wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:09 am
xmas is rounding the corner. gotta get home and not gather.
Holidays and a contagion don’t go hand in hand. Only hope is that some people forgoing gatherings in light of the risk will help keep the numbers down. It will be window dressing in the grand scheme of things.
Heavy air traffic this weekend.
Not a good sign. Hopefully it will lead to the last “spike” that we see. Hopefully Memorial day won’t see as big an increase in numbers.
you're a vaccine hater.
Hopefully the vaccine will help with memorial day, as I anticipate.
warnings for thanksgiving were appropriate. there was not a major spike. growth rates have slowed throughout december. some of that may be other measures muting a thanksgiving impact, but the numbers are the numbers.
That's why I believe this will be the last spike. I have no view on the magnitude of it. People are being careful and are taking some steps to mitigate when they travel. Every little bit helps.
wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:09 am
xmas is rounding the corner. gotta get home and not gather.
Holidays and a contagion don’t go hand in hand. Only hope is that some people forgoing gatherings in light of the risk will help keep the numbers down. It will be window dressing in the grand scheme of things.
Heavy air traffic this weekend.
Not a good sign. Hopefully it will lead to the last “spike” that we see. Hopefully Memorial day won’t see as big an increase in numbers.
you're a vaccine hater.
Sheesh, I think we all sure as heck hope the vaccine distribution will have impacted virus incidence sufficiently by then to have knocked this bugger down hard.
But man, the behaviors out there are wild...we went to the local flea market/green market on Sunday to pick up some used golf balls, some veggies, bushel of tomatoes to make some sweet relish for Xmas presents, etc. Outside environment. Florida. We were masked, vendors masked at the booths we went to. Shocking how many shoppers were not...I'd say 50% not. Some vendors with masks half on. I shooed my wife and mom along fast, looked over at the section with the army surplus store, gun shops, etc...no one wearing masks.
wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:09 am
xmas is rounding the corner. gotta get home and not gather.
Holidays and a contagion don’t go hand in hand. Only hope is that some people forgoing gatherings in light of the risk will help keep the numbers down. It will be window dressing in the grand scheme of things.
Heavy air traffic this weekend.
Not a good sign. Hopefully it will lead to the last “spike” that we see. Hopefully Memorial day won’t see as big an increase in numbers.
you're a vaccine hater.
Hopefully the vaccine will help with memorial day, as I anticipate.
warnings for thanksgiving were appropriate. there was not a major spike. growth rates have slowed throughout december. some of that may be other measures muting a thanksgiving impact, but the numbers are the numbers.
That's why I believe this will be the last spike. I have no view on the magnitude of it. People are being careful and are taking some steps to mitigate when they travel. Every little bit helps.
Not sure what we're calling 'spike'...
The numbers do appear to have been increasing much faster during the run up to to the election and then to Thanksgiving than in month after Thanksgiving, though still rising after a little dip. About 44k daily avg as of Oct 3, 93k as of Nov 3, 180k by Thanksgiving (increased testing in order to visit?), now up at about 220k per day. So, slower...but growing a lot still.
Daily deaths were 868 as of Nov 3, over 1700 as of Thanksgiving, now over 2600 per day avg trailing 7 days.
wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:09 am
xmas is rounding the corner. gotta get home and not gather.
Holidays and a contagion don’t go hand in hand. Only hope is that some people forgoing gatherings in light of the risk will help keep the numbers down. It will be window dressing in the grand scheme of things.
Heavy air traffic this weekend.
Not a good sign. Hopefully it will lead to the last “spike” that we see. Hopefully Memorial day won’t see as big an increase in numbers.
you're a vaccine hater.
Hopefully the vaccine will help with memorial day, as I anticipate.
warnings for thanksgiving were appropriate. there was not a major spike. growth rates have slowed throughout december. some of that may be other measures muting a thanksgiving impact, but the numbers are the numbers.
That's why I believe this will be the last spike. I have no view on the magnitude of it. People are being careful and are taking some steps to mitigate when they travel. Every little bit helps.
Not sure what we're calling 'spike'...
The numbers do appear to have been increasing much faster during the run up to to the election and then to Thanksgiving than in month after Thanksgiving, though still rising after a little dip. About 44k daily avg as of Oct 3, 93k as of Nov 3, 180k by Thanksgiving (increased testing in order to visit?), now up at about 220k per day. So, slower...but growing a lot still.
Daily deaths were 868 as of Nov 3, over 1700 as of Thanksgiving, now over 2600 per day avg trailing 7 days.
wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:09 am
xmas is rounding the corner. gotta get home and not gather.
Holidays and a contagion don’t go hand in hand. Only hope is that some people forgoing gatherings in light of the risk will help keep the numbers down. It will be window dressing in the grand scheme of things.
Heavy air traffic this weekend.
Not a good sign. Hopefully it will lead to the last “spike” that we see. Hopefully Memorial day won’t see as big an increase in numbers.
you're a vaccine hater.
Hopefully the vaccine will help with memorial day, as I anticipate.
warnings for thanksgiving were appropriate. there was not a major spike. growth rates have slowed throughout december. some of that may be other measures muting a thanksgiving impact, but the numbers are the numbers.
That's why I believe this will be the last spike. I have no view on the magnitude of it. People are being careful and are taking some steps to mitigate when they travel. Every little bit helps.
Not sure what we're calling 'spike'...
The numbers do appear to have been increasing much faster during the run up to to the election and then to Thanksgiving than in month after Thanksgiving, though still rising after a little dip. About 44k daily avg as of Oct 3, 93k as of Nov 3, 180k by Thanksgiving (increased testing in order to visit?), now up at about 220k per day. So, slower...but growing a lot still.
Daily deaths were 868 as of Nov 3, over 1700 as of Thanksgiving, now over 2600 per day avg trailing 7 days.
Hopefully we see less and less as I expect. I believe next fall will be the real test. The summer MAY give us a false sense of where we are.
Both statements can be true...it was surging pre Thanksgiving at a very rapid rate and it has surged further since. Now at points dangerously overwhelming of some hospital systems. And we're not at our peak. And Xmas travel and gatherings may well create another surge.
"A week before Thanksgiving, a small group of moderate senators gathered in the spacious living room of Senator Lisa Murkowski’s home on Capitol Hill to embark on what they considered an urgent assignment.
They were there — eating Tuscan takeout as they sat socially distanced, with the windows open to let the cold air circulate as a coronavirus precaution — to talk about how to get the Senate, polarized and paralyzed on nearly every issue, working again.
They were also determined to find a way to deliver a more immediate kind of relief, brainstorming how to break a monthslong partisan stalemate over providing a new round of federal aid to millions of Americans and businesses buckling under the economic weight of the coronavirus pandemic.
The stimulus deal they began discussing that evening ultimately showed that both were possible. In hatching the compromise, the centrists provided a backbone for the $900 billion relief measure that Congress approved late Monday. Perhaps just as important, they delivered a template for the kind of bipartisan deal-making that will be crucial to getting Congress to function again in the Biden era, when tiny majorities in both chambers will force the parties to find their way to the center to accomplish any major initiative.
“I think divided government can be an opportunity,” said Ms. Murkowski, an Alaska Republican. “How we take that up, how we choose to use it, is up to us.”
With President Trump almost entirely absent from the talks, it took quiet prodding from President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr., a month of frenzied negotiating by the moderates — on Zoom calls, in parking lots and over late-night sessions on Capitol Hill fueled by pizza and moonshine — intense bargaining by party leaders and several near-misses with a government shutdown to produce the final product. Two dozen lawmakers and aides described the legislative drive.
That November night at Ms. Murkowski’s house, Senator Mitt Romney, Republican of Utah and a former management consultant, had arrived ready with a proposal outlined on his iPad. But it was Senator Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the No. 2 Democrat, whose presence at the gathering raised some eyebrows among the Republicans, who chimed in with the suggestion that set the tone.
Forget about a sweeping stimulus initiative, Mr. Durbin said. What we need here is a limited, emergency plan to get the country through March.
“That was really what opened up the eyes of all of us,” Mr. Romney recalled.
Two hours away, in Wilmington, Del., a similar theory was taking shape among members of Mr. Biden’s transition team as they prepared to confront a public health and economic crisis. In order to give the president-elect a fighting chance when he takes office in January, they privately told Democrats, Congress needed to enact another stimulus plan to serve as a bridge until the new administration, even if it was much smaller than what ultimately would be needed.
The problem was, there was not much time to produce a deal.
Embracing his inner task master, Senator Joe Manchin III, Democrat of West Virginia and the self-styled ringleader of the effort with Senator Susan Collins, Republican of Maine, scheduled meetings over Thanksgiving, on weekends and late at night. Lawmakers broke into subgroups focused on the thorny issues that had divided the two parties for months: how to structure unemployment benefits, aid to states and cities, coronavirus liability protections, funds for school reopenings and other issues.
Drawing from a $1.8 trillion stimulus framework proposed weeks earlier by the Problem Solvers Caucus, a bipartisan group of centrist House members, and signals from party leaders, Mr. Manchin, Senator Mark Warner and several others quickly cobbled together an initial outline that they felt both parties could live with. It roughly split the differences between Democrats and Republicans, including items that both sides agreed on, but also two dueling priorities that had bedeviled their leaders: the liability shield that Republicans were demanding, and money that Democrats were insisting on for state and local governments whose revenue had collapsed in the economic crisis.
The haggling was intense and constant. Ms. Collins said she had never done so much texting before. “This was not an instance where members started it off and turned it over to staff,” she said.
During one Friday session, Representative Tom Reed, Republican of New York and the co-chairman of the Problem Solvers Caucus, called from his car and ended up spending hours in a convenience store parking lot hashing out sticking points.
“If America only knew that $1 trillion of policy was negotiated in the Sheetz parking lot,” Mr. Reed said.
Two weeks after dinner at Ms. Murkowski’s, they honed the initial $908 billion framework over slices of pizza in a large Senate hearing room and rushed to arrange a news conference for the next morning. They moved so quickly that the posters Mr. Manchin had ordered were not done by the time the event began.
“None of us thought in good conscience we could go home for Christmas with all these people thrown out of their apartments, closing their businesses, getting into food lines,” said Mr. Warner, a Virginia Democrat. “It would be the ultimate Scrooge-like activity.”
The moderates did not know it, but Democratic leaders had been doing their own postelection recalibration after insisting for months that any deal less than $2 trillion was inadequate.
Three days after the dinner at Ms. Murkowski’s house, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York and the minority leader, had driven to Wilmington to meet with Mr. Biden and plan the year ahead. The president-elect’s message was plain.
“He knew we could not get everything now, but anything we could get would make his job easier when he became president,” Mr. Schumer said. “We agreed.”
When the moderates introduced their plan, the top Democrats saw their opportunity. They quickly embraced it as the easiest vehicle for jump-starting negotiations.
It was a major shift for the leaders, who had rejected Trump administration proposals twice as large, refusing to budge as the election approached even as they privately conceded that there was little momentum for a deal. During one call in late September, Ms. Pelosi had told Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin that she had spent a sleepless night watching a rerun of “The Princess Bride,” the 1987 cult classic. She compared their negotiations to how Billy Crystal’s character, Miracle Max, describes a patient in the film who has been tortured to the brink of death, pronouncing them “mostly dead.”
Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader, was making his own reassessment but remained aloof in public as usual. Two days after the moderates unveiled their outline, Ms. Collins, Ms. Murkowski, Mr. Romney and Senator Bill Cassidy, Republican of Louisiana, met with Mr. McConnell in his spacious Capitol office suite to brief the leader on their plan.
He gave the lawmakers reason to be optimistic. What you have done is get Democrats off their $2 trillion dime and to re-engage, he told them. That is helpful.
A week went by, and Mr. McConnell began showing more openness to a deal. Speaking at his weekly news conference, he made what would prove to be a key offer: Republicans would drop their insistence on liability protections for businesses if Democrats would not pursue billions for state and local governments.
It appeared to be a surprising retreat by the leader, who had said the issue was a “red line” for Republicans, and Democrats initially balked.
But Mr. McConnell had concluded that he needed a deal and that time was running short. Senators David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, two Georgia Republicans whose runoff elections in January will determine control of the Senate, were being harshly criticized over Congress’s failure to deliver more pandemic relief. Privately, the majority leader promised the senators that they would not leave for Christmas without a deal.
There was still one important person to persuade: the president, who was preoccupied with baselessly contesting his election loss.
At the White House to watch Mr. Trump award the Presidential Medal of Freedom to the football coach Lou Holtz, Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, sat down with the president to sell him on the emerging bipartisan compromise.
“This bipartisan working group is your best way forward,” the senator told him. Mr. Trump seemed to agree, and Mr. Graham went back to Capitol Hill and relayed to reporters that he was on board.
The centrists introduced their final proposal on Dec. 14, just as the Electoral College was certifying Mr. Biden’s victory. The next morning, after Mr. McConnell broke with Mr. Trump and recognized Mr. Biden as the president-elect, Ms. Pelosi invited him, Mr. Schumer and Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the Republican House leader, to meet in her office.
When they gathered, their faces obscured by masks, in Ms. Pelosi’s Capitol Hill office suite, trimmed with Christmas garlands, there was at first little sign of a thaw.
Mr. McConnell insisted that Mr. Mnuchin be on the line. Republicans and Democrats sparred over the overall size of a package and each of its parts. At one point, Mr. Schumer, who was fighting for New York City’s transit funding, grew so frustrated with a Republican transportation proposal that he threatened to pull the plug.
“If that’s where you’re at, I’m out of here,” he said.
Both sides were also under pressure from some in their own ranks to include another round of direct checks for Americans, a popular component of the previous stimulus bill, but one that the gang of centrists had deliberately decided to leave out because it was not specifically targeted to those out of work. Mr. Trump and Mr. Mnuchin pushed, too, with the Treasury secretary working the phones to soften up skeptical Senate Republicans.
Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, the progressive independent, had pre-emptively panned the emerging framework, in part because checks were not included. He locked arms in the Senate with Josh Hawley of Missouri, a conservative Republican.
In the House, Representative Pramila Jayapal, Democrat of Washington and the chairwoman of an influential bloc of 96 progressives, made a similar stand. She had texted Ms. Pelosi in early December, threatening that her group would oppose the stimulus proposal if it did not contain some form of direct payment.
“If we can’t point to how this package is going to benefit regular people, it’s going to be very difficult for us to get on board,” Ms. Jayapal wrote.
When top leaders left Ms. Pelosi’s office that night, all four signaled that a deal might at last be at hand, including $600 checks. Their aides scrambled to begin drafting an emerging compromise, with little time left before government funding was set to lapse.
Senator Patrick J. Toomey, Republican of Pennsylvania, had other ideas. With less than 48 hours until the government was set to shut down without a deal, Mr. Toomey, a fiscal hawk who had long sought to end a series of the Federal Reserve’s emergency lending programs, stood firm on one demand. The stimulus measure must not only end an array of programs the Fed had created to help businesses and municipalities during the pandemic, he said, but also bar the central bank from creating anything like them in the future.
Democrats were incensed, accusing Mr. Toomey of trying to sabotage the ability of the incoming Biden administration to respond to the economic turmoil.
But Republicans rallied around Mr. Toomey, and congressional leaders agreed that they would need to extend government spending another day to buy time to resolve the new impasse.
They ultimately struck an agreement shortly before midnight, after haggling on the floor and in Mr. Schumer’s suite. It took another 18 hours before Mr. McConnell could walk onto the Senate floor and announce the deal.
By then, the moderates who kicked off the process had been relegated to the sidelines, left to wait and see if the stimulus effort could beat the odds. Several nights earlier, in a large Senate conference room, Mr. Manchin had opened a bottle of his West Virginia moonshine, which he likes to call “farm fuel,” to toast whatever was to come.
“It took the enamel off my teeth,” Mr. Durbin said. “But it tasted pretty good.”
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:17 am
by Matnum PI
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wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:09 am
xmas is rounding the corner. gotta get home and not gather.
Holidays and a contagion don’t go hand in hand. Only hope is that some people forgoing gatherings in light of the risk will help keep the numbers down. It will be window dressing in the grand scheme of things.
Heavy air traffic this weekend.
Not a good sign. Hopefully it will lead to the last “spike” that we see. Hopefully Memorial day won’t see as big an increase in numbers.
you're a vaccine hater.
Hopefully the vaccine will help with memorial day, as I anticipate.
warnings for thanksgiving were appropriate. there was not a major spike. growth rates have slowed throughout december. some of that may be other measures muting a thanksgiving impact, but the numbers are the numbers.
That's why I believe this will be the last spike. I have no view on the magnitude of it. People are being careful and are taking some steps to mitigate when they travel. Every little bit helps.
Not sure what we're calling 'spike'...
The numbers do appear to have been increasing much faster during the run up to to the election and then to Thanksgiving than in month after Thanksgiving, though still rising after a little dip. About 44k daily avg as of Oct 3, 93k as of Nov 3, 180k by Thanksgiving (increased testing in order to visit?), now up at about 220k per day. So, slower...but growing a lot still.
Daily deaths were 868 as of Nov 3, over 1700 as of Thanksgiving, now over 2600 per day avg trailing 7 days.
Hopefully we see less and less as I expect. I believe next fall will be the real test. The summer MAY give us a false sense of where we are.
Both statements can be true...it was surging pre Thanksgiving at a very rapid rate and it has surged further since. Now at points dangerously overwhelming of some hospital systems. And we're not at our peak. And Xmas travel and gatherings may well create another surge.
Yep. I am hoping that we catch a break but all these people moving around and gathering is not helpful. If we get to 500,000 dead by April 1, that would be a win. I remember last March people thinking this would be like the flu and what’s the big deal. 500,000 with all the mitigation is proof that this isn’t nothing like the flu.
wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:09 am
xmas is rounding the corner. gotta get home and not gather.
Holidays and a contagion don’t go hand in hand. Only hope is that some people forgoing gatherings in light of the risk will help keep the numbers down. It will be window dressing in the grand scheme of things.
Heavy air traffic this weekend.
Not a good sign. Hopefully it will lead to the last “spike” that we see. Hopefully Memorial day won’t see as big an increase in numbers.
you're a vaccine hater.
Hopefully the vaccine will help with memorial day, as I anticipate.
warnings for thanksgiving were appropriate. there was not a major spike. growth rates have slowed throughout december. some of that may be other measures muting a thanksgiving impact, but the numbers are the numbers.
That's why I believe this will be the last spike. I have no view on the magnitude of it. People are being careful and are taking some steps to mitigate when they travel. Every little bit helps.
Not sure what we're calling 'spike'...
The numbers do appear to have been increasing much faster during the run up to to the election and then to Thanksgiving than in month after Thanksgiving, though still rising after a little dip. About 44k daily avg as of Oct 3, 93k as of Nov 3, 180k by Thanksgiving (increased testing in order to visit?), now up at about 220k per day. So, slower...but growing a lot still.
Daily deaths were 868 as of Nov 3, over 1700 as of Thanksgiving, now over 2600 per day avg trailing 7 days.
Rolling seven day average cases: ~3500 Thanksgiving, ~6200 now, peak-to-date of 8444 on 12/18.
Hospitalizations: 1806 on Thanksgiving going up daily to 2817 on 12/20.
wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:09 am
xmas is rounding the corner. gotta get home and not gather.
Holidays and a contagion don’t go hand in hand. Only hope is that some people forgoing gatherings in light of the risk will help keep the numbers down. It will be window dressing in the grand scheme of things.
Heavy air traffic this weekend.
Not a good sign. Hopefully it will lead to the last “spike” that we see. Hopefully Memorial day won’t see as big an increase in numbers.
you're a vaccine hater.
Hopefully the vaccine will help with memorial day, as I anticipate.
warnings for thanksgiving were appropriate. there was not a major spike. growth rates have slowed throughout december. some of that may be other measures muting a thanksgiving impact, but the numbers are the numbers.
That's why I believe this will be the last spike. I have no view on the magnitude of it. People are being careful and are taking some steps to mitigate when they travel. Every little bit helps.
Not sure what we're calling 'spike'...
The numbers do appear to have been increasing much faster during the run up to to the election and then to Thanksgiving than in month after Thanksgiving, though still rising after a little dip. About 44k daily avg as of Oct 3, 93k as of Nov 3, 180k by Thanksgiving (increased testing in order to visit?), now up at about 220k per day. So, slower...but growing a lot still.
Daily deaths were 868 as of Nov 3, over 1700 as of Thanksgiving, now over 2600 per day avg trailing 7 days.
right. because as you are moving up or down, you won't see numbers flatline the next day. anywhere in the world. it takes slowing the growth rate for it to flatten.
so as the cumulative growth rates have slowed and it's within 3 + weeks of carving turkey ... no spike. california and tenn and arizona and others are individual exceptions. some of it is the midwest coming off spikes. but in dumbed down cumulative trends, no spike.
in the last week, case increase has been largely nonexistent. we'll see about xmas.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:32 am
by MDlaxfan76
growth, but slower rate of growth when looking aggregately total US...on the other hand, spikes where tinder was dry.
Growth total US has indeed been flat this past week, I tend to think all the travel and multi-generational gathering will create another surge.
At a House subcommittee hearing on the coronavirus on Feb. 5, Ron Klain, White House Ebola response coordinator under the Obama administration, took issue with the characterization of the travel restrictions as a travel “ban.”
“We don’t have a travel ban,” Klain said. “We have a travel Band-Aid right now. First, before it was imposed, 300,000 people came here from China in the previous month. So, the horse is out of the barn.”
“There’s no restriction on Americans going back and forth,” Klain said. “There are warnings. People should abide by those warnings. But today, 30 planes will land in Los Angeles that either originated in Beijing or came here on one-stops, 30 in San Francisco, 25 in New York City. Okay? So, unless we think that the color of the passport someone carries is a meaningful public health restriction, we have not placed a meaningful public health restriction.”
It is clear that he wanted something more effective from tRUMP but in all honesty it is not entirely clear as to what he really wanted. It will, of course, be remembered that as Ebola response coordinator under Obama, it was he who kept the disease from entering our shores. I'm sure that had he kept that job under tRUMP he would not have changed his strategy.
yup, he did. also, Ron Klain, a longtime top adviser and former Biden chief of staff, opposed a travel ban a few days before it was announced, calling it “premature.” Other Biden advisers were also dismissive.
On Jan. 30, Biden confidant and coronavirus adviser Zeke Emanuel told CNBC viewers to “take a very big breath, slow down, and stop panicking and being hysterical.” The virus will “go down as spring comes up.”
Throughout February, Mr. Biden’s lieutenants kept minimizing the threat. In a Feb. 6 op-ed, Biden coronavirus adviser Irwin Redlener wrote that a global pandemic was “not very likely” and predicted the chances of “getting a severe, potentially lethal form of the Wuhan virus is negligible.” On Feb. 11 Mr. Klain again played down the likelihood that Covid would become “a serious epidemic.” “The evidence suggests it’s probably not that,” he said. Two days later, Mr. Klain tweeted, “We don’t have a COVID-19 epidemic in the US but we are starting to see a fear epidemic.”
Suggesting in a Feb. 20 interview that there’d been “an overreaction,” Dr. Emanuel again suggested “warm weather is going to come and, just like with the flu, the coronavirus is going to go down.”
Then on Feb. 24, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi urged tourists in San Francisco to “come to Chinatown.” Mr. Klain echoed her three days later, saying people should not be dissuaded by “needless fears about coronavirus.” He added that everyone “should tonight go down to Chinatown in their city and buy dinner or go shopping.”
as it is, his run as a health and emergency politico might be largest reason he was chosen to chief of staff it again. and think he's the best pick in the cabinet, makes me optimistic they'll have a good and needed steward in '21.
Who authored that writing? Republican extremist Karl Rove.
Instead of saying on Feb 11 that the plague is no big deal, FOUR weeks before on Jan 20 he said "We’re past ‘if’ on the coronavirus. We’re on to ‘how bad will it be?’"
At a House subcommittee hearing on the coronavirus on Feb. 5, Ron Klain, White House Ebola response coordinator under the Obama administration, took issue with the characterization of the travel restrictions as a travel “ban.”
“We don’t have a travel ban,” Klain said. “We have a travel Band-Aid right now. First, before it was imposed, 300,000 people came here from China in the previous month. So, the horse is out of the barn.”
“There’s no restriction on Americans going back and forth,” Klain said. “There are warnings. People should abide by those warnings. But today, 30 planes will land in Los Angeles that either originated in Beijing or came here on one-stops, 30 in San Francisco, 25 in New York City. Okay? So, unless we think that the color of the passport someone carries is a meaningful public health restriction, we have not placed a meaningful public health restriction.”
It is clear that he wanted something more effective from tRUMP but in all honesty it is not entirely clear as to what he really wanted. It will, of course, be remembered that as Ebola response coordinator under Obama, it was he who kept the disease from entering our shores. I'm sure that had he kept that job under tRUMP he would not have changed his strategy.
yup, he did. also, Ron Klain, a longtime top adviser and former Biden chief of staff, opposed a travel ban a few days before it was announced, calling it “premature.” Other Biden advisers were also dismissive.
On Jan. 30, Biden confidant and coronavirus adviser Zeke Emanuel told CNBC viewers to “take a very big breath, slow down, and stop panicking and being hysterical.” The virus will “go down as spring comes up.”
Throughout February, Mr. Biden’s lieutenants kept minimizing the threat. In a Feb. 6 op-ed, Biden coronavirus adviser Irwin Redlener wrote that a global pandemic was “not very likely” and predicted the chances of “getting a severe, potentially lethal form of the Wuhan virus is negligible.” On Feb. 11 Mr. Klain again played down the likelihood that Covid would become “a serious epidemic.” “The evidence suggests it’s probably not that,” he said. Two days later, Mr. Klain tweeted, “We don’t have a COVID-19 epidemic in the US but we are starting to see a fear epidemic.”
Suggesting in a Feb. 20 interview that there’d been “an overreaction,” Dr. Emanuel again suggested “warm weather is going to come and, just like with the flu, the coronavirus is going to go down.”
Then on Feb. 24, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi urged tourists in San Francisco to “come to Chinatown.” Mr. Klain echoed her three days later, saying people should not be dissuaded by “needless fears about coronavirus.” He added that everyone “should tonight go down to Chinatown in their city and buy dinner or go shopping.”
as it is, his run as a health and emergency politico might be largest reason he was chosen to chief of staff it again. and think he's the best pick in the cabinet, makes me optimistic they'll have a good and needed steward in '21.
Who authored that writing? Republican extremist Karl Rove.
Instead of saying on Feb 11 that the plague is no big deal, FOUR weeks before on Jan 20 he said "We’re past ‘if’ on the coronavirus. We’re on to ‘how bad will it be?’"
sooo... you're saying knowing what he knows, klain shouldn't have said any of the things that he said over the following month plus? doesn't that make it worse?
great job diblasio standing up to the fear!
china's awesome!
bring in those chinese travelers!
these are needless fears about the coronavirus, shop and eat all day in chinatown!
it matters who cobbled together his own quotes? would it be better if i pulled all the tweets? you do understand i was defending him, and you're throwing him under the bus, right?
wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:44 am
sooo... you're saying knowing what he knows, klain shouldn't have said any of the things that he said over the following month plus? doesn't that make it worse?
great job diblasio standing up to the fear!
china's awesome!
bring in those chinese travelers!
these are needless fears about the coronavirus, shop and eat all day in chinatown!
it matters who cobbled together his own quotes? would it be better if i pulled all the tweets? you do understand i was defending him, and you're throwing him under the bus, right?
Klain was quoted Feb 11. The first non travel recorded case in the USA 2 weeks later:
The first U.S. cases of nontravel–related COVID-19 were confirmed on February 26 and 28, 2020, suggesting that community transmission was occurring by late February.
wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:44 am
sooo... you're saying knowing what he knows, klain shouldn't have said any of the things that he said over the following month plus? doesn't that make it worse?
great job diblasio standing up to the fear!
china's awesome!
bring in those chinese travelers!
these are needless fears about the coronavirus, shop and eat all day in chinatown!
it matters who cobbled together his own quotes? would it be better if i pulled all the tweets? you do understand i was defending him, and you're throwing him under the bus, right?
Klain was quoted Feb 11. The first non travel recorded case in the USA 2 weeks later:
The first U.S. cases of nontravel–related COVID-19 were confirmed on February 26 and 28, 2020, suggesting that community transmission was occurring by late February.
Therefore, he was correct. tRUMP's plague had not broken out until 2 weeks after he was quoted when he said there was no actual plague in the USA.
I don't know what you're trying to prove here other than the fact that you are proving me correct which you done quite successfully.
right. and we had no tests because the cdc took from january until feb 24 or so, needing an outside consultant to tell them their lab was contaminated. we had no tests. no tests, no cases, right? independent hospitals had to make their own up to diagnose a case. and the fda eventually cleared others to do that.
klain said it's not if, but when, and then for 5-6 weeks was saying no biggie. so he knew it was coming. and i do not fault him. flying blind, everyone was. but you want to believe some alternate scenario that belies all evidence of actual takes from the side you favor. i have news.... there were thousands of cases in february. and that seeded something on the order of 5 - 10 million or more in march.
actually, i can't even tell what you're saying anymore. if ron klain were in charge, then what? we would've instituted a full travel ban and stopped eating in chinatown both on feb 29?
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:42 pm
by Brooklyn
actually, i can't even tell what you're saying anymore. if ron klain were in charge, then what? we would've instituted a full travel ban and stopped eating in chinatown both on feb 29?
wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:44 am
sooo... you're saying knowing what he knows, klain shouldn't have said any of the things that he said over the following month plus? doesn't that make it worse?
great job diblasio standing up to the fear!
china's awesome!
bring in those chinese travelers!
these are needless fears about the coronavirus, shop and eat all day in chinatown!
it matters who cobbled together his own quotes? would it be better if i pulled all the tweets? you do understand i was defending him, and you're throwing him under the bus, right?
Klain was quoted Feb 11. The first non travel recorded case in the USA 2 weeks later:
The first U.S. cases of nontravel–related COVID-19 were confirmed on February 26 and 28, 2020, suggesting that community transmission was occurring by late February.
Therefore, he was correct. tRUMP's plague had not broken out until 2 weeks after he was quoted when he said there was no actual plague in the USA.
I don't know what you're trying to prove here other than the fact that you are proving me correct which you done quite successfully.
And on Feb 24 Pelosi shows up in Chinatown to promote how safe it was and promote tourism and business.
A day before the travel ban was put into effect.
wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:44 am
sooo... you're saying knowing what he knows, klain shouldn't have said any of the things that he said over the following month plus? doesn't that make it worse?
great job diblasio standing up to the fear!
china's awesome!
bring in those chinese travelers!
these are needless fears about the coronavirus, shop and eat all day in chinatown!
it matters who cobbled together his own quotes? would it be better if i pulled all the tweets? you do understand i was defending him, and you're throwing him under the bus, right?
Klain was quoted Feb 11. The first non travel recorded case in the USA 2 weeks later:
The first U.S. cases of nontravel–related COVID-19 were confirmed on February 26 and 28, 2020, suggesting that community transmission was occurring by late February.
Therefore, he was correct. tRUMP's plague had not broken out until 2 weeks after he was quoted when he said there was no actual plague in the USA.
I don't know what you're trying to prove here other than the fact that you are proving me correct which you done quite successfully.
And on Feb 24 Pelosi shows up in Chinatown to promote how safe it was and promote tourism and business.
A day before the travel ban was put into effect.
Do we think that either Klain or Pelosi received the intelligence briefings Trump did?
And on Feb 24 Pelosi shows up in Chinatown to promote how safe it was and promote tourism and business.
A day before the travel ban was put into effect.
With tRUMP telling everybody that all is well.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:05 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
Roll the tape!
The most informed politician in The United States of America on COVID-19 at the time....
Claimed to be shocked that the flu kills between 25k-69k annually....300k in 10 months must have caused his head to explode
