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Re: Big Ten 2021

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:36 pm
by HopFan16
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:25 pm
HopFan16 wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 8:42 pm
gymman1031 wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 7:41 pm So most of you think Michigan will finish last again?
Someone has to.

I've acknowledged Hopkins could finish last too—the range of outcomes for the Blue Jays is pretty big IMO. New staff trying to instill their culture and develop a new system without an offseason? As far as I know they still haven't met a lot of the players in person yet. It'd be a lot to ask of them to be super competitive in the conference this year—but it's a good staff, and there is talent to work with, so who really knows. I wouldn't be shocked to see them finish anywhere between 2 and 6.

Penn State without Ament is also a little bit of a wild card. I think the team they'll have in 2021 is better than the one they had the year Ament was injured but there's no denying that they just weren't the same with him out of the lineup.

Rutgers should be improved—again, their fans seem quite optimistic—but they've consistently been one of the weaker teams in the conference and I'm not sure if Kirst changes things THAT much to the point where they can't still finish last. Offense has not really been the issue for them recently. The FOGO transfer could help but he was 55% at St. John's—pretty good but we'll see how he does against the Big Ten gauntlet of faceoff guys: Arceri, Inacio, Prouty, Shockey, etc.

I think any of those four teams could finish last. I'd be surprised if Ohio State does—they might not win the conference but they're pretty solid, no huge glaring weaknesses. Though curious to see the goalie situation. The kid from Furman they replaced Kirson with has had a solid career but was underwhelming in 2020. Schedule is not going to get any easier.
Think I’d be more surprised if PSU finished last rather than OSU. Don’t see Tambroni having a truly down year now that he’s got this thing rolling (which took longer than anyone seemed to think it would but he got there).

Basically, could end differently w various permutations but if you just head to head the teams other than UMD where do you find the Mich win? Seems most likely to be Hop or Rutgers but I don’t see that assuming Hop gets their act together quickly and Tinney is 85-90% of his old self (supposedly he wasn’t last year). So hard to not see Mich at the bottom at the moment. The more interesting question may be Rutgers v Hop.
You mean Epstein, and yeah, the kid could barely walk, let alone play lacrosse. Reports are that he's back to full health.

Rut v. Hop is a close call...good thing they'll have at least two meetings to sort it out. Possibly three!

Re: Big Ten 2021

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:48 pm
by Farfromgeneva
Sorry yes brain fart. Epstein.

Re: Big Ten 2021

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:13 pm
by Mr3Putt
What does Epstein look like currently? What does his gate look like?

Re: Big Ten 2021

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:13 pm
by Mr3Putt
What does Epstein look like currently? What does his gate look like?

Re: Big Ten 2021

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:25 pm
by HopFan16
Mr3Putt wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:13 pm What does Epstein look like currently? What does his gate look like?
I'm not a doctor and I'm not sure you'll know for sure until the first actual game action but based on practice video he looks to be running and cutting normally. He's more than a year removed from the injury.

Re: Big Ten 2021

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:43 pm
by AreaLax
Pre-season rank
Maryland
Penn State
Ohio State
Rutgers
Hopkins
Michigan

Preseason Players to Watch List.
Maryland - Jared Bernhardt, Bubba Fairman, and Brett Makar
Rutgers - Adam Charalambides, Connor Kirst, and Kieran Mullins
Penn State - Nick Cardile, Mac O'Keefe, and Jack Traynor
Ohio State - Jeff Henrick, Tre Leclaire, and Ryan Terefenko
Michigan - Bryce Clay, Avery Myers, and Josh Zawada
Hopkins - Connor Desimone, Joey Epstein, and Cole Williams

Re: Big Ten 2021

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:36 pm
by jhu06
with no ivy this has to be make or break years for rutgers, ohio state, penn state, michigan right? If not now when are they breaking through?

Re: Big Ten 2021

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:49 pm
by AreaLax
jhu06 wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:36 pm with no ivy this has to be make or break years for rutgers, ohio state, penn state, michigan right? If not now when are they breaking through?
PSU and OSU have both made the final four in the last few years. So don’t see it as a make or break. As for Michigan they just got a coach. He needs time to install his players. Heck Tambroni got what ten years before he got past his first NCAA game.

Re: Big Ten 2021

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:53 pm
by bananas
To make it doubly interesting ,bet a friend a hundreth of bitcoin's value on selection day that Rutgers is making NCAA if held

Re: Big Ten 2021

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:33 pm
by jhu08
bananas wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:53 pm To make it doubly interesting ,bet a friend a hundreth of bitcoin's value on selection day that Rutgers is making NCAA if held
So roughly 500-600 USD? Bold call.

Re: Big Ten 2021

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:48 pm
by wgdsr
jhu08 wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:33 pm
bananas wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:53 pm To make it doubly interesting ,bet a friend a hundreth of bitcoin's value on selection day that Rutgers is making NCAA if held
So roughly 500-600 USD? Bold call.
500+ now. that's a sam cassell call. on rutgers. in a year they have no ooc. off of 2 and 4?

Re: Big Ten 2021

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:10 pm
by HopFan16
Can someone explain to me the Rutgers love on this board? I grew up in NJ, have a lot of friends who are alums, I'd love nothing more than for them to make some noise—and take anyone's spot in the tournament other than Hopkins. Would love for them to beat up on OSU and PSU. But where is this coming from? Is it all based solely on the addition of Kirst? He's great, but scoring wasn't really the issue for them. They weren't good in 2020 or 2019 and were kinda meh in 2018, and that was with Heningburg and Rexrode. We don't really know if this FOGO transfer is going to make a significant difference. I won't be too surprised if they finish 3rd or 4th in the conference but making the NCAAs this year is going to require a huge jump from where they've been the last several years.

Re: Big Ten 2021

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:23 pm
by Wheels
HopFan16 wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:10 pm Can someone explain to me the Rutgers love on this board? I grew up in NJ, have a lot of friends who are alums, I'd love nothing more than for them to make some noise—and take anyone's spot in the tournament other than Hopkins. Would love for them to beat up on OSU and PSU. But where is this coming from? Is it all based solely on the addition of Kirst? He's great, but scoring wasn't really the issue for them. They weren't good in 2020 or 2019 and were kinda meh in 2018, and that was with Heningburg and Rexrode. We don't really know if this FOGO transfer is going to make a significant difference. I won't be too surprised if they finish 3rd or 4th in the conference but making the NCAAs this year is going to require a huge jump from where they've been the last several years.
Win the B1G Tournament. Or finish 3rd and have a whole lot go wrong in the ACC for the B1G to get 3 teams in.

Their offense is going to be quite good, at least their top 6. It's going to come down to their FOGO, as you said.

Re: Big Ten 2021

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:16 pm
by 10stone5
Wheels wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:23 pm
HopFan16 wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:10 pm Can someone explain to me the Rutgers love on this board? I grew up in NJ, have a lot of friends who are alums, I'd love nothing more than for them to make some noise—and take anyone's spot in the tournament other than Hopkins. Would love for them to beat up on OSU and PSU. But where is this coming from? Is it all based solely on the addition of Kirst? He's great, but scoring wasn't really the issue for them. They weren't good in 2020 or 2019 and were kinda meh in 2018, and that was with Heningburg and Rexrode. We don't really know if this FOGO transfer is going to make a significant difference. I won't be too surprised if they finish 3rd or 4th in the conference but making the NCAAs this year is going to require a huge jump from where they've been the last several years.
Win the B1G Tournament. Or finish 3rd and have a whole lot go wrong in the ACC for the B1G to get 3 teams in.

Their offense is going to be quite good, at least their top 6. It's going to come down to their FOGO, as you said.
Yes on Kirst, he’s a monster, and the motivation looks
to be there, play with his brother, honor their deceased
father who went to Rutgers.

Re: Big Ten 2021

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:43 am
by livelovelax
Rutgers will win the Big Ten.

Re: Big Ten 2021

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:36 am
by Laxfan#1969
livelovelax wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:43 am Rutgers will win the Big Ten.
I like the confidence! I'll root for that...I'm just not as confident ;)

If they solved the FO issue, then they will be tough...they have the usual suspects returning plus some horses that nobody ever talks about that have played a lot of lacrosse and have big bodies and can get after it...

Fingers crossed for negative tests...

Re: Big Ten 2021

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:28 pm
by Farfromgeneva
HopFan16 wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:10 pm Can someone explain to me the Rutgers love on this board? I grew up in NJ, have a lot of friends who are alums, I'd love nothing more than for them to make some noise—and take anyone's spot in the tournament other than Hopkins. Would love for them to beat up on OSU and PSU. But where is this coming from? Is it all based solely on the addition of Kirst? He's great, but scoring wasn't really the issue for them. They weren't good in 2020 or 2019 and were kinda meh in 2018, and that was with Heningburg and Rexrode. We don't really know if this FOGO transfer is going to make a significant difference. I won't be too surprised if they finish 3rd or 4th in the conference but making the NCAAs this year is going to require a huge jump from where they've been the last several years.
I think it’s more suspicion around Hop than significantly elevating Rutgers. Not to say it will bear out but there’s reason for folks to tread carefully here.

Not sure about OSU at all. But bottom line is until otherwise demonstrated I think many perceive RU and Hop as a lot closer to Mich than to UMD and PSU.

Re: Big Ten 2021

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:57 am
by AOD
HopFan16 wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:10 pm Can someone explain to me the Rutgers love on this board? I grew up in NJ, have a lot of friends who are alums, I'd love nothing more than for them to make some noise—and take anyone's spot in the tournament other than Hopkins. Would love for them to beat up on OSU and PSU. But where is this coming from? Is it all based solely on the addition of Kirst? He's great, but scoring wasn't really the issue for them. They weren't good in 2020 or 2019 and were kinda meh in 2018, and that was with Heningburg and Rexrode. We don't really know if this FOGO transfer is going to make a significant difference. I won't be too surprised if they finish 3rd or 4th in the conference but making the NCAAs this year is going to require a huge jump from where they've been the last several years.
It's become a rite of spring (or, perhaps winter) to extol the virtues of RU's lax program. And yet, despite the promises of the faithful over so many years, next year will be Brecht's tenth without significant progress over his predecessor, Stagnitta. His career record at Rutgers is sub-500 and he has a .326 winning percentage in all conference play during his tenure in New Brunswick. I urge caution.

Fans will claim help is on the way from transfers, but integrating those players to fundamentally transform the program in a single year (especially this COVID year) is quite a challenge. Yes, they have maturity on their side - Charlambides is closer to 30 than 20, Mullins finished high school in 2014, and Bullett finished in 2015 - and that should provide a physical benefit. Moreover, the absence of the Ivies will give RU a scheduling lift and add one more opportunity for post-season play. The Kirst brothers coming home is a wonderful story. But, with all this, their history looms large as they fight to overcome that dismal conference record in a year in which most of their games will be played in conference. Like you, I am also from NJ. With RU, I always hope for the best but prepare myself annually to be disappointed.

Re: Big Ten 2021

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:35 pm
by 10stone5
5-4 Rutgers, 2nd.
Connor Kirst with 2g.

Re: Big Ten 2021

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:55 pm
by 10stone5
6-5 Rutgers at the half.