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Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:20 pm

DMac wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:12 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:59 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:13 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 3:50 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 3:15 pm Politicians are like football coaches- Don’t listen to what they say, watch what the DO.

Holding back 50% of the vaccine means the production hasn’t been what was expected/promised.

As I understand it, the vaccine is useless without the second dose. Giving out 100% is a waste of you can’t give that second dose. Give out what you can that guarantees it will work. Which, At this point, is 50% of the dose.

not really the case. there was a break at about 12-13 days for pfizer for example. including small sample size no serious cases vs placebo at the time before 2nd shot.
https://twitter.com/VirusesImmunity/sta ... 78241?s=20
we may never know what 1 shot would do long term if they don't test it long term (same with moderna). which they may in order to have more for everyone. however.. it was approved for 2 doses. if you can't be assured of that on production/distribution, well then you may get what you got.

as far as that call on distribution and producton, without being in the room, when i first heard of how they were doing it i had a similar initial reaction - "why not more earlier?". though production issues relating to materials were already a problem with first batches. who knows what they would be once siphoning materials up and ramping? on this one, i trust the health and logistics guys running the show before i do a wapo writer.

personally had a much bigger question with who we were doling them out to. think they should've been nursing home & 75 plus first, then 65 plus (total <45 million people and 80% of deaths), then 55 plus (another 10%+). 85 million people we've covered over 90% of deaths. the rest of the pop @ 25,000 deaths right now. so i don't agree with them on this and yes, sounds like i'm talking out both sides of my mouth.

looks like shortly after my post, google search and the hill teamed up to put something out:
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5 ... culation=1

strange how a focus now on pushing shots through to as many as possible and a untried one dose regimen are being bandied about, but little to no discussion on cdc guides to have health and then frontline workers
included early. heard an entire health system getting vaxxed. including lab personnel who are backed by the right program (even if off-site) and undergrad nursing students who aren't patient facing.

and of congress will be able to vote safely.

Thanks for finding and sharing. Agree re little discussion of priorities...I'm still perplexed as to why they were working on vaccine distribution issues for many months yet seemed to not have clear recommendations about priorities, indeed no recommendations, until the very last moment...certainly doesn't engender confidence that either 1) the public health folks were in charge and/or 2) there wasn't political pressure from non-public health people.

It also disturbs me that, if the article is accurate, that for each vaccination distributed a second dose is being held back and not distributed. It's as if they have zero confidence that more doses are being produced and will be available. I understand some modeled reserve but 1:1 makes no sense to me absent a belief no more doses are being produced.

And am I correct that when they say the gov't is holding back the second doses, they mean the federal gov't is not shipping them to the states? Yet the federal gov't isn't tracking the individuals being vaccinated, the states are in charge of that...maybe? But the federal gov't isn't sending the states the second doses?

That sure sounds like a recipe for disaster.

You boys seem to be up on this stuff so let's talk about masks for a minute. Here in NYS we're all about 'em, you go into any establishment, you better have a mask on and pretty much everyone does. Here's what you do when you go into a bar or restaurant: Wear a mask when you enter, can't stand at the bar but you can sit there. Can take your mask off when you're seated (put it back on to and from the restroom though) and you must order food, can't just sit there with your drink. W-T-F kind of sense does that make? I walk in with my mask on so I and everyone else is safer but I take it off when I'm seated next to my friends at the bar....makes perfect sense (not), eh? You figure that confuses people (it sure does me)?
Further, a family of six New Yorkers goes to Florida for Christmas, two teachers and their four kids. No one in Florida is wearing a mask. Not at the beach, not in stores, not in bars or restaurants. Inasmuch as they're remote teaching and their kids are remote schoolers, they're saying phuk dis, we might as well stay down in Florida for another month where we feel a whole more comfortable and aren't bombarded with rules and so much covid talk and worry. Apparently there's a whole different attitude about covid and precautions down there (heard it from a friend of a friend...their father/father-in-law).
So what gives with the masks, we pizzin' in the wind with them up here or are they being selfish/irresponsible citizens who are putting the rest of the country at risk? It all really does leave the average Joe in a state of confusion and yes, he can do some research but even that won't give you a definitive answer as not all the "experts" are in agreement about all that. So what to do?

Close the bars / restaurants down and subsidize the employees was my solution. What is amazing is how much of a luxury going to a bar and restaurant is and people believe it’s a right.

That does not help the bar owners. They still have to pay the rent and all of their booze suppliers for product they have had to flush down the drain. The bar owners here in Rochester just had another shoe drop on them. The FLP leadership of the city of Rochester decided to force all the local bar owners to pay the permit fees for all of the games they have in their bars. Pool tables, dart boards, video games, foosball tables. They are shut down and can't allow any customers to play these games. So why the eff do the bar owners have to pay the fees on equipment in their bars that can't use?

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:06 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:11 am

DMac wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:03 am Yes, it's the AT&T girl....and here's a little better cropping job (didn't crop the first one).

....and the first one is this gal, who has, perhaps, the nicest asz on the planet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxZM9i71FGQ

I thought that was her. I am thirsty. I figured she was hot. It is like when I first saw Halle Berry in a movie. I told me friends she was hot....they thought I was crazy. I have a sharp eye. She was playing a crackhead in Jungle Fever. They tried their best to mKe her look bad but I could see through it. A few years later she emerged. People couldn’t believe it was the same girl... she is a Cleveland girl. They have a reputation for being hot and wild.

Right on, my thirst wouldn’t be quenched if I lived liek Caligula these days.

I often wonder how I should feel about Stacey Dash. TLD, any thoughts? She’s out of this world hot but also out of her mind crazy. And not in that punch you in the face mid coitus cool crazy either.

Hot but crazy......She’s on that hot but crazy scale.....a sugar baby.

Maybe she’s a relative of Clayton Bigsby. But seriously I’ll sit down a watch a bit of clueless because of her. Silver stone was the jam when she was bungee jumping from her belly button ring in the Aerosmith video but moved on within a year or two from that and that was HS for me (or possibly even late middle school).

holmes435 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:38 pm

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:38 pm My intention is to make people provide reasoning behind their posts. It's not my intention to defend DJT, but I don't hate him. That doesn't make me a bad person. My younger sister was a 2X All-American at Maryland/Syracuse. She is now the top assistant at Villanova. She has a ring from 2014 and then went on to play for Gait at Cuse from 2015-2016 and was All-American at Attack there. I trust there are those on here who can find it who she was. Hint, her first name is not the most common! Been around the game since I was 6, I am now recently turned 31. Just because I am younger than the majority of the posters or certain people on this forum have been a certain way since 2005 DOESN"T MEAN THEY ARE RIGHT, people change and hopefully adapt. I grew up in Manhasset NY, the mecca of lacrosse. This has been a good year on my end, I just got a new job as a property manager at a very reputable LI firm that owns and operates major Retail Centers across LI and the 5 Boros. I start in Early January. Happy New Year!

Joe

Cool, looks like I missed coaching against your sister by a year when she was playing, and have probably bumped into her at some point since then at fall ball and conventions.


You're only a few years younger than at least 3-4 of the regular posters here. Plenty of people on this forum get things wrong on a wide variety of issues, myself included, and some have changed their positions over the years. Just because we may not change things by chatting, doesn't mean we shouldn't keep posting about things we care about.

+1

Joe

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:12 pm Playing devils advocate is a younger persons game. I still do it too much but I’ve learned through my 30s that it’s not worth debating just to debate these days. We all go through that process I think.

And not sure, Joe, if you’ll get into the Acq or Finance side but feel free to ping me offline if I can be helpful. Spent a number of years in CRE finance in the CMBS business and then for a CRE CDO/HY Debt fun’s (controlled by a public REIT called Winthrop Realty Trust whos management was out in Greet Neck even though the business was HQ in Boston which they acquired via a reverse merger w pass the hat money). I was doing national work but still have contacts up there in CRE as well as cap Mkts finance and some local bank execs like Bridgehampton Bank (merging now w Dime) and a few others out that way.

Thanks, good to know. I appreciate it!

Joe

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:09 pm

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:38 pm

holmes435 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:17 am

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:59 pm

holmes435 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:10 pm Ah, the tired "rent free" thing. As if being concerned with the leadership (or lack of it) in your country is letting someone live in your head. I'm sure you're not going to criticize anything Biden does in the next 4 years, because that would just be him living rent free in your head. I look forward to your carefree attitude the next four years! Will be refreshing.

Trump is president now and will be for a few more weeks. He's not doing anything now and really hasn't been. So what you're saying is that he's just so terrible, we should take up a hobby and wait until someone potentially better is in office? And not demand that Trump and his supporters be held accountable for their actions, leading to a lot of unnecessary deaths?

I do like that you ask who lives that way, so bitter about the other side, when so many Trump supporters are foaming and frothing at the mouth to have the election overturned and overthrow the Biden presidency.

I guarantee you a lot of people here in the middle and the left who criticize Trump will also criticize Biden. You don't see a lot of people on the right criticizing Biden before he's even president also criticizing Trump's decisions the past four years. It's a cult of personality for a reason.

In any case, I suggest you sit back, watch how it plays out, and don't worry about other people criticizing Trump for the next few weeks. After all, he's gonna be out of office on 1/20/21. I mean who would want to live that way? Obsessed with people who criticize Trump.

Criticize or not, you will HAVE NO EFFECT ON WHAT'S HAPPENING. THATS MY POINT! Happy New Year All!!!

Joe

Your criticism seems to be very one sided and we here already know it has no effect since this place's predecessor opened when you were ~7. It's to blow off steam and to make some lacrosse friends. What's your lacrosse background, I bet we have at least 4-5 friends or acquaintances in common. Happy New Year!!! My 2020 was the best in company history, we were insanely blessed throughout this mess, despite getting no .gov assistance.

My intention is to make people provide reasoning behind their posts. It's not my intention to defend DJT, but I don't hate him. That doesn't make me a bad person. My younger sister was a 2X All-American at Maryland/Syracuse. She is now the top assistant at Villanova. She has a ring from 2014 and then went on to play for Gait at Cuse from 2015-2016 and was All-American at Attack there. I trust there are those on here who can find it who she was. Hint, her first name is not the most common! Been around the game since I was 6, I am now recently turned 31. Just because I am younger than the majority of the posters or certain people on this forum have been a certain way since 2005 DOESN"T MEAN THEY ARE RIGHT, people change and hopefully adapt. I grew up in Manhasset NY, the mecca of lacrosse. This has been a good year on my end, I just got a new job as a property manager at a very reputable LI firm that owns and operates major Retail Centers across LI and the 5 Boros. I start in Early January. Happy New Year!

Joe

I quite agree that not hating DJT (or anyone else for that matter) doesn't necessarily make anyone a bad person. But certainly there's a stench that comes from defending, making common cause with, identifying with, etc any number of repugnant characters in our world...there's always the question as to why someone doesn't see the mass murderer as such, rather than defending them as say, 'just another person who sometimes does the wrong thing and people can get hurt from time to time'...

Dunno about Manhasset as the "mecca of lacrosse", but hey, this is a discussion forum, so everyone has a chance to express their views.

Your sis was a heck of a college player and best of luck to her in her coaching career. And good luck to you in yours in real estate.

MD,
Thank you! She is looking forward to the new women's league coming this summer. Big names involved with the company, Kevin Durant included. This one will "succeed" as they have already leagues in other womens sports that aren't as popular go off without a hitch. Manhasset may not be the "mecca" but besides Garden City, is one of the most historic and successful programs in LI. The Woodstick Classic is one of the most storied rivalries in HS Lacrosse, has been played up until this year every year since 1935. Manhasset of course, leads 77-61. Unfortunately sis did not get a state title at Manhasset as she was the lone impact player in the senior class and the remaining talent were freshmen and sophomores who went on to win states in 2014.

https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/pro/women ... rts-league

Joe

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:55 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:12 pm Playing devils advocate is a younger persons game. I still do it too much but I’ve learned through my 30s that it’s not worth debating just to debate these days. We all go through that process I think.

And not sure, Joe, if you’ll get into the Acq or Finance side but feel free to ping me offline if I can be helpful. Spent a number of years in CRE finance in the CMBS business and then for a CRE CDO/HY Debt fun’s (controlled by a public REIT called Winthrop Realty Trust whos management was out in Greet Neck even though the business was HQ in Boston which they acquired via a reverse merger w pass the hat money). I was doing national work but still have contacts up there in CRE as well as cap Mkts finance and some local bank execs like Bridgehampton Bank (merging now w Dime) and a few others out that way.

Thanks, good to know. I appreciate it!

Joe

Know it’s a big town and they’re all around 10yrs older than you but any chance you’ve crossed paths with either the Murtha brothers (James was a friend who played goalie at Bart and his brother Nick played at Hop I think, or Duke, forgot) or Pete and his sister Brooke Gordon? Think they mostly all reside around that area now along with having grown up there.

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:01 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:09 pm

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:38 pm

holmes435 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:17 am

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:59 pm

holmes435 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:10 pm Ah, the tired "rent free" thing. As if being concerned with the leadership (or lack of it) in your country is letting someone live in your head. I'm sure you're not going to criticize anything Biden does in the next 4 years, because that would just be him living rent free in your head. I look forward to your carefree attitude the next four years! Will be refreshing.

Trump is president now and will be for a few more weeks. He's not doing anything now and really hasn't been. So what you're saying is that he's just so terrible, we should take up a hobby and wait until someone potentially better is in office? And not demand that Trump and his supporters be held accountable for their actions, leading to a lot of unnecessary deaths?

I do like that you ask who lives that way, so bitter about the other side, when so many Trump supporters are foaming and frothing at the mouth to have the election overturned and overthrow the Biden presidency.

I guarantee you a lot of people here in the middle and the left who criticize Trump will also criticize Biden. You don't see a lot of people on the right criticizing Biden before he's even president also criticizing Trump's decisions the past four years. It's a cult of personality for a reason.

In any case, I suggest you sit back, watch how it plays out, and don't worry about other people criticizing Trump for the next few weeks. After all, he's gonna be out of office on 1/20/21. I mean who would want to live that way? Obsessed with people who criticize Trump.

Criticize or not, you will HAVE NO EFFECT ON WHAT'S HAPPENING. THATS MY POINT! Happy New Year All!!!

Joe

Your criticism seems to be very one sided and we here already know it has no effect since this place's predecessor opened when you were ~7. It's to blow off steam and to make some lacrosse friends. What's your lacrosse background, I bet we have at least 4-5 friends or acquaintances in common. Happy New Year!!! My 2020 was the best in company history, we were insanely blessed throughout this mess, despite getting no .gov assistance.

My intention is to make people provide reasoning behind their posts. It's not my intention to defend DJT, but I don't hate him. That doesn't make me a bad person. My younger sister was a 2X All-American at Maryland/Syracuse. She is now the top assistant at Villanova. She has a ring from 2014 and then went on to play for Gait at Cuse from 2015-2016 and was All-American at Attack there. I trust there are those on here who can find it who she was. Hint, her first name is not the most common! Been around the game since I was 6, I am now recently turned 31. Just because I am younger than the majority of the posters or certain people on this forum have been a certain way since 2005 DOESN"T MEAN THEY ARE RIGHT, people change and hopefully adapt. I grew up in Manhasset NY, the mecca of lacrosse. This has been a good year on my end, I just got a new job as a property manager at a very reputable LI firm that owns and operates major Retail Centers across LI and the 5 Boros. I start in Early January. Happy New Year!

Joe

I quite agree that not hating DJT (or anyone else for that matter) doesn't necessarily make anyone a bad person. But certainly there's a stench that comes from defending, making common cause with, identifying with, etc any number of repugnant characters in our world...there's always the question as to why someone doesn't see the mass murderer as such, rather than defending them as say, 'just another person who sometimes does the wrong thing and people can get hurt from time to time'...

Dunno about Manhasset as the "mecca of lacrosse", but hey, this is a discussion forum, so everyone has a chance to express their views.

Your sis was a heck of a college player and best of luck to her in her coaching career. And good luck to you in yours in real estate.

MD,
Thank you! She is looking forward to the new women's league coming this summer. Big names involved with the company, Kevin Durant included. This one will "succeed" as they have already leagues in other womens sports that aren't as popular go off without a hitch. Manhasset may not be the "mecca" but besides Garden City, is one of the most historic and successful programs in LI. The Woodstick Classic is one of the most storied rivalries in HS Lacrosse, has been played up until this year every year since 1935. Manhasset of course, leads 77-61. Unfortunately sis did not get a state title at Manhasset as she was the lone impact player in the senior class and the remaining talent were freshmen and sophomores who went on to win states in 2014.

https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/pro/women ... rts-league

Joe

I miss high school lacrosse on MSG Network. The Woodstick Classic was always fun to watch.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:09 pm

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:55 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:12 pm Playing devils advocate is a younger persons game. I still do it too much but I’ve learned through my 30s that it’s not worth debating just to debate these days. We all go through that process I think.

And not sure, Joe, if you’ll get into the Acq or Finance side but feel free to ping me offline if I can be helpful. Spent a number of years in CRE finance in the CMBS business and then for a CRE CDO/HY Debt fun’s (controlled by a public REIT called Winthrop Realty Trust whos management was out in Greet Neck even though the business was HQ in Boston which they acquired via a reverse merger w pass the hat money). I was doing national work but still have contacts up there in CRE as well as cap Mkts finance and some local bank execs like Bridgehampton Bank (merging now w Dime) and a few others out that way.

Thanks, good to know. I appreciate it!

Joe

Know it’s a big town and they’re all around 10yrs older than you but any chance you’ve crossed paths with either the Murtha brothers (James was a friend who played goalie at Bart and his brother Nick played at Hop I think, or Duke, forgot) or Pete and his sister Brooke Gordon? Think they mostly all reside around that area now along with having grown up there.

The Murtha's are legendary around these parts. A few times at one of the local watering holes. My sister's HS Coach, Danielle Gallagher in the US Lacrosse Hall of Fame and was still paying for the national team at over 35 years old.

Joe

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:25 pm

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:01 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:09 pm

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:38 pm

holmes435 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:17 am

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:59 pm

holmes435 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:10 pm Ah, the tired "rent free" thing. As if being concerned with the leadership (or lack of it) in your country is letting someone live in your head. I'm sure you're not going to criticize anything Biden does in the next 4 years, because that would just be him living rent free in your head. I look forward to your carefree attitude the next four years! Will be refreshing.

Trump is president now and will be for a few more weeks. He's not doing anything now and really hasn't been. So what you're saying is that he's just so terrible, we should take up a hobby and wait until someone potentially better is in office? And not demand that Trump and his supporters be held accountable for their actions, leading to a lot of unnecessary deaths?

I do like that you ask who lives that way, so bitter about the other side, when so many Trump supporters are foaming and frothing at the mouth to have the election overturned and overthrow the Biden presidency.

I guarantee you a lot of people here in the middle and the left who criticize Trump will also criticize Biden. You don't see a lot of people on the right criticizing Biden before he's even president also criticizing Trump's decisions the past four years. It's a cult of personality for a reason.

In any case, I suggest you sit back, watch how it plays out, and don't worry about other people criticizing Trump for the next few weeks. After all, he's gonna be out of office on 1/20/21. I mean who would want to live that way? Obsessed with people who criticize Trump.

Criticize or not, you will HAVE NO EFFECT ON WHAT'S HAPPENING. THATS MY POINT! Happy New Year All!!!

Joe

Your criticism seems to be very one sided and we here already know it has no effect since this place's predecessor opened when you were ~7. It's to blow off steam and to make some lacrosse friends. What's your lacrosse background, I bet we have at least 4-5 friends or acquaintances in common. Happy New Year!!! My 2020 was the best in company history, we were insanely blessed throughout this mess, despite getting no .gov assistance.

My intention is to make people provide reasoning behind their posts. It's not my intention to defend DJT, but I don't hate him. That doesn't make me a bad person. My younger sister was a 2X All-American at Maryland/Syracuse. She is now the top assistant at Villanova. She has a ring from 2014 and then went on to play for Gait at Cuse from 2015-2016 and was All-American at Attack there. I trust there are those on here who can find it who she was. Hint, her first name is not the most common! Been around the game since I was 6, I am now recently turned 31. Just because I am younger than the majority of the posters or certain people on this forum have been a certain way since 2005 DOESN"T MEAN THEY ARE RIGHT, people change and hopefully adapt. I grew up in Manhasset NY, the mecca of lacrosse. This has been a good year on my end, I just got a new job as a property manager at a very reputable LI firm that owns and operates major Retail Centers across LI and the 5 Boros. I start in Early January. Happy New Year!

Joe

I quite agree that not hating DJT (or anyone else for that matter) doesn't necessarily make anyone a bad person. But certainly there's a stench that comes from defending, making common cause with, identifying with, etc any number of repugnant characters in our world...there's always the question as to why someone doesn't see the mass murderer as such, rather than defending them as say, 'just another person who sometimes does the wrong thing and people can get hurt from time to time'...

Dunno about Manhasset as the "mecca of lacrosse", but hey, this is a discussion forum, so everyone has a chance to express their views.

Your sis was a heck of a college player and best of luck to her in her coaching career. And good luck to you in yours in real estate.

MD,
Thank you! She is looking forward to the new women's league coming this summer. Big names involved with the company, Kevin Durant included. This one will "succeed" as they have already leagues in other womens sports that aren't as popular go off without a hitch. Manhasset may not be the "mecca" but besides Garden City, is one of the most historic and successful programs in LI. The Woodstick Classic is one of the most storied rivalries in HS Lacrosse, has been played up until this year every year since 1935. Manhasset of course, leads 77-61. Unfortunately sis did not get a state title at Manhasset as she was the lone impact player in the senior class and the remaining talent were freshmen and sophomores who went on to win states in 2014.

https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/pro/women ... rts-league

Joe

I miss high school lacrosse on MSG Network. The Woodstick Classic was always fun to watch.

There is really not a lot like it!

Joe

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:09 pm

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:55 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:12 pm Playing devils advocate is a younger persons game. I still do it too much but I’ve learned through my 30s that it’s not worth debating just to debate these days. We all go through that process I think.

And not sure, Joe, if you’ll get into the Acq or Finance side but feel free to ping me offline if I can be helpful. Spent a number of years in CRE finance in the CMBS business and then for a CRE CDO/HY Debt fun’s (controlled by a public REIT called Winthrop Realty Trust whos management was out in Greet Neck even though the business was HQ in Boston which they acquired via a reverse merger w pass the hat money). I was doing national work but still have contacts up there in CRE as well as cap Mkts finance and some local bank execs like Bridgehampton Bank (merging now w Dime) and a few others out that way.

Thanks, good to know. I appreciate it!

Joe

Know it’s a big town and they’re all around 10yrs older than you but any chance you’ve crossed paths with either the Murtha brothers (James was a friend who played goalie at Bart and his brother Nick played at Hop I think, or Duke, forgot) or Pete and his sister Brooke Gordon? Think they mostly all reside around that area now along with having grown up there.

The Murtha's are legendary around these parts. A few times at one of the local watering holes. My sister's HS Coach, Danielle Gallagher in the US Lacrosse Hall of Fame and was still paying for the national team at over 35 years old.

Joe

James, myself and one or two of his fraternity brothers created a pregame, game called MillCrateHead. We’d start off w a game of A-hole to get a buzz first, then we’d play MCH where one person puts an old school milk create on their head and the rest of us would fire empty beer bottles at him from a couch in the room. One at a time and the winner, who got 2 shots bought for them at the bar later, was the person who could take the most shots before bleeding (either a cut from those hard plastic crates or a bloody nose from a good middle shot).

I only met Nick a couple of times but James was an animal. We had some good times destroying Hobarts reputation with the local community back in the day!

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:46 pm

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:09 pm

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:55 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:12 pm Playing devils advocate is a younger persons game. I still do it too much but I’ve learned through my 30s that it’s not worth debating just to debate these days. We all go through that process I think.

And not sure, Joe, if you’ll get into the Acq or Finance side but feel free to ping me offline if I can be helpful. Spent a number of years in CRE finance in the CMBS business and then for a CRE CDO/HY Debt fun’s (controlled by a public REIT called Winthrop Realty Trust whos management was out in Greet Neck even though the business was HQ in Boston which they acquired via a reverse merger w pass the hat money). I was doing national work but still have contacts up there in CRE as well as cap Mkts finance and some local bank execs like Bridgehampton Bank (merging now w Dime) and a few others out that way.

Thanks, good to know. I appreciate it!

Joe

Know it’s a big town and they’re all around 10yrs older than you but any chance you’ve crossed paths with either the Murtha brothers (James was a friend who played goalie at Bart and his brother Nick played at Hop I think, or Duke, forgot) or Pete and his sister Brooke Gordon? Think they mostly all reside around that area now along with having grown up there.

The Murtha's are legendary around these parts. A few times at one of the local watering holes. My sister's HS Coach, Danielle Gallagher in the US Lacrosse Hall of Fame and was still paying for the national team at over 35 years old.

Joe

James, myself and one or two of his fraternity brothers created a pregame, game called MillCrateHead. We’d start off w a game of A-hole to get a buzz first, then we’d play MCH where one person puts an old school milk create on their head and the rest of us would fire empty beer bottles at him from a couch in the room. One at a time and the winner, who got 2 shots bought for them at the bar later, was the person who could take the most shots before bleeding (either a cut from those hard plastic crates or a bloody nose from a good middle shot).

I only met Nick a couple of times but James was an animal. We had some good times destroying Hobarts reputation with the local community back in the day!

Great story, that's amazing!

Will see if any of my friends are up for that game...

Joe

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:09 pm I quite agree that not hating DJT (or anyone else for that matter) doesn't necessarily make anyone a bad person. But certainly there's a stench that comes from defending, making common cause with, identifying with, etc any number of repugnant characters in our world...there's always the question as to why someone doesn't see the mass murderer as such, rather than defending them as say, 'just another person who sometimes does the wrong thing and people can get hurt from time to time'....

maybe i read this wrong and it's meant as a simile. but did you just call someone a mass murderer and call out defenders for being ignorant with that term as well?

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:39 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:09 pm I quite agree that not hating DJT (or anyone else for that matter) doesn't necessarily make anyone a bad person. But certainly there's a stench that comes from defending, making common cause with, identifying with, etc any number of repugnant characters in our world...there's always the question as to why someone doesn't see the mass murderer as such, rather than defending them as say, 'just another person who sometimes does the wrong thing and people can get hurt from time to time'....

maybe i read this wrong and it's meant as a simile. but did you just call someone a mass murderer and call out defenders for being ignorant with that term as well?

You read it wrong IMHO. How many times do we see the mass murderer's neighbors on TV saying "He was such a nice boy." Plenty of intelligent people get scammed or just don't see some heinous things for a variety of reasons. But then you go a step further and see people writing those mass murderers in jail, some idolizing them, some wanting to date and marry them (and some end up doing that).

In this case, we have a very large chunk of the population defending DJT when he is indefensible. Not caring about cheating on multiple wives, not caring about cheating in school, not caring about cheating on taxes, not caring about cheating hard working blue collar workers out of their contracts, not caring about cheating in golf, not caring about cheating a charity organization and cheating kids with cancer out of funds for personal gain. Not caring about dozens of rape and sexual assault accusations.

People are willfully ignorant, and more concerning they just don't care about how bad DJT is, and support him because the only thing he represents is being angry against the other side. That's the point - supporting someone who is an absolutely terrible human being.

holmes435 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:25 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:39 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:09 pm I quite agree that not hating DJT (or anyone else for that matter) doesn't necessarily make anyone a bad person. But certainly there's a stench that comes from defending, making common cause with, identifying with, etc any number of repugnant characters in our world...there's always the question as to why someone doesn't see the mass murderer as such, rather than defending them as say, 'just another person who sometimes does the wrong thing and people can get hurt from time to time'....

maybe i read this wrong and it's meant as a simile. but did you just call someone a mass murderer and call out defenders for being ignorant with that term as well?

You read it wrong IMHO. How many times do we see the mass murderer's neighbors on TV saying "He was such a nice boy." Plenty of intelligent people get scammed or just don't see some heinous things for a variety of reasons. But then you go a step further and see people writing those mass murderers in jail, some idolizing them, some wanting to date and marry them (and some end up doing that).

In this case, we have a very large chunk of the population defending DJT when he is indefensible. Not caring about cheating on multiple wives, not caring about cheating in school, not caring about cheating on taxes, not caring about cheating hard working blue collar workers out of their contracts, not caring about cheating in golf, not caring about cheating a charity organization and cheating kids with cancer out of funds for personal gain. Not caring about dozens of rape and sexual assault accusations.

People are willfully ignorant, and more concerning they just don't care about how bad DJT is, and support him because the only thing he represents is being angry against the other side. That's the point - supporting someone who is an absolutely terrible human being.

Holmes captures it correctly, and yes, it's indeed a simile. Mass murderer being the extreme example of a repugnant person. And yes, in my very strong opinion, Trump is a repugnant person. And yet so many don't care about the repugnancy. Excuse it, even are attracted to it.

If your question wgdsr is whether I see Trump as actually a 'mass murderer' in the traditional sense ala Bundy, Berkowitz, etc, the answer is no. If you're asking whether I see him as a political figure being responsible for the deaths of many, then yes...but not on the scale of evil as a Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot as I think the deaths caused by Trump were more about callous disregard and self-serving motivations than an actual thirst for killing perceived enemies. (not that I would trust him not to go there eventually...I do see him as a sociopath)

So, no, my intent was not to say that Trump is a mass murderer. Just a repugnant figure...grossly repugnant for all the reasons Holmes lists and more.

But Joe is correct, not hating Trump doesn't make one a bad person.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:59 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:13 am looks like shortly after my post, google search and the hill teamed up to put something out:
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5 ... culation=1

strange how a focus now on pushing shots through to as many as possible and a untried one dose regimen are being bandied about, but little to no discussion on cdc guides to have health and then frontline workers
included early. heard an entire health system getting vaxxed. including lab personnel who are backed by the right program (even if off-site) and undergrad nursing students who aren't patient facing.

and of congress will be able to vote safely.

Thanks for finding and sharing. Agree re little discussion of priorities...I'm still perplexed as to why they were working on vaccine distribution issues for many months yet seemed to not have clear recommendations about priorities, indeed no recommendations, until the very last moment...certainly doesn't engender confidence that either 1) the public health folks were in charge and/or 2) there wasn't political pressure from non-public health people.

It also disturbs me that, if the article is accurate, that for each vaccination distributed a second dose is being held back and not distributed. It's as if they have zero confidence that more doses are being produced and will be available. I understand some modeled reserve but 1:1 makes no sense to me absent a belief no more doses are being produced.

And am I correct that when they say the gov't is holding back the second doses, they mean the federal gov't is not shipping them to the states? Yet the federal gov't isn't tracking the individuals being vaccinated, the states are in charge of that...maybe? But the federal gov't isn't sending the states the second doses?

That sure sounds like a recipe for disaster.

tough to tell whether they had x scenarios already planned out, to be executed as results came in on trials and what was approved (i.e. if they weren't approved right away for elderly, some pre-existing conditions). or taking in as much info as possible to recommend knowing first batch could go nursing homes/health systems vs nursing home/over 75s.

anyway, i haven't seen whether they are shipping double doses at once and holding at the states or telling pfizer/moderna to hold in warehouse to ship 2nds. if it's the former especially or even the latter, there's an element of efficiency and resource management.

pushing that aside, the trade off here would seem to be 20+ million every other month (1/2 of potential recipients in months 1 and 3, for example) getting shots 3-4 weeks later vs. having a production issue that risks up to 40-50 million people not going on tested and approved protocol. science-wise, that could be a small issue or a potentially problematic one. so that might be a pretty large risk.

lipids were a problem getting out of the gate for pfizer. as well as other materials. so they had time to be ready relatively speaking and had trouble getting started. they just signed a lipid agreement in november. moderna has a similar process, has never coordinated a vaccine rollout. and each of these guys were needing it to be scaled and continuous. they don't have a supply chain history like coca-cola for this.
https://time.com/5917847/pfizer-cut-cov ... e-targets/
https://cen.acs.org/business/outsourcin ... nts/98/i44
https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspecu ... cb6da15c77
the other thing is delivery isn't supposed to ramp higher every month, it's supposed to be a relatively consistent level for months.

i suspect if/when we can be assured disruption chances are lower, we should be able to convert at any time to getting as many as possible first doses and then get 2nds delivered weeks out.

Shame on this doctor for telling the truth...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/walter-ree ... e-removed/

I appreciate the dialogue. And you're right, they may well have had lots of scenarios preplanned...they just didn't tell us about it, nor have since. Instead they came across as befuddled.

It just seems to me, assuming that what is being reported is accurate, a 1:1 holdback, that this is using a hammer on a screw. A modern logistics system would be able to flex with new information on production output, with variances built in to deal with risk. End to end data inputs and controls, with flex of release based on changes.

But we're not even hearing that the individuals vaccinated are being comprehensively tracked. Surely they are???

The Administration touted that the "military" would run the distribution and, thus, we should be assured of its efficiency...

It does seem to me that this should have been a federalized system of distribution with end to end controls in place into which various entities governmental, private, charitable etc could participate. In some senses, they had a long time to plan this. But it feels like they decided to punt this one also to the states...at about the same time as Trump was saying it was going to go away without the vaccine...?

But your point that this is a brand new supply chain and logistics challenge for the companies is clearly correct and important...but again, that's why this deserved a highly federalized approach. IMO.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:05 am I appreciate the dialogue. And you're right, they may well have had lots of scenarios preplanned...they just didn't tell us about it, nor have since. Instead they came across as befuddled.

It just seems to me, assuming that what is being reported is accurate, a 1:1 holdback, that this is using a hammer on a screw. A modern logistics system would be able to flex with new information on production output, with variances built in to deal with risk. End to end data inputs and controls, with flex of release based on changes.

But we're not even hearing that the individuals vaccinated are being comprehensively tracked. Surely they are???

The Administration touted that the "military" would run the distribution and, thus, we should be assured of its efficiency...

It does seem to me that this should have been a federalized system of distribution with end to end controls in place into which various entities governmental, private, charitable etc could participate. In some senses, they had a long time to plan this. But it feels like they decided to punt this one also to the states...at about the same time as Trump was saying it was going to go away without the vaccine...?

But your point that this is a brand new supply chain and logistics challenge for the companies is clearly correct and important...but again, that's why this deserved a highly federalized approach. IMO.

we are very early in the game. one hope is a lot of the same guys will be around after transition to use what they know and that new guys showing up will be able to add vs having to retrain. and the new guys will have beneficial ideas. personally i don't know what approach would work best. states have infrastructure and it would seem to me leveraging that makes sense if communication stays above the line you need.
federally, we couldn't even open up a website for obamacare out of the gate.
last week, pfizer vaxx went out @ 2 million (vs 5.9 million moderna). don't know why in toto but we're going to be short by year end even for the 20 million.
https://www.cnbc.com/id/106815883?view= ... idappshare
biden will evidently be riding in with more dpa
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/28/biden-w ... idappshare
hopefully we learn quick. we'll need to as we go from just having to deliver to health systems and nursing homes, to dialing it out many times that number of entities for "essential" workers and individuals over 75.

big potential issue on delays on top of that possible ish-show? people that don't post, or want their vaxx. so it sits there. how and when is that getting redistributed and how quickly? hope it doesn't spoil as they open the suitcases. buckle up.

Chinese journalist who documented Wuhan coronavirus outbreak jailed for 4 years

Luckily we aren't there... yet. Just firing people for speaking out and sending SWAT to raid their homes.





As an aside, does anyone have a good dashboard for vaccinations? Like daily stats or anything? I'm interested in following the rollout.