LaxPower Back-Up Stick

BigMoose9 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:39 am Figured I’d give a shot at the list now that there is a better sense of who is coming back/ new transfers coming in

1. Salisbury - Losing a few key players however still bring back a ton of talent including entire first midfield along with a few transfers who can make a big impact
2. CNU - Returns two player of the year at their position with Cook and Young plus the entire offense and will arguably have best FO/Goalie combo in the country
3. RIT - Loses a few main guys but will still have plenty of talent to compete for a national championship
4. Tufts - Entire starting attack is gone but you can expect the jumbos to still have the same explosive offense they always do
5. Dickinson - After a near final four appearance, the team now has gained deep playoff tourney experience but will need to prove they are still top dog in centennial
6. Middlebury
7. Bowdoin
8. Lynchburg
9. Washington and Lee
10. St. Lawrence

Just outside is Amherst, York, and Gettysburg. Thoughts?

Low2high22 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 3:23 pm Explain why St. Lawrence. Criminally overrated

D3LaxFan2 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 3:45 pm

Low2high22 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 3:23 pm Explain why St. Lawrence. Criminally overrated

Didn't they beat Lynchburg by 9 last year? If you think St. Lawrence is overrated, what is Lynchburg?

Laxattackjack wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:23 pm I wouldn’t put too much value on that outcome.

Lynchburg played Stevenson on Friday (top 20 team)
Two days later, fly up to Boston.
Played in a blizzard and get crushed
Fly straight to Baltimore for mustang classic
Play Friday

On the road for a week is tough on any team.

D3LaxFan2 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 5:09 pm

Laxattackjack wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:23 pm I wouldn’t put too much value on that outcome.

Lynchburg played Stevenson on Friday (top 20 team)
Two days later, fly up to Boston.
Played in a blizzard and get crushed
Fly straight to Baltimore for mustang classic
Play Friday

On the road for a week is tough on any team.

lol sure. 100 excuses for Lynchburg. Didn't Tufts beat them worse the 2nd time? And Stevenson was nowhere near the top 20 anywhere except for the preseason. Hasn't been for years, to be honest.

D3LaxFan2 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 5:09 pm

Laxattackjack wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:23 pm I wouldn’t put too much value on that outcome.

Lynchburg played Stevenson on Friday (top 20 team)
Two days later, fly up to Boston.
Played in a blizzard and get crushed
Fly straight to Baltimore for mustang classic
Play Friday

On the road for a week is tough on any team.

lol sure. 100 excuses for Lynchburg. Didn't Tufts beat them worse the 2nd time? And Stevenson was nowhere near the top 20 anywhere except for the preseason. Hasn't been for years, to be honest.

smoova wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:43 pmThe "younger guys" lost 1-2 years of HS lacrosse and definitely did not have a normal HS experience ... and, as compensation, get to compete for playing time with 24-25 year-olds who can't wean themselves off the parental/college teat. But, "4 normal college years" ... makes it all square.

droliver wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 5:17 pm

smoova wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:43 pmThe "younger guys" lost 1-2 years of HS lacrosse and definitely did not have a normal HS experience ... and, as compensation, get to compete for playing time with 24-25 year-olds who can't wean themselves off the parental/college teat. But, "4 normal college years" ... makes it all square.

No one forced these players to go to schools at D3 powers where they couldn't get on the field early (and have always been prominent landing spots for D1 washouts and transfers). That was a choice.

MVPiccoli wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:40 am Sure was. But they made that choice before much of this transfer culture/two extra years of eligibility matured. I would imagine they considered that the vast majority of D3 families/players wouldn't want to pay for two extra years of university, unless they were pursuing a masters. 99.99999% ain't goin' pro in lax. The education part would be complete in a normal span (4-5 years) and the upperclassmen would move on relative to the historical data. They were wrong.

droliver wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 11:40 am

MVPiccoli wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:40 am This is largely an imagined problem focused on the upper 1% of D3 lacrosse programs.

So the problem applies to only 2.7 ish teams?

droliver wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 11:40 am

MVPiccoli wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:40 am Sure was. But they made that choice before much of this transfer culture/two extra years of eligibility matured. I would imagine they considered that the vast majority of D3 families/players wouldn't want to pay for two extra years of university, unless they were pursuing a masters. 99.99999% ain't goin' pro in lax. The education part would be complete in a normal span (4-5 years) and the upperclassmen would move on relative to the historical data. They were wrong.

The number of players involved her in 5th years is just a small handful spread across the landscape of D3 lacrosse though. This is largely an imagined problem focused on the upper 1% of D3 lacrosse programs. FWIW, this being displaced by transfers lateral or down + new faces on a roster has been the reality of D1-3 lacrosse since... forever

JustOneTime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:23 pm I agree with droliver on this one. I think this just not that big of a deal. There may be a few upset dads out there of kids who think they are losing playing time because of a 5th year but the D3 landscape is not overrun with 5th years. You can look at rosters and see 4 or 5 kids at some schools and much less at others. The schools with grad programs will probably see a larger % of 5th years. Just because a 5th year is on a roster does not mean that kid is going to play over a younger teammate. If the coach wants the best team on the field he can certainly play a younger perhaps more hungry player. If say a Freshman from last year could see some guys ahead of him in the depth chart he could have worked his but off this summer and come back to school in great shape with improved stick skills then beat out those guys in fall ball.

JustOneTime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:23 pm I agree with droliver on this one. I think this just not that big of a deal. There may be a few upset dads out there of kids who think they are losing playing time because of a 5th year but the D3 landscape is not overrun with 5th years. You can look at rosters and see 4 or 5 kids at some schools and much less at others. The schools with grad programs will probably see a larger % of 5th years. Just because a 5th year is on a roster does not mean that kid is going to play over a younger teammate. If the coach wants the best team on the field he can certainly play a younger perhaps more hungry player. If say a Freshman from last year could see some guys ahead of him in the depth chart he could have worked his but off this summer and come back to school in great shape with improved stick skills then beat out those guys in fall ball.

InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:26 pm I don’t think young kids not getting playing time is the problem. It’s college lacrosse. Winning matters. In the paraphrased words of Joe Dirt “this is college lacrosse, not UNICEF”.

What’s frustrating is that it has seriously hurt parody in D3. There has been a mainstay of top 5 for 3 years straight… and 3 of those schools are the best situated for this landscape. CNU, RIT, and Salisbury. This is no fault of their own, they are playing by the rules.

JustOneTime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:50 pm As a previous poster pointed out it is certainly more prevalent at certain schools. Many of those schools are at the top of D3. There are also other high profile D3 schools that don't have any 5th years, W&L and Dickinson are probably two of them. If you sign up for trying to play at a Salisbury, CNU, York, Lynchburg then you better be prepared for not playing or having your playing time diminished. These schools and others will play the best available guys whether they are a Freshman or they are 26 years old. They will also bring in guys that they know can better their program (ie Jude Brown). The coach may or may not discuss these decisions with the kid who was waiting in the wings to play at X.
This same sort of thing happens at the elite high schools. There is no doubt that the coach from Calvert Hall or Lawrenceville would not hesitate if they could bring in some stud even if he will displace the senior to be waiting in the wings.