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NAFTA 2.0 signed today -

Trump continued. "The USMCA is estimated to add another 1.2% to our GDP and create countless new American jobs 1/29/2020

“I think we are going to get an excess 50 basis points of additional growth in GDP as a result of this agreement.Mnuchin 12/19/19

Ross also told FOX Business’ Maria Bartiromo that China's commitment to purchase an additional $200 billion of U.S. products over the next two years will add about a half a percentage point of GDP growth. 1/12/2020

The U.S. International Trade Commission, a bipartisan agency whose review is required for any trade deal, said this spring that the new North American treaty would have a positive though modest impact on growth, boosting U.S. gross domestic product by 0.35% and adding 176,000 U.S. jobs over six years after it goes into effect.
12/11/2019

USMCA, Grassley noted, was expected to boost GDP growth by .03 percent to .04 percent and add 176,000 jobs. 1/22/2020

Republicans estimate that it will add .03 to .04 percent to GDP growth and create 176,000 new jobs. 1/29/2020

FOX BUSINESS: USMCA to Add $68.2B to US Economy, Spur 176K Jobs Says Key Independent Review Panel 04/23/2019

WASHINGTON EXAMINER: Trump USMCA would add $68B to GDP and 176,000 jobs, independent report says 04/26/2019
________________________________________________________________________________________

So either Trump didn't read the analysis or he is simply a liar. Or both!!

Wow. A little over 10K jobs per year.

Come on boys, where's the gloating over our "new" trade deal?

Where are all the claims that Trump is fundamentally changing our economy away from "globalism", and toward protecting American workers?

So much for all the economic claims about Trump made by so many posters at the forum.

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:42 pm Wow. A little over 10K jobs per year.

Come on boys, where's the gloating over our "new" trade deal?

Where are all the claims that Trump is fundamentally changing our economy away from "globalism", and toward protecting American workers?

So much for all the economic claims about Trump made by so many posters at the forum.

At least he is trying!

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:34 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:42 pm Wow. A little over 10K jobs per year.

Come on boys, where's the gloating over our "new" trade deal?

Where are all the claims that Trump is fundamentally changing our economy away from "globalism", and toward protecting American workers?

So much for all the economic claims about Trump made by so many posters at the forum.

At least he is trying!

There’s nothing quite so telling as folks who spike the football immediately after the opening kickoff.

The Dow is again up today, so far anyway. But who’s counting!

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:51 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:34 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:42 pm Wow. A little over 10K jobs per year.

Come on boys, where's the gloating over our "new" trade deal?

Where are all the claims that Trump is fundamentally changing our economy away from "globalism", and toward protecting American workers?

So much for all the economic claims about Trump made by so many posters at the forum.

At least he is trying!

There’s nothing quite so telling as folks who spike the football immediately after the opening kickoff.

The Dow is again up today, so far anyway. But who’s counting!

Maybe you can explain why Trump's GDP number, resulting from new NAFTA, is 3x+ higher than everyone else, including his own people.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:51 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:34 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:42 pm Wow. A little over 10K jobs per year.

Come on boys, where's the gloating over our "new" trade deal?

Where are all the claims that Trump is fundamentally changing our economy away from "globalism", and toward protecting American workers?

So much for all the economic claims about Trump made by so many posters at the forum.

At least he is trying!

There’s nothing quite so telling as folks who spike the football immediately after the opening kickoff.

The Dow is again up today, so far anyway. But who’s counting!

I gave him credit. He is trying.... you know, he needs everyone to stand up an clap when he uses the potty.

https://www.macrotrends.net/2481/stock- ... -president

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:51 pm There’s nothing quite so telling as folks who spike the football immediately after the opening kickoff.

So now you're telling us that at kickoff, you can't tell which sport is being played?

What Trump and FoxNation told us was that NAFTA was the worst deal ever. That Clinton's Globalism was bad, and was sticking it to the working class.

This new deal was SUPPOSED to change all that, on a truly fundamental level, and COMPLETELY change how we handle trade.....and protect American markets and workers.

What we are telling you is: this is CLEARLY not what happened. It's the same globalist path that favors the 1% over the American worker.

And of course, Trump is making the same claims about his "new" deal with China. This is plainly a big fat lie, and we're going to go right back to the same trade practices that harms the American worker.


That is what we're talking about here. But because you're too busy cheering for anything Trump, and too busy with your condescending remarks, you don't want to take even five seconds to think about what's happening with our trade.

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:47 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:51 pm There’s nothing quite so telling as folks who spike the football immediately after the opening kickoff.

So now you're telling us that at kickoff, you can't tell which sport is being played?

What Trump and FoxNation told us was that NAFTA was the worst deal ever. That Clinton's Globalism was bad, and was sticking it to the working class.

This new deal was SUPPOSED to change all that, on a truly fundamental level, and COMPLETELY change how we handle trade.....and protect American markets and workers.

What we are telling you is: this is CLEARLY not what happened. It's the same globalist path that favors the 1% over the American worker.

And of course, Trump is making the same claims about his "new" deal with China. This is plainly a big fat lie, and we're going to go right back to the same trade practices that harms the American worker.


That is what we're talking about here. But because you're too busy cheering for anything Trump, and too busy with your condescending remarks, you don't want to take even five seconds to think about what's happening with our trade.

So the point of your post was not that the Chinese trade deal was only’ going to add a net “10k jobs” per year, but rather that Trump ran as a populist and now promotes globalist trade deals? Well, if that was your point, you’re correct. Take a bow. This might surprise you but politicians often lie.

Anyway, like everything else in life, I prefer to wait a while before assigning scores to things as complicated as trade deals. The ink isn’t even dry.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:15 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:47 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:51 pm There’s nothing quite so telling as folks who spike the football immediately after the opening kickoff.

So now you're telling us that at kickoff, you can't tell which sport is being played?

What Trump and FoxNation told us was that NAFTA was the worst deal ever. That Clinton's Globalism was bad, and was sticking it to the working class.

This new deal was SUPPOSED to change all that, on a truly fundamental level, and COMPLETELY change how we handle trade.....and protect American markets and workers.

What we are telling you is: this is CLEARLY not what happened. It's the same globalist path that favors the 1% over the American worker.

And of course, Trump is making the same claims about his "new" deal with China. This is plainly a big fat lie, and we're going to go right back to the same trade practices that harms the American worker.


That is what we're talking about here. But because you're too busy cheering for anything Trump, and too busy with your condescending remarks, you don't want to take even five seconds to think about what's happening with our trade.

So the point of your post was not that the Chinese trade deal was only’ going to add a net “10k jobs” per year, but rather that Trump ran as a populist and now promotes globalist trade deals? Well, if that was your point, you’re correct. Take a bow. This might surprise you but politicians often lie.

Anyway, like everything else in life, I prefer to wait a while before assigning scores to things as complicated as trade deals. The ink isn’t even dry.

So based on what we know, you believe Trump is closer to the truth than all the other sources quoted?

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:15 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:47 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:51 pm There’s nothing quite so telling as folks who spike the football immediately after the opening kickoff.

So now you're telling us that at kickoff, you can't tell which sport is being played?

What Trump and FoxNation told us was that NAFTA was the worst deal ever. That Clinton's Globalism was bad, and was sticking it to the working class.

This new deal was SUPPOSED to change all that, on a truly fundamental level, and COMPLETELY change how we handle trade.....and protect American markets and workers.

What we are telling you is: this is CLEARLY not what happened. It's the same globalist path that favors the 1% over the American worker.

And of course, Trump is making the same claims about his "new" deal with China. This is plainly a big fat lie, and we're going to go right back to the same trade practices that harms the American worker.


That is what we're talking about here. But because you're too busy cheering for anything Trump, and too busy with your condescending remarks, you don't want to take even five seconds to think about what's happening with our trade.

So the point of your post was not that the Chinese trade deal was only’ going to add a net “10k jobs” per year, but rather that Trump ran as a populist and now promotes globalist trade deals? Well, if that was your point, you’re correct. Take a bow. This might surprise you but politicians often lie.

Anyway, like everything else in life, I prefer to wait a while before assigning scores to things as complicated as trade deals. The ink isn’t even dry.

So you are saying that you don't know and Trump is a liar? Gottcha.

foreverlax wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:36 pm NAFTA 2.0 signed today -

Trump continued. "The USMCA is estimated to add another 1.2% to our GDP and create countless new American jobs 1/29/2020

“I think we are going to get an excess 50 basis points of additional growth in GDP as a result of this agreement.Mnuchin 12/19/19

Ross also told FOX Business’ Maria Bartiromo that China's commitment to purchase an additional $200 billion of U.S. products over the next two years will add about a half a percentage point of GDP growth. 1/12/2020

The U.S. International Trade Commission, a bipartisan agency whose review is required for any trade deal, said this spring that the new North American treaty would have a positive though modest impact on growth, boosting U.S. gross domestic product by 0.35% and adding 176,000 U.S. jobs over six years after it goes into effect.
12/11/2019

USMCA, Grassley noted, was expected to boost GDP growth by .03 percent to .04 percent and add 176,000 jobs. 1/22/2020

Republicans estimate that it will add .03 to .04 percent to GDP growth and create 176,000 new jobs. 1/29/2020

FOX BUSINESS: USMCA to Add $68.2B to US Economy, Spur 176K Jobs Says Key Independent Review Panel 04/23/2019

WASHINGTON EXAMINER: Trump USMCA would add $68B to GDP and 176,000 jobs, independent report says 04/26/2019
________________________________________________________________________________________

So either Trump didn't read the analysis or he is simply a liar. Or both!!

No such thing as NAFTA 2.0, it's officially known as NAFTA 1.1.

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:54 pm

foreverlax wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:36 pm NAFTA 2.0 signed today -

Trump continued. "The USMCA is estimated to add another 1.2% to our GDP and create countless new American jobs 1/29/2020

“I think we are going to get an excess 50 basis points of additional growth in GDP as a result of this agreement.Mnuchin 12/19/19

Ross also told FOX Business’ Maria Bartiromo that China's commitment to purchase an additional $200 billion of U.S. products over the next two years will add about a half a percentage point of GDP growth. 1/12/2020

The U.S. International Trade Commission, a bipartisan agency whose review is required for any trade deal, said this spring that the new North American treaty would have a positive though modest impact on growth, boosting U.S. gross domestic product by 0.35% and adding 176,000 U.S. jobs over six years after it goes into effect.
12/11/2019

USMCA, Grassley noted, was expected to boost GDP growth by .03 percent to .04 percent and add 176,000 jobs. 1/22/2020

Republicans estimate that it will add .03 to .04 percent to GDP growth and create 176,000 new jobs. 1/29/2020

FOX BUSINESS: USMCA to Add $68.2B to US Economy, Spur 176K Jobs Says Key Independent Review Panel 04/23/2019

WASHINGTON EXAMINER: Trump USMCA would add $68B to GDP and 176,000 jobs, independent report says 04/26/2019
________________________________________________________________________________________

So either Trump didn't read the analysis or he is simply a liar. Or both!!

No such thing as NAFTA 2.0, it's officially known as NAFTA 1.1.

I told a friend earlier it was NAFTA 1.025

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:15 pm So the point of your post was not that the Chinese trade deal was only’ going to add a net “10k jobs” per year

That was only one point. And the 10K jobs referred to the new NAFTA.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:15 pm but rather that Trump ran as a populist and now promotes globalist trade deals? Well, if that was your point, you’re correct. Take a bow. This might surprise you but politicians often lie.

First of all, you told us in no uncertain terms that we can't criticize Trump, or call out his lies. If we do, we have syndrome.

Second of all, no, what I'm telling you is that Trump's economic policies are doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of what Trump, FoxNation, and TrumpFans are claiming. Sounds like you might have actually caught on to Trump's games. All he's doing is enriching the 1%, and damaging business like mine by pretending to take on China.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:15 pm Anyway, like everything else in life, I prefer to wait a while before assigning scores to things as complicated as trade deals. The ink isn’t even dry.

No. But if you signed a contract when buying a new home, and all the lender did was cross out the date from your last home contract, and right in today's date.....you'd have a pretty decent idea how the contract would work out, since you already worked under that "old contract", right?

By every single account, by every single source you can find, that's what this new NAFTA is. There are no material changes to the old NAFTA. It's all tweaks and tiny addendums that affect tiny pockets of business. The promised massive change to NAFTA simply isn't there.

And you'll find the same. exact. deal. with the new deal with China. All this pointless economic damage is for nothing. You don't get to wave all of that off with "politicians lie".

foreverlax wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:00 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:15 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:47 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:51 pm There’s nothing quite so telling as folks who spike the football immediately after the opening kickoff.

So now you're telling us that at kickoff, you can't tell which sport is being played?

What Trump and FoxNation told us was that NAFTA was the worst deal ever. That Clinton's Globalism was bad, and was sticking it to the working class.

This new deal was SUPPOSED to change all that, on a truly fundamental level, and COMPLETELY change how we handle trade.....and protect American markets and workers.

What we are telling you is: this is CLEARLY not what happened. It's the same globalist path that favors the 1% over the American worker.

And of course, Trump is making the same claims about his "new" deal with China. This is plainly a big fat lie, and we're going to go right back to the same trade practices that harms the American worker.


That is what we're talking about here. But because you're too busy cheering for anything Trump, and too busy with your condescending remarks, you don't want to take even five seconds to think about what's happening with our trade.

So the point of your post was not that the Chinese trade deal was only’ going to add a net “10k jobs” per year, but rather that Trump ran as a populist and now promotes globalist trade deals? Well, if that was your point, you’re correct. Take a bow. This might surprise you but politicians often lie.

Anyway, like everything else in life, I prefer to wait a while before assigning scores to things as complicated as trade deals. The ink isn’t even dry.

So you are saying that you don't know and Trump is a liar? Gottcha.

Do all Dem trolls use the same playbook on how to engage online? Has anyone ever noticed that they often use this tactic whereby they insert words in your mouth then ask you to defend what you did not say? 'so you are saying' says forever. TLD says 'so you believe,. defend that!'. Total Authoritarianism 101. Bury this anti-freedom philosophy once and for all folks, early November.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:21 am

foreverlax wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:00 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:15 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:47 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:51 pm There’s nothing quite so telling as folks who spike the football immediately after the opening kickoff.

So now you're telling us that at kickoff, you can't tell which sport is being played?

What Trump and FoxNation told us was that NAFTA was the worst deal ever. That Clinton's Globalism was bad, and was sticking it to the working class.

This new deal was SUPPOSED to change all that, on a truly fundamental level, and COMPLETELY change how we handle trade.....and protect American markets and workers.

What we are telling you is: this is CLEARLY not what happened. It's the same globalist path that favors the 1% over the American worker.

And of course, Trump is making the same claims about his "new" deal with China. This is plainly a big fat lie, and we're going to go right back to the same trade practices that harms the American worker.


That is what we're talking about here. But because you're too busy cheering for anything Trump, and too busy with your condescending remarks, you don't want to take even five seconds to think about what's happening with our trade.

So the point of your post was not that the Chinese trade deal was only’ going to add a net “10k jobs” per year, but rather that Trump ran as a populist and now promotes globalist trade deals? Well, if that was your point, you’re correct. Take a bow. This might surprise you but politicians often lie.

Anyway, like everything else in life, I prefer to wait a while before assigning scores to things as complicated as trade deals. The ink isn’t even dry.

So you are saying that you don't know and Trump is a liar? Gottcha.

Do all Dem trolls use the same playbook on how to engage online? Has anyone ever noticed that they often use this tactic whereby they insert words in your mouth then ask you to defend what you did not say? 'so you are saying' says forever. TLD says 'so you believe,. defend that!'. Total Authoritarianism 101. Bury this anti-freedom philosophy once and for all folks, early November.

Their troll narrative really is comparable. I think they all tune into Morning Joe to get their propaganda fix and then regurgitate it on this board

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:21 am

foreverlax wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:00 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:15 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:47 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:51 pm There’s nothing quite so telling as folks who spike the football immediately after the opening kickoff.

So now you're telling us that at kickoff, you can't tell which sport is being played?

What Trump and FoxNation told us was that NAFTA was the worst deal ever. That Clinton's Globalism was bad, and was sticking it to the working class.

This new deal was SUPPOSED to change all that, on a truly fundamental level, and COMPLETELY change how we handle trade.....and protect American markets and workers.

What we are telling you is: this is CLEARLY not what happened. It's the same globalist path that favors the 1% over the American worker.

And of course, Trump is making the same claims about his "new" deal with China. This is plainly a big fat lie, and we're going to go right back to the same trade practices that harms the American worker.


That is what we're talking about here. But because you're too busy cheering for anything Trump, and too busy with your condescending remarks, you don't want to take even five seconds to think about what's happening with our trade.

So the point of your post was not that the Chinese trade deal was only’ going to add a net “10k jobs” per year, but rather that Trump ran as a populist and now promotes globalist trade deals? Well, if that was your point, you’re correct. Take a bow. This might surprise you but politicians often lie.

Anyway, like everything else in life, I prefer to wait a while before assigning scores to things as complicated as trade deals. The ink isn’t even dry.

So you are saying that you don't know and Trump is a liar? Gottcha.

Do all Dem trolls use the same playbook on how to engage online? Has anyone ever noticed that they often use this tactic whereby they insert words in your mouth then ask you to defend what you did not say? 'so you are saying' says forever. TLD says 'so you believe,. defend that!'. Total Authoritarianism 101. Bury this anti-freedom philosophy once and for all folks, early November.

You said these words...

"politicians often lie"

"I prefer to wait"

I asked you a question why Trump misrepresented the impact of the new NAFTA...What did I miss?

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:21 am

foreverlax wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:00 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:15 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:47 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:51 pm There’s nothing quite so telling as folks who spike the football immediately after the opening kickoff.

So now you're telling us that at kickoff, you can't tell which sport is being played?

What Trump and FoxNation told us was that NAFTA was the worst deal ever. That Clinton's Globalism was bad, and was sticking it to the working class.

This new deal was SUPPOSED to change all that, on a truly fundamental level, and COMPLETELY change how we handle trade.....and protect American markets and workers.

What we are telling you is: this is CLEARLY not what happened. It's the same globalist path that favors the 1% over the American worker.

And of course, Trump is making the same claims about his "new" deal with China. This is plainly a big fat lie, and we're going to go right back to the same trade practices that harms the American worker.


That is what we're talking about here. But because you're too busy cheering for anything Trump, and too busy with your condescending remarks, you don't want to take even five seconds to think about what's happening with our trade.

So the point of your post was not that the Chinese trade deal was only’ going to add a net “10k jobs” per year, but rather that Trump ran as a populist and now promotes globalist trade deals? Well, if that was your point, you’re correct. Take a bow. This might surprise you but politicians often lie.

Anyway, like everything else in life, I prefer to wait a while before assigning scores to things as complicated as trade deals. The ink isn’t even dry.

So you are saying that you don't know and Trump is a liar? Gottcha.

Do all Dem trolls use the same playbook on how to engage online? Has anyone ever noticed that they often use this tactic whereby they insert words in your mouth then ask you to defend what you did not say? 'so you are saying' says forever. TLD says 'so you believe,. defend that!'. Total Authoritarianism 101. Bury this anti-freedom philosophy once and for all folks, early November.

Authoritarianism?
He asked whether that's what you meant when you danced and twisted yourself into knots to not address the prior string of questions about stated facts, the clear evidence that Trump said something baldfacedly untrue. You demurred from addressing that reality and said you "prefer to wait" and "the ink isn't even dry".

In other words Seig Heil Der Leader.

That's what happens in authoritarianism, the unwillingness to question Der Leader, to directly address lies.

tech37 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:26 am Their troll narrative really is comparable. I think they all tune into Morning Joe to get their propaganda fix and then regurgitate it on this board

Who?

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:29 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:26 am Their troll narrative really is comparable. I think they all tune into Morning Joe to get their propaganda fix and then regurgitate it on this board

Who?

You know, that action figure you keep on your desk at work