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LaxDadMax wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 3:38 pm

hmmm wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 12:11 pm

LaxDadMax wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 11:32 am My prediction is that football will be managed outside the NCAA within a few years. This will stop football from being the driver of conference alignment.

It could also remove football from the Title IX calculations putting many women's sports at risk.

As long as the school offers the sports, it still counts toward title IX whether the sports is managed by NCAA or a new PR based third-party.

if anything, it would grow olympic sports since overall investment in football by the school will likely increase.

If football players are no longer on scholarship and are paid and are no longer part of the NCAA, it won't count towards Title IX

As long as the football players are students, I’m pretty sure Title IX would still apply. Lots of college athletes don’t receive athletic scholarships, but they are still counted for Title IX purposes.

Some things I have heard:

Current discussions are around football, basketball, baseball/softball being "tier 1" sports with revenue sharing for student-athletes probably starting in the neighborhood of 20-25 mil split how the school sees fit.You will still have big time conferences similar to today with possible shuffling.

Other sports (including wlax) are "tier 2" sports. Still have scholarships, etc all current benefits they enjoy. BUT - conferences will be different than tier 1 and possibly not exist at all. Schedules would be built around geographical concerns to minimize travel. Also (don't kill messenger) post season play may be different or even eliminated. All of this to reduce expenses of "non-revenue" sports.

ertrader wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 4:50 pm Some things I have heard:

Current discussions are around football, basketball, baseball/softball being "tier 1" sports with revenue sharing for student-athletes probably starting in the neighborhood of 20-25 mil split how the school sees fit.You will still have big time conferences similar to today with possible shuffling.

Other sports (including wlax) are "tier 2" sports. Still have scholarships, etc all current benefits they enjoy. BUT - conferences will be different than tier 1 and possibly not exist at all. Schedules would be built around geographical concerns to minimize travel. Also (don't kill messenger) post season play may be different or even eliminated. All of this to reduce expenses of "non-revenue" sports.

Exactly. WLax becomes a club sport.

Facilities are meaningless

The pay per player is most important. Big ten especially NW and UMD (maybe Rutgers too) are best positioned being Big Ten with comparative lacrosse priority among the B1G institutions.

ertrader wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 4:50 pm Other sports (including wlax) are "tier 2" sports. Still have scholarships, etc all current benefits they enjoy. BUT - conferences will be different than tier 1 and possibly not exist at all. Schedules would be built around geographical concerns to minimize travel. Also (don't kill messenger) post season play may be different or even eliminated. All of this to reduce expenses of "non-revenue" sports.

The NCAA pays for NCAA tournament travel/expenses. Elimination of conference tournaments would be the consideration, if at all.

Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 7:45 am Facilities are meaningless

The pay per player is most important. Big ten especially NW and UMD (maybe Rutgers too) are best positioned being Big Ten with comparative lacrosse priority among the B1G institutions.

Don't you think the schools that have the money to pay for ridiculous facilities will be the same ones paying the most money to the players?

LiveLaxLove wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 11:05 pm

ertrader wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 4:50 pm Some things I have heard:

Current discussions are around football, basketball, baseball/softball being "tier 1" sports with revenue sharing for student-athletes probably starting in the neighborhood of 20-25 mil split how the school sees fit.You will still have big time conferences similar to today with possible shuffling.

Other sports (including wlax) are "tier 2" sports. Still have scholarships, etc all current benefits they enjoy. BUT - conferences will be different than tier 1 and possibly not exist at all. Schedules would be built around geographical concerns to minimize travel. Also (don't kill messenger) post season play may be different or even eliminated. All of this to reduce expenses of "non-revenue" sports.

Exactly. WLax becomes a club sport.

Can one hope that Washington DC protects us (in its interpretation of title 9) since it is within the borders of the Wlax hotbed?

BigRedChant wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 1:18 pm

LiveLaxLove wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 11:05 pm

ertrader wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 4:50 pm Some things I have heard:

Current discussions are around football, basketball, baseball/softball being "tier 1" sports with revenue sharing for student-athletes probably starting in the neighborhood of 20-25 mil split how the school sees fit.You will still have big time conferences similar to today with possible shuffling.

Other sports (including wlax) are "tier 2" sports. Still have scholarships, etc all current benefits they enjoy. BUT - conferences will be different than tier 1 and possibly not exist at all. Schedules would be built around geographical concerns to minimize travel. Also (don't kill messenger) post season play may be different or even eliminated. All of this to reduce expenses of "non-revenue" sports.

Exactly. WLax becomes a club sport.

Can one hope that Washington DC protects us (in its interpretation of title 9) since it is within the borders of the Wlax hotbed?

DC wasn't really protecting things before. How long was Florida State offside on Title IX before announcing women's lacrosse? From what I read prior to all these recent developments, sounds like a lot of schools were offsides on Title IX as well.

I love a good conspiracy theory. Speaking of Florida State - any chance they don't have to follow through on starting official team? Still no coach right?

BigRedChant wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 1:18 pm

LiveLaxLove wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 11:05 pm

ertrader wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 4:50 pm Some things I have heard:

Current discussions are around football, basketball, baseball/softball being "tier 1" sports with revenue sharing for student-athletes probably starting in the neighborhood of 20-25 mil split how the school sees fit.You will still have big time conferences similar to today with possible shuffling.

Other sports (including wlax) are "tier 2" sports. Still have scholarships, etc all current benefits they enjoy. BUT - conferences will be different than tier 1 and possibly not exist at all. Schedules would be built around geographical concerns to minimize travel. Also (don't kill messenger) post season play may be different or even eliminated. All of this to reduce expenses of "non-revenue" sports.

Exactly. WLax becomes a club sport.

Can one hope that Washington DC protects us (in its interpretation of title 9) since it is within the borders of the Wlax hotbed?

Please ,they wont even protect women's sports from men playing them .

ACClaxfan wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 2:32 pm

BigRedChant wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 1:18 pm

LiveLaxLove wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 11:05 pm

ertrader wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 4:50 pm Some things I have heard:

Current discussions are around football, basketball, baseball/softball being "tier 1" sports with revenue sharing for student-athletes probably starting in the neighborhood of 20-25 mil split how the school sees fit.You will still have big time conferences similar to today with possible shuffling.

Other sports (including wlax) are "tier 2" sports. Still have scholarships, etc all current benefits they enjoy. BUT - conferences will be different than tier 1 and possibly not exist at all. Schedules would be built around geographical concerns to minimize travel. Also (don't kill messenger) post season play may be different or even eliminated. All of this to reduce expenses of "non-revenue" sports.

Exactly. WLax becomes a club sport.

Can one hope that Washington DC protects us (in its interpretation of title 9) since it is within the borders of the Wlax hotbed?

Please ,they wont even protect women's sports from men playing them .

When you're relying on the US Government to make things better, you've officially hit rock bottom.

forthelaxofit wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 2:15 pm

BigRedChant wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 1:18 pm

LiveLaxLove wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 11:05 pm

ertrader wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 4:50 pm Some things I have heard:

Current discussions are around football, basketball, baseball/softball being "tier 1" sports with revenue sharing for student-athletes probably starting in the neighborhood of 20-25 mil split how the school sees fit.You will still have big time conferences similar to today with possible shuffling.

Other sports (including wlax) are "tier 2" sports. Still have scholarships, etc all current benefits they enjoy. BUT - conferences will be different than tier 1 and possibly not exist at all. Schedules would be built around geographical concerns to minimize travel. Also (don't kill messenger) post season play may be different or even eliminated. All of this to reduce expenses of "non-revenue" sports.

Exactly. WLax becomes a club sport.

Can one hope that Washington DC protects us (in its interpretation of title 9) since it is within the borders of the Wlax hotbed?

DC wasn't really protecting things before. How long was Florida State offside on Title IX before announcing women's lacrosse? From what I read prior to all these recent developments, sounds like a lot of schools were offsides on Title IX as well.

I love a good conspiracy theory. Speaking of Florida State - any chance they don't have to follow through on starting official team? Still no coach right?

I guarantee you FSU is considering ending the WLax program before it even begins. Supposedly that HC job is posted, but I'll bet you that process will hit the brakes (not saying a U-turn just yet, but definitely shifting down to first gear).

BigRedChant wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 1:18 pm

LiveLaxLove wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 11:05 pm

ertrader wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 4:50 pm Some things I have heard:

Current discussions are around football, basketball, baseball/softball being "tier 1" sports with revenue sharing for student-athletes probably starting in the neighborhood of 20-25 mil split how the school sees fit.You will still have big time conferences similar to today with possible shuffling.

Other sports (including wlax) are "tier 2" sports. Still have scholarships, etc all current benefits they enjoy. BUT - conferences will be different than tier 1 and possibly not exist at all. Schedules would be built around geographical concerns to minimize travel. Also (don't kill messenger) post season play may be different or even eliminated. All of this to reduce expenses of "non-revenue" sports.

Exactly. WLax becomes a club sport.

Can one hope that Washington DC protects us (in its interpretation of title 9) since it is within the borders of the Wlax hotbed?

You’re joking, right. We can’t even count on the current administration reading the teleprompter correctly. Everything they touch turns into a disaster.

VAMomGlax2019 wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 6:11 pm

BigRedChant wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 1:18 pm

LiveLaxLove wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 11:05 pm

ertrader wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 4:50 pm Some things I have heard:

Current discussions are around football, basketball, baseball/softball being "tier 1" sports with revenue sharing for student-athletes probably starting in the neighborhood of 20-25 mil split how the school sees fit.You will still have big time conferences similar to today with possible shuffling.

Other sports (including wlax) are "tier 2" sports. Still have scholarships, etc all current benefits they enjoy. BUT - conferences will be different than tier 1 and possibly not exist at all. Schedules would be built around geographical concerns to minimize travel. Also (don't kill messenger) post season play may be different or even eliminated. All of this to reduce expenses of "non-revenue" sports.

Exactly. WLax becomes a club sport.

Can one hope that Washington DC protects us (in its interpretation of title 9) since it is within the borders of the Wlax hotbed?

You’re joking, right. We can’t even count on the current administration reading the teleprompter correctly. Everything they touch turns into a disaster.

I wasn’t trying to make this political or a comment on either old man running for office.

I just thought it was interesting that ppl in DC who might have daughters in private schools are probably aware of lacrosse in a way that the average American is not.

VAMomGlax2019 wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 6:11 pm

BigRedChant wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 1:18 pm

LiveLaxLove wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 11:05 pm

ertrader wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 4:50 pm Some things I have heard:

Current discussions are around football, basketball, baseball/softball being "tier 1" sports with revenue sharing for student-athletes probably starting in the neighborhood of 20-25 mil split how the school sees fit.You will still have big time conferences similar to today with possible shuffling.

Other sports (including wlax) are "tier 2" sports. Still have scholarships, etc all current benefits they enjoy. BUT - conferences will be different than tier 1 and possibly not exist at all. Schedules would be built around geographical concerns to minimize travel. Also (don't kill messenger) post season play may be different or even eliminated. All of this to reduce expenses of "non-revenue" sports.

Exactly. WLax becomes a club sport.

Can one hope that Washington DC protects us (in its interpretation of title 9) since it is within the borders of the Wlax hotbed?

You’re joking, right. We can’t even count on the current administration reading the teleprompter correctly. Everything they touch turns into a disaster.

He reads the teleprompter perfectly fine. That’s part of the problem.

This is going to be a tumultuous and nervewracking time for women’s lacrosse. How the tier 2 sports are funded and the level to which they are emphasized will be fascinating.
Division 3 schools field a lot of teams, none of which make any money. But many of them are private, so not good comparable. They can allocate their endowment and tuition dollars to sports if they want.
The big question is what the big public universities will do when they have to give a big chunk of their athletic department revenues to football, basketball and baseball players. That money was otherwise going to pay for the money losing sports (everything else)!
Will state schools want to increase spending in total to keep all non revenue sports, or fund them at the same level?

Would be great if we had a big time college ad on this forum!!

Oh, and all the lax parents who were hoping for significant nil dollars? Goodbye. There are very very few college womens lax players who have enough popularity to get any money directly from advertisers, outside of gait and STX, etc…

LiveLaxLove wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 12:35 pm

Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 7:45 am Facilities are meaningless

The pay per player is most important. Big ten especially NW and UMD (maybe Rutgers too) are best positioned being Big Ten with comparative lacrosse priority among the B1G institutions.

Don't you think the schools that have the money to pay for ridiculous facilities will be the same ones paying the most money to the players?

If you mean UMD that stupidly built the countries finest indoor football facility and now a whole basketball practice arena instead of using that money to pay players maybe. Facilities are totally going to suffer as soon as player pay can come from the schools

Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 5:55 pm

LiveLaxLove wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 12:35 pm

Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 7:45 am Facilities are meaningless

The pay per player is most important. Big ten especially NW and UMD (maybe Rutgers too) are best positioned being Big Ten with comparative lacrosse priority among the B1G institutions.

Don't you think the schools that have the money to pay for ridiculous facilities will be the same ones paying the most money to the players?

If you mean UMD that stupidly built the countries finest indoor football facility and now a whole basketball practice arena instead of using that money to pay players maybe. Facilities are totally going to suffer as soon as player pay can come from the schools

I haven’t fully looked into it but surely those both weren’t fully funded by the school. What percentage was covered by donors?

You think women’s lacrosse players are actually going to be paid???

Womenslaxxfan wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 8:40 pm You think women’s lacrosse players are actually going to be paid???

UMD will def pay them. It’s priority 4 after football, mbball, mlax.