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Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 2:41 pm**

Adler isn’t hype,

he’s a lacrosse savant,

someone posted the players he has shut down from prior games,
it was a pretty dramatic testament.

I’d assume he was last out, and they couldn’t justify Adler because for defense, the stats just aren’t there compared to attack.

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 3:34 pm**

10stone5 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 2:41 pm Adler isn’t hype,

he’s a lacrosse savant,

someone posted the players he has shut down from prior games,
it was a pretty dramatic testament.

I’d assume he was last out, and they couldn’t justify Adler because for defense, the stats just aren’t there compared to attack.

Gavin has 59 GBs and 21 CTs. By comparison, Bowen has 28 CTs but only 21 GBs.

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 3:45 pm**

laxfan1313 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 3:34 pm
10stone5 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 2:41 pm Adler isn’t hype,

he’s a lacrosse savant,

someone posted the players he has shut down from prior games,
it was a pretty dramatic testament.

I’d assume he was last out, and they couldn’t justify Adler because for defense, the stats just aren’t there compared to attack.
Gavin has 59 GBs and 21 CTs. By comparison, Bowen has 28 CTs but only 21 GBs.

Gibson Smith in 2022: 53 GB and 23 CTO and that wasn't even his best year. Not saying those stats tell the complete story, just as a point of comparison.

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 3:49 pm**

laxfan1313 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 3:34 pm
10stone5 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 2:41 pm Adler isn’t hype,

he’s a lacrosse savant,

someone posted the players he has shut down from prior games,
it was a pretty dramatic testament.

I’d assume he was last out, and they couldn’t justify Adler because for defense, the stats just aren’t there compared to attack.
Gavin has 59 GBs and 21 CTs. By comparison, Bowen has 28 CTs but only 21 GBs.

Owen has 51 Gbs and 35 CTs.. Makar with 47 GBs and 19 CTs. Mazzone 67 GBS and 17 TOs. Just to name a few Defenseman that are filling up the stat sheets. Adler has played less games, than all. If you wanted to make an excuse for not including Adler, it would be how strong of a field there is on defense this year. (I still think he should have made the list)

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 3:54 pm**

Gatsby wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 11:19 am Finalists announced:

Tucker Dordevic, Georgetown - Grad. Student, Attack
Pat Kavanagh, Notre Dame - Sr., Attack
CJ Kirst, Cornell - Jr., Attack
Brennan O'Neill, Duke - Jr., Attack
Connor Shellenberger, Virginia - Sr., Attack

All attackmen, no defensemen.

Would they award it to a junior (Kirst or O’Neill)?

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 4:16 pm**

coda wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 3:49 pm
laxfan1313 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 3:34 pm
10stone5 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 2:41 pm Adler isn’t hype,

he’s a lacrosse savant,

someone posted the players he has shut down from prior games,
it was a pretty dramatic testament.

I’d assume he was last out, and they couldn’t justify Adler because for defense, the stats just aren’t there compared to attack.
Gavin has 59 GBs and 21 CTs. By comparison, Bowen has 28 CTs but only 21 GBs.
Owen has 51 Gbs and 35 CTs.. Makar with 47 GBs and 19 CTs. Mazzone 67 GBS and 17 TOs. Just to name a few Defenseman that are filling up the stat sheets. Adler has played less games, than all. If you wanted to make an excuse for not including Adler, it would be how strong of a field there is on defense this year. (I still think he should have made the list)

The assessment of PLL drafters was that Gavin is the best defenseman who was available to draft.

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 4:20 pm**

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 3:54 pm
Gatsby wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 11:19 am Finalists announced:

Tucker Dordevic, Georgetown - Grad. Student, Attack
Pat Kavanagh, Notre Dame - Sr., Attack
CJ Kirst, Cornell - Jr., Attack
Brennan O'Neill, Duke - Jr., Attack
Connor Shellenberger, Virginia - Sr., Attack

All attackmen, no defensemen.
Would they award it to a junior (Kirst or O’Neill)?

Sure, why not? Some people have won it multiple times.

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 4:26 pm**

laxfan1313 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:16 pm
coda wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 3:49 pm
laxfan1313 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 3:34 pm
10stone5 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 2:41 pm Adler isn’t hype,

he’s a lacrosse savant,

someone posted the players he has shut down from prior games,
it was a pretty dramatic testament.

I’d assume he was last out, and they couldn’t justify Adler because for defense, the stats just aren’t there compared to attack.
Gavin has 59 GBs and 21 CTs. By comparison, Bowen has 28 CTs but only 21 GBs.
Owen has 51 Gbs and 35 CTs.. Makar with 47 GBs and 19 CTs. Mazzone 67 GBS and 17 TOs. Just to name a few Defenseman that are filling up the stat sheets. Adler has played less games, than all. If you wanted to make an excuse for not including Adler, it would be how strong of a field there is on defense this year. (I still think he should have made the list)
The assessment of PLL drafters was that Gavin is the best defenseman who was available to draft.

I made no claim otherwise. Just pointing out that this is a ridiculously stacked defensive class and that may have hurt him.

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 4:38 pm**

Gobigred wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 11:24 am
Gatsby wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 11:19 am Finalists announced:

Tucker Dordevic, Georgetown - Grad. Student, Attack
Pat Kavanagh, Notre Dame - Sr., Attack
CJ Kirst, Cornell - Jr., Attack
Brennan O'Neill, Duke - Jr., Attack
Connor Shellenberger, Virginia - Sr., Attack

All attackmen, no defensemen.
Usual Tewey BS.

This award is unnecessary. USILA has awarded the Enners to the outstanding D1 player forever and there was no need for a duplicate.

Perhaps, but the trophy itself is pretty cool!
...

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 4:51 pm**

Finster wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:48 pm
ny10458 wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:41 pm https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/college/ ... prediction

It's ridiculous Dordevic has hardly been mentioned on this thread as a finalist possibility, especially over Makar. Having an absolutely monster season, especially in the back half. First attackman picked in last night's PLL draft and let's get real, there's not going to be more than one pole finalist and that's gonna go to Adler.

35% shooting percentage, 163 shots, 25 TO’s.

Nope.

Feels nice being right.

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 6:02 pm**

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 3:54 pm
Gatsby wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 11:19 am Finalists announced:

Tucker Dordevic, Georgetown - Grad. Student, Attack
Pat Kavanagh, Notre Dame - Sr., Attack
CJ Kirst, Cornell - Jr., Attack
Brennan O'Neill, Duke - Jr., Attack
Connor Shellenberger, Virginia - Sr., Attack

All attackmen, no defensemen.
Would they award it to a junior (Kirst or O’Neill)?

Its not unprecedented.

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 6:30 pm**

Bummer about Xander. He should be there instead of Shelley.

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 6:51 pm**

ny10458 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:51 pm
Finster wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:48 pm
ny10458 wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:41 pm https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/college/ ... prediction

It's ridiculous Dordevic has hardly been mentioned on this thread as a finalist possibility, especially over Makar. Having an absolutely monster season, especially in the back half. First attackman picked in last night's PLL draft and let's get real, there's not going to be more than one pole finalist and that's gonna go to Adler.

35% shooting percentage, 163 shots, 25 TO’s.

Nope.
Feels nice being right.

How are you right? That he’s in the final five? The odds of him winning are by far the longest shot of those. And in a billion years he should not be ahead of Dickson who got hosed.

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 6:51 pm**

rasheed wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 6:30 pm Bummer about Xander. He should be there instead of Shelley.

Dickson should be ahead of Kavanaugh and Dordevic, too

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 7:34 pm**

Gatsby wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 11:19 am Finalists announced:

Attack
Attack
Attack
Attack
Attack

Sad!

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 7:38 pm**

Finster wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 6:51 pm
ny10458 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:51 pm
Finster wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:48 pm
ny10458 wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:41 pm https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/college/ ... prediction

It's ridiculous Dordevic has hardly been mentioned on this thread as a finalist possibility, especially over Makar. Having an absolutely monster season, especially in the back half. First attackman picked in last night's PLL draft and let's get real, there's not going to be more than one pole finalist and that's gonna go to Adler.

35% shooting percentage, 163 shots, 25 TO’s.

Nope.
Feels nice being right.

How are you right? That he’s in the final five? The odds of him winning are by far the longest shot of those. And in a billion years he should not be ahead of Dickson who got hosed.

"Nope."

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 7:39 pm**

Finster wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 6:51 pm
ny10458 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:51 pm
Finster wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:48 pm
ny10458 wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:41 pm https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/college/ ... prediction

It's ridiculous Dordevic has hardly been mentioned on this thread as a finalist possibility, especially over Makar. Having an absolutely monster season, especially in the back half. First attackman picked in last night's PLL draft and let's get real, there's not going to be more than one pole finalist and that's gonna go to Adler.

35% shooting percentage, 163 shots, 25 TO’s.

Nope.
Feels nice being right.

How are you right? That he’s in the final five? The odds of him winning are by far the longest shot of those. And in a billion years he should not be ahead of Dickson who got hosed.

Tucker's probably got him in assists though, right?

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 7:42 pm**

CU77 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 7:34 pm
Gatsby wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 11:19 am Finalists announced:

Attack
Attack
Attack
Attack
Attack
Sad!

Women's side the same.
Just too much to the game for it to be all attackers.
Not liking this award much anymore.

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 8:20 pm**

coda wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 2:28 pm
random observer wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 1:19 pm
Gatsby wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 11:19 am Finalists announced:

Tucker Dordevic, Georgetown - Grad. Student, Attack
Pat Kavanagh, Notre Dame - Sr., Attack
CJ Kirst, Cornell - Jr., Attack
Brennan O'Neill, Duke - Jr., Attack
Connor Shellenberger, Virginia - Sr., Attack

All attackmen, no defensemen.
Joke of a list. Shellenberger is there on name and talent; production hasn't been there due to injuries. Dordevic has come on strong, but for the first half of the season he was at times a detriment to the Georgetown offense. Adler's body of work blows both of them out of the water.
Have to agree with this. Adler deserved to be on the list. One caveat though, I would place a bet on Shellenberger, if he had the 5th best odds to win. He has been productive (not to normal standards), despite being banged up. He is likely going to be at 100% in the tournament He has chance to put on a show and steal the Twaaraton.

I agree on both counts. even if Kirst and O’Neill come in with a little bit stronger resumes, I don’t think there’s an overwhelming favorite, which means any of the five have a shot. Healthy Shellenberger propelling UVA to the championship would do it.

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2023 8:54 pm**

DMac wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 7:39 pm
Finster wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 6:51 pm
ny10458 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:51 pm
Finster wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:48 pm
ny10458 wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:41 pm https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/college/ ... prediction

It's ridiculous Dordevic has hardly been mentioned on this thread as a finalist possibility, especially over Makar. Having an absolutely monster season, especially in the back half. First attackman picked in last night's PLL draft and let's get real, there's not going to be more than one pole finalist and that's gonna go to Adler.

35% shooting percentage, 163 shots, 25 TO’s.

Nope.
Feels nice being right.

How are you right? That he’s in the final five? The odds of him winning are by far the longest shot of those. And in a billion years he should not be ahead of Dickson who got hosed.
Tucker's probably got him in assists though, right?

I just looked. It’s truly something else. ny1058 needs to study up on the stats book.

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