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Posted: **Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:38 pm**

Birx to retire after she gets heat for her doing what was advised not to do. By Felicia! https://nypost.com/2020/12/22/dr-debora ... ssion=true

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:44 am**

Germany trying to copy us, we were told they were smarter....send masks.

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:57 am**

youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:44 am Germany trying to copy us, we were told they were smarter....send masks.

Did you look at the graph before you added your comment?

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:12 am**

seacoaster wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:57 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:44 am Germany trying to copy us, we were told they were smarter....send masks.

Did you look at the graph before you added your comment?

Yes. I also saw the source is JHU, figured if I was gonna get shot with friendly fire (expected), they could go down with me.

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:53 am**

Germany has 1/3 the deaths per million pop so far as the USA.

However, it indeed has a steep slope as do we in the current surge. But they have a long, long way to go to catch up to us in deaths per million pop.

Yes, we'd rather have had Germany's experience.

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:16 am**

holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:37 pm UF's Keyontae Johnson (BBall) diagnosed with season ending heart condition

Hopefully this isn't a long term issue, and wish him all the best. I wonder if we see more of this, if we also don't see a lot of lawsuits. I don't know where to draw the line, but a lot of these kids in BBall and FBall are being pushed to play games and keep seasons going for what seems to be $$$ reasons. Essentially becoming essential personnel for schools bottom lines.

I want everything back to normal, but with so many unknown unknowns, I'd be very hesitant putting my kids out there if I were a college coach or assistant.

"The heart inflammation, called myocarditis, has various causes, most commonly viral infections"
While Johnson’s acute myocarditis can’t be definitively linked to his COVID diagnosis

The above are both very important in the context of this article, this HAPPENS with MANY viral infections of which CV-19 falls into the family of. It could have happened any year to any player and it has happened in the past when CV-19 did NOT EXIST. I cannot say that enough, CV-19 is not the first or the last viral infection that in rare cases can cause Myocarditis, which usually heals on its own with rest and recovery. I would be shocked if Keyontae is not back playing for UF next season just as Al Blades Jr will be playing CB for the CANES and it is already confirmed that Eduardo Rodriguez is pitching for Boston. Red Sox would not have paid $8 million for pitcher who is NOT HEALED from this condition.

Joe

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:25 am**

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:16 am
holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:37 pm UF's Keyontae Johnson (BBall) diagnosed with season ending heart condition

Hopefully this isn't a long term issue, and wish him all the best. I wonder if we see more of this, if we also don't see a lot of lawsuits. I don't know where to draw the line, but a lot of these kids in BBall and FBall are being pushed to play games and keep seasons going for what seems to be $$$ reasons. Essentially becoming essential personnel for schools bottom lines.

I want everything back to normal, but with so many unknown unknowns, I'd be very hesitant putting my kids out there if I were a college coach or assistant.

"The heart inflammation, called myocarditis, has various causes, most commonly viral infections"
While Johnson’s acute myocarditis can’t be definitively linked to his COVID diagnosis

The above are both very important in the context of this article, this HAPPENS with MANY viral infections of which CV-19 falls into the family of. It could have happened any year to any player and it has happened in the past when CV-19 did NOT EXIST. I cannot say that enough, CV-19 is not the first or the last viral infection that in rare cases can cause Myocarditis, which usually heals on its own with rest and recovery. I would be shocked if Keyontae is not back playing for UF next season just as Al Blades Jr will be playing CB for the CANES and it is already confirmed that Eduardo Rodriguez is pitching for Boston. Red Sox would not have paid $8 million for pitcher who is NOT HEALED from this condition.

Joe

Well, Joe, you're indeed reliable with your opinion. And let's hope you're correct that there won't be significant long term damage effects from Covid exposure for the players, any greater incidence of such from the decision to have these sports go forward. But, at least IMO, it's far from a certainty either way.

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:08 am**

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:25 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:16 am
holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:37 pm UF's Keyontae Johnson (BBall) diagnosed with season ending heart condition

Hopefully this isn't a long term issue, and wish him all the best. I wonder if we see more of this, if we also don't see a lot of lawsuits. I don't know where to draw the line, but a lot of these kids in BBall and FBall are being pushed to play games and keep seasons going for what seems to be $$$ reasons. Essentially becoming essential personnel for schools bottom lines.

I want everything back to normal, but with so many unknown unknowns, I'd be very hesitant putting my kids out there if I were a college coach or assistant.

"The heart inflammation, called myocarditis, has various causes, most commonly viral infections"
While Johnson’s acute myocarditis can’t be definitively linked to his COVID diagnosis

The above are both very important in the context of this article, this HAPPENS with MANY viral infections of which CV-19 falls into the family of. It could have happened any year to any player and it has happened in the past when CV-19 did NOT EXIST. I cannot say that enough, CV-19 is not the first or the last viral infection that in rare cases can cause Myocarditis, which usually heals on its own with rest and recovery. I would be shocked if Keyontae is not back playing for UF next season just as Al Blades Jr will be playing CB for the CANES and it is already confirmed that Eduardo Rodriguez is pitching for Boston. Red Sox would not have paid $8 million for pitcher who is NOT HEALED from this condition.

Joe
Well, Joe, you're indeed reliable with your opinion. And let's hope you're correct that there won't be significant long term damage effects from Covid exposure for the players, any greater incidence of such from the decision to have these sports go forward. But, at least IMO, it's far from a certainty either way.

MD,

Agreed, which is why for now you continue to let these sports move forward until enough evidence presents itself to dictate otherwise. And we are nowhere even close to that at the current moment. Happy Holidays!

Joe

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:21 am**

so looks like we landed the 2nd 100 million from pfizer, getting a timeline from them on delivery this time, with 70 million to come in q2. the other 30 million "potentially" coming somewhat or wholly in q2 if the defense production act can help them scoot it along. given news to date (scarcity materials, production time cuts, difficulty of distribution) i am dubious on any bump from dpa and expect potential challenges to the timelines have greater probabilities.

anyway, good news. maybe a dpa with moderna is in our future also and one works out to expedite.

so here is where we are:
100 mill doses/50 mill people for both moderna and pfizer by q1, or 100 mill people total.

a similar run in q2, though pfizer maybe 30 mill doses lighter. so another 85 million people.

jnj - if successful (still a big if), possible interim readout in late jan. earliest execution of eua maybe late feb/early march. 100 mill all in one shot. no idea on rollout, but jnj i expect would be ready and it wouldn't be 20 mill per month, it would be multiples of that unless they run into problems.

azn - again if successful, the timeline is really difficult to gauge. they've halted trials, restart already puts them back. we could've had over 100+ mill doses in our hands by end of year had that not happened. but, their early results probably needed to be better anyway. now, they're going to need to get better results with larger numbers to sell to the public. too much scrutiny right now. so best case, better results and lagging jnj by weeks. they'll be production ready, so they'd easily be able to cover the rest of our pop in q2 if jnj is a go, and a lot of it if jnj isn't.

novavax is rarely talked about, i suppose you'll hear a lot more about them in jan/feb, possible eua in april if successful. 100mill shots/50 mill people.

2 large questions about timing are of course the above 3 and the unknown on our campaign to get the distrustful on board. a lot of money and effort will be spent. vaxxing people with empty needle photo ops and folks fainting probably isn't helping that initiative, but we've got miles to go before we sleep on that.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/23/covid-l ... idappshare

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:27 am**

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:08 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:25 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:16 am
holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:37 pm UF's Keyontae Johnson (BBall) diagnosed with season ending heart condition

Hopefully this isn't a long term issue, and wish him all the best. I wonder if we see more of this, if we also don't see a lot of lawsuits. I don't know where to draw the line, but a lot of these kids in BBall and FBall are being pushed to play games and keep seasons going for what seems to be $$$ reasons. Essentially becoming essential personnel for schools bottom lines.

I want everything back to normal, but with so many unknown unknowns, I'd be very hesitant putting my kids out there if I were a college coach or assistant.

"The heart inflammation, called myocarditis, has various causes, most commonly viral infections"
While Johnson’s acute myocarditis can’t be definitively linked to his COVID diagnosis

The above are both very important in the context of this article, this HAPPENS with MANY viral infections of which CV-19 falls into the family of. It could have happened any year to any player and it has happened in the past when CV-19 did NOT EXIST. I cannot say that enough, CV-19 is not the first or the last viral infection that in rare cases can cause Myocarditis, which usually heals on its own with rest and recovery. I would be shocked if Keyontae is not back playing for UF next season just as Al Blades Jr will be playing CB for the CANES and it is already confirmed that Eduardo Rodriguez is pitching for Boston. Red Sox would not have paid $8 million for pitcher who is NOT HEALED from this condition.

Joe
Well, Joe, you're indeed reliable with your opinion. And let's hope you're correct that there won't be significant long term damage effects from Covid exposure for the players, any greater incidence of such from the decision to have these sports go forward. But, at least IMO, it's far from a certainty either way.
MD,

Agreed, which is why for now you continue to let these sports move forward until enough evidence presents itself to dictate otherwise. And we are nowhere even close to that at the current moment. Happy Holidays!

Joe

Happy Holidays to you as well, Joe.

I think the decision could be made either direction, based on the evidence to date, with the decision to reduce risk, for now, being a course preferred by some.

I think the point above is that the decision to push forward in the money sports may be more due to financial reasons than for the good of the kids, and, thus, there may well be financial repercussions (litigation) if there are instances of serious damage that were due to Covid.

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:28 am**

seacoaster wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:57 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:44 am Germany trying to copy us, we were told they were smarter....send masks.

Did you look at the graph before you added your comment?

What do the vertical numbers indicate in the graph?

The fine "print" is saying a "rolling 7 day avg", does this mean that , on avg. on the HIGH end, that 7 or 8 US citizens have been dying, per day, since March 1st ?

300 days, roughly the number of days since this graph/data began, multiplied by 8 (avg. daily #, rolling ) per million............let's call it 250 per day

250 X 300 = ????????????????????????????????????????//

My Iphone calculator comes up with 75K, or about 7500, dying, due to covid, per month. Do I have this write, based on the graph and ONLY the graph?

Where are all the other covid deaths coming from? Certainly not showing up on this graph. Unless I am reading it wrong. Any help would be appreciated.

Side bar: strange that people learned their "stalking" skills at MILF infested pizza places, that smell of comet. Jimmy Humble used to own that pizza joint.

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:28 am**

Myocarditis does indeed have a number of causes, including COVID, and people got it before COVID. Luckily most people are just fine after 6 months too. Unfortunately athletes do die from it.

We're seeing plenty of cardiac abnormalities after a COVID infection. As I said, I'd be hesitant to put my players out there after a positive COVID experience without substantial evidence that they are healthy.

In other news, here's a new study of mask and social distance effectiveness, testing five masks: a regular cloth mask, a two-layer cloth mask, a wet two-layer cloth mask, a surgical mask, and a medical-grade N-95 mask. Looks like a good mask and 6' of distancing is indeed a great way to severely limit exposure. https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0035072

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:36 am**

holmes435 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:28 am In other news, here's a new study of mask and social distance effectiveness, testing five masks: a regular cloth mask, a two-layer cloth mask, a wet two-layer cloth mask, a surgical mask, and a medical-grade N-95 mask. Looks like a good mask and 6' of distancing is indeed a great way to severely limit exposure. https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0035072

hmmm...

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:37 am**

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:21 am so looks like we landed the 2nd 100 million from pfizer, getting a timeline from them on delivery this time, with 70 million to come in q2. the other 30 million "potentially" coming somewhat or wholly in q2 if the defense production act can help them scoot it along. given news to date (scarcity materials, production time cuts, difficulty of distribution) i am dubious on any bump from dpa and expect potential challenges to the timelines have greater probabilities.

anyway, good news. maybe a dpa with moderna is in our future also and one works out to expedite.

so here is where we are:
100 mill doses/50 mill people for both moderna and pfizer by q1, or 100 mill people total.

a similar run in q2, though pfizer maybe 30 mill doses lighter. so another 85 million people.

jnj - if successful (still a big if), possible interim readout in late jan. earliest execution of eua maybe late feb/early march. 100 mill all in one shot. no idea on rollout, but jnj i expect would be ready and it wouldn't be 20 mill per month, it would be multiples of that unless they run into problems.

azn - again if successful, the timeline is really difficult to gauge. they've halted trials, restart already puts them back. we could've had over 100+ mill doses in our hands by end of year had that not happened. but, their early results probably needed to be better anyway. now, they're going to need to get better results with larger numbers to sell to the public. too much scrutiny right now. so best case, better results and lagging jnj by weeks. they'll be production ready, so they'd easily be able to cover the rest of our pop in q2 if jnj is a go, and a lot of it if jnj isn't.

novavax is rarely talked about, i suppose you'll hear a lot more about them in jan/feb, possible eua in april if successful. 100mill shots/50 mill people.

2 large questions about timing are of course the above 3 and the unknown on our campaign to get the distrustful on board. a lot of money and effort will be spent. vaxxing people with empty needle photo ops and folks fainting probably isn't helping that initiative, but we've got miles to go before we sleep on that.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/23/covid-l ... idappshare

Thanks for the summary. Though my wife and I, much less son, won't be in that first 100 million, I'll breathe a little easier with my mom done and a big chunk of the population done...gotta hope that the combination of that plus Biden's push of masking for 100 days will reduce incidence a lot...

Here's a question...my son is likely to be going back to Shanghai ballpark March, I wonder whether they will demand that he be vaccinated before coming, make him be vaccinated with the Chinese one? Up until now they've been doing a tough, government supervised quarantine and testing, but I wonder whether they add vaccination...virtually no cases in China and if anything pops up they're slamming hard down on it...

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:39 am**

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:28 am
seacoaster wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:57 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:44 am Germany trying to copy us, we were told they were smarter....send masks.

Did you look at the graph before you added your comment?
What do the vertical numbers indicate in the graph?

The fine "print" is saying a "rolling 7 day avg", does this mean that , on avg. on the HIGH end, that 7 or 8 US citizens have been dying, per day, since March 1st ?

300 days, roughly the number of days since this graph/data began, multiplied by 8 (avg. daily #, rolling ) per million............let's call it 250 per day

250 X 300 = ????????????????????????????????????????//

My Iphone calculator comes up with 75K, or about 7500, dying, due to covid, per month. Do I have this write, based on the graph and ONLY the graph?

Where are all the other covid deaths coming from? Certainly not showing up on this graph. Unless I am reading it wrong. Any help would be appreciated.

Side bar: strange that people learned their "stalking" skills at MILF infested pizza places, that smell of comet. Jimmy Humble used to own that pizza joint.

Did you include the “per million” part....my guess is the people that put the graph together are lying.....just to scare folks.....

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:46 am**

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:28 am
seacoaster wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:57 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:44 am Germany trying to copy us, we were told they were smarter....send masks.

Did you look at the graph before you added your comment?
What do the vertical numbers indicate in the graph?

The fine "print" is saying a "rolling 7 day avg", does this mean that , on avg. on the HIGH end, that 7 or 8 US citizens have been dying, per day, since March 1st ?

300 days, roughly the number of days since this graph/data began, multiplied by 8 (avg. daily #, rolling ) per million............let's call it 250 per day

250 X 300 = ????????????????????????????????????????//

My Iphone calculator comes up with 75K, or about 7500, dying, due to covid, per month. Do I have this write, based on the graph and ONLY the graph?

Where are all the other covid deaths coming from? Certainly not showing up on this graph. Unless I am reading it wrong. Any help would be appreciated.

I think that scale may be per million...the US is over 600 daily new cases per million population. We're running close to 200,000 new cases a day on 338 million pop.

We're running above 2,600 deaths per day, 7.88 per million. Germany is currently running right behind us on a per million basis.

Correction, we're currently at 2,781 per day trailing 7 days avg deaths.

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:00 am**

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:36 am
holmes435 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:28 am In other news, here's a new study of mask and social distance effectiveness, testing five masks: a regular cloth mask, a two-layer cloth mask, a wet two-layer cloth mask, a surgical mask, and a medical-grade N-95 mask. Looks like a good mask and 6' of distancing is indeed a great way to severely limit exposure. https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0035072
hmmm...

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:09 am**

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:08 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:25 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:16 am
holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:37 pm UF's Keyontae Johnson (BBall) diagnosed with season ending heart condition

Hopefully this isn't a long term issue, and wish him all the best. I wonder if we see more of this, if we also don't see a lot of lawsuits. I don't know where to draw the line, but a lot of these kids in BBall and FBall are being pushed to play games and keep seasons going for what seems to be $$$ reasons. Essentially becoming essential personnel for schools bottom lines.

I want everything back to normal, but with so many unknown unknowns, I'd be very hesitant putting my kids out there if I were a college coach or assistant.

"The heart inflammation, called myocarditis, has various causes, most commonly viral infections"
While Johnson’s acute myocarditis can’t be definitively linked to his COVID diagnosis

The above are both very important in the context of this article, this HAPPENS with MANY viral infections of which CV-19 falls into the family of. It could have happened any year to any player and it has happened in the past when CV-19 did NOT EXIST. I cannot say that enough, CV-19 is not the first or the last viral infection that in rare cases can cause Myocarditis, which usually heals on its own with rest and recovery. I would be shocked if Keyontae is not back playing for UF next season just as Al Blades Jr will be playing CB for the CANES and it is already confirmed that Eduardo Rodriguez is pitching for Boston. Red Sox would not have paid $8 million for pitcher who is NOT HEALED from this condition.

Joe
Well, Joe, you're indeed reliable with your opinion. And let's hope you're correct that there won't be significant long term damage effects from Covid exposure for the players, any greater incidence of such from the decision to have these sports go forward. But, at least IMO, it's far from a certainty either way.
MD,

Agreed, which is why for now you continue to let these sports move forward until enough evidence presents itself to dictate otherwise. And we are nowhere even close to that at the current moment. Happy Holidays!

Joe

But first let's pass legislation to limit liability just in case, right Joe?

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:14 am**

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:39 am
runrussellrun wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:28 am
seacoaster wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:57 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:44 am Germany trying to copy us, we were told they were smarter....send masks.

Did you look at the graph before you added your comment?
What do the vertical numbers indicate in the graph?

The fine "print" is saying a "rolling 7 day avg", does this mean that , on avg. on the HIGH end, that 7 or 8 US citizens have been dying, per day, since March 1st ?

300 days, roughly the number of days since this graph/data began, multiplied by 8 (avg. daily #, rolling ) per million............let's call it 250 per day

250 X 300 = ????????????????????????????????????????//

My Iphone calculator comes up with 75K, or about 7500, dying, due to covid, per month. Do I have this write, based on the graph and ONLY the graph?

Where are all the other covid deaths coming from? Certainly not showing up on this graph. Unless I am reading it wrong. Any help would be appreciated.

Side bar: strange that people learned their "stalking" skills at MILF infested pizza places, that smell of comet. Jimmy Humble used to own that pizza joint.
Did you include the “per million” part....my guess is the people that put the graph together are lying.....just to scare folks.....

It IS called being educated.....where every word matters. If notice what I bolded, I am aware of the "per million"

Now what?

When did I ever use the word "lying" ??????? If not to just scare folks, why not explain what the graph means......please do it. Explain it.

Was the math wrong, on my part? I multiplied 8 (the avg. daily rolling deaths) by 32 (which represents 320 million US residents, so if the graph IS representing 8 deaths, per MILLION, I am correct in multiplying 8 X 32, which gives the US an average daily death count of roughly 250, PER DAY.

Is this math wrong? Should we multiply 8 times three hundred and twenty ? (320-represents US residents ) That will give us almost 3/4 of a million DEAD from covid.

It is strange to defend serious questions regarding numbers? It IS against the law to lie about numbers, or even to mislead, in the financial world, IS it not?

numbers matter......until they don't. got it.

Or, you could help describe , in further detail, what this graph is representing.

Not in your DNA to help....understood. .... .why you never had double digits in hoops assists

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:15 am**

SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:09 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:08 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:25 am
JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:16 am
holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:37 pm UF's Keyontae Johnson (BBall) diagnosed with season ending heart condition

Hopefully this isn't a long term issue, and wish him all the best. I wonder if we see more of this, if we also don't see a lot of lawsuits. I don't know where to draw the line, but a lot of these kids in BBall and FBall are being pushed to play games and keep seasons going for what seems to be $$$ reasons. Essentially becoming essential personnel for schools bottom lines.

I want everything back to normal, but with so many unknown unknowns, I'd be very hesitant putting my kids out there if I were a college coach or assistant.

"The heart inflammation, called myocarditis, has various causes, most commonly viral infections"
While Johnson’s acute myocarditis can’t be definitively linked to his COVID diagnosis

The above are both very important in the context of this article, this HAPPENS with MANY viral infections of which CV-19 falls into the family of. It could have happened any year to any player and it has happened in the past when CV-19 did NOT EXIST. I cannot say that enough, CV-19 is not the first or the last viral infection that in rare cases can cause Myocarditis, which usually heals on its own with rest and recovery. I would be shocked if Keyontae is not back playing for UF next season just as Al Blades Jr will be playing CB for the CANES and it is already confirmed that Eduardo Rodriguez is pitching for Boston. Red Sox would not have paid $8 million for pitcher who is NOT HEALED from this condition.

Joe
Well, Joe, you're indeed reliable with your opinion. And let's hope you're correct that there won't be significant long term damage effects from Covid exposure for the players, any greater incidence of such from the decision to have these sports go forward. But, at least IMO, it's far from a certainty either way.
MD,

Agreed, which is why for now you continue to let these sports move forward until enough evidence presents itself to dictate otherwise. And we are nowhere even close to that at the current moment. Happy Holidays!

Joe
But first let's pass legislation to limit liability just in case, right Joe?

Sure....let's NOT go after the people that wanted the liability protection IN THE FIRST PLACE.

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