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Championship is a bit different. Tillman doesn’t have a week of practice to prepare. I like ND. I think Maryland struggles to win 1 on 1s offensively. I don’t see ND sliding haphazardly like Virginia and gifting goals. Offensively ND is complete. They can attack Maryland with Dobson and Fiason up top, they don’t rely on the Kavs to get the defense movingFinster wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:12 pm The lack of respect to Coach Tillman, man.
He’s seen ND once already. That’s worth 4-5 goals.
This guy is not going to be out-coached Monday. Not by Corrigan.
Draftkings has ND by 3.
Faceoff will tell some of the story, but not all (assuming it’s close to 50/50 this time).
I think the game comes down to Entenmann versus McNaney.
To be fair, that was early in the season (3/3/24) and a week after ND’s G-town loss. Anyone in the country was going to lose that game against an angry ND. Plus MD was pretty up and down all season. Tills has the boys going when it matters.BetweenTheLines wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:43 pmHe wasn’t able to make any of them disappear in March…
I'm here, too.jrn19 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 7:04 pm Wierman was banged up in the first game and in the middle of one of his colder runs over the last 3 years. I don't think either guy dominates, but I'll take Wierman over anyone. That's just how highly I think of him. McNaney also was very, very below par that day and I expect he'll be a lot better.
I think the differences likely come from the fact Maryland's success in the tournament offensively has been by exploiting defenses who slide and support over-aggressively and too quickly; and that's just not Notre Dame's bag. They will make the Terps win matchups in a way Duke and Virginia didn't, and I'm not sure Maryland will be able to. Denver was able to isolate and attack ND's shorties at times today, and Maryland has gotten a lot better at doing that as of late.
Terps defense has been tremendous in the tournament and I'm sure they'll have adjustments and changes compared to the first game to make sure they're not beat by the Irish midfield in the same way, but that's how tough Notre Dame is to defend
I expect Notre Dame goes on a run at some point of 3-4 goals that Maryland can't and that's the difference. 10-8 or 11-9 type game.
If Wierman can be Wierman again though and McNaney is locked in....it's possible.
I think Maryland could win, but it's still a tall order. Notre Dame is loaded with talent, has experience, has a great FOGO/goalie combination, and maybe the best extra man offense in memory. That's a lot to overcome. Wierman is playing great ball right now but was actually slightly below 50% (12 for 25) against Lynch earlier this season (the teams were exactly 50-50 overall); it's accordingly hard to imagine a big edge in faceoffs as was the case against UVA.Finster wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:12 pm The lack of respect to Coach Tillman, man.
He’s seen ND once already. That’s worth 4-5 goals.
This guy is not going to be out-coached Monday. Not by Corrigan.
Draftkings has ND by 3.
Faceoff will tell some of the story, but not all (assuming it’s close to 50/50 this time).
I think the game comes down to Entenmann versus McNaney.
Colin Hagstrom took a good chunk of those face-offs. Lynch was 12 of 18.The Orfling wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 10:10 pmI think Maryland could win, but it's still a tall order. Notre Dame is loaded with talent, has experience, has a great FOGO/goalie combination, and maybe the best extra man offense in memory. That's a lot to overcome. Wierman is playing great ball right now but was actually slightly below 50% (12 for 25) against Lynch earlier this season (the teams were exactly 50-50 overall); it's accordingly hard to imagine a big edge in faceoffs as was the case against UVA.Finster wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:12 pm The lack of respect to Coach Tillman, man.
He’s seen ND once already. That’s worth 4-5 goals.
This guy is not going to be out-coached Monday. Not by Corrigan.
Draftkings has ND by 3.
Faceoff will tell some of the story, but not all (assuming it’s close to 50/50 this time).
I think the game comes down to Entenmann versus McNaney.
Things that will probably be the same last time:
- Entenmann will be great;
- Kavs will be great;
- ND will be relentless on ground balls;
- Faceoffs will be relatively even;
Things that could be different:
- If Maryland is penalized ND will score (had three EMO goals last game).
- McNaney is playing far better (was well under 50% in save percentage last time);
- Maryland should clear significantly better (they cleared at 75% against ND before but looked great against UVA's ride today);
- Maryland team D has rounded into form and is playing extremely well;
I think the keys for Maryland will be possession (must clear well, must get at least 50% or more on faceoffs); avoiding penalties; and staying within a goal or two of ND the whole game so they can string together some sequences (defensive stop, score on the other end, Wierman win a faceoff) right at the end.
- Maryland made some key changes on offense and is playing far better offensively.
My guy. I was responding to Finster, who said that whoever Ajax covers will disappear.jrn19 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 7:21 pmI never said he disappeared. Those are your words, not mineBetweenTheLines wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 7:11 pmWhy cite other players’ points but only Pat’s goals? His contributions are more than just goals and, that day, he had 3 assists. He even had more CTs than Ajax.jrn19 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:58 pmKavanaghs combined for 3 goals in March. McClane and Faison by comparison had 6 goals and 11 points. That's what killed the Terps, along with (in part due to the Kav's, but that wasn't anything against Zap) a glut of Maryland turnovers in the clearing gameBetweenTheLines wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:43 pmHe wasn’t able to make any of them disappear in March…
Notre Dame was the better team that day, has been the best team this season, and likely will be the better team on Monday. But doubt it'll be because the Kavanaghs dominate Zaps and the Terps poles
He didn’t disappear.
Jared is still with team. He can be seen on the sidelines
I think this is over-rated. Ajax can shut down a star, but the other 5 defenders need to do their job for that to happen. To simplify, Maryland dared Duke and UVA’s midfield to beat them. They couldn’t and Maryland was able to get away with minimal sliding and was able to stay with their match-ups. If ND midfield can force slides, they will dictate the match-ups. That will free up Pat from AjaxBetweenTheLines wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 11:57 pmMy guy. I was responding to Finster, who said that whoever Ajax covers will disappear.jrn19 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 7:21 pmI never said he disappeared. Those are your words, not mineBetweenTheLines wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 7:11 pmWhy cite other players’ points but only Pat’s goals? His contributions are more than just goals and, that day, he had 3 assists. He even had more CTs than Ajax.jrn19 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:58 pmKavanaghs combined for 3 goals in March. McClane and Faison by comparison had 6 goals and 11 points. That's what killed the Terps, along with (in part due to the Kav's, but that wasn't anything against Zap) a glut of Maryland turnovers in the clearing gameBetweenTheLines wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:43 pmHe wasn’t able to make any of them disappear in March…
Notre Dame was the better team that day, has been the best team this season, and likely will be the better team on Monday. But doubt it'll be because the Kavanaghs dominate Zaps and the Terps poles
He didn’t disappear.
You jumped in the middle. I responded to you, but also reiterated my initial point that, statistically, he didn't cause them to disappear the first time around, so it's far from a sure thing that it will happen Monday.
coda wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 9:12 pmChampionship is a bit different. Tillman doesn’t have a week of practice to prepare. I like ND. I think Maryland struggles to win 1 on 1s offensively. I don’t see ND sliding haphazardly like Virginia and gifting goals. Offensively ND is complete. They can attack Maryland with Dobson and Fiason up top, they don’t rely on the Kavs to get the defense movingFinster wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:12 pm The lack of respect to Coach Tillman, man.
He’s seen ND once already. That’s worth 4-5 goals.
This guy is not going to be out-coached Monday. Not by Corrigan.
Draftkings has ND by 3.
Faceoff will tell some of the story, but not all (assuming it’s close to 50/50 this time).
I think the game comes down to Entenmann versus McNaney.
It’s not the ability to come up with a strategy. It’s the ability to fully rep it and install it. That is the difference between a week of practice and having 1 walk through the day beforeFinster wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 9:26 amcoda wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 9:12 pmChampionship is a bit different. Tillman doesn’t have a week of practice to prepare. I like ND. I think Maryland struggles to win 1 on 1s offensively. I don’t see ND sliding haphazardly like Virginia and gifting goals. Offensively ND is complete. They can attack Maryland with Dobson and Fiason up top, they don’t rely on the Kavs to get the defense movingFinster wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:12 pm The lack of respect to Coach Tillman, man.
He’s seen ND once already. That’s worth 4-5 goals.
This guy is not going to be out-coached Monday. Not by Corrigan.
Draftkings has ND by 3.
Faceoff will tell some of the story, but not all (assuming it’s close to 50/50 this time).
I think the game comes down to Entenmann versus McNaney.
Normally I'd agree, but he had a full game this season to see with his own eyes ND up close and personal. Tillman has been noodling ever since how to play them differently; it's how he is. Not saying MD will win, but there's no chance Tillman didn't game-plan this one a long time back. I doubt he needed more than a post-dinner coaches' meeting last night to lay out tomorrow's strategy.
BetweenTheLines wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 11:57 pmMy guy. I was responding to Finster, who said that whoever Ajax covers will disappear.jrn19 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 7:21 pmI never said he disappeared. Those are your words, not mineBetweenTheLines wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 7:11 pmWhy cite other players’ points but only Pat’s goals? His contributions are more than just goals and, that day, he had 3 assists. He even had more CTs than Ajax.jrn19 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:58 pmKavanaghs combined for 3 goals in March. McClane and Faison by comparison had 6 goals and 11 points. That's what killed the Terps, along with (in part due to the Kav's, but that wasn't anything against Zap) a glut of Maryland turnovers in the clearing gameBetweenTheLines wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:43 pmHe wasn’t able to make any of them disappear in March…
Notre Dame was the better team that day, has been the best team this season, and likely will be the better team on Monday. But doubt it'll be because the Kavanaghs dominate Zaps and the Terps poles
He didn’t disappear.
You jumped in the middle. I responded to you, but also reiterated my initial point that, statistically, he didn't cause them to disappear the first time around, so it's far from a sure thing that it will happen Monday.