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Re: 2020 Elections - On Deck

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:00 pm
by foreverlax
genesrfree wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:53 am
foreverlax wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:38 am
genesrfree wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:30 pm
foreverlax wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:10 pm
genesrfree wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:12 pm
foreverlax wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:24 pm
But, this is the new face of the Democrats, Medicare for all, no Borders, pro-abortion, increase taxes, take our guns, more handouts
Medicare for all - maybe

No borders - inaccurate-nope what is the democrats plan to secure our borders??? Sensors and drones-stupid and you know it.

Pro-Abortion - maybe, but more like no my decision,- not your decision, Governor Cuomo's and the two left coasts.

Increase taxes - how do you expect to pay for the wall? Funny, but all the illegal immigrants the democrats will allow in need a place to live, food, educations...you know the drill

Take our guns - no, absolutely semi-automatic guns, listen to your gal, K. Harris, that's the beginning, then we end like Nazi Germany.

More handouts - both sides give stuff out. Not like democrats, they gave out my social security!!


And we have a new player!!!

If the Ds are for open borders, show me the link.

Abortion is settled law.

Increase taxes - you don't like our immigration policy, fix it. Kicking the can doesn't fix it. Nothing to do with taxes.

Guns - not one thing has happened to gun rights since the Rs started crying about BHO taking them away.

You do understand the the Rs aren't fiscally conservative....if not, stick around and you can get some learning.


We have a new player- you’re funny and pompous, must think you’re the thread genius! I’ll just make one point, because arguing with liberals is a boring endeavor. Abortion is settled law-is what’s going on in New York and Virginia okay with you?


Specifically, what is the question....


NY and VA have passed bills allowing third trimester abortions, VA was discussing yesterday that even if the baby is born, they could still kill the baby. I certainly can empathize with people who have to make gut wrenching decisions because of abnormalities with their child, but the language contains other words like emotional stress. SO, they've expanded the definition of abortion to include the last 3 months, at this point you're dealing with a developed child. In my mind it is infanticide. Democratic Governor-NY, Democratic Governor-Virginia...Democratic position! Do you support this?


What you are describing, no.

Re: 2020 Elections - On Deck

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:16 pm
by CU77
If these docs don't know what the rates will be, then they are being willfully ignorant. All they need to do is call up some of their fellow docs who take Medicare patients, and ask them what the Medicare reimbursement rate is.

Re: 2020 Elections - On Deck

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:26 pm
by runrussellrun
cradle,

at the end of the day, what matters most, is what kind of cut does your wife see out of that $1500, per procedure?

Similar to a relative who wanted to be a mechanic, got trained and worked at the BMW dealer for three years, getting a laughable hourly wage of $15 an hour, while charging TLD's neighbors (fairfield county) bmw owners $165 an hour. That $150 remaining goes to overhead?

THIS.....is part of what is wrong with this country.

Re: 2020 Elections - On Deck

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:50 pm
by foreverlax
runrussellrun wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:26 pm cradle,

at the end of the day, what matters most, is what kind of cut does your wife see out of that $1500, per procedure?

Similar to a relative who wanted to be a mechanic, got trained and worked at the BMW dealer for three years, getting a laughable hourly wage of $15 an hour, while charging TLD's neighbors (fairfield county) bmw owners $165 an hour. That $150 remaining goes to overhead?

THIS.....is part of what is wrong with this country.
Really? Thought that was capitalism, free markets, and small biz ownership.

Re: 2020 Elections - On Deck

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:12 pm
by runrussellrun
foreverlax wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:50 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:26 pm cradle,

at the end of the day, what matters most, is what kind of cut does your wife see out of that $1500, per procedure?

Similar to a relative who wanted to be a mechanic, got trained and worked at the BMW dealer for three years, getting a laughable hourly wage of $15 an hour, while charging TLD's neighbors (fairfield county) bmw owners $165 an hour. That $150 remaining goes to overhead?

THIS.....is part of what is wrong with this country.
Really? Thought that was capitalism, free markets, and small biz ownership.
Is it free market if the Sikorsky helicopter exec or Chicago cop pension fund manager (both rely on tax dollars ) purchases a bmw? Or, does the "free market" kick in when the tax payer funded healthcare plan for u of rochester (yeah yeah, private ....don't get any federal tax research welfare grants, though, right? )

Regardless of revenue origin........the relative LEFT the bmw dealer to work at a place that pays him $40 an hour....full benefits. Free market worked, write/

Re: 2020 Elections - On Deck

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:53 pm
by cradleandshoot
CU77 wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:16 pm If these docs don't know what the rates will be, then they are being willfully ignorant. All they need to do is call up some of their fellow docs who take Medicare patients, and ask them what the Medicare reimbursement rate is.
Hogwash... nobody knows what the new rates will be. You are trying to make an apples to watermelons comparison. They can guess what the rates will be but that will not pay the bills. These doctors also have PA's that work with them plus the rest of their office staff. How can you be "willfully ignorant" of anything coming down the pike from the truly willfully ignorant people that run Washington DC? You graduated ivy league there skippy. Your brain may need to jump out of your noggin and start knocking out some pushups. Outside of their skills as doctors both doctors are very astute business men. They are well aware of the potential pitfalls that morons like Kamala Harris plan on dropping on them. That is if the morons get the opportunity to inflict their myopic vision on the country. :P

Re: 2020 Elections - On Deck

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:59 pm
by cradleandshoot
runrussellrun wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:26 pm cradle,

at the end of the day, what matters most, is what kind of cut does your wife see out of that $1500, per procedure?

Similar to a relative who wanted to be a mechanic, got trained and worked at the BMW dealer for three years, getting a laughable hourly wage of $15 an hour, while charging TLD's neighbors (fairfield county) bmw owners $165 an hour. That $150 remaining goes to overhead?

THIS.....is part of what is wrong with this country.
Triple R, my wife does not work directly for these doctors. She works for the surgical center that they do their procedures out of. She has known both doctors for a very long time. She worked with both of them at the former Genesee Hospital in Rochester.

Re: 2020 Elections - On Deck

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:46 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
runrussellrun wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:26 pm cradle,

at the end of the day, what matters most, is what kind of cut does your wife see out of that $1500, per procedure?

Similar to a relative who wanted to be a mechanic, got trained and worked at the BMW dealer for three years, getting a laughable hourly wage of $15 an hour, while charging TLD's neighbors (fairfield county) bmw owners $165 an hour. That $150 remaining goes to overhead?

THIS.....is part of what is wrong with this country.
BMW? Just saw a Bentayga yesterday....must be bonus time.

Re: 2020 Elections - On Deck

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:02 am
by seacoaster
The Times's David Brooks on Harris:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/31/opin ... e=Homepage

"Harris is very much a product of the highly educated progressive coastal elite. Her father is a professor at Stanford. Her mother, who was a breast cancer researcher, got her Ph.D. at 25. Harris grew up with ballet, violin, French horn and perfectionism.

She went to a prestigious school (Howard), was president of various student organizations and got great internships (Federal Trade Commission, U.S. Senate) before going to law school, zooming up the political ladder and marrying a partner at a prestigious law firm. She is famously comfortable in rooms of the very wealthy.

But in deciding to work as a prosecutor — rather than going to a law firm — Harris was immersing herself in the gritty world the rest of the achievatrons were rising away from. Working as a prosecutor put her in touch with a world in which brothers sexually abuse their 6-year-old sisters, in which a man literally scalps his girlfriend in a domestic dispute, in which parents are too financially stressed and personally strained to have the time to make sure their kids go to school.

The criminal justice system is an adversarial system, and it seems to have trained her in the art of confrontation. She developed what Benjamin Wallace-Wells of The New Yorker called an “eye for an enemy” — the ability to spot the villain in any situation.

In her memoir, “The Truths We Hold,” she describes her political campaigns as a series of hard-fought battles against tough foes. She ran for San Francisco district attorney against her former boss, whose nickname was Kayo (pronounced “K.O.”), for all the people he knocked out. But she beat him.

Gary Delagnes, a former head of the city’s police union, told Politico that he was standing at a party before that campaign when Harris put a finger in his chest and said: “You better endorse me, you better endorse me. You get it?” Delagnes interpreted that as: I’m going to be a player here. You better get on board. He went on to tell Politico: “She’s an intelligent person. She is a — let’s see, I better pick this word carefully: ruthless.”

Harris was a beneficiary of the machine of the California political giant Willie Brown, who she briefly dated. Brown appointed her to the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board and the California Medical Assistance Commission, both of which paid comfortable salaries.

That association has haunted her over the years, but Harris made it clear at one forum that there is no way she’s going to bend if Brown or his allies try to influence her. “You just make them understand that if they’re going to try to hurt you, they’re going to get hurt more.”

The comments to the online article are pretty interesting.

Re: 2020 Elections - On Deck

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:02 am
by runrussellrun
Thank you for mentioning that Kamalia dated her MARRIED boss, 30 years older than her. And got a job as a result of that affair.

But, she channels her inner Winthrop Chandler and paints folk art well.

Where do the pretend liberals find such "quality" people?

Re: 2020 Elections - On Deck

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:08 am
by foreverlax
The moral bar is on the ground...if you can over it, you are good to go, regardless of your political party.

Re: 2020 Elections - On Deck

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:27 am
by runrussellrun
foreverlax wrote: Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:08 am The moral bar is on the ground...if you can over it, you are good to go, regardless of your political party.
Sad, if you actually believe that.

Paul Weiss, et al, gave Kamalia Harris some sweet coin in her paltry fundraising efforts. ($20 million, way more than others )
Is this the same law firm that the NY times called out for LACK of diversity?

Re: 2020 Elections - On Deck

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:11 am
by Typical Lax Dad
runrussellrun wrote: Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:27 am
foreverlax wrote: Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:08 am The moral bar is on the ground...if you can over it, you are good to go, regardless of your political party.
Sad, if you actually believe that.

Paul Weiss, et al, gave Kamalia Harris some sweet coin in her paltry fundraising efforts. ($20 million, way more than others )
Is this the same law firm that the NY times called out for LACK of diversity?
Yes its the same firm:
Paul, Weiss, with its 144 partners and about 1,000 lawyers, is, in fact, more diverse at the partner level than most of its peers. It has more African-American partners with an ownership stake, six, than a large majority of the country’s 200 biggest firms, and far more than elite competitors like Cravath, Debevoise & Plimpton and Davis Polk. We can all do better.

Re: 2020 Elections - On Deck

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:15 am
by foreverlax
runrussellrun wrote: Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:27 am
foreverlax wrote: Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:08 am The moral bar is on the ground...if you can over it, you are good to go, regardless of your political party.
Sad, if you actually believe that.

Paul Weiss, et al, gave Kamalia Harris some sweet coin in her paltry fundraising efforts. ($20 million, way more than others )
Is this the same law firm that the NY times called out for LACK of diversity?
It is sad....hard to not beleive that considering the current landscape. Look no further then Trump when it comes to leading lack of morality in DC

Re: 2020 Elections - On Deck

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:45 am
by ToastDunk
Attacking Kamala on a moral front, now that's rich.

Re: 2020 Elections - On Deck

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:06 am
by cradleandshoot
seacoaster wrote: Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:02 am The Times's David Brooks on Harris:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/31/opin ... e=Homepage

"Harris is very much a product of the highly educated progressive coastal elite. Her father is a professor at Stanford. Her mother, who was a breast cancer researcher, got her Ph.D. at 25. Harris grew up with ballet, violin, French horn and perfectionism.

She went to a prestigious school (Howard), was president of various student organizations and got great internships (Federal Trade Commission, U.S. Senate) before going to law school, zooming up the political ladder and marrying a partner at a prestigious law firm. She is famously comfortable in rooms of the very wealthy.

But in deciding to work as a prosecutor — rather than going to a law firm — Harris was immersing herself in the gritty world the rest of the achievatrons were rising away from. Working as a prosecutor put her in touch with a world in which brothers sexually abuse their 6-year-old sisters, in which a man literally scalps his girlfriend in a domestic dispute, in which parents are too financially stressed and personally strained to have the time to make sure their kids go to school.

The criminal justice system is an adversarial system, and it seems to have trained her in the art of confrontation. She developed what Benjamin Wallace-Wells of The New Yorker called an “eye for an enemy” — the ability to spot the villain in any situation.

In her memoir, “The Truths We Hold,” she describes her political campaigns as a series of hard-fought battles against tough foes. She ran for San Francisco district attorney against her former boss, whose nickname was Kayo (pronounced “K.O.”), for all the people he knocked out. But she beat him.

Gary Delagnes, a former head of the city’s police union, told Politico that he was standing at a party before that campaign when Harris put a finger in his chest and said: “You better endorse me, you better endorse me. You get it?” Delagnes interpreted that as: I’m going to be a player here. You better get on board. He went on to tell Politico: “She’s an intelligent person. She is a — let’s see, I better pick this word carefully: ruthless.”

Harris was a beneficiary of the machine of the California political giant Willie Brown, who she briefly dated. Brown appointed her to the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board and the California Medical Assistance Commission, both of which paid comfortable salaries.

That association has haunted her over the years, but Harris made it clear at one forum that there is no way she’s going to bend if Brown or his allies try to influence her. “You just make them understand that if they’re going to try to hurt you, they’re going to get hurt more.”

The comments to the online article are pretty interesting.
Kamala is not a dumb person by any stretch of the imagination. Sometimes you get caught up in the moment and forget what it is you are saying. I was dumb founded when I heard her say nobody can have private insurance... you have to take what the government is going to give you. Her biggest mistake is not that is what she meant. The problem is she let the cat out of the bag. She chose a very bad time to be honest and blunt. There is no more if you like your doctor you keep your doctor, if you like your plan you can keep your plan. She will have none of that sheepdip. Her plan is like when you were a kid and your mom made you eat your spinach. Mom would say your gonna eat it and your gonna like it. Just like your mom Kamala knows what is best for you. Even if it makes you choke and puke damn it you are gonna eat it.

Re: 2020 Elections - On Deck

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:19 am
by foreverlax
"There is no more if you like your doctor you keep your doctor"

You can keep your doctor, you just may have to pay him directly and accept what the insurance company gives you...

What happens when your current doc makes the decision to no longer accept Medicare patients. Then what are you going to do?

Re: 2020 Elections - On Deck

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:25 am
by Typical Lax Dad

Re: 2020 Elections - On Deck

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:28 pm
by cradleandshoot
foreverlax wrote: Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:19 am "There is no more if you like your doctor you keep your doctor"

You can keep your doctor, you just may have to pay him directly and accept what the insurance company gives you...

What happens when your current doc makes the decision to no longer accept Medicare patients. Then what are you going to do?
My doctor will retire long before that happens. He has not taken on new patients in a long time. Most of his patients like me are boomers. He does not charge an arm and a leg for an office visit. He is not out to get rich, he has done quite well. He is just an old fashioned GP who is good at what he does and he keeps the practice of medicine very uncomplicated for his patients. I am more than satisfied with my doctor and my plan. Kamala Harris can go put on her superwoman cape and go save the rest of the planet. I am the stage of my life where I just want all of you FLP folks to just leave me the hell alone and go bother somebody else. Go take your moral crusade some place else thank you very much. Wait... moral is probably the wrong word. :roll:

Re: 2020 Elections - On Deck

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:55 am
by old salt
Cory's making a play for the " ...some of my best friends vote."

Kamala's campaign will give him the Uncle Tom treatment.