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Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:43 pm
by seacoaster
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:30 pm
seacoaster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:46 pm
From a CNN article:
"...Michael Flynn drew comparisons to Civil War battlefields and spoke of Americans who died for their country..."
Flynn wasn't at the Capitol. But he was certainly among the influential surrogates helping to whip the folks who did go to and into the Capitol into a frenzy. The root cause of the end of his military career was a conflict with his commander in chief, legally and overwhelmingly elected to be the commander in chief twice. Speaking truth to power does not require or demand the speaker to be an assh*le. No one drove Mike Flynn to anything. He is responsible for his current status as a disgraced criminal pardoned by a grifting, moronic, dirty President.
Did you purposely omit that Flynn spoke on 1/5 to a peaceful crowd of Evangelicals ? He did not speak on 1/6, when the mob formed & moved to the Capital after Trump's speech. Flynn had nothing to do with that. His group, Jericho March, had previously protested peacefully & held a rally on Dec 12.
Flynn was completely respectful of his Cin Obama in his public utterances while still on active duty.
You are (purposely ?) confusing what he said, when & why.
I haven't misspoken at all. I tire of your constant explanations for this putrid being. You are like parents I have known who explain around their child's misbehavior. He likened the post-election period to battles in which blood was shed in rivers. He gave us Sidney Powell; he participated in discussions of martial law; of elections being "rigged." His public persona does nothing other than damage the country to whom he swore an oath. Whatever service he gave to the country, he has vanquished its value with his deeds since.
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:53 pm
by old salt
seacoaster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:43 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:30 pm
seacoaster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:46 pm
From a CNN article:
"...Michael Flynn drew comparisons to Civil War battlefields and spoke of Americans who died for their country..."
Flynn wasn't at the Capitol. But he was certainly among the influential surrogates helping to whip the folks who did go to and into the Capitol into a frenzy. The root cause of the end of his military career was a conflict with his commander in chief, legally and overwhelmingly elected to be the commander in chief twice. Speaking truth to power does not require or demand the speaker to be an assh*le. No one drove Mike Flynn to anything. He is responsible for his current status as a disgraced criminal pardoned by a grifting, moronic, dirty President.
Did you purposely omit that Flynn spoke on 1/5 to a peaceful crowd of Evangelicals ? He did not speak on 1/6, when the mob formed & moved to the Capital after Trump's speech. Flynn had nothing to do with that. His group
Jericho March, had previously protested peacefully & held a rally on Dec 12.
Flynn was completely respectful of his Cin Obama in his public utterances while still on active duty.
You are (purposely ?) confusing what he said, when & why.
I haven't misspoken at all. I tire of your constant explanations for this putrid being. You are like parents I have known who explain around their child's misbehavior. He likened the post-election period to battles in which blood was shed in rivers. He gave us Sidney Powell; he participated in discussions of martial law; of elections being "rigged." His public persona does nothing other than damage the country to whom he swore an oath. Whatever service he gave to the country, he has vanquished its value with his deeds since.
Sidney Powell took up Flynn's cause & exposed how he was entrapped & framed. That's why the DoJ dropped the charges against him.
Flynn made it clear that he was not advocating martial law. It was never seriously considered. You need to look at what is on the record, not unnamed sources. You are trivializing the impact & value of what he did as a soldier because you disagree with him politically & because he is effective.
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:05 pm
by seacoaster
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:53 pm
seacoaster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:43 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:30 pm
seacoaster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:46 pm
From a CNN article:
"...Michael Flynn drew comparisons to Civil War battlefields and spoke of Americans who died for their country..."
Flynn wasn't at the Capitol. But he was certainly among the influential surrogates helping to whip the folks who did go to and into the Capitol into a frenzy. The root cause of the end of his military career was a conflict with his commander in chief, legally and overwhelmingly elected to be the commander in chief twice. Speaking truth to power does not require or demand the speaker to be an assh*le. No one drove Mike Flynn to anything. He is responsible for his current status as a disgraced criminal pardoned by a grifting, moronic, dirty President.
Did you purposely omit that Flynn spoke on 1/5 to a peaceful crowd of Evangelicals ? He did not speak on 1/6, when the mob formed & moved to the Capital after Trump's speech. Flynn had nothing to do with that. His group
Jericho March, had previously protested peacefully & held a rally on Dec 12.
Flynn was completely respectful of his Cin Obama in his public utterances while still on active duty.
You are (purposely ?) confusing what he said, when & why.
I haven't misspoken at all. I tire of your constant explanations for this putrid being. You are like parents I have known who explain around their child's misbehavior. He likened the post-election period to battles in which blood was shed in rivers. He gave us Sidney Powell; he participated in discussions of martial law; of elections being "rigged." His public persona does nothing other than damage the country to whom he swore an oath. Whatever service he gave to the country, he has vanquished its value with his deeds since.
Sidney Powell took up Flynn's cause & exposed how he was entrapped & framed. That's why the DoJ dropped the charges against him.
Flynn made it clear that he was not advocating martial law. It was never seriously considered. You need to look at what is on the record, not unnamed sources. You are trivializing the impact & value of what he did as a soldier because you disagree with him politically & because he is effective.
Again, this is your carefully curated view of the criminal Mike Flynn. He was not entrapped. He understood what he was doing. His "exoneration" by the DOJ was completely an exercise of political favor antithetical to public prosecutorial discretion. His pardon was an act of criminal conspiracy. Happy he gets to keep the taxpayer funded pension.
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:07 pm
by dislaxxic
That's Nonsense, Swampy. Goebbels did "effective" stuff as a military leader...you want to go on record about how he shouldn't be pilloried, because of that truth about his military record?
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Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:09 pm
by njbill
What was Mike Flynn’s alibi on January 6? Has anybody checked it out?
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:29 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:53 pm
seacoaster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:43 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:30 pm
seacoaster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:46 pm
From a CNN article:
"...Michael Flynn drew comparisons to Civil War battlefields and spoke of Americans who died for their country..."
Flynn wasn't at the Capitol. But he was certainly among the influential surrogates helping to whip the folks who did go to and into the Capitol into a frenzy. The root cause of the end of his military career was a conflict with his commander in chief, legally and overwhelmingly elected to be the commander in chief twice. Speaking truth to power does not require or demand the speaker to be an assh*le. No one drove Mike Flynn to anything. He is responsible for his current status as a disgraced criminal pardoned by a grifting, moronic, dirty President.
Did you purposely omit that Flynn spoke on 1/5 to a peaceful crowd of Evangelicals ? He did not speak on 1/6, when the mob formed & moved to the Capital after Trump's speech. Flynn had nothing to do with that. His group
Jericho March, had previously protested peacefully & held a rally on Dec 12.
Flynn was completely respectful of his Cin Obama in his public utterances while still on active duty.
You are (purposely ?) confusing what he said, when & why.
I haven't misspoken at all. I tire of your constant explanations for this putrid being. You are like parents I have known who explain around their child's misbehavior. He likened the post-election period to battles in which blood was shed in rivers. He gave us Sidney Powell; he participated in discussions of martial law; of elections being "rigged." His public persona does nothing other than damage the country to whom he swore an oath. Whatever service he gave to the country, he has vanquished its value with his deeds since.
Sidney Powell took up Flynn's cause & exposed how he was entrapped & framed.
That's why the DoJ dropped the charges against him.
Flynn made it clear that he was not advocating martial law. It was never seriously considered. You need to look at what is on the record, not unnamed sources. You are trivializing the impact & value of what he did as a soldier because you disagree with him politically & because he is effective.
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:38 pm
by old salt
Mrs C-in-C Biden reviews the troops ...in a parking garage.
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/i ... onal-guard
Why are NG troops still needed at the Capitol ? Don't the CP & DC Metro police have their act together yet ?
Keep enough DC, MD & VA riot control troops on recall & alert status in their nearby armories.
Send the rest home.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... te-garage/
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:13 pm
by holmes435
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:38 pmWhy are NG troops still needed at the Capitol ? Don't the CP & DC Metro police have their act together yet ?
Nice of her to go and thank them and take some cookies. With the family connection it feels infinitely more genuine than anything the past four years.
26,000 National Guard troops came to DC and protected the inauguration without incident. Now the drawdown begins
Looks like they're sending 15,000 of them home now, and they will continue to analyze things & maybe send the rest home starting as early as the end of next week.
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:24 pm
by youthathletics
Did they pull them out of the garage for the photo shoot?
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:46 pm
by old salt
Were 25k NG troops really necessary when they could not be adequately housed & ammo was only given to MP's & those who had civilian law enforcement experience ? The fact that they brought in troops from 54 state, territory, & DC NG units indicates that it was driven by ceremonial considerations rather than pure operational necessity, creating a super spreader situation at the height of the contagion.
No doubt, the troop presence provided a visible deterrent. Congressional leaders & the DC Mayor should have considered that when they objected to the visible presence of NG troops last summer. If we are going to rely on the NG this much for internal security in the future, the NG needs to be better equipped, trained & focused on that mission & political leaders need to do better using them & providing for them when called. Recall last summer when the DC Mayor caused NG troops to vacate their hotels after standing post all night. Now they're stuck in a parking garage. Thanks for your service, citizen soldiers. Fill out this form listing your social media so we can better vet your background check before your next drill period. Dismissed.
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:58 am
by old salt
Fascinating look from inside the Pentagon during the insurrection.
I hope the Congressional weenies call former Sec Def Miller to testify. He'll take no prisoners.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/01 ... -last-week
On the evening of January 5—the night before a white supremacist mob stormed Capitol Hill in a siege that would leave five dead—the acting secretary of defense, Christopher Miller, was at the White House with his chief of staff, Kash Patel. They were meeting with President Trump on “an Iran issue,” Miller told me. But then the conversation switched gears. The president, Miller recalled, asked how many troops the Pentagon planned to turn out the following day. “We’re like, ‘We’re going to provide any National Guard support that the District requests,’” Miller responded. “And [Trump] goes, ‘You’re going to need 10,000 people.’ No, I’m not talking nonsense. He said that. And we’re like, ‘Maybe. But you know, someone’s going to have to ask for it.’” At that point Miller remembered the president telling him, “‘You do what you need to do. You do what you need to do.’ He said, ‘You’re going to need 10,000.’ That’s what he said. Swear to God.”
..." The president’s sometimes hyperbolic, as you’ve noticed. There were gonna be a million people in the street, I think was his expectation.” Miller maintained that initial reports on the anticipated crowd size were all over the map—anywhere from 5,000 to 40,000. “Park Police—everybody’s so hesitant to give numbers. So I think that was what was driving the president.”
On the morning of January 6, as Miller recounted, he was hopeful that the day would prove uneventful. But decades in special operations and intelligence had honed his senses. “It was the first day I brought an overnight bag to work. My wife was like, ‘What are you doing there?’ I’m like, ‘I don’t know when I’m going to be home.’” To hear Patel tell it, they were on autopilot for most of the day: “We had talked to [the president] in person the day before, on the phone the day before, and two days before that. We were given clear instructions. We had all our authorizations. We didn’t need to talk to the president. I was talking to [Trump’s chief of staff, Mark] Meadows, nonstop that day.”
The security posture and response on January 6 did not occur in a vacuum. June 1, 2020, had been a perilous precedent. On that day federal police had expelled peaceful protesters from Lafayette Square to facilitate the president’s saunter over to St. John’s Church for a publicity stunt. But the brute force displayed to clear out the area proved a national embarrassment and allegedly influenced Washington mayor Muriel Bowser’s view, come January, about how the capital should be policed—and by whom. On the day before all hell broke loose on the Hill, she made it clear the D.C. police (MPD) would be running the show on the 6th, though 340 unarmed National Guard troops had been requested to help with traffic: “The District of Columbia is not requesting other federal law enforcement personnel and discourages any additional deployment without immediate notification to, and consultation with, MPD.”
Miller told me that when Trump made him head of the Pentagon, in November, “the bar was pretty low.” He had three goals. “No military coup, no major war, and no troops in the street,” before observing dryly, “The ‘no troops in the street’ thing changed dramatically about 14:30…. So that one’s off [the list].”
The day began with a lull. “We had meetings upon meetings. We were monitoring it. And we’re just like, Please, God, please, God. Then the damn TV pops up and everybody converges on my office: [Joint Chiefs of Staff] chairman [Mark Milley], Secretary of the Army [Ryan] McCarthy, the crew just converges.” And as intelligence started cycling in, things went from watch and see to “a current op.” Miller recalled, “We had already decided we’re going to need to activate the National Guard, and that’s where the fog and friction comes in.”
“The D.C. mayor finally said, ‘Okay, I need more,’” Kash Patel would tell me. “Then the Capitol police—a federal agency and the Secret Service made the request. We can support them under Title 10, Title 32 authorities for [the] National Guard. So [they] collectively started making requests, and we did it. And then we just went to work.”
What did Miller think of the criticism that the Pentagon had dragged its feet in sending in the cavalry? He bristled. “Oh, that is complete horseshit. I gotta tell you, I cannot wait to go to the Hill and have those conversations with senators and representatives.” While Miller confessed that he hadn’t yet emotionally processed the day’s events, he said, “I know when something doesn’t smell right, and I know when we’re covering our asses. Been there. I know for an absolute fact that historians are going to look…at the actions that we did on that day and go, ‘Those people had their game together.’”
Miller and Patel both insisted, in separate conversations, that they neither tried nor needed to contact the president on January 6; they had already gotten approval to deploy forces.
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:48 am
by CU88
A white man goes on a shooting spree
GOP: "That's his fault and his fault alone."
A self-described "Muslim" bombs a building
GOP: "That just goes to show you the big problem with Islam."
Trump incites a terrorist attack at the US Capitol
GOP: "We're all at fault."
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:55 am
by tech37
old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:58 am
Fascinating look from inside the Pentagon during the insurrection.
I hope the Congressional weenies call former Sec Def Miller to testify. He'll take no prisoners.
Indeed fascinating. Thanks for posting OS.
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:20 am
by MDlaxfan76
tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:55 am
old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:58 am
Fascinating look from inside the Pentagon during the insurrection.
I hope the Congressional weenies call former Sec Def Miller to testify. He'll take no prisoners.
Indeed fascinating. Thanks for posting OS.
Put him under oath...and the people on the call. Why didn't they say yes right away?
Or are we to believe Miller, who apparently wasn't on the call, that they did say yes right away?
Again, I hope that the DoD did everything in their power.
Miller's saying in that interview that Trump told him he'd need 10,000 and his people didn't have them stood up and ready to go?
Of course, the other side of Miller's discussion with Trump was his saying that Trump thought the protest would need troops in the streets...why? Because he expected the protestors to be violent? And then he's told they wouldn't be there...AND, KNOWING THIS he told the crowd to march to the Capitol !!!
Put Miller and Patel under oath.
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:34 am
by njbill
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:20 am
Of course, the other side of Miller's discussion with Trump was his saying that Trump thought the protest would need troops in the streets...why? Because he expected the protestors to be violent? And then he's told they wouldn't be there...AND, KNOWING THIS he told the crowd to march to the Capitol !!!
Bingo! We need an on-the-nose emoji.
One of the most damning pieces of evidence against T**** to date.
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:48 am
by cradleandshoot
njbill wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:09 pm
What was Mike Flynn’s alibi on January 6? Has anybody checked it out?
He was having a tryst with the queen of evil. Guess who was on top?
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:19 pm
by njbill
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:33 pm
by old salt
njbill wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:34 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:20 am
Of course, the other side of Miller's discussion with Trump was his saying that Trump thought the protest would need troops in the streets...why? Because he expected the protestors to be violent? And then he's told they wouldn't be there...AND, KNOWING THIS he told the crowd to march to the Capitol !!!
Bingo! We need an on-the-nose emoji.
One of the most damning pieces of evidence against T**** to date.
The Sec of the Army offered to activate an unlimited number of NG to the CP & DC Mayor in advance. They declined. It's the DC NG. Had they been activated without the DC Mayor's & CP's request, the critics (including the DC Mayor & Congressional Dems) would have accused Trump's of activating the NG to declare martial law to prevent the electoral votes from being recorded. Security of the Capitol & the streets around it are the responsibility of Congress & the DC govt. DoD did everything they were asked to do, offered to do more, & responded in a timely manner when requested.
As events proved, the NG were not needed to regain control, clear the Capitol & re-establish security. That was all CP & DC police & responding state & fed law enforcement personnel. 26,000 NG troops were brought in guard lamp posts & serve as props. Now 7,000 are stuck there until March to hype a supposed domestic terror threat & serve as props for the impeachment show trial. Meanwhile, the troops are crammed together & > 100 have contracted covid.
It's not Trump's fault that the DC Mayor & Congressional leadership declined his admin's offer & encouragement to activate more NG in advance.
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:49 pm
by Kismet
old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:33 pm
njbill wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:34 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:20 am
Of course, the other side of Miller's discussion with Trump was his saying that Trump thought the protest would need troops in the streets...why? Because he expected the protestors to be violent? And then he's told they wouldn't be there...AND, KNOWING THIS he told the crowd to march to the Capitol !!!
Bingo! We need an on-the-nose emoji.
One of the most damning pieces of evidence against T**** to date.
The Sec of the Army offered to activate an unlimited number of NG to the CP & DC Mayor in advance. They declined. It's the DC NG. Had they been activated without the DC Mayor's & CP's request, the critics (including the DC Mayor & Congressional Dems) would have accused Trump's of activating the NG to declare martial law to prevent the electoral votes from being recorded. Security of the Capitol & the streets around it are the responsibility of Congress & the DC govt. DoD did everything they were asked to do, offered to do more, & responded in a timely manner when requested.
As events proved, the NG were not needed to regain control, clear the Capitol & re-establish security. That was all CP & DC police & responding state & fed law enforcement personnel. 26,000 NG troops were brought in guard lamp posts & serve as props. Now 7,000 are stuck there until March to hype a supposed domestic terror threat & serve as props for the impeachment show trial. Meanwhile, the troops are crammed together & > 100 have contracted covid.
It's not Trump's fault that the DC Mayor & Congressional leadership declined his admin's offer & encouragement to activate more NG in advance.
You might want to read this interview with Miller
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/01 ... -last-week
It's not as simple as you make it (what else is new?)
Have to ask (and I bet so do the impeachment managers) why was DOPUS so sure that NG troops should be deployed in advance as if he knew something everyone else at the time didn't?
Re: CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:53 pm
by old salt
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:20 am
tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:55 am
old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:58 am
Fascinating look from inside the Pentagon during the insurrection.
I hope the Congressional weenies call former Sec Def Miller to testify. He'll take no prisoners.
Indeed fascinating. Thanks for posting OS.
Put him under oath...and the people on the call. Why didn't they say yes right away?
Let's put everybody under oath. They were not talking directly to the approving authority.
Or are we to believe Miller, who apparently wasn't on the call, that they did say yes right away?
They did not immediately commit. They were not authorized to approve. They were getting the info necessary to get apptoval
Again, I hope that the DoD did everything in their power.
...no you don't. You're looking for a scapegoat.
Miller's saying in that interview that Trump told him he'd need 10,000 and his people didn't have them stood up and ready to go?
Last time Trump activated the NG to protect the WH, you were among those accusing him of staging a coup.
Of course, the other side of Miller's discussion with Trump was his saying that Trump thought the protest would need troops in the streets...why? Because he expected the protestors to be violent? And then he's told they wouldn't be there...AND, KNOWING THIS he told the crowd to march to the Capitol !!!
...so now you're reading Trump's mind. He was giving Miller carte blance approval, in advance, to respond as necessary as to any requests for support.
Put Miller and Patel under oath.
I hope they do. They'll slaughter the show horses. Put the Sergeants at Arms, CP Chief, & committee chairs under oath & find out what guidance they received from the gang of 8 about the optics of NG troops in & around the Capitol.