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Re: The GOP, Its Past, Present and Future Direction

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:45 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
youthathletics wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:18 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:46 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:57 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:48 am
old salt wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:56 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:51 pm See what happens when a precedent is set for the greater bad. ;) gee...thanks Hillary and now Schiff.
The Secret Service couldn't get Obama to give up his Blackberry, so they tried to engineer a secure BB for him.
https://money.cnn.com/2014/05/22/techno ... index.html
The only problem, the person on the other end needed to use a similarly modified BB.
Bottom line -- unless both parties are on a STU III secure landline, you've got to trust the individuals not to disclose anything critical.
I'd trust Obama to do that. Trump & Hilary -- not so much.
Correct.
My VC fund invested in a company whose tech is now in use in a whole lot of secure peer to peer encrypted cell communications.

But it requires peer to peer.

Agree on 'trust' too.

youth, you do understand that Trump is simply saying he doesn't pay for the cell phone he uses?
He's using a 'personal' govt' issued cell phone (as opposed to secured and monitored land line) to make calls that aren't monitored, logged, much less listened into for transcription?

Any surprise that he doesn't pay for them???

CNN's reporting is accurate, Trump's trying to pretend otherwise.

But here's the question, is he really so dumb as to think that because the gov't issues a cell phone to him it's actually secure, or does he just think his voters are that dumb?
Who said the conversations he is having on the iPhone are or need to be secure in nature? Not defending him, just saying the iPhone may solely be used for immediate notifications/communication in order to pick up the red phone or go radio silent. Why is it you immediately want to throw him or anyone you do not agree with under a bus, and craftily attempt to call them stupid....just seems self righteous.
Who said it? The same people that said Hillary was wreck-less! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Is she a president? But since you brought her up, her server was not gov’t issued and hidden in a bathroom closet, setup by some overseas connected IT crook, then ‘wiped clean’ with a cloth. :lol:
Trump uses a Cricket phone. Is Trump Secretary of State?

Re: The GOP, Its Past, Present and Future Direction

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:02 pm
by youthathletics
:lol: :lol:

I hear HRC is now the owner of one of these from Life Alert.


Re: The GOP, Its Past, Present and Future Direction

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:51 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
youthathletics wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:02 pm :lol: :lol:

I hear HRC is now the owner of one of these from Life Alert.

Good thing she is out of government.

Re: The GOP, Its Past, Present and Future Direction

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:12 pm
by MDlaxfan76
youthathletics wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:18 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:46 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:57 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:48 am
old salt wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:56 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:51 pm See what happens when a precedent is set for the greater bad. ;) gee...thanks Hillary and now Schiff.
The Secret Service couldn't get Obama to give up his Blackberry, so they tried to engineer a secure BB for him.
https://money.cnn.com/2014/05/22/techno ... index.html
The only problem, the person on the other end needed to use a similarly modified BB.
Bottom line -- unless both parties are on a STU III secure landline, you've got to trust the individuals not to disclose anything critical.
I'd trust Obama to do that. Trump & Hilary -- not so much.
Correct.
My VC fund invested in a company whose tech is now in use in a whole lot of secure peer to peer encrypted cell communications.

But it requires peer to peer.

Agree on 'trust' too.

youth, you do understand that Trump is simply saying he doesn't pay for the cell phone he uses?
He's using a 'personal' govt' issued cell phone (as opposed to secured and monitored land line) to make calls that aren't monitored, logged, much less listened into for transcription?

Any surprise that he doesn't pay for them???

CNN's reporting is accurate, Trump's trying to pretend otherwise.

But here's the question, is he really so dumb as to think that because the gov't issues a cell phone to him it's actually secure, or does he just think his voters are that dumb?
Who said the conversations he is having on the iPhone are or need to be secure in nature? Not defending him, just saying the iPhone may solely be used for immediate notifications/communication in order to pick up the red phone or go radio silent. Why is it you immediately want to throw him or anyone you do not agree with under a bus, and craftily attempt to call them stupid....just seems self righteous.
Who said it? The same people that said Hillary was wreck-less! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Is she a president? But since you brought her up, her server was not gov’t issued and hidden in a bathroom closet, setup by some overseas connected IT crook, then ‘wiped clean’ with a cloth. :lol:
Whoa, are you saying that a President's conversations are Not more sensitive than a Secretary of State's???

Nah, foreign adversaries wouldn't have any interest in what the President says to his friends and allies in conversations he wants the official folks in the WH not to know about.

Come on. :roll:

We can walk and chew gum on this. HRC's private server and subsequent obstructive behavior was inappropriate and wrong, and I believe was one of a set of key factors in her not ultimately winning the White House, however it is absolutely ridiculous not to be outraged by this POTUS' flouting of security.

Let's be clear, members of the IC has said it is a near certainty that foreign adversaries are listening in on Trump's cell phone calls, at least those made to individuals without a peer to peer encryption system as Salty and I have discussed. The #1 target for surveillance of any adversary is the national leader, in our case POTUS. If he's making any unsecured comments to anyone, the janitor, adversaries are collecting and analyzing them. And they sure as heck are interested in what he has to say when he's trying to avoid call transcripts or even notification of conversations within the US official channels.

Clinton's server email use has been repeatedly analyzed and there is no evidence that, despite her inappropriate usage and presumably less secure situation, that she was actually ever hacked. That's no excuse for her choice, but it's remarkably different from what Trump has surely exposed.

Re: The GOP, Its Past, Present and Future Direction

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:25 pm
by youthathletics
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:12 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:18 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:46 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:57 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:48 am
old salt wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:56 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:51 pm See what happens when a precedent is set for the greater bad. ;) gee...thanks Hillary and now Schiff.
The Secret Service couldn't get Obama to give up his Blackberry, so they tried to engineer a secure BB for him.
https://money.cnn.com/2014/05/22/techno ... index.html
The only problem, the person on the other end needed to use a similarly modified BB.
Bottom line -- unless both parties are on a STU III secure landline, you've got to trust the individuals not to disclose anything critical.
I'd trust Obama to do that. Trump & Hilary -- not so much.
Correct.
My VC fund invested in a company whose tech is now in use in a whole lot of secure peer to peer encrypted cell communications.

But it requires peer to peer.

Agree on 'trust' too.

youth, you do understand that Trump is simply saying he doesn't pay for the cell phone he uses?
He's using a 'personal' govt' issued cell phone (as opposed to secured and monitored land line) to make calls that aren't monitored, logged, much less listened into for transcription?

Any surprise that he doesn't pay for them???

CNN's reporting is accurate, Trump's trying to pretend otherwise.

But here's the question, is he really so dumb as to think that because the gov't issues a cell phone to him it's actually secure, or does he just think his voters are that dumb?
Who said the conversations he is having on the iPhone are or need to be secure in nature? Not defending him, just saying the iPhone may solely be used for immediate notifications/communication in order to pick up the red phone or go radio silent. Why is it you immediately want to throw him or anyone you do not agree with under a bus, and craftily attempt to call them stupid....just seems self righteous.
Who said it? The same people that said Hillary was wreck-less! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Is she a president? But since you brought her up, her server was not gov’t issued and hidden in a bathroom closet, setup by some overseas connected IT crook, then ‘wiped clean’ with a cloth. :lol:
Whoa, are you saying that a President's conversations are Not more sensitive than a Secretary of State's???

Nah, foreign adversaries wouldn't have any interest in what the President says to his friends and allies in conversations he wants the official folks in the WH not to know about.

Come on. :roll:
No I am not saying that. I was comparing what she actually did, vs, what many are speculating with his iPhone.

Re: The GOP, Its Past, Present and Future Direction

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 pm
by MDlaxfan76
youthathletics wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:25 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:12 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:18 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:46 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:57 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:48 am
old salt wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:56 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:51 pm See what happens when a precedent is set for the greater bad. ;) gee...thanks Hillary and now Schiff.
The Secret Service couldn't get Obama to give up his Blackberry, so they tried to engineer a secure BB for him.
https://money.cnn.com/2014/05/22/techno ... index.html
The only problem, the person on the other end needed to use a similarly modified BB.
Bottom line -- unless both parties are on a STU III secure landline, you've got to trust the individuals not to disclose anything critical.
I'd trust Obama to do that. Trump & Hilary -- not so much.
Correct.
My VC fund invested in a company whose tech is now in use in a whole lot of secure peer to peer encrypted cell communications.

But it requires peer to peer.

Agree on 'trust' too.

youth, you do understand that Trump is simply saying he doesn't pay for the cell phone he uses?
He's using a 'personal' govt' issued cell phone (as opposed to secured and monitored land line) to make calls that aren't monitored, logged, much less listened into for transcription?

Any surprise that he doesn't pay for them???

CNN's reporting is accurate, Trump's trying to pretend otherwise.

But here's the question, is he really so dumb as to think that because the gov't issues a cell phone to him it's actually secure, or does he just think his voters are that dumb?
Who said the conversations he is having on the iPhone are or need to be secure in nature? Not defending him, just saying the iPhone may solely be used for immediate notifications/communication in order to pick up the red phone or go radio silent. Why is it you immediately want to throw him or anyone you do not agree with under a bus, and craftily attempt to call them stupid....just seems self righteous.
Who said it? The same people that said Hillary was wreck-less! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Is she a president? But since you brought her up, her server was not gov’t issued and hidden in a bathroom closet, setup by some overseas connected IT crook, then ‘wiped clean’ with a cloth. :lol:
Whoa, are you saying that a President's conversations are Not more sensitive than a Secretary of State's???

Nah, foreign adversaries wouldn't have any interest in what the President says to his friends and allies in conversations he wants the official folks in the WH not to know about.

Come on. :roll:
No I am not saying that. I was comparing what she actually did, vs, what many are speculating with his iPhone.
I added the following, but you hadn't yet seen this:

We can walk and chew gum on this. HRC's private server and subsequent obstructive behavior was inappropriate and wrong, and I believe was one of a set of key factors in her not ultimately winning the White House, however it is absolutely ridiculous not to be outraged by this POTUS' flouting of security.

Let's be clear, members of the IC has said it is a near certainty that foreign adversaries are listening in on Trump's cell phone calls, at least those made to individuals without a peer to peer encryption system as Salty and I have discussed. The #1 target for surveillance of any adversary is the national leader, in our case POTUS. If he's making any unsecured comments to anyone, the janitor, adversaries are collecting and analyzing them. And they sure as heck are interested in what he has to say when he's trying to avoid call transcripts or even notification of conversations within the US official channels.

Clinton's server email use has been repeatedly analyzed and there is no evidence that, despite her inappropriate usage and presumably less secure situation, that she was actually ever hacked. That's no excuse for her choice, but it's remarkably different from what Trump has surely exposed.

Re: The GOP, Its Past, Present and Future Direction

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:39 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
Hillary was bleaching her hair and then decided to bleach her server....

Re: The GOP, Its Past, Present and Future Direction

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:48 pm
by jhu72
So where are all the self righteous republicans telling us how terrible Muslims are. Every extremist attack by a white man is just a mental problem. Every Muslim attack is something else, evil of the worst kind perpetrated by an individual or group who hates use for ... etc. Religious fanaticism! So a Saudi national attacks and kills a number of Americans and wounds others, and there is no outrage, no comment, f.....g crickets by the outrage for lunch bunch. Your president is acting as the Saudi public relations officer over this affair - crickets from the outrage for lunch bunch. If Obama had done this, we would never hear the end of the outrage.

Hypocrite republican scum bags. All of you!

Re: The GOP, Its Past, Present and Future Direction

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:51 pm
by MDlaxfan76
jhu72 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:48 pm So where are all the self righteous republicans telling us how terrible Muslims are. Every extremist attack by a white man is just a mental problem. Every Muslim attack is something else, evil of the worst kind perpetrated by an individual or group who hates use for ... etc. Religious fanaticism! So a Saudi national attacks and kills a number of Americans and wounds others, and there is no outrage, no comment, f.....g crickets by the outrage for lunch bunch. Your president is acting as the Saudi public relations officer over this affair - crickets from the outrage for lunch bunch. If Obama had done this, we would never hear the end of the outrage.

Hypocrite republican scum bags. All of you!
nah, not all of us are hypocrites, nor scum.
But you're right about the Trumpists.
Pretty crazy isn't it?

Re: The GOP, Its Past, Present and Future Direction

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:55 pm
by jhu72
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:51 pm
jhu72 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:48 pm So where are all the self righteous republicans telling us how terrible Muslims are. Every extremist attack by a white man is just a mental problem. Every Muslim attack is something else, evil of the worst kind perpetrated by an individual or group who hates use for ... etc. Religious fanaticism! So a Saudi national attacks and kills a number of Americans and wounds others, and there is no outrage, no comment, f.....g crickets by the outrage for lunch bunch. Your president is acting as the Saudi public relations officer over this affair - crickets from the outrage for lunch bunch. If Obama had done this, we would never hear the end of the outrage.

Hypocrite republican scum bags. All of you!
nah, not all of us are hypocrites, nor scum.
But you're right about the Trumpists.
Pretty crazy isn't it?
Apologies to decent / sane republicans, a real minority of a minority. Why are you still a republican?

Re: The GOP, Its Past, Present and Future Direction

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:35 am
by holmes435
jhu72 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:55 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:51 pm
jhu72 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:48 pm So where are all the self righteous republicans telling us how terrible Muslims are. Every extremist attack by a white man is just a mental problem. Every Muslim attack is something else, evil of the worst kind perpetrated by an individual or group who hates use for ... etc. Religious fanaticism! So a Saudi national attacks and kills a number of Americans and wounds others, and there is no outrage, no comment, f.....g crickets by the outrage for lunch bunch. Your president is acting as the Saudi public relations officer over this affair - crickets from the outrage for lunch bunch. If Obama had done this, we would never hear the end of the outrage.

Hypocrite republican scum bags. All of you!
nah, not all of us are hypocrites, nor scum.
But you're right about the Trumpists.
Pretty crazy isn't it?
Apologies to decent / sane republicans, a real minority of a minority. Why are you still a republican?
Because he needs to be the bedrock of the party. There are tens of millions of decent Republicans out there. They can steer the party back towards right leaning as opposed to far-right and whatever compass point Trump is on. They are people who independents and Democrats can actually compromise with.

We need the reasonable portions of both parties to stop thinking they have no power and start voting in primaries. ( and to eliminate first-past-the-post elections that got Trump elected in the primary). If you make fun of and denigrate them, much like Bandito does anyone non-Trump, it creates divides.

We need to find common ground. AND NOW.

Re: The GOP, Its Past, Present and Future Direction

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:54 am
by jhu72
holmes435 wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:35 am
jhu72 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:55 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:51 pm
jhu72 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:48 pm So where are all the self righteous republicans telling us how terrible Muslims are. Every extremist attack by a white man is just a mental problem. Every Muslim attack is something else, evil of the worst kind perpetrated by an individual or group who hates use for ... etc. Religious fanaticism! So a Saudi national attacks and kills a number of Americans and wounds others, and there is no outrage, no comment, f.....g crickets by the outrage for lunch bunch. Your president is acting as the Saudi public relations officer over this affair - crickets from the outrage for lunch bunch. If Obama had done this, we would never hear the end of the outrage.

Hypocrite republican scum bags. All of you!
nah, not all of us are hypocrites, nor scum.
But you're right about the Trumpists.
Pretty crazy isn't it?
Apologies to decent / sane republicans, a real minority of a minority. Why are you still a republican?
Because he needs to be the bedrock of the party. There are tens of millions of decent Republicans out there. They can steer the party back towards right leaning as opposed to far-right and whatever compass point Trump is on. They are people who independents and Democrats can actually compromise with.

We need the reasonable portions of both parties to stop thinking they have no power and start voting in primaries. ( and to eliminate first-past-the-post elections that got Trump elected in the primary). If you make fun of and denigrate them, much like Bandito does anyone non-Trump, it creates divides.

We need to find common ground. AND NOW.
Mine is not a comment directed at MDlax or the other traditional moderate republicans on this site, of which there are a small number. These are good people. Nationally, there are a small number of these reasonable, sane republicans that recognize the truth of Donald Trump. But this number is very small and they seem to be doing far less to reclaim their party than the democrats are. We are nonetheless indebted to them. The vast majority of republicans in this country are about to be labeled mindless scum bags - BY THIER OWN ACTIONS or inaction. I for one will no longer give them the benefit of the doubt. I am certain I am not alone in feeling this way. It is time to fish or cut bait for these people. Do they support a democracy or not? I am tired of the excuses, the spin, the bull beans non-defense they offer for the scum bag in chief. It is about to move into the realm of this not being "just politics".

Re: The GOP, Its Past, Present and Future Direction

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:16 am
by MDlaxfan76
jhu72 wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:54 am
holmes435 wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:35 am
jhu72 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:55 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:51 pm
jhu72 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:48 pm So where are all the self righteous republicans telling us how terrible Muslims are. Every extremist attack by a white man is just a mental problem. Every Muslim attack is something else, evil of the worst kind perpetrated by an individual or group who hates use for ... etc. Religious fanaticism! So a Saudi national attacks and kills a number of Americans and wounds others, and there is no outrage, no comment, f.....g crickets by the outrage for lunch bunch. Your president is acting as the Saudi public relations officer over this affair - crickets from the outrage for lunch bunch. If Obama had done this, we would never hear the end of the outrage.

Hypocrite republican scum bags. All of you!
nah, not all of us are hypocrites, nor scum.
But you're right about the Trumpists.
Pretty crazy isn't it?
Apologies to decent / sane republicans, a real minority of a minority. Why are you still a republican?
Because he needs to be the bedrock of the party. There are tens of millions of decent Republicans out there. They can steer the party back towards right leaning as opposed to far-right and whatever compass point Trump is on. They are people who independents and Democrats can actually compromise with.

We need the reasonable portions of both parties to stop thinking they have no power and start voting in primaries. ( and to eliminate first-past-the-post elections that got Trump elected in the primary). If you make fun of and denigrate them, much like Bandito does anyone non-Trump, it creates divides.

We need to find common ground. AND NOW.
Mine is not a comment directed at MDlax or the other traditional moderate republicans on this site, of which there are a small number. These are good people. Nationally, there are a small number of these reasonable, sane republicans that recognize the truth of Donald Trump. But this number is very small and they seem to be doing far less to reclaim their party than the democrats are. We are nonetheless indebted to them. The vast majority of republicans in this country are about to be labeled mindless scum bags - BY THIER OWN ACTIONS or inaction. I for one will no longer give them the benefit of the doubt. I am certain I am not alone in feeling this way. It is time to fish or cut bait for these people. Do they support a democracy or not? I am tired of the excuses, the spin, the bull beans non-defense they offer for the scum bag in chief. It is about to move into the realm of this not being "just politics".
thanks Holmes.

Quite understandable, 72.
I assure you that the R's who constitute that small set who were never Trump supporters and yet remain registered R's (many have indeed unregistered) share your disgust at those R's who purported to see him as a con man, a cheat, a gross misogynist, a serial liar, a racist...etc yet have since gone all-in on Trumpism, including adoption of the most outrageous lies, regardless of damage to our democracy and general polity.

And for the true believers, it is truly cult-like behavior.

For the good of the country, the fever needs to break, and the hypocrites need to wash out.

I think that's going to take a sweeping, ignominious loss at the ballot box for the GOP, most importantly at the Presidency but also down the line. I'll be voting D in the national election for POTUS, no matter who the Dems put up from the current group (though I do care). I don't have many other options as a GOP voter in MD and my reliably D district, though I have happily supported our antiTrump kowtowing GOP Gov. I'll continue to support GOP folks who stand against Trumpism.

Beyond the 2020 election, however, I am concerned about the reality that those R's who are moderate in tone and policy, those who do work across the aisle, may be those most vulnerable to either be primaries or are those who are in purple states who will get beaten in such a landslide. That leaves an even more hardened minority in office. But if Trumpism is defeated ignominiously, the GOP will need to re-think quite a lot.

Trumpism has painted the GOP in an untenable demographic position, skewing to older, whiter, and less educated than Dems. Policies and hyperbole are all designed to inflame those constituents, damn the costs demographically to others.

Its unsustainable as a majority.

Watching Kevin McCarthy right now spit and spew. Came out of the box lying, claiming that "Schiff subpoenaed journalist phone records" Lie. Now just lied again about FBI "spying" on Trump Campaign.

He's the sort of guy who needs to lose, but likely won't in his gerrymandered district. Argghh.

Re: The GOP, Its Past, Present and Future Direction

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:18 pm
by cradleandshoot
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:16 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:54 am
holmes435 wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:35 am
jhu72 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:55 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:51 pm
jhu72 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:48 pm So where are all the self righteous republicans telling us how terrible Muslims are. Every extremist attack by a white man is just a mental problem. Every Muslim attack is something else, evil of the worst kind perpetrated by an individual or group who hates use for ... etc. Religious fanaticism! So a Saudi national attacks and kills a number of Americans and wounds others, and there is no outrage, no comment, f.....g crickets by the outrage for lunch bunch. Your president is acting as the Saudi public relations officer over this affair - crickets from the outrage for lunch bunch. If Obama had done this, we would never hear the end of the outrage.

Hypocrite republican scum bags. All of you!
nah, not all of us are hypocrites, nor scum.
But you're right about the Trumpists.
Pretty crazy isn't it?
Apologies to decent / sane republicans, a real minority of a minority. Why are you still a republican?
Because he needs to be the bedrock of the party. There are tens of millions of decent Republicans out there. They can steer the party back towards right leaning as opposed to far-right and whatever compass point Trump is on. They are people who independents and Democrats can actually compromise with.

We need the reasonable portions of both parties to stop thinking they have no power and start voting in primaries. ( and to eliminate first-past-the-post elections that got Trump elected in the primary). If you make fun of and denigrate them, much like Bandito does anyone non-Trump, it creates divides.

We need to find common ground. AND NOW.
Mine is not a comment directed at MDlax or the other traditional moderate republicans on this site, of which there are a small number. These are good people. Nationally, there are a small number of these reasonable, sane republicans that recognize the truth of Donald Trump. But this number is very small and they seem to be doing far less to reclaim their party than the democrats are. We are nonetheless indebted to them. The vast majority of republicans in this country are about to be labeled mindless scum bags - BY THIER OWN ACTIONS or inaction. I for one will no longer give them the benefit of the doubt. I am certain I am not alone in feeling this way. It is time to fish or cut bait for these people. Do they support a democracy or not? I am tired of the excuses, the spin, the bull beans non-defense they offer for the scum bag in chief. It is about to move into the realm of this not being "just politics".
thanks Holmes.

Quite understandable, 72.
I assure you that the R's who constitute that small set who were never Trump supporters and yet remain registered R's (many have indeed unregistered) share your disgust at those R's who purported to see him as a con man, a cheat, a gross misogynist, a serial liar, a racist...etc yet have since gone all-in on Trumpism, including adoption of the most outrageous lies, regardless of damage to our democracy and general polity.

And for the true believers, it is truly cult-like behavior.

For the good of the country, the fever needs to break, and the hypocrites need to wash out.

I think that's going to take a sweeping, ignominious loss at the ballot box for the GOP, most importantly at the Presidency but also down the line. I'll be voting D in the national election for POTUS, no matter who the Dems put up from the current group (though I do care). I don't have many other options as a GOP voter in MD and my reliably D district, though I have happily supported our antiTrump kowtowing GOP Gov. I'll continue to support GOP folks who stand against Trumpism.

Beyond the 2020 election, however, I am concerned about the reality that those R's who are moderate in tone and policy, those who do work across the aisle, may be those most vulnerable to either be primaries or are those who are in purple states who will get beaten in such a landslide. That leaves an even more hardened minority in office. But if Trumpism is defeated ignominiously, the GOP will need to re-think quite a lot.

Trumpism has painted the GOP in an untenable demographic position, skewing to older, whiter, and less educated than Dems. Policies and hyperbole are all designed to inflame those constituents, damn the costs demographically to others.

Its unsustainable as a majority.

Watching Kevin McCarthy right now spit and spew. Came out of the box lying, claiming that "Schiff subpoenaed journalist phone records" Lie. Now just lied again about FBI "spying" on Trump Campaign.

He's the sort of guy who needs to lose, but likely won't in his gerrymandered district. Argghh.
That is quite the bear hug 72 gave you. You may want to check and see if your wallet is still there. :lol:
What is the definition of a sane and rational Republcan? What is the definition of a sane and rational Democrat?

Re: The GOP, Its Past, Present and Future Direction

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:35 pm
by MDlaxfan76
cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:18 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:16 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:54 am
holmes435 wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:35 am
jhu72 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:55 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:51 pm
jhu72 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:48 pm So where are all the self righteous republicans telling us how terrible Muslims are. Every extremist attack by a white man is just a mental problem. Every Muslim attack is something else, evil of the worst kind perpetrated by an individual or group who hates use for ... etc. Religious fanaticism! So a Saudi national attacks and kills a number of Americans and wounds others, and there is no outrage, no comment, f.....g crickets by the outrage for lunch bunch. Your president is acting as the Saudi public relations officer over this affair - crickets from the outrage for lunch bunch. If Obama had done this, we would never hear the end of the outrage.

Hypocrite republican scum bags. All of you!
nah, not all of us are hypocrites, nor scum.
But you're right about the Trumpists.
Pretty crazy isn't it?
Apologies to decent / sane republicans, a real minority of a minority. Why are you still a republican?
Because he needs to be the bedrock of the party. There are tens of millions of decent Republicans out there. They can steer the party back towards right leaning as opposed to far-right and whatever compass point Trump is on. They are people who independents and Democrats can actually compromise with.

We need the reasonable portions of both parties to stop thinking they have no power and start voting in primaries. ( and to eliminate first-past-the-post elections that got Trump elected in the primary). If you make fun of and denigrate them, much like Bandito does anyone non-Trump, it creates divides.

We need to find common ground. AND NOW.
Mine is not a comment directed at MDlax or the other traditional moderate republicans on this site, of which there are a small number. These are good people. Nationally, there are a small number of these reasonable, sane republicans that recognize the truth of Donald Trump. But this number is very small and they seem to be doing far less to reclaim their party than the democrats are. We are nonetheless indebted to them. The vast majority of republicans in this country are about to be labeled mindless scum bags - BY THIER OWN ACTIONS or inaction. I for one will no longer give them the benefit of the doubt. I am certain I am not alone in feeling this way. It is time to fish or cut bait for these people. Do they support a democracy or not? I am tired of the excuses, the spin, the bull beans non-defense they offer for the scum bag in chief. It is about to move into the realm of this not being "just politics".
thanks Holmes.

Quite understandable, 72.
I assure you that the R's who constitute that small set who were never Trump supporters and yet remain registered R's (many have indeed unregistered) share your disgust at those R's who purported to see him as a con man, a cheat, a gross misogynist, a serial liar, a racist...etc yet have since gone all-in on Trumpism, including adoption of the most outrageous lies, regardless of damage to our democracy and general polity.

And for the true believers, it is truly cult-like behavior.

For the good of the country, the fever needs to break, and the hypocrites need to wash out.

I think that's going to take a sweeping, ignominious loss at the ballot box for the GOP, most importantly at the Presidency but also down the line. I'll be voting D in the national election for POTUS, no matter who the Dems put up from the current group (though I do care). I don't have many other options as a GOP voter in MD and my reliably D district, though I have happily supported our antiTrump kowtowing GOP Gov. I'll continue to support GOP folks who stand against Trumpism.

Beyond the 2020 election, however, I am concerned about the reality that those R's who are moderate in tone and policy, those who do work across the aisle, may be those most vulnerable to either be primaries or are those who are in purple states who will get beaten in such a landslide. That leaves an even more hardened minority in office. But if Trumpism is defeated ignominiously, the GOP will need to re-think quite a lot.

Trumpism has painted the GOP in an untenable demographic position, skewing to older, whiter, and less educated than Dems. Policies and hyperbole are all designed to inflame those constituents, damn the costs demographically to others.

Its unsustainable as a majority.

Watching Kevin McCarthy right now spit and spew. Came out of the box lying, claiming that "Schiff subpoenaed journalist phone records" Lie. Now just lied again about FBI "spying" on Trump Campaign.

He's the sort of guy who needs to lose, but likely won't in his gerrymandered district. Argghh.
That is quite the bear hug 72 gave you. You may want to check and see if your wallet is still there. :lol:
What is the definition of a sane and rational Republcan? What is the definition of a sane and rational Democrat?
I took it as much as grudging acceptance than a ‘bear hug’ , cradle.

To your question, he used the phrase “reasonable and sane” not “sane and rational”, however perhaps the immediately following phrase of “that recognize the truth of Donald Trump”.

I’d say that such recognition can come for a D or an R, but it’s not a sanity test for a D. It is for an R.

Re: The GOP, Its Past, Present and Future Direction

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:54 pm
by youthathletics
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:35 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:18 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:16 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:54 am
holmes435 wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:35 am
jhu72 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:55 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:51 pm
jhu72 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:48 pm So where are all the self righteous republicans telling us how terrible Muslims are. Every extremist attack by a white man is just a mental problem. Every Muslim attack is something else, evil of the worst kind perpetrated by an individual or group who hates use for ... etc. Religious fanaticism! So a Saudi national attacks and kills a number of Americans and wounds others, and there is no outrage, no comment, f.....g crickets by the outrage for lunch bunch. Your president is acting as the Saudi public relations officer over this affair - crickets from the outrage for lunch bunch. If Obama had done this, we would never hear the end of the outrage.

Hypocrite republican scum bags. All of you!
nah, not all of us are hypocrites, nor scum.
But you're right about the Trumpists.
Pretty crazy isn't it?
Apologies to decent / sane republicans, a real minority of a minority. Why are you still a republican?
Because he needs to be the bedrock of the party. There are tens of millions of decent Republicans out there. They can steer the party back towards right leaning as opposed to far-right and whatever compass point Trump is on. They are people who independents and Democrats can actually compromise with.

We need the reasonable portions of both parties to stop thinking they have no power and start voting in primaries. ( and to eliminate first-past-the-post elections that got Trump elected in the primary). If you make fun of and denigrate them, much like Bandito does anyone non-Trump, it creates divides.

We need to find common ground. AND NOW.
Mine is not a comment directed at MDlax or the other traditional moderate republicans on this site, of which there are a small number. These are good people. Nationally, there are a small number of these reasonable, sane republicans that recognize the truth of Donald Trump. But this number is very small and they seem to be doing far less to reclaim their party than the democrats are. We are nonetheless indebted to them. The vast majority of republicans in this country are about to be labeled mindless scum bags - BY THIER OWN ACTIONS or inaction. I for one will no longer give them the benefit of the doubt. I am certain I am not alone in feeling this way. It is time to fish or cut bait for these people. Do they support a democracy or not? I am tired of the excuses, the spin, the bull beans non-defense they offer for the scum bag in chief. It is about to move into the realm of this not being "just politics".
thanks Holmes.

Quite understandable, 72.
I assure you that the R's who constitute that small set who were never Trump supporters and yet remain registered R's (many have indeed unregistered) share your disgust at those R's who purported to see him as a con man, a cheat, a gross misogynist, a serial liar, a racist...etc yet have since gone all-in on Trumpism, including adoption of the most outrageous lies, regardless of damage to our democracy and general polity.

And for the true believers, it is truly cult-like behavior.

For the good of the country, the fever needs to break, and the hypocrites need to wash out.

I think that's going to take a sweeping, ignominious loss at the ballot box for the GOP, most importantly at the Presidency but also down the line. I'll be voting D in the national election for POTUS, no matter who the Dems put up from the current group (though I do care). I don't have many other options as a GOP voter in MD and my reliably D district, though I have happily supported our antiTrump kowtowing GOP Gov. I'll continue to support GOP folks who stand against Trumpism.

Beyond the 2020 election, however, I am concerned about the reality that those R's who are moderate in tone and policy, those who do work across the aisle, may be those most vulnerable to either be primaries or are those who are in purple states who will get beaten in such a landslide. That leaves an even more hardened minority in office. But if Trumpism is defeated ignominiously, the GOP will need to re-think quite a lot.

Trumpism has painted the GOP in an untenable demographic position, skewing to older, whiter, and less educated than Dems. Policies and hyperbole are all designed to inflame those constituents, damn the costs demographically to others.

Its unsustainable as a majority.

Watching Kevin McCarthy right now spit and spew. Came out of the box lying, claiming that "Schiff subpoenaed journalist phone records" Lie. Now just lied again about FBI "spying" on Trump Campaign.

He's the sort of guy who needs to lose, but likely won't in his gerrymandered district. Argghh.
That is quite the bear hug 72 gave you. You may want to check and see if your wallet is still there. :lol:
What is the definition of a sane and rational Republcan? What is the definition of a sane and rational Democrat?
I took it as much as grudging acceptance than a ‘bear hug’ , cradle.

To your question, he used the phrase “reasonable and sane” not “sane and rational”, however perhaps the immediately following phrase of “that recognize the truth of Donald Trump”.

I’d say that such recognition can come for a D or an R, but it’s not a sanity test for a D. It is for an R.
It is lovely seeing the tolerance of the left on display. If not for double standards....they'd have none. :lol:

Re: The GOP, Its Past, Present and Future Direction

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:07 pm
by old salt
jhu72 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:48 pm So where are all the self righteous republicans telling us how terrible Muslims are. Every extremist attack by a white man is just a mental problem. Every Muslim attack is something else, evil of the worst kind perpetrated by an individual or group who hates use for ... etc. Religious fanaticism! So a Saudi national attacks and kills a number of Americans and wounds others, and there is no outrage, no comment, f.....g crickets by the outrage for lunch bunch. Your president is acting as the Saudi public relations officer over this affair - crickets from the outrage for lunch bunch. If Obama had done this, we would never hear the end of the outrage.

Hypocrite republican scum bags. All of you!
Pay close attention to what Gen Barry McCaffery tells Brian Williams
@ 37:15 ==> http://www.msnbc.com/11th-hour-with-bri ... 19-episode
about the importance of Saudi Arabia as an ally & the value of the US training their military personnel.
Revealing the way scum bags rush to politicize & exploit tragedy.
Let the FBI complete their profile of the shooter before mounting Max Boot on his high horse.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

Re: The GOP, Its Past, Present and Future Direction

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:21 pm
by MDlaxfan76
youthathletics wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:54 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:35 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:18 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:16 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:54 am
holmes435 wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:35 am
jhu72 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:55 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:51 pm
jhu72 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:48 pm So where are all the self righteous republicans telling us how terrible Muslims are. Every extremist attack by a white man is just a mental problem. Every Muslim attack is something else, evil of the worst kind perpetrated by an individual or group who hates use for ... etc. Religious fanaticism! So a Saudi national attacks and kills a number of Americans and wounds others, and there is no outrage, no comment, f.....g crickets by the outrage for lunch bunch. Your president is acting as the Saudi public relations officer over this affair - crickets from the outrage for lunch bunch. If Obama had done this, we would never hear the end of the outrage.

Hypocrite republican scum bags. All of you!
nah, not all of us are hypocrites, nor scum.
But you're right about the Trumpists.
Pretty crazy isn't it?
Apologies to decent / sane republicans, a real minority of a minority. Why are you still a republican?
Because he needs to be the bedrock of the party. There are tens of millions of decent Republicans out there. They can steer the party back towards right leaning as opposed to far-right and whatever compass point Trump is on. They are people who independents and Democrats can actually compromise with.

We need the reasonable portions of both parties to stop thinking they have no power and start voting in primaries. ( and to eliminate first-past-the-post elections that got Trump elected in the primary). If you make fun of and denigrate them, much like Bandito does anyone non-Trump, it creates divides.

We need to find common ground. AND NOW.
Mine is not a comment directed at MDlax or the other traditional moderate republicans on this site, of which there are a small number. These are good people. Nationally, there are a small number of these reasonable, sane republicans that recognize the truth of Donald Trump. But this number is very small and they seem to be doing far less to reclaim their party than the democrats are. We are nonetheless indebted to them. The vast majority of republicans in this country are about to be labeled mindless scum bags - BY THIER OWN ACTIONS or inaction. I for one will no longer give them the benefit of the doubt. I am certain I am not alone in feeling this way. It is time to fish or cut bait for these people. Do they support a democracy or not? I am tired of the excuses, the spin, the bull beans non-defense they offer for the scum bag in chief. It is about to move into the realm of this not being "just politics".
thanks Holmes.

Quite understandable, 72.
I assure you that the R's who constitute that small set who were never Trump supporters and yet remain registered R's (many have indeed unregistered) share your disgust at those R's who purported to see him as a con man, a cheat, a gross misogynist, a serial liar, a racist...etc yet have since gone all-in on Trumpism, including adoption of the most outrageous lies, regardless of damage to our democracy and general polity.

And for the true believers, it is truly cult-like behavior.

For the good of the country, the fever needs to break, and the hypocrites need to wash out.

I think that's going to take a sweeping, ignominious loss at the ballot box for the GOP, most importantly at the Presidency but also down the line. I'll be voting D in the national election for POTUS, no matter who the Dems put up from the current group (though I do care). I don't have many other options as a GOP voter in MD and my reliably D district, though I have happily supported our antiTrump kowtowing GOP Gov. I'll continue to support GOP folks who stand against Trumpism.

Beyond the 2020 election, however, I am concerned about the reality that those R's who are moderate in tone and policy, those who do work across the aisle, may be those most vulnerable to either be primaries or are those who are in purple states who will get beaten in such a landslide. That leaves an even more hardened minority in office. But if Trumpism is defeated ignominiously, the GOP will need to re-think quite a lot.

Trumpism has painted the GOP in an untenable demographic position, skewing to older, whiter, and less educated than Dems. Policies and hyperbole are all designed to inflame those constituents, damn the costs demographically to others.

Its unsustainable as a majority.

Watching Kevin McCarthy right now spit and spew. Came out of the box lying, claiming that "Schiff subpoenaed journalist phone records" Lie. Now just lied again about FBI "spying" on Trump Campaign.

He's the sort of guy who needs to lose, but likely won't in his gerrymandered district. Argghh.
That is quite the bear hug 72 gave you. You may want to check and see if your wallet is still there. :lol:
What is the definition of a sane and rational Republcan? What is the definition of a sane and rational Democrat?
I took it as much as grudging acceptance than a ‘bear hug’ , cradle.

To your question, he used the phrase “reasonable and sane” not “sane and rational”, however perhaps the immediately following phrase of “that recognize the truth of Donald Trump”.

I’d say that such recognition can come for a D or an R, but it’s not a sanity test for a D. It is for an R.
It is lovely seeing the tolerance of the left on display. If not for double standards....they'd have none. :lol:
Not sure you understood my point, youth.

It's indeed 'insane' not to recognize that Trump is indeed as I'd described him.
But we can expect Dems to not like him, whether 'sane' or otherwise.

A more analogous 'sanity test' might be someone who thinks that Hillary and Bill doing speeches at Wall Street events didn't look bad, or that her having a private server and then doing the 'scrubbing' etc was all just hunky dory or that Bill isn't (or wasn't) a complete dog when it came to women...gotta be 'insane' not to recognize those realities, but of course some Bill and Hillary supporters denied those realities full throat.

Re: The GOP, Its Past, Present and Future Direction

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:23 pm
by MDlaxfan76
old salt wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:07 pm
jhu72 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:48 pm So where are all the self righteous republicans telling us how terrible Muslims are. Every extremist attack by a white man is just a mental problem. Every Muslim attack is something else, evil of the worst kind perpetrated by an individual or group who hates use for ... etc. Religious fanaticism! So a Saudi national attacks and kills a number of Americans and wounds others, and there is no outrage, no comment, f.....g crickets by the outrage for lunch bunch. Your president is acting as the Saudi public relations officer over this affair - crickets from the outrage for lunch bunch. If Obama had done this, we would never hear the end of the outrage.

Hypocrite republican scum bags. All of you!
Pay close attention to what Gen Barry McCaffery tells Brian Williams
@ 37:15 ==> http://www.msnbc.com/11th-hour-with-bri ... 19-episode
about the importance of Saudi Arabia as an ally & the value of the US training their military personnel.
Revealing the way scum bags rush to politicize & exploit tragedy.
Let the FBI complete their profile of the shooter before mounting Max Boot on his high horse.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html
No doubt.
But the hypocrisy is that you and a whole bunch of others wouldn't be saying any of that with Obama in the Oval Office.

Nope, the screaming would be about "Islam is evil".

Re: The GOP, Its Past, Present and Future Direction

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:39 pm
by Trinity
The Republican Senate is going to leave for the holidays without passing USMCA. December tenth, time to wash up.