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DMac wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:40 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:38 am

DMac wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 8:58 am Trans prisoners, something that should be high on all of our lists of concerns.

Who brought it up? What was the agenda?

Look up the thread a little bit.

I know but it was someone’s who’s argue they shouldn’t be a focus I believe and yet thrown up here which may feed into the “it’s getting into your feed not by the pro LGBTQ advocates but those who want these topics enflame and incite” folks.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:11 am

DMac wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 8:58 am Trans prisoners, something that should be high on all of our lists of concerns.

DMac, that's what I found when googling trying to find data on trans people in jail...I eventually found what the jerk in the clip was claiming and its refutation.

But I'd never heard about the issue of where trans women are placed in jail...not "shoved down our throats"....not something "high on all of of our lists of concerns"...

High on the list of concerns of trans people in jail though. Serious issue for them, right? For our prison system?

But hey, if we added up all the assaults on trans people for being trans versus the assaults by trans people on non trans...what do you think the proportion would be?

After all, these folks in town meetings seem to think that trans are a huge assault threat that we should all get very worked up about...

Yup, apparently a serious issue for them with a simple solution, stay out of jail.
The trans road is tough enough to travel, be smart enough to avoid the roughest roads and hazards.
This doesn't make it on my list of concerns, frankly it's on my WGAS list.

DMac wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:47 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:11 am

DMac wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 8:58 am Trans prisoners, something that should be high on all of our lists of concerns.

DMac, that's what I found when googling trying to find data on trans people in jail...I eventually found what the jerk in the clip was claiming and its refutation.

But I'd never heard about the issue of where trans women are placed in jail...not "shoved down our throats"....not something "high on all of of our lists of concerns"...

High on the list of concerns of trans people in jail though. Serious issue for them, right? For our prison system?

But hey, if we added up all the assaults on trans people for being trans versus the assaults by trans people on non trans...what do you think the proportion would be?

After all, these folks in town meetings seem to think that trans are a huge assault threat that we should all get very worked up about...

Yup, apparently a serious issue for them with a simple solution, stay out of jail.
The trans road is tough enough to travel, be smart enough to avoid the roughest roads and hazards.
This doesn't make it on my list of concerns, frankly it's on my WGAS list.

Not sure who you might think would want it to be on your list at all.
I'm assuming you aren't in the prison management business, probably rarely think about prison and incarceration issues at all, nor should you really have to do so other than perhaps electing people who will appoint professional, humane management focused on rehabilitation...or not...or perhaps looking at why we incarcerate so many people here in America, particularly imbalanced to poor people...

The dismissive tone you are choosing to take, however, is your own immediate responsibility.

After all, you are choosing to participate in a thread, "The Hate Directed at LGBTQ+"...with a WGAS response.
If you don't give a...no need to participate, really...unless your intent is to express that tone.

To be clear, I only mentioned this specific issue because its what came up in google searching for data on trans people in jail...I was looking for why they are in jail as opposed to everyone else, and the claim this a-hole was making that simply didn't sound accurate to me.

Pulling back from those in jail in specific, removing the assaults from them in specific, I repeat the general question as to the proportion of assaults on trans people for being trans and those perpetrated by trans people...

Any takers on what that might be?
This a-hole, and many like him, are claiming that they are in fear of assaults by trans people...

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:11 am
High on the list of concerns of trans people in jail though. Serious issue for them, right? For our prison system?

But hey, if we added up all the assaults on trans people for being trans versus the assaults by trans people on non trans...what do you think the proportion would be?

After all, these folks in town meetings seem to think that trans are a huge assault threat that we should all get very worked up about...

Add more to the list of questions....how many of that same cohort brought the issues upon themselves.

Your implication that is that these people voicing concern are arguing it is a HUGE assault threat (your words), I think what many are voicing is that it is merely introducing yet another situation that really does not need to be there in the first place.....remember, this is school we are talking about. Your words can be viewed much like the guy you called an a-hole, (still perplexed why you like to call people names)....you just come from the other angle. No need to call people names. Double down on name calling in 3,2,.....

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 12:13 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:11 am
High on the list of concerns of trans people in jail though. Serious issue for them, right? For our prison system?

But hey, if we added up all the assaults on trans people for being trans versus the assaults by trans people on non trans...what do you think the proportion would be?

After all, these folks in town meetings seem to think that trans are a huge assault threat that we should all get very worked up about...

Add more to the list of questions....how many of that same cohort brought the issues upon themselves.

Your implication that is that these people voicing concern are arguing it is a HUGE assault threat (your words), I think what many are voicing is that it is merely introducing yet another situation that really does not need to be there in the first place.....remember, this is school we are talking about. Your words can be viewed much like the guy you called an a-hole, (still perplexed why you like to call people names)....you just come from the other angle. No need to call people names. Double down on name calling in 3,2,.....

Yikes, they were just asking for it?

Brought it on themselves???

Yes, but not my words, their words...do you see how inflamed he is?
And yeah, I think someone making phony unsubstantiated claims to drive an ideological argument can be classified as an a-hole. But of course, that's just my view of that behavior, for someone else he may be a hero...

"does not need to be there in the first place"...you think these folks' feelings and identity are a choice, they should just swallow them, shut up, stay in the closet? The problem is them?

Instead of screaming about this in fear, how about we address the issue in another way, like they do quite a lot in Europe, with individual bathrooms that are gender neutral? Private, first come first serve. Also has the benefit of efficiency of usage flow through. Cameras on ingress and egress points to prevent bullying or other sexual assault.

This is an issue being driven by right wing media, politicians and grifters...it's all about the newest way to stoke fear among those scared about the "nuclear family" and the current social structure...long history of such fear mongering, one issue after another. Get people afraid and angry. Exaggerate and inflame.

I see you didn't take a guess at the proportion...

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 4:08 pm Instead of screaming about this in fear, how about we address the issue in another way, like they do quite a lot in Europe, with individual bathrooms that are gender neutral? Private, first come first serve. Also has the benefit of efficiency of usage flow through. Cameras on ingress and egress points to prevent bullying or other sexual assault.

This. Pretending to fix problems using anger is inefficient.

Come to these folks with: "how do we find a solution".

The anger is a tell for what the actual "problem" is. And that's obviously "' I want to make the gays go away".

If, as so many here claim, folks truly accept the folks in this community? It ain't all that hard to work together to come up with solutions.

I've given mine on the sports complaints many times now.

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 4:16 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 4:08 pm Instead of screaming about this in fear, how about we address the issue in another way, like they do quite a lot in Europe, with individual bathrooms that are gender neutral? Private, first come first serve. Also has the benefit of efficiency of usage flow through. Cameras on ingress and egress points to prevent bullying or other sexual assault.

This. Pretending to fix problems using anger is inefficient.

Come to these folks with: "how do we find a solution".

The anger is a tell for what the actual "problem" is. And that's obviously "' I want to make the gays go away".

If, as so many here claim, folks truly accept the folks in this community? It ain't all that hard to work together to come up with solutions.

I've given mine on the sports complaints many times now.

I may not understand the LGBTQ community. My wife spent 6 months serving them as an RN and never had a clue in the clinic she worked in. For this old guy let them live their lives and find the happiness many of them have searched for their whole lives. It is the simplest yet most profound phrase I can think of... Live an Let Live. It works every time it is tried.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 4:08 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 12:13 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:11 am
High on the list of concerns of trans people in jail though. Serious issue for them, right? For our prison system?

But hey, if we added up all the assaults on trans people for being trans versus the assaults by trans people on non trans...what do you think the proportion would be?

After all, these folks in town meetings seem to think that trans are a huge assault threat that we should all get very worked up about...

Add more to the list of questions....how many of that same cohort brought the issues upon themselves.

Your implication that is that these people voicing concern are arguing it is a HUGE assault threat (your words), I think what many are voicing is that it is merely introducing yet another situation that really does not need to be there in the first place.....remember, this is school we are talking about. Your words can be viewed much like the guy you called an a-hole, (still perplexed why you like to call people names)....you just come from the other angle. No need to call people names. Double down on name calling in 3,2,.....

Yikes, they were just asking for it?

Brought it on themselves???

Yes, but not my words, their words...do you see how inflamed he is?
And yeah, I think someone making phony unsubstantiated claims to drive an ideological argument can be classified as an a-hole. But of course, that's just my view of that behavior, for someone else he may be a hero...

"does not need to be there in the first place"...you think these folks' feelings and identity are a choice, they should just swallow them, shut up, stay in the closet? The problem is them?

Instead of screaming about this in fear, how about we address the issue in another way, like they do quite a lot in Europe, with individual bathrooms that are gender neutral? Private, first come first serve. Also has the benefit of efficiency of usage flow through. Cameras on ingress and egress points to prevent bullying or other sexual assault.

This is an issue being driven by right wing media, politicians and grifters...it's all about the newest way to stoke fear among those scared about the "nuclear family" and the current social structure...long history of such fear mongering, one issue after another. Get people afraid and angry. Exaggerate and inflame.

I see you didn't take a guess at the proportion...

Yikes is right, the fact you think being trangender LGBTQ+ voids one of inciting crime....laughable.

Are your pearls warm from clutching them so tightly... No one is screaming in fear.....out of concern, yes. Yea, let's build new bathrooms in every school.....that is just crazy talk, especially when we are being told its such a small number.

The entire point, like with most everything, there are already plenty of avenues in place for support....but in good ole politics, let's create a problem where there really is not one, then claim we have the fix, just to get money and votes flowing in our favor.

The part you can not seem to understand or refuse to acknowledge, is that these concerned parents that ARE involved and speaking out, know very well how impressionable a young child's mind is, how it is not fully developed until early 20's and while they are at school, they already know there is plenty that is not shared with them......why compound the problem. Just look at the thread with afan and tech, school counselors already have this buttoned up. Do they still require a parents acknowledgment to take sex education? yes they do. You see, parents are very tolerant, trusting, AND concerned.

The entire point, like with most everything, there are already plenty of avenues in place for support....but in good ole politics, let's create a problem where there really is not one, then claim we have the fix, just to get money and votes flowing in our favor.

I'll take a guess when you stop calling people names.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 4:33 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 4:16 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 4:08 pm Instead of screaming about this in fear, how about we address the issue in another way, like they do quite a lot in Europe, with individual bathrooms that are gender neutral? Private, first come first serve. Also has the benefit of efficiency of usage flow through. Cameras on ingress and egress points to prevent bullying or other sexual assault.

This. Pretending to fix problems using anger is inefficient.

Come to these folks with: "how do we find a solution".

The anger is a tell for what the actual "problem" is. And that's obviously "' I want to make the gays go away".

If, as so many here claim, folks truly accept the folks in this community? It ain't all that hard to work together to come up with solutions.

I've given mine on the sports complaints many times now.

I may not understand the LGBTQ community. My wife spent 6 months serving them as an RN and never had a clue in the clinic she worked in. For this old guy let them live their lives and find the happiness many of them have searched for their whole lives. It is the simplest yet most profound phrase I can think of... Live an Let Live. It works every time it is tried.

Yes.....to both of you in bold. It really is that simple. And as I noted back to MD, I do believe it more out of concern.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 4:39 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 4:08 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 12:13 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:11 am
High on the list of concerns of trans people in jail though. Serious issue for them, right? For our prison system?

But hey, if we added up all the assaults on trans people for being trans versus the assaults by trans people on non trans...what do you think the proportion would be?

After all, these folks in town meetings seem to think that trans are a huge assault threat that we should all get very worked up about...

Add more to the list of questions....how many of that same cohort brought the issues upon themselves.

Your implication that is that these people voicing concern are arguing it is a HUGE assault threat (your words), I think what many are voicing is that it is merely introducing yet another situation that really does not need to be there in the first place.....remember, this is school we are talking about. Your words can be viewed much like the guy you called an a-hole, (still perplexed why you like to call people names)....you just come from the other angle. No need to call people names. Double down on name calling in 3,2,.....

Yikes, they were just asking for it?

Brought it on themselves???

Yes, but not my words, their words...do you see how inflamed he is?
And yeah, I think someone making phony unsubstantiated claims to drive an ideological argument can be classified as an a-hole. But of course, that's just my view of that behavior, for someone else he may be a hero...

"does not need to be there in the first place"...you think these folks' feelings and identity are a choice, they should just swallow them, shut up, stay in the closet? The problem is them?

Instead of screaming about this in fear, how about we address the issue in another way, like they do quite a lot in Europe, with individual bathrooms that are gender neutral? Private, first come first serve. Also has the benefit of efficiency of usage flow through. Cameras on ingress and egress points to prevent bullying or other sexual assault.

This is an issue being driven by right wing media, politicians and grifters...it's all about the newest way to stoke fear among those scared about the "nuclear family" and the current social structure...long history of such fear mongering, one issue after another. Get people afraid and angry. Exaggerate and inflame.

I see you didn't take a guess at the proportion...

Yikes is right, the fact you think being trangender LGBTQ+ voids one of inciting crime....laughable.

Are your pearls warm from clutching them so tightly... No one is screaming in fear.....out of concern, yes. Yea, let's build new bathrooms in every school.....that is just crazy talk, especially when we are being told its such a small number.

The entire point, like with most everything, there are already plenty of avenues in place for support....but in good ole politics, let's create a problem where there really is not one, then claim we have the fix, just to get money and votes flowing in our favor.

The part you can not seem to understand or refuse to acknowledge, is that these concerned parents that ARE involved and speaking out, know very well how impressionable a young child's mind is, how it is not fully developed until early 20's and while they are at school, they already know there is plenty that is not shared with them......why compound the problem. Just look at the thread with afan and tech, school counselors already have this buttoned up. Do they still require a parents acknowledgment to take sex education? yes they do. You see, parents are very tolerant, trusting, AND concerned.

The entire point, like with most everything, there are already plenty of avenues in place for support....but in good ole politics, let's create a problem where there really is not one, then claim we have the fix, just to get money and votes flowing in our favor.

I'll take a guess when you stop calling people names.

when hell freezes over?

Did you watch this a-hole make claims that aren't supported in fact?
Do you think that's merely "concern"...concern about what? what he's been told by right wing grifters who WANT him to be "concerned" for their own ends...did he "do his own research" on the internet, believe what his QAnon feed told him? Is citing phony data just "concern"?

Sure, he's a human being and should be treated with a modicum of respect and maybe even some tolerance, after all he's "concerned" ...but he's responsible for what he says, how he acts, and this is a-hole behavior in my book.

I certainly think that "concerned" parents should meet with teachers, listen to the educators, and most importantly build trust with their children. As a fan points out, tech is clearly such a parent. But he also points out that lots aren't, and lots don't build that trust with their children. Sure, many parents are: "very tolerant, trusting, AND concerned." But others are intolerant, untrusting and inflamed. And the grifters are egging them on for political and financial benefit.

Perhaps you should go back and read that exchange again...and no, they don't have this "buttoned up", angry, fearful, inflamed people are going to school board meetings and screaming at the teachers and administrators, demanding "parents' right", the heck with the consequences.

And no, there's no need for special bathroom accommodations just for trans...the way they build bathrooms in Europe in public places now have individual stalls, any gender can use. First come first serve. Everyone benefits, everyone has privacy, everyone is protected. And yes, they're going back and re-engineering the bathrooms to do so. Makes a heck of a lot of sense.

And no, of course one's gender should have nothing to do with the crime sentence...but it also shouldn't have different realities doing the time.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 4:43 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 4:33 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 4:16 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 4:08 pm Instead of screaming about this in fear, how about we address the issue in another way, like they do quite a lot in Europe, with individual bathrooms that are gender neutral? Private, first come first serve. Also has the benefit of efficiency of usage flow through. Cameras on ingress and egress points to prevent bullying or other sexual assault.

This. Pretending to fix problems using anger is inefficient.

Come to these folks with: "how do we find a solution".

The anger is a tell for what the actual "problem" is. And that's obviously "' I want to make the gays go away".

If, as so many here claim, folks truly accept the folks in this community? It ain't all that hard to work together to come up with solutions.

I've given mine on the sports complaints many times now.

I may not understand the LGBTQ community. My wife spent 6 months serving them as an RN and never had a clue in the clinic she worked in. For this old guy let them live their lives and find the happiness many of them have searched for their whole lives. It is the simplest yet most profound phrase I can think of... Live an Let Live. It works every time it is tried.

Yes.....to both of you in bold. It really is that simple. And as I noted back to MD, I do believe it more out of concern.

Is that what you think that guy (he is a guy, right, that's not calling him "names"?) is advocating "live and let live"???

cradle's right on this one, let's act humanely to one another and expect the same in return...

Interesting item in today's democraticunderground:



Today in Gay History: Thank a gay man for your freedom!


Two hundred forty years ago today, the thirteen British colonies in what we now call the United States of America had gotten so fed up with the way the Crown was treating them, they wrote a nice little letter to the King telling him his presence here was no longer required.

The King was not amused.

In the war that shortly followed, the Colonists were getting their butts kicked not only by the well-trained British troops the King sent to bring us back in line but by themselves. They couldn't fight, and their camp sanitation was terrible. Dysentery killed nearly as many Colonial soldiers as the British did.

General Washington knew if he didn't do something the Colonies would remain at the end of the British supply lines and he'd find himself at the end of a rope. What to do? Yes, of course: find someone who actually knew how to fight and get him in here to straighten out this unruly mob.

Washington knew of a great general, the Baron von Steuben.

Europe knew about this guy too: he'd been run out of every decent country on the Continent for being very gay, and he was about to be executed for it. The colonists cut a deal with them: let him go, give him to us and you'll never see him again. They were okay with that.

Von Steuben came to the United States and freaked out about how bad Washington's army was. They were even doing stupid turd like putting latrines next to the mess hall. Von Steuben wrote "Regulations for the Order and Discipline of the Troops of the United States," which became known as the Blue Book and was used until 1812. He organized a company of 100 men to serve as trainers for the rest of the Army. And he fixed the latrine situation right away. Under his guidance the Army turned itself around.

After the war, the new nation was so grateful they gave him an estate where he could farm and be as gay as he wanted.

So while you're celebrating your freedom today give a thought to the gay man who made it possible.





https://www.history.com/news/openly-gay ... on-steuben





A reply post indicates that Pulaski was the same.

.... Pulaski wasn't gay. He was a she based on exhumation of the body and examination in the 1990s. Considered inter-sex. Closer to transgender than gay. Often referred to as the "Father of the American Cavalry".

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 4:58 pm .... Pulaski wasn't gay. He was a she based on exhumation of the body and examination in the 1990s. Considered inter-sex. Closer to transgender than gay. Often referred to as the "Father of the American Cavalry".

If you have links to historical writings on this topic, please post them on the newly created American History thread. This should make for very interesting reading.

Up to now I must confess that I had not considered the matter of gay Founders or of others in pre-Revolutionary colonial life. But for those who know the subject, let's see some info posted for what should be a very revelatory discussion.

Smithsonian Magazine Article re Pulaski.

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 6:11 pm Smithsonian Magazine Article re Pulaski.

From the History thread:

Re: American History
post by jhu72 » Wed Jul 05, 2023 5:15 pm

American War Hero, Casimir Pulaski - Father of the American Cavalry was Intersex / Transgender.

Intersex-transgender. Do you see those as being synonymous?
I see his only fatherhood was that of the Cavalry, never married, fathered no children (or mothered ).

DMac wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 8:14 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 6:11 pm Smithsonian Magazine Article re Pulaski.

From the History thread:

Re: American History
post by jhu72 » Wed Jul 05, 2023 5:15 pm

American War Hero, Casimir Pulaski - Father of the American Cavalry was Intersex / Transgender.

Intersex-transgender. Do you see those as being synonymous?
I see his only fatherhood was that of the Cavalry, never married, fathered no children (or mothered ).

They're not synonymous, no. Intersex generally refers to a person having physical characteristics / development of both genders. Like that female sprinter who had female genitals but also internal testes. And a higher testosterone level as a result.

Transgender generally means someone's brain has developed one way while their body developed the other way. The current treatment is to alter their body to match their brain since we can't alter the brain to match the body (yet).

Intersex people can certainly be transgender. Depends what their brain developed into and what they look like (male, female, androgynous, etc). Or let's say a doctor or parent made a decision at birth to have certain surgeries done. Or the parents raised the kid as one gender when they're actually the other (or neither or both).

Intersex people are often infertile. Nature constantly shows us things are rarely binary or black and white.

Yup, didn't/don't think transgender belonged in that title.

DMac wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 10:27 pm Yup, didn't/don't think transgender belonged in that title.

Should have inserted “and possibly” after intersex.

DMac wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 10:27 pm Yup, didn't/don't think transgender belonged in that title.

... we don't know. Another genetic test looking for the specific genes could answer the question in the future. What we know is he saw himself as a man and he had some girlish physical characteristics.