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Posted: **Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:49 am**

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:00 pm
Laxmaninamillion wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 5:02 pm You win best post I’ve read on here in a while. The freshman/Sophomore parent speak in this thread is getting old.

Yeah. Don’t listen to the parents of the kids who are in the room. Listen to fans.
Obviously there are sour grape posters but I love hearing from guys whose kids are in the program and can give me some idea of what to expect.
parents are absolutely the least objective parties (on both the thrilled and not-so-thrilled side) in the entire ecosystem other than the man in the mirror, and even that caveat is only true sometimes.

#facts
ok, that's not actually a fact, but it should be.

and by default, every program has them. they just don't all bust it out on a public message board.

Tru dat. +1

I'm not so sure that I'd want to squelch participation on here, though. It does provide some insight to what may be happening internally with at least some of the players and their families.

And every once in awhile, that insight proves to be right on.

But thinking that the most vocal such are actually representative, much less objective, would typically be a mistake.

I know that when I was a parent of an active player I had much more insight into the inter-workings of his team, the coaches, the skill sets, attitude and health of various players than would the general fan or even involved alum...but objectivity is another matter!

I tried to stay away from direct critique or even innuendo, but when various posters were saying critical things, I provided some statistics for review...the #'s told the story for themselves and people could draw their own conclusions.

I grew more directly critical of some things after my son had graduated, yet I still had insights through other kids/families. These weren't benchwarmer situations where disgruntlement is a natural state for many (though in a great culture it's minimal). It was no surprise when there was wholesale turnover of staff a year and two years later.

Seems to me that Toomey is proven first rate, success ebbs and flows, finger pointing among bench warmers/families is typical when success ebbs, often the younger players' parents eager for kids to get more time. I think the comment about a couple more saves, an injury or two less, sounds right. But it all needs to line up near perfectly for a great season. And that's unlikely at Loyola for more than half the seasons. Which most programs would consider to be outstanding!

Posted: **Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:46 pm**

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:49 am
wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:00 pm
Laxmaninamillion wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 5:02 pm You win best post I’ve read on here in a while. The freshman/Sophomore parent speak in this thread is getting old.

Yeah. Don’t listen to the parents of the kids who are in the room. Listen to fans.
Obviously there are sour grape posters but I love hearing from guys whose kids are in the program and can give me some idea of what to expect.
parents are absolutely the least objective parties (on both the thrilled and not-so-thrilled side) in the entire ecosystem other than the man in the mirror, and even that caveat is only true sometimes.

#facts
ok, that's not actually a fact, but it should be.

and by default, every program has them. they just don't all bust it out on a public message board.
Tru dat. +1

I'm not so sure that I'd want to squelch participation on here, though. It does provide some insight to what may be happening internally with at least some of the players and their families.

And every once in awhile, that insight proves to be right on.

But thinking that the most vocal such are actually representative, much less objective, would typically be a mistake.

I know that when I was a parent of an active player I had much more insight into the inter-workings of his team, the coaches, the skill sets, attitude and health of various players than would the general fan or even involved alum...but objectivity is another matter!

I tried to stay away from direct critique or even innuendo, but when various posters were saying critical things, I provided some statistics for review...the #'s told the story for themselves and people could draw their own conclusions.

I grew more directly critical of some things after my son had graduated, yet I still had insights through other kids/families. These weren't benchwarmer situations where disgruntlement is a natural state for many (though in a great culture it's minimal). It was no surprise when there was wholesale turnover of staff a year and two years later.

Seems to me that Toomey is proven first rate, success ebbs and flows, finger pointing among bench warmers/families is typical when success ebbs, often the younger players' parents eager for kids to get more time. I think the comment about a couple more saves, an injury or two less, sounds right. But it all needs to line up near perfectly for a great season. And that's unlikely at Loyola for more than half the seasons. Which most programs would consider to be outstanding!

Great post. What I find funny about some of the posts that criticized me last year was that I wasn’t a parent last year. I was an outsider whose child was planning on going to Loyola. I made observations based upon statistics (2nd line middies lack of scoring) and made criticisms of the staff for not putting some of their highly ranked 4

Recruits in to see if they could do better. I also made comments based upon what I’d been told by people in the locker room.
I got the “unhappy parent” or disgruntled players’s parent response.
I want nothing more than this team to win. I come on here to vent my frustration at times because of what I see. Sometimes it’s hard to believe the choices that the staff make. That said, I’m not there watching practice and seeing who is putting the time in.
Lastly, I personally love hearing from current parents, former parents and former players. Their views may be a bit jaded but information is information. It’s all about how you use it.

Posted: **Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:17 pm**

Laxmaninamillion wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:46 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:49 am
wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:00 pm
Laxmaninamillion wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 5:02 pm You win best post I’ve read on here in a while. The freshman/Sophomore parent speak in this thread is getting old.

Yeah. Don’t listen to the parents of the kids who are in the room. Listen to fans.
Obviously there are sour grape posters but I love hearing from guys whose kids are in the program and can give me some idea of what to expect.
parents are absolutely the least objective parties (on both the thrilled and not-so-thrilled side) in the entire ecosystem other than the man in the mirror, and even that caveat is only true sometimes.

#facts
ok, that's not actually a fact, but it should be.

and by default, every program has them. they just don't all bust it out on a public message board.
Tru dat. +1

I'm not so sure that I'd want to squelch participation on here, though. It does provide some insight to what may be happening internally with at least some of the players and their families.

And every once in awhile, that insight proves to be right on.

But thinking that the most vocal such are actually representative, much less objective, would typically be a mistake.

I know that when I was a parent of an active player I had much more insight into the inter-workings of his team, the coaches, the skill sets, attitude and health of various players than would the general fan or even involved alum...but objectivity is another matter!

I tried to stay away from direct critique or even innuendo, but when various posters were saying critical things, I provided some statistics for review...the #'s told the story for themselves and people could draw their own conclusions.

I grew more directly critical of some things after my son had graduated, yet I still had insights through other kids/families. These weren't benchwarmer situations where disgruntlement is a natural state for many (though in a great culture it's minimal). It was no surprise when there was wholesale turnover of staff a year and two years later.

Seems to me that Toomey is proven first rate, success ebbs and flows, finger pointing among bench warmers/families is typical when success ebbs, often the younger players' parents eager for kids to get more time. I think the comment about a couple more saves, an injury or two less, sounds right. But it all needs to line up near perfectly for a great season. And that's unlikely at Loyola for more than half the seasons. Which most programs would consider to be outstanding!
Great post. What I find funny about some of the posts that criticized me last year was that I wasn’t a parent last year. I was an outsider whose child was planning on going to Loyola. I made observations based upon statistics (2nd line middies lack of scoring) and made criticisms of the staff for not putting some of their highly ranked 4 Recruits in to see if they could do better. I also made comments based upon what I’d been told by people in the locker room.
I got the “unhappy parent” or disgruntled players’s parent response.
I want nothing more than this team to win. I come on here to vent my frustration at times because of what I see. Sometimes it’s hard to believe the choices that the staff make. That said, I’m not there watching practice and seeing who is putting the time in.
Lastly, I personally love hearing from current parents, former parents and former players. Their views may be a bit jaded but information is information. It’s all about how you use it.

I'd caution that posting negative stuff can redound against your son, totally undeservedly for him, and give an unfortunate perception of you...so, be careful while he's involved not to be a griper, much as you may wish to see things happening differently. Probably the biggest no-no is critiquing players ahead of your son on the depth chart.

That can be hard...speaking from experience.

So...good luck!

PS, my son had a terrific overall experience despite hip surgery and 3 concussions, earned serious time and made the most of it, all-conference etc, but there was bitter taste for a whole lot of players when a new associate head coach and a second assistant coach were brought in who created a rather miserable two years, only one of which my son and his class suffered through. Too bad.

I don't see that dynamic at Loyola.

Posted: **Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:27 pm**

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:17 pm
Laxmaninamillion wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:46 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:49 am
wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:00 pm
Laxmaninamillion wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 5:02 pm You win best post I’ve read on here in a while. The freshman/Sophomore parent speak in this thread is getting old.

Yeah. Don’t listen to the parents of the kids who are in the room. Listen to fans.
Obviously there are sour grape posters but I love hearing from guys whose kids are in the program and can give me some idea of what to expect.
parents are absolutely the least objective parties (on both the thrilled and not-so-thrilled side) in the entire ecosystem other than the man in the mirror, and even that caveat is only true sometimes.

#facts
ok, that's not actually a fact, but it should be.

and by default, every program has them. they just don't all bust it out on a public message board.
Tru dat. +1

I'm not so sure that I'd want to squelch participation on here, though. It does provide some insight to what may be happening internally with at least some of the players and their families.

And every once in awhile, that insight proves to be right on.

But thinking that the most vocal such are actually representative, much less objective, would typically be a mistake.

I know that when I was a parent of an active player I had much more insight into the inter-workings of his team, the coaches, the skill sets, attitude and health of various players than would the general fan or even involved alum...but objectivity is another matter!

I tried to stay away from direct critique or even innuendo, but when various posters were saying critical things, I provided some statistics for review...the #'s told the story for themselves and people could draw their own conclusions.

I grew more directly critical of some things after my son had graduated, yet I still had insights through other kids/families. These weren't benchwarmer situations where disgruntlement is a natural state for many (though in a great culture it's minimal). It was no surprise when there was wholesale turnover of staff a year and two years later.

Seems to me that Toomey is proven first rate, success ebbs and flows, finger pointing among bench warmers/families is typical when success ebbs, often the younger players' parents eager for kids to get more time. I think the comment about a couple more saves, an injury or two less, sounds right. But it all needs to line up near perfectly for a great season. And that's unlikely at Loyola for more than half the seasons. Which most programs would consider to be outstanding!
Great post. What I find funny about some of the posts that criticized me last year was that I wasn’t a parent last year. I was an outsider whose child was planning on going to Loyola. I made observations based upon statistics (2nd line middies lack of scoring) and made criticisms of the staff for not putting some of their highly ranked 4 Recruits in to see if they could do better. I also made comments based upon what I’d been told by people in the locker room.
I got the “unhappy parent” or disgruntled players’s parent response.
I want nothing more than this team to win. I come on here to vent my frustration at times because of what I see. Sometimes it’s hard to believe the choices that the staff make. That said, I’m not there watching practice and seeing who is putting the time in.
Lastly, I personally love hearing from current parents, former parents and former players. Their views may be a bit jaded but information is information. It’s all about how you use it.
I'd caution that posting negative stuff can redound against your son, totally undeservedly for him, and give an unfortunate perception of you...so, be careful while he's involved not to be a griper, much as you may wish to see things happening differently. Probably the biggest no-no is critiquing players ahead of your son on the depth chart.

That can be hard...speaking from experience.

So...good luck!

PS, my son had a terrific overall experience despite hip surgery and 3 concussions, earned serious time and made the most of it, all-conference etc, but there was bitter taste for a whole lot of players when a new associate head coach and a second assistant coach were brought in who created a rather miserable two years, only one of which my son and his class suffered through. Too bad.

I don't see that dynamic at Loyola.

Love how you put the fake hip injury in to throw people off, classic forum move

Posted: **Thu Sep 15, 2022 7:02 pm**

lorin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:27 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:17 pm
Laxmaninamillion wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:46 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:49 am
wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:00 pm
Laxmaninamillion wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 5:02 pm You win best post I’ve read on here in a while. The freshman/Sophomore parent speak in this thread is getting old.

Yeah. Don’t listen to the parents of the kids who are in the room. Listen to fans.
Obviously there are sour grape posters but I love hearing from guys whose kids are in the program and can give me some idea of what to expect.
parents are absolutely the least objective parties (on both the thrilled and not-so-thrilled side) in the entire ecosystem other than the man in the mirror, and even that caveat is only true sometimes.

#facts
ok, that's not actually a fact, but it should be.

and by default, every program has them. they just don't all bust it out on a public message board.
Tru dat. +1

I'm not so sure that I'd want to squelch participation on here, though. It does provide some insight to what may be happening internally with at least some of the players and their families.

And every once in awhile, that insight proves to be right on.

But thinking that the most vocal such are actually representative, much less objective, would typically be a mistake.

I know that when I was a parent of an active player I had much more insight into the inter-workings of his team, the coaches, the skill sets, attitude and health of various players than would the general fan or even involved alum...but objectivity is another matter!

I tried to stay away from direct critique or even innuendo, but when various posters were saying critical things, I provided some statistics for review...the #'s told the story for themselves and people could draw their own conclusions.

I grew more directly critical of some things after my son had graduated, yet I still had insights through other kids/families. These weren't benchwarmer situations where disgruntlement is a natural state for many (though in a great culture it's minimal). It was no surprise when there was wholesale turnover of staff a year and two years later.

Seems to me that Toomey is proven first rate, success ebbs and flows, finger pointing among bench warmers/families is typical when success ebbs, often the younger players' parents eager for kids to get more time. I think the comment about a couple more saves, an injury or two less, sounds right. But it all needs to line up near perfectly for a great season. And that's unlikely at Loyola for more than half the seasons. Which most programs would consider to be outstanding!
Great post. What I find funny about some of the posts that criticized me last year was that I wasn’t a parent last year. I was an outsider whose child was planning on going to Loyola. I made observations based upon statistics (2nd line middies lack of scoring) and made criticisms of the staff for not putting some of their highly ranked 4 Recruits in to see if they could do better. I also made comments based upon what I’d been told by people in the locker room.
I got the “unhappy parent” or disgruntled players’s parent response.
I want nothing more than this team to win. I come on here to vent my frustration at times because of what I see. Sometimes it’s hard to believe the choices that the staff make. That said, I’m not there watching practice and seeing who is putting the time in.
Lastly, I personally love hearing from current parents, former parents and former players. Their views may be a bit jaded but information is information. It’s all about how you use it.
I'd caution that posting negative stuff can redound against your son, totally undeservedly for him, and give an unfortunate perception of you...so, be careful while he's involved not to be a griper, much as you may wish to see things happening differently. Probably the biggest no-no is critiquing players ahead of your son on the depth chart.

That can be hard...speaking from experience.

So...good luck!

PS, my son had a terrific overall experience despite hip surgery and 3 concussions, earned serious time and made the most of it, all-conference etc, but there was bitter taste for a whole lot of players when a new associate head coach and a second assistant coach were brought in who created a rather miserable two years, only one of which my son and his class suffered through. Too bad.

I don't see that dynamic at Loyola.
Love how you put the fake hip injury in to throw people off, classic forum move

I have no idea what you mean, though if you think there was some sort of "hip fake" and were being funny, ok, just not sure what you meant.

Yeah, my son missed his freshman season due to needing hip labrum surgery, diagnosed that fall; coach kept him from getting surgery, said he needed him available, but he couldn't run, couldn't practice, injections, crutches,...finally got the surgery over spring break...was able to practice again sophomore fall. First concussion was summer between sophomore season and junior, clamping a ball outside of crease and took a knee to the side of his head, second ended his season junior year, third ended his lax playing for good during senior season. Concussions were each a month in the dark...serious. Tough for doing school...

He wasn't at Loyola...but he likes Toomey a lot, coached for him at a couple of camps.
Everything I've heard about Toomey has been positive.
And as a local, I get to some games and have admired the teams he's put together.

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2022 8:35 am**

+2. Quite the elaborate fake story you wove. I doubt Shakespeare could do better. You are one of the reliable contributors here

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:30 pm**

“I'd caution that posting negative stuff can redound against your son, totally undeservedly for him, and give an unfortunate perception of you...so, be careful while he's involved not to be a griper, much as you may wish to see things happening differently. Probably the biggest no-no is critiquing players ahead of your son on the depth chart.“

Great advice. Plan on keeping quiet now that kids at school. Last year and up to now is more of a question/interest in what other people on this forum think. Hope my kid gets to play. If not I hope that the boys that are keeping him on the bench are better than him and are producing. He could have gone to plenty of schools and played as a freshman. He wanted a challenge.

Go Hounds!!!

Posted: **Sat Sep 17, 2022 3:08 am**

I appreciate the parents providing some inside information. Especially in the fall when there is not much online or social media news of the team.

Posted: **Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:45 am**

Laxmaninamillion wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:30 pm “I'd caution that posting negative stuff can redound against your son, totally undeservedly for him, and give an unfortunate perception of you...so, be careful while he's involved not to be a griper, much as you may wish to see things happening differently. Probably the biggest no-no is critiquing players ahead of your son on the depth chart.“

Great advice. Plan on keeping quiet now that kids at school. Last year and up to now is more of a question/interest in what other people on this forum think. Hope my kid gets to play. If not I hope that the boys that are keeping him on the bench are better than him and are producing. He could have gone to plenty of schools and played as a freshman. He wanted a challenge.

Go Hounds!!!

Just be careful if you are feeling negative about something to not let that out on any social media site. It can't help your son, no coach will be positively swayed to make different decisions.

That said, you are likely to be privy to all sorts of practical details about the team that would be helpful to other fans. Obviously, don't share anything that would help a competitor, but otherwise it's great to get informed details.

Re your son and the experience of being a parent, your kid may get lots of time quickly...or not. I don't see anything in this staff to suggest that they would purposely choose to play someone with likely lesser positive impact to the team's success, so time will get earned. Coaches have objectives to maintain team cohesion, probably the hardest and most important task of a coach, IMO, so decisions won't always be obvious to some...coaches rarely explain this sort of thing, all of the factors involved in specific decisions, so it can be a bit frustrating for those with a personal stake or even just a rooting interest.

Of course, coaches aren't infallible. They make decisions as they see them, but sometimes come to find they could have made a different one sooner. Happens.

Opportunities to play can happen all of a sudden...if you're in a position to give wanted advice to your son, mine would be 1) compete hard in practice, but with a team-first approach, 2) be patient, but ready at a heartbeat to be called upon, 3) if/when you get the call, enjoy it, 4) back to #1.

Posted: **Sat Sep 17, 2022 2:26 pm**

Thanks MDLaxfan76. You saved me a lot of typing

So true. Bust your tail in practice. Team comes first - not your stats. Stats will come to you as you help the team. Be ready. Go watch game film with the coaches and your tea mates. Show them your interest. Ask questions. And repeat.

Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:47 pm**

Alumni weekend this weekend. Big inter squad scrimmage on Friday night. Wish I could be there. Hope my kid gets to play. Reports are that a freshman attack is getting a shot with the first team group. Nice to see. Hope he continues to improve and shows what he can do.
So far my kid loves the program and loves the boys on the team.

Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:56 pm**

NovaHound wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 2:26 pm Thanks MDLaxfan76. You saved me a lot of typing

So true. Bust your tail in practice. Team comes first - not your stats. Stats will come to you as you help the team. Be ready. Go watch game film with the coaches and your tea mates. Show them your interest. Ask questions. And repeat.

+1
and chuckle re typing...

Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:40 pm**

Laxmaninamillion wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:47 pm Alumni weekend this weekend. Big inter squad scrimmage on Friday night. Wish I could be there. Hope my kid gets to play. Reports are that a freshman attack is getting a shot with the first team group. Nice to see. Hope he continues to improve and shows what he can do.
So far my kid loves the program and loves the boys on the team.

My money would be on Minicus, and the staff I’m sure is high on him.

What about midfield and other spots like defense and goalie?

Posted: **Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:07 pm**

The chatter I've heard is that two frosh looking good in practice include (Minicus and Murphy = the M and M's )

Murphy may slide to middie...

But all Frosh look like contributors - A Good Class for Toomey.

Kinda iffy at Close D right now. Trying to find LeBlancs replacement. Hear that Chavrount (Gunnar) and Bean playing well. Hughes is the only starter practicing with the group of poles.

Goalie is still iffy - some injuries. Right now look at Whittaker and Watkinson.

That's all....

Posted: **Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:42 am**

Surprising about Chavrount at close. Have you heard a thing about LSM?

Posted: **Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:04 am**

Aaah, I remember this time of year.
A nip to the air. Makes it burn a little when running hard that first cold morning.
Lots of new faces in the lockeroom, Lots of pi$$ and vinegar. Brazen young'uns. Lots of optimism and expectations.

Time to work young men, and show what you have- Compete. The cream will rise to the top.

Posted: **Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:36 am**

Exlaxbro wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:42 am Surprising about Chavrount at close. Have you heard a thing about LSM?

From what I think it appears that Middleton is now the #1 after McNulty graduated. #2 appears to be Cheuvront as it’s his natural position but staff might push him down low with the injuries right now? #3 could be fairey or Diego roman.

When you look at the roster, it appears to be pretty full with talented kids but they didn’t get a ton of time the last two years.

From what I can surmise and infer based on some social media posts- this falls practices are Uber competitive and every single spot is up for grabs. They have to earn every minute, heck even every second of playing time for 2023.

Posted: **Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:51 am**

There are a lot of injuries already? That is not good. Speaks to the off season workouts?

Posted: **Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:42 pm**

It’s been discussed all summer, you will see a nice mix of veteran and young in the 2023 Hounds…people on here act surprised that some young guys will play…it’s no surprise. If you earn your time, you’ll get on the field…like any program.

With that said, our veteran guys that have been there and have put production on the board for the Hounds are gonna be playing a lot and producing…we know who they are…on offense anyway. Point production…

But as I’ve posted, there are a lot of opportunities for young guys to earn time and mesh in with the returning names on offense that are all battling to make this team better…

I’ve heard a little chatter and a few veteran guys we absolutely need to be great (and healthy) are trending well so far and I’ve also heard that a handful of young guys (as I expected) will earn time in the playing group…none of which surprises me….

I’m more worried about defense and special teams. We need some young parts to emerge on D…almost more than on Offense….

Lots of fall left. Lots of reps for guys to emerge and/or get right…

I’m beating a dead horse but I like the blend of old and new this year…if the staff can find the perfect mix, we can put something together…maybe

I’m positive. Go Hounds

Posted: **Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:48 pm**

Exlaxbro wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:51 am There are a lot of injuries already? That is not good. Speaks to the off season workouts?

While I’m not 100% sure, I wouldn’t panic yet…might be a case where guys had some summer clean up procedures after the season and they’re not fully back yet for fall

That happens in a lot of cases

Anyway, that’s my positive spin speculation

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