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Re: Israel and Zionism

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:10 pm
by NattyBohChamps04
Brooklyn wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:37 pm some make the allegation that it is North Korea who is arming Hamas:

Experts Say Hamas Used North Korean Weapons: What It Means for Israel, Nuclear Arms
So who is arming Hamas and providing them with weapons manufacturing intel and supplies for making their own weapons? Republicans? Or are the Israelis shooting rockets and small arms at themselves?

Muslims keep doing a lot of things you say are against their religion. Any reconciliation there? #NoTrueMuslim?

Re: Israel and Zionism

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:37 am
by OCanada
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:10 pm
Brooklyn wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:37 pm some make the allegation that it is North Korea who is arming Hamas:

Experts Say Hamas Used North Korean Weapons: What It Means for Israel, Nuclear Arms
So who is arming Hamas and providing them with weapons manufacturing intel and supplies for making their own weapons? Republicans? Or are the Israelis shooting rockets and small arms at themselves?

Muslims keep doing a lot of things you say are against their religion. Any reconciliation there? #NoTrueMuslim?

Hamas and Muslims ate not at all the same thing. You seem unable to make that distinction nor to apply the the same standard to orher groups

Re: Israel and Zionism

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:57 am
by cradleandshoot
OCanada wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:37 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:10 pm
Brooklyn wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:37 pm some make the allegation that it is North Korea who is arming Hamas:

Experts Say Hamas Used North Korean Weapons: What It Means for Israel, Nuclear Arms
So who is arming Hamas and providing them with weapons manufacturing intel and supplies for making their own weapons? Republicans? Or are the Israelis shooting rockets and small arms at themselves?

Muslims keep doing a lot of things you say are against their religion. Any reconciliation there? #NoTrueMuslim?

Hamas and Muslims ate not at all the same thing. You seem unable to make that distinction nor to apply the the same standard to orher groups
Not all Muslims are Hamas but all Hamas are Muslims. All of Hamas wants Israel wiped off the face of the earth. That is a problematic issue to begin any form of dialogue. Perhaps if Hamas wasn't firing rockets from Gaza into Israel on a regular basis that would be helpful. We won't even discuss how those tens of thousands of rockets found their way into Gaza. Hamas must have bought them on E-bay. The shipping costs must have been outrageous.

Re: Israel and Zionism

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:28 am
by Brooklyn
OCanada wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:37 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:10 pm
Brooklyn wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:37 pm some make the allegation that it is North Korea who is arming Hamas:

Experts Say Hamas Used North Korean Weapons: What It Means for Israel, Nuclear Arms
So who is arming Hamas and providing them with weapons manufacturing intel and supplies for making their own weapons? Republicans? Or are the Israelis shooting rockets and small arms at themselves?

Muslims keep doing a lot of things you say are against their religion. Any reconciliation there? #NoTrueMuslim?

Hamas and Muslims ate not at all the same thing. You seem unable to make that distinction nor to apply the the same standard to orher groups


Exactly.

Bush and his fellow right wingers in the Republican party claim to belong to the party of Christian, moral values. That is, they claim to worship the Prince of Peace who demanded that a Christian always be at peace with ALL men. But this did not stop them from launching an imperialist war (which was heavily applauded in our old forum by Christian professing right wingers) of treason and terrorism that exceeded 9/11 by a hundred fold. One need only look at the Downing Street Memo for proof.

Re: Israel and Zionism

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:40 am
by Brooklyn
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:57 am

Not all Muslims are Hamas but all Hamas are Muslims. All of Hamas wants Israel wiped off the face of the earth. That is a problematic issue to begin any form of dialogue. Perhaps if Hamas wasn't firing rockets from Gaza into Israel on a regular basis that would be helpful. We won't even discuss how those tens of thousands of rockets found their way into Gaza. Hamas must have bought them on E-bay. The shipping costs must have been outrageous.

Christian professing right wingers including some in our old forum happily endorsed the two imperialist wars in the Middle East that were started by Bush. There were posts in the old forum about "bomb them back into the Stone Age" and "bomb, bomb, bomb - bomb, bomb, Iran". Then they cried when Biden withdrew American soldiers from Afghanistan when he complied with tRump's withdrawal timetable even though we had nothing to gain by staying there. They also applauded with rapturous joy when tRump assassinated General Qasem Soleimani even though al-Qaeda called him their worse enemy (he was an ally of Iraqi Prime Minister Adil Abdul-Mahdi who is pro West) and caused further instability in the Mid East. Clearly, they want to bomb Islam out of existence.

Re: Israel and Zionism

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:42 am
by Baducchi
Brooklyn wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:28 am ... But this did not stop them from launching an imperialist war (which was heavily applauded in our old forum by Christian professing right wingers) of treason and terrorism that exceeded 9/11 by a hundred fold...
and there it is. knew his true colors would eventually come out...

Re: Israel and Zionism

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:52 am
by Brooklyn
Baducchi wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:42 am
Brooklyn wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:28 am ... But this did not stop them from launching an imperialist war (which was heavily applauded in our old forum by Christian professing right wingers) of treason and terrorism that exceeded 9/11 by a hundred fold...
and there it is. knew his true colors would eventually come out...

In case you didn't know it, the disclosures made in the Downing Street Memo cost Tony Blair his seat as PM in Britain. Same with Aznar in Spain. Like it or not, Bush's war on Iraq was one of imperialistic terrorism.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downing_Street_memo

British equivalent of the Pentagon Papers.



The Downing Street Memo was the first documentary evidence of what many people had believed for years, that George W. Bush deliberately lied in order to convince Congress and the people of the United States that the invasion of Iraq was right and necessary. He had not only “misled” the United States, as most people were now saying, but he had done so knowingly.


https://webpages.csus.edu/~boblocke/loc ... wning.html



That was an act of treason. This is why Ben Ferencz called for Bush to be given a Nuremberg type tribunal for his crimes against Iraq and for his treason against the USA. Ferencz was the world's foremost authority on the subject.

Re: Israel and Zionism

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:49 pm
by NattyBohChamps04
OCanada wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:37 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:10 pm
Brooklyn wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:37 pm some make the allegation that it is North Korea who is arming Hamas:

Experts Say Hamas Used North Korean Weapons: What It Means for Israel, Nuclear Arms
So who is arming Hamas and providing them with weapons manufacturing intel and supplies for making their own weapons? Republicans? Or are the Israelis shooting rockets and small arms at themselves?

Muslims keep doing a lot of things you say are against their religion. Any reconciliation there? #NoTrueMuslim?

Hamas and Muslims ate not at all the same thing. You seem unable to make that distinction nor to apply the the same standard to orher groups
Were you directing that at me or Brooklyn? I'm aware that Hamas does not represent all Muslims, nor all Palestinians. But as cradle mentioned, Hamas is pretty much all Muslim. Committing atrocities as well as the Israelis. Brooklyn has mentioned multiple times that Muslims could not commit these atrocities because it is against their religion. So I was jabbing at his inconsistencies.

It's also kind of funny seeing Brooklyn side with a number of right-wing extremists on an issue -- obsessing about the ruling class wanting to go to war with Iran.

Re: Israel and Zionism

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:25 pm
by Brooklyn
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:49 pm


Were you directing that at me or Brooklyn? I'm aware that Hamas does not represent all Muslims, nor all Palestinians. But as cradle mentioned, Hamas is pretty much all Muslim. Committing atrocities as well as the Israelis. Brooklyn has mentioned multiple times that Muslims could not commit these atrocities because it is against their religion. So I was jabbing at his inconsistencies.

It's also kind of funny seeing Brooklyn side with a number of right-wing extremists on an issue -- obsessing about the ruling class wanting to go to war with Iran.


The real funny thing is how morality professing Christians can kill over a million Iraqis in the name of the Prince of Peace Jesus Christ:


https://www.google.com/search?q=over+a+ ... e&ie=UTF-8


These are the results of the war that we know. And the overall figures are stunning: 4.5 million displaced, 1-2 million widows, 5 million orphans, about one million dead—in one way or another, affecting nearly one in every two people in Iraq with tragically life-altering (or ending) impacts.


But the inconsistencies on the part of your crowd come as no surprise. Rather they are par for the course. As mentioned previously, Bush LIED in order to "justify" his war. That is the result of relying on Christian professing moral {sic} Republicans.


My principle source of information is the antiwar website which is conservative. Most of its writers are Jewish as are the Rabbis I quote previously. None are extremist, just honest.

Re: Israel and Zionism

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:35 pm
by NattyBohChamps04
Brooklyn wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:25 pm The real funny thing is how morality professing Christians can kill over a million Iraqis in the name of the Prince of Peace Jesus Christ:


https://www.google.com/search?q=over+a+ ... e&ie=UTF-8


These are the results of the war that we know. And the overall figures are stunning: 4.5 million displaced, 1-2 million widows, 5 million orphans, about one million dead—in one way or another, affecting nearly one in every two people in Iraq with tragically life-altering (or ending) impacts.


But the inconsistencies on the part of your crowd come as no surprise. Rather they are par for the course. As mentioned previously, Bush LIED in order to "justify" his war. That is the result of relying on Christian professing moral {sic} Republicans.


My principle source of information is the antiwar website which is conservative. Most of its writers are Jewish as are the Rabbis I quote previously. None are extremist, just honest.
What's really funny is you think I have a "crowd".

I'm not Christian and I didn't support the Iraq war. Bush was a pretty bad president and the 2000 election was a disaster for us, from the SCOTUS decision to all the various election interference. I'm not blindly one-sided in the Hamas / Israel issue either.

Muslims have also been killing each other in pretty sizable numbers for well over a millenia in the name of their religion.

Re: Israel and Zionism

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:47 pm
by Brooklyn
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:35 pm
Brooklyn wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:25 pm The real funny thing is how morality professing Christians can kill over a million Iraqis in the name of the Prince of Peace Jesus Christ:


https://www.google.com/search?q=over+a+ ... e&ie=UTF-8


These are the results of the war that we know. And the overall figures are stunning: 4.5 million displaced, 1-2 million widows, 5 million orphans, about one million dead—in one way or another, affecting nearly one in every two people in Iraq with tragically life-altering (or ending) impacts.


But the inconsistencies on the part of your crowd come as no surprise. Rather they are par for the course. As mentioned previously, Bush LIED in order to "justify" his war. That is the result of relying on Christian professing moral {sic} Republicans.


My principle source of information is the antiwar website which is conservative. Most of its writers are Jewish as are the Rabbis I quote previously. None are extremist, just honest.
What's really funny is you think I have a "crowd".

I'm not Christian and I didn't support the Iraq war. Bush was a pretty bad president and the 2000 election was a disaster for us, from the SCOTUS decision to all the various election interference. I'm not blindly one-sided in the Hamas / Israel issue either.

Muslims have also been killing each other in pretty sizable numbers for well over a millenia in the name of their religion.


I take it, then, that you agree these Jewish scholars whom I quote in all of my posts are not "extremists", right?

Yes, it is true that there has been an on going war between Sunni and Shiia. Far too many have died because of this. But then, Christians who claim to worship the Prince of Peace have killed even more people. FAR more. Case in point: see my posts above.

Re: Israel and Zionism

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:51 pm
by a fan
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:35 pm
Brooklyn wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:25 pm The real funny thing is how morality professing Christians can kill over a million Iraqis in the name of the Prince of Peace Jesus Christ:


https://www.google.com/search?q=over+a+ ... e&ie=UTF-8


These are the results of the war that we know. And the overall figures are stunning: 4.5 million displaced, 1-2 million widows, 5 million orphans, about one million dead—in one way or another, affecting nearly one in every two people in Iraq with tragically life-altering (or ending) impacts.


But the inconsistencies on the part of your crowd come as no surprise. Rather they are par for the course. As mentioned previously, Bush LIED in order to "justify" his war. That is the result of relying on Christian professing moral {sic} Republicans.


My principle source of information is the antiwar website which is conservative. Most of its writers are Jewish as are the Rabbis I quote previously. None are extremist, just honest.
What's really funny is you think I have a "crowd".

I'm not Christian and I didn't support the Iraq war. Bush was a pretty bad president and the 2000 election was a disaster for us, from the SCOTUS decision to all the various election interference. I'm not blindly one-sided in the Hamas / Israel issue either.

Muslims have also been killing each other in pretty sizable numbers for well over a millenia in the name of their religion.
Oh, Brookie won't mention that.

Or talk-----at all----about how Palestinians slaughtered 1,000+ defenseless civilians because they were bored, and they were told to do that by Iranians who don't want peace in the ME.

Problem is, Brookie and his crew just ain't all that bright, and are too stupid to understand that they are pawns being worked over a by a bunch of rich Muslims that foment war so they can get paid.

These attacks are designed to provoke Israel, and to make peace impossible. And so long as Brookie and all the folks protesting in Europe are too stupid to figure that out, and hold Palestine to account? We'll never come even close to peace in this region.

Same can be said about right-wing Israeli leaders treating Gaza like sh(t for the last couple of decades. It plays right into the hands of Hamas, who benefit from being portrayed as martyrs.

Neither side wants peace.

Re: Israel and Zionism

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:56 pm
by Brooklyn
a fan wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:51 pm
Oh, Brookie won't mention that.

Or talk-----at all----about how Palestinians slaughtered 1,000+ defenseless civilians because they were bored, and they were told to do that by Iranians who don't want peace in the ME.

Problem is, Brookie and his crew just ain't all that bright, and are too stupid to understand that they are pawns being worked over a by a bunch of rich Muslims that foment war so they can get paid.

These attacks are designed to provoke Israel, and to make peace impossible. And so long as Brookie and all the folks protesting in Europe are too stupid to figure that out, and hold Palestine to account? We'll never come even close to peace in this region.

Same can be said about right-wing Israeli leaders treating Gaza like sh(t for the last couple of decades. It plays right into the hands of Hamas, who benefit from being portrayed as martyrs.

Neither side wants peace.


Won't mention it? That's horseshttt as I just mentioned like I've done innumerable times. As for those protesting in Europe, many of them, like their equivalents in the USA, are Jews.

But if you are so valiant and must have your war, go ahead and enlist in the IDF. As always, we'll await for picture postcard.

Re: Israel and Zionism

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 5:01 pm
by Kismet
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:35 pm
Brooklyn wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:25 pm The real funny thing is how morality professing Christians can kill over a million Iraqis in the name of the Prince of Peace Jesus Christ:


https://www.google.com/search?q=over+a+ ... e&ie=UTF-8


These are the results of the war that we know. And the overall figures are stunning: 4.5 million displaced, 1-2 million widows, 5 million orphans, about one million dead—in one way or another, affecting nearly one in every two people in Iraq with tragically life-altering (or ending) impacts.


But the inconsistencies on the part of your crowd come as no surprise. Rather they are par for the course. As mentioned previously, Bush LIED in order to "justify" his war. That is the result of relying on Christian professing moral {sic} Republicans.


My principle source of information is the antiwar website which is conservative. Most of its writers are Jewish as are the Rabbis I quote previously. None are extremist, just honest.
What's really funny is you think I have a "crowd".

I'm not Christian and I didn't support the Iraq war. Bush was a pretty bad president and the 2000 election was a disaster for us, from the SCOTUS decision to all the various election interference. I'm not blindly one-sided in the Hamas / Israel issue either.

Muslims have also been killing each other in pretty sizable numbers for well over a millenia in the name of their religion.
Christians are not exempt either - consider The Crusades in the 12th Century, Protestants v Catholics in Great Britain and Ireland (only subsided recently) but ongoing since the 16th Century.

So-called Christians ( not just limited to Nazis and Soviets) have been persecuting Jews for at least that long as well.

Religion has been a the root of conflict for most of civilization as we know it since the beginning.

Re: Israel and Zionism

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 5:23 pm
by a fan
Brooklyn wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:56 pm Won't mention it? That's horseshttt as I just mentioned like I've done innumerable times.
Yeah, no you haven't. You're lying. Your citations and lengthy quotes are all about how Israel and America are bad.

By "innumerable" you mean: never.

Where are your posts on demanding the Palestinians give the hostages back? Posts on the details of the slaughter Israelis?

How about five or six citations from you about how Palestinians started this current mess, Brookie? Or how about where you lecture the Egyptians or the Lebonese for their part in this mess?

We get none of that. And we both know why. You put it all on the Isrealis.

From the River to the Sea, right Brookie?
Brooklyn wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:56 pm But if you are so valiant and must have your war, go ahead and enlist in the IDF. As always, we'll await for picture postcard.
Translation: Brookie has wet his pants again, and can't formulate simple rebuttals, so he comes up with garbage, and pretends he's making sense.

Re: Israel and Zionism

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:19 pm
by OCanada
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:49 pm
OCanada wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:37 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:10 pm
Brooklyn wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:37 pm some make the allegation that it is North Korea who is arming Hamas:

Experts Say Hamas Used North Korean Weapons: What It Means for Israel, Nuclear Arms
So who is arming Hamas and providing them with weapons manufacturing intel and supplies for making their own weapons? Republicans? Or are the Israelis shooting rockets and small arms at themselves?

Muslims keep doing a lot of things you say are against their religion. Any reconciliation there? #NoTrueMuslim?

Hamas and Muslims ate not at all the same thing. You seem unable to make that distinction nor to apply the the same standard to orher groups
Were you directing that at me or Brooklyn? I'm aware that Hamas does not represent all Muslims, nor all Palestinians. But as cradle mentioned, Hamas is pretty much all Muslim. Committing atrocities as well as the Israelis. Brooklyn has mentioned multiple times that Muslims could not commit these atrocities because it is against their religion. So I was jabbing at his inconsistencies.

It's also kind of funny seeing Brooklyn side with a number of right-wing extremists on an issue -- obsessing about the ruling class wanting to go to war with Iran.

I was not directing it at anyone. I was reacting to “the Muslims keep doing a lot of things etc.”. Israel keeps doing things that violate Torah and Christians as well.

Re: Israel and Zionism

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:07 pm
by Brooklyn
a fan wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 5:23 pm
Brooklyn wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:56 pm Won't mention it? That's horseshttt as I just mentioned like I've done innumerable times.
Yeah, no you haven't. You're lying. Your citations and lengthy quotes are all about how Israel and America are bad.

By "innumerable" you mean: never.

Where are your posts on demanding the Palestinians give the hostages back? Posts on the details of the slaughter Israelis?

How about five or six citations from you about how Palestinians started this current mess, Brookie? Or how about where you lecture the Egyptians or the Lebonese for their part in this mess?

We get none of that. And we both know why. You put it all on the Isrealis.

From the River to the Sea, right Brookie?
Brooklyn wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:56 pm But if you are so valiant and must have your war, go ahead and enlist in the IDF. As always, we'll await for picture postcard.
Translation: Brookie has wet his pants again, and can't formulate simple rebuttals, so he comes up with garbage, and pretends he's making sense.


I haven't?

Too dumb of a reply. Obviously, you have your brains up your stink hole. Not worthy of any further reply.

Re: Israel and Zionism

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:12 pm
by Brooklyn
Democrat Angie Nixon asks, How many more dead Palestinians is enough?


Republican Michelle Salzman replies, "All of them".






Since Congress voted to censure Raschida Tlaib, it's time to do the same to Salzman.

Let's see the "moral" Christianity {sic} crowd here call for the same. I bet that will be a LONG wait ....

Re: Israel and Zionism

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:33 pm
by Brooklyn
Palestinian alleges that American troops are in Gaza and involved in military operations:





Some may argue that this is far fetched. Recall, however, that people were saying USA troops were in Laos and Cambodia while the government and the pro war media denied it. Then Nixon ordered bombing in those lands and expanded the war. Because of the bombing in Cambodia we got the Kent State massacre. Thus, American military presence in Gaza is a very real possibility because government reports which deny it are not reliable.

Looks like there will be a war whether anyone likes or not, or denies it or not. Because of that the pro war types in the forum should get ready to enlist since they are so hell bent on having that war. If it's all worth dying for, then it's worth it for them to die there.

Who is going to sign up?

Re: Israel and Zionism

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 9:01 pm
by youthathletics
Brooklyn wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:33 pm Palestinian alleges that American troops are in Gaza and involved in military operations:





Some may argue that this is far fetched. Recall, however, that people were saying USA troops were in Laos and Cambodia while the government and the pro war media denied it. Then Nixon ordered bombing in those lands and expanded the war. Because of the bombing in Cambodia we got the Kent State massacre. Thus, American military presence in Gaza is a very real possibility because government reports which deny it are not reliable.

Looks like there will be a war whether anyone likes or not, or denies it or not. Because of that the pro war types in the forum should get ready to enlist since they are so hell bent on having that war. If it's all worth dying for, then it's worth it for them to die there.

Who is going to sign up?

So you are now against protecting and saving Americans in Gaza and getting rid of Israel. Thanks, we know where you stand with certainty, now!