. Who cares about American solidarity if your hotel chain share price goes up a few pennies, right?

The people who echo those talking points should be shamed and dismissed. It's not racist to refuse to do the bidding of America's corporate oligarchy, and it's not compassionate to create a crisis on both sides of our southern border

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:26 am The answer is what I saw at that dinner: It's about money. Nearly every major business and financial leader in this country is a supporter of the Democratic Party.

This is just about the only part of the story that is true. Yes, the Dem party doesn't want to fix immigration.

But as we learned, neither do the Republicans, or Trump himself.



The rest of Vance's claims? Flat out fabrications to make Trump look awesome to readers. A big lie.

There isn't a hotel chain in the country that can't fill their housekeeping needs for $18 an hour.

He takes a small truth (Dems and R's don't want to fix this problem), and turns it into a massive lie (that Trump was fixing the problem). Trump's policies did no such thing...and housekeeping jobs, particularly at top hotels, are absolutely coveted jobs.....because they pay well, treat employees with respect, and have perqs---like free lunch/dinner----that outlast the wage.

But there isn't a chain that pays anywhere near $20 an hour across the country. Not even the Four Seasons pays that much for new housekeepers.

But I find it hilarious that JD Vance thinks he can make up those numbers, quote a fake CEO anonymously...and get away with it.

And I find it even more hilarious that he's trying to sell readers on the idea that hotel housekeeping jobs can't get filled (snicker) if new immigrants don't come over the southern border fast enough over the few years Trump was in charge. Like without the last four years of border crossings, gee whiz, there aren't enough housekeepers. If you think about it for even ten seconds, you realize what a stupid claim this is.

BTW, wanna guess what housekeepers make at Mar a Lago? (hint: it ain't $20 an hour)

Vance is lying. That conversation never happened. Anyone remember Stephen Glass?

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:18 am But I find it hilarious that JD Vance thinks he can make up those numbers, quote a fake CEO anonymously...and get away with it.

Vance is lying. That conversation never happened. Anyone remember Stephen Glass?

Only WP & NYT reporters can get away with that stuff.

Re the Glass comparison -- what in Vance's previous public utterances supports that comparison ?

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:45 am

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:18 am But I find it hilarious that JD Vance thinks he can make up those numbers, quote a fake CEO anonymously...and get away with it.

Vance is lying. That conversation never happened. Anyone remember Stephen Glass?

Only WP & NYT reporters can get away with that stuff.

Nope. They get called out for it. Specifically, YOU called them to task for this practice dozens of times.

Now that you like the message? Your bar for journalism goes way.

In all seriousness, I think you simply weren't paying attention.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:45 am Re the Glass comparison -- what in Vance's previous public utterances supports that comparison ?

I don't know what you mean here. The analogy I was making was Glass making up stories and interviewees that didn't exist....fabricating stories from whole cloth.

jhu72 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:21 pm Republican Mesa mayor: 'I've been impressed so far with this administration'

mescaline can make you think that way. At least the folks in Texas know who the one person in their state is that is impressed by the new administration. 72 heaping praise on a republican, there is a rare occurrence. Desperate times deserve desperate measures. IMO the problem at the border should be blamed on Poncho Villa the despot bandit that he was.

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:15 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:45 am

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:18 am But I find it hilarious that JD Vance thinks he can make up those numbers, quote a fake CEO anonymously...and get away with it.

Vance is lying. That conversation never happened. Anyone remember Stephen Glass?

Only WP & NYT reporters can get away with that stuff.

Nope. They get called out for it. Specifically, YOU called them to task for this practice dozens of times.

Now that you like the message? Your bar for journalism goes way.

In all seriousness, I think you simply weren't paying attention.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:45 am Re the Glass comparison -- what in Vance's previous public utterances supports that comparison ?

I don't know what you mean here. The analogy I was making was Glass making up stories and interviewees that didn't exist....fabricating stories from whole cloth.

What is your basis for asserting that Vance fabricated that story from whole cloth ?
Was the authenticity of anything in his book challenged ?
obtw, the WP just published a high profile correction.

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:06 am

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:15 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:45 am

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:18 am But I find it hilarious that JD Vance thinks he can make up those numbers, quote a fake CEO anonymously...and get away with it.

Vance is lying. That conversation never happened. Anyone remember Stephen Glass?

Only WP & NYT reporters can get away with that stuff.

Nope. They get called out for it. Specifically, YOU called them to task for this practice dozens of times.

Now that you like the message? Your bar for journalism goes way.

In all seriousness, I think you simply weren't paying attention.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:45 am Re the Glass comparison -- what in Vance's previous public utterances supports that comparison ?

I don't know what you mean here. The analogy I was making was Glass making up stories and interviewees that didn't exist....fabricating stories from whole cloth.

What is your basis for asserting that Vance fabricated that story from whole cloth ?
Was the authenticity of anything in his book challenged ?
obtw, the WP just published a high profile correction.

So, they corrected?

The supposed large hotel chain CEO's figures appear quite implausible: https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/H ... y-per-Hour

https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Hotel-Cleani ... s/salaries
It sounds like an imagined and/or highly exaggerated conversation.
As of Mar 15, 2021, the average hourly pay for a Hotel Housekeeping in the United States is $10.41 an hour.

"While ZipRecruiter is seeing hourly wages as high as $12.98 and as low as $7.69, the majority of Hotel Housekeeping wages currently range between $9.13 (25th percentile) to $11.06 (75th percentile) across the United States. The average pay range for a Hotel Housekeeping varies greatly (by as much as $1.92), which suggests there may be many opportunities for advancement and increased pay based on skill level, location and years of experience."

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:06 am

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:15 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:45 am

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:18 am But I find it hilarious that JD Vance thinks he can make up those numbers, quote a fake CEO anonymously...and get away with it.

Vance is lying. That conversation never happened. Anyone remember Stephen Glass?

Only WP & NYT reporters can get away with that stuff.

Nope. They get called out for it. Specifically, YOU called them to task for this practice dozens of times.

Now that you like the message? Your bar for journalism goes way.

In all seriousness, I think you simply weren't paying attention.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:45 am Re the Glass comparison -- what in Vance's previous public utterances supports that comparison ?

I don't know what you mean here. The analogy I was making was Glass making up stories and interviewees that didn't exist....fabricating stories from whole cloth.

What is your basis for asserting that Vance fabricated that story from whole cloth ?

Simple. That there isn't a hotel chain in America that pays anywhere close to $18 per hour....let alone $20.... starting across all markets.

There's simply no way a CEO said what Vance is claiming he said.

Either he got his numbers wrong---which is also on Vance------or he lied, and the conversation never happened. For me? It's clear he's lying.

Vance could have simply claimed that a CEO said Trump's policies made finding workers more difficult. A nebulous claim that doesn't really mean
anything...but can't be fact checked easily. Instead, he threw out numbers that are CLEARLY wrong, and in my opinion, obviously fabricated.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:45 am Was the authenticity of anything in his book challenged ?

No. I'm only discussing the article you cited.

You don't know what they pay room cleaners at 5 star hotels & resorts in high cost areas.

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:58 pm You don't know what they pay room cleaners at 5 star hotels & resorts in high cost areas.

From indeed.com: https://www.indeed.com/career/hotel-hou ... r/salaries

IHG Hotels & Resorts

3224 reviews, 33 salaries reported
$30.46 per hour

Wyndham Hotels & Resorts

273 reviews, 104 salaries reported
$25.56 per hour

The Williamsburg Hotel

34 reviews, 6 salaries reported
$16.99 per hour

Vacasa

356 reviews, 61 salaries reported
$15.91 per hour

SHG

13 reviews, 35 salaries reported
$13.76 per hour


It is not clear that those top two salary reports are for the same classification as would normally be considered as a housekeeping job. For example, are some of the reported positions actually supervisory?

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:25 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:58 pm You don't know what they pay room cleaners at 5 star hotels & resorts in high cost areas.

From indeed.com: https://www.indeed.com/career/hotel-hou ... r/salaries

IHG Hotels & Resorts

3224 reviews, 33 salaries reported
$30.46 per hour

Wyndham Hotels & Resorts

273 reviews, 104 salaries reported
$25.56 per hour

The Williamsburg Hotel

34 reviews, 6 salaries reported
$16.99 per hour

Vacasa

356 reviews, 61 salaries reported
$15.91 per hour

SHG

13 reviews, 35 salaries reported
$13.76 per hour


It is not clear that those top two salary reports are for the same classification as would normally be considered as a housekeeping job. For example, are some of the reported positions actually supervisory?

Room cleaners are on salary?

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:25 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:58 pm You don't know what they pay room cleaners at 5 star hotels & resorts in high cost areas.

From indeed.com: https://www.indeed.com/career/hotel-hou ... r/salaries

IHG Hotels & Resorts

3224 reviews, 33 salaries reported
$30.46 per hour

You need to dig a bit more in the indeed.com site.

You'll find, for example, that IHG pays an average of $10.99 an hour for housekeepers

Scroll to the bottom...

https://www.indeed.com/cmp/IHG-Hotels-& ... rom=career


My overall point is, housekeepers don't make anywhere close to $18 an hour.....and they can fill positions just fine. Vance is lying.

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:25 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:58 pm You don't know what they pay room cleaners at 5 star hotels & resorts in high cost areas.

From indeed.com: https://www.indeed.com/career/hotel-hou ... r/salaries

IHG Hotels & Resorts

3224 reviews, 33 salaries reported
$30.46 per hour

Wyndham Hotels & Resorts

273 reviews, 104 salaries reported
$25.56 per hour

The Williamsburg Hotel

34 reviews, 6 salaries reported
$16.99 per hour

Vacasa

356 reviews, 61 salaries reported
$15.91 per hour

SHG

13 reviews, 35 salaries reported
$13.76 per hour


It is not clear that those top two salary reports are for the same classification as would normally be considered as a housekeeping job. For example, are some of the reported positions actually supervisory?

Looks like data supporting the establishment of a national minimum wage closer to $20-$25 per hour.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:23 am

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:06 am

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:15 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:45 am

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:18 am But I find it hilarious that JD Vance thinks he can make up those numbers, quote a fake CEO anonymously...and get away with it.

Vance is lying. That conversation never happened. Anyone remember Stephen Glass?

Only WP & NYT reporters can get away with that stuff.

Nope. They get called out for it. Specifically, YOU called them to task for this practice dozens of times.

Now that you like the message? Your bar for journalism goes way.

In all seriousness, I think you simply weren't paying attention.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:45 am Re the Glass comparison -- what in Vance's previous public utterances supports that comparison ?

I don't know what you mean here. The analogy I was making was Glass making up stories and interviewees that didn't exist....fabricating stories from whole cloth.

What is your basis for asserting that Vance fabricated that story from whole cloth ?
Was the authenticity of anything in his book challenged ?
obtw, the WP just published a high profile correction.

So, they corrected?

The supposed large hotel chain CEO's figures appear quite implausible: https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/H ... y-per-Hour

https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Hotel-Cleani ... s/salaries
It sounds like an imagined and/or highly exaggerated conversation.
As of Mar 15, 2021, the average hourly pay for a Hotel Housekeeping in the United States is $10.41 an hour.

"While ZipRecruiter is seeing hourly wages as high as $12.98 and as low as $7.69, the majority of Hotel Housekeeping wages currently range between $9.13 (25th percentile) to $11.06 (75th percentile) across the United States. The average pay range for a Hotel Housekeeping varies greatly (by as much as $1.92), which suggests there may be many opportunities for advancement and increased pay based on skill level, location and years of experience."

Again, these are the #'s...ask Trump what he pays house cleaners at his 'high end' hotels and golf clubs and buildings...

If you are talking about a particular location in say a high dollar area (think like Aspen, CO where there are really no rentals within the reach of any employee at even double the current minimum wage) you either have the workers commute long distances (that actually does happen in Aspen) or have to provide housing as part of the job.

There you may have some very high salaries (I just looked up Aspen and the reported annual salaries for such are in the range of $21K to $35K). But for a large chain of hotels, where you might have cheaper housing within a reasonable commute these high salaries would be the exception.

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:08 am There you may have some very high salaries (I just looked up Aspen and the reported annual salaries for such are in the range of $21K to $35K).

Just sent a note to the bar manager at the Little Nell in Aspen..the best hotel there.

Starting salary for a new housekeeping hire in 2021? $16 an hour. At the best hotel in the most expensive city in the State.

Vance is lying.