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[Typical Lax Dad]

U.S. official: Canadian marijuana users, workers and investors risk lifetime border ban

What brilliant bureaucrat thought THIS up??

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Geezuz H, these effin maroons really need to hire some of the black market king pins they've let run the business for decades to find out how to do this the right way.
Yes sir, dope has a whole new meaning in the pot business.

Looking more and more like pot may be the gateway drug for government get more and more control their people. As hickorystick (oops now DMac) noted earlier, the US wants to ban individuals from purchasing a gun.....time to play connect the dots?

Where have you read that someone has proposed banning all guns? Not someone telling you what someone intends to do but an actual proposal or piece of legislation. Making it harder to vote good... making it harder to own weapons bad.....

From Hickorystick, just a few posts back.

Just a little update on my post on the Sensible Gun Control Thread about my buddy's wife who was recently prescribed medical marijuana, which of course comes with sacrificing one's right to buy a gun in the name of safety for the rest of us (including those taking far more potent and dangerous prescribed drugs who can buy guns).
Just letting all of you NY Staters know that you are safe from the unpredictable medical marijuana users here in The Empire State as well thought out laws and regulations that come with legalization and regulation have got you covered. Fear not.

That is your interpretation of banning all guns? Could you find a link to the actual legislation. I would be interested in seeing the facts.

First show me the facts where I said the government is banning all guns....what I said was "pot may be the gateway drug for government get more and more control their people". gateway = a means of access. Think about it.....if registering for pot gets you banned from purchasing a gun, then being arrested with pot "can" get you banned, which means anything that has mind altering affects "can" get you banned from purchasing a gun and yes pot is mind altering with THC.

"US wants to ban individuals from purchasing a gun". I didn't see a qualifier. The trade off of pots for guns doesn't seem nefarious on the surface. Legislation seems to lag behind social change.

[DMac]

Just seems like a bunch of idiotic grabs that come along with the MM card to me. In the great gun debate the huffing and puffing, chest pounding politicians can claim to be doing something (doesn't matter that there have been plenty of gun owning pot smokers since its prohibition, certainly doesn't seem to have been a problem to my knowledge). Meanwhile, as far as I know (am no expert), those on Xanax, Zoloft, Ritalin, Valium, etc, can walk right up and buy themselves a gun. No question in my mind those prescribed drugs are much more potent (took a Xanax once...prescribed...never again, brotha) and come with long lists of harmful side effects. Someone has to step up and get pot off of Sched 1 and legitimize the business, fer krissakes.

[Brooklyn]

La cucaracha, la cucaracha,
ya no puede caminar
porque no tiene, porque le falta
marijuana que fumar


The cockroach, the cockroach,
can't walk anymore
because it doesn't have, because it's lacking
marijuana to smoke.

[youthathletics]

That is my point DMac and TLD. If something like pot can be a reason to remove the legal ability to purchase a gun.....then those meds you listed, and then some, can logically be next.

[Typical Lax Dad]

That is my point DMac and TLD. If something like pot can be a reason to remove the legal ability to purchase a gun.....then those meds you listed, and then some, can logically be next.

Was pot listed as a controlled substance that would prohibit one from
buying a gun before or after marijuana was legalized? I am
Not arguing for it...just arguing that this isn’t some back door way to ban guns for Americans.

[DMac]

Yup, I get what you're saying, youth, have all along. Might turn out that pot is the gateway drug after all. Little different definition than the feds have been feeding us all along (alcohol is the true gateway drug, not pot), but it sure makes sense that all those other prescriptions could come with the same grab the pot prescription comes with (Big Pharm's got a mighty powerful lobby though). As I said before, what I find comical is that all these restrictions are based based on BS, which has been proven to be BS (anyone who hasn't watched Reefer Madness should), yet the feds can use this BS to write new laws/regulations. I'm much more concerned about a guy polishing off a bottle of Jack and grabbing a gun than anyone smokin' a little pot. Just sayin'.

That is my point DMac and TLD. If something like pot can be a reason to remove the legal ability to purchase a gun.....then those meds you listed, and then some, can logically be next.

Was pot listed as a controlled substance that would prohibit one from
buying a gun before or after marijuana was legalized? I am
Not arguing for it...just arguing that this isn’t some back door way to ban guns for Americans.

"A brief history of marijuana

So why is marijuana a Schedule I drug in the first place? It all dates back to 1970, when Congress passed the Controlled Substance Act, which was signed by President Richard Nixon. The act established the schedules by which drugs would be classified and temporarily listed marijuana as a Schedule I substance, subject to review. The administration then formed a commission to study marijuana and advise the administration on where it should be permanently placed. “When Nixon created the Controlled Substances Act in the '70s, he didn't really know where to place marijuana on the list of schedules,” says Kris Hermes, media specialist with an advocacy group called Americans for Safe Access."
https://www.ibtimes.com/why-marijuana-s ... ug-1821426
I believe it is a back door way for politicians to act as if they're doing something for gun control. There's no reason for pot to prohibit one from buying a gun if the other far more potent and dangerous drugs (prescribed) don't. It's a lot of crap, but politicians and the feds can make it look as if they're doing something. Pot should never have been illegal to begin with and certainly should never have been a Sched 1 drug and I believe most people/politicians know that, which is why I do indeed think it's a back door way of trying to prohibit people from getting guns.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Yup, I get what you're saying, youth, have all along. Might turn out that pot is the gateway drug after all. Little different definition than the feds have been feeding us all along (alcohol is the true gateway drug, not pot), but it sure makes sense that all those other prescriptions could come with the same grab the pot prescription comes with (Big Pharm's got a mighty powerful lobby though). As I said before, what I find comical is that all these restrictions are based based on BS, which has been proven to be BS (anyone who hasn't watched Reefer Madness should), yet the feds can use this BS to write new laws/regulations. I'm much more concerned about a guy polishing off a bottle of Jack and grabbing a gun than anyone smokin' a little pot. Just sayin'.

That is my point DMac and TLD. If something like pot can be a reason to remove the legal ability to purchase a gun.....then those meds you listed, and then some, can logically be next.

Was pot listed as a controlled substance that would prohibit one from
buying a gun before or after marijuana was legalized? I am
Not arguing for it...just arguing that this isn’t some back door way to ban guns for Americans.

"A brief history of marijuana

So why is marijuana a Schedule I drug in the first place? It all dates back to 1970, when Congress passed the Controlled Substance Act, which was signed by President Richard Nixon. The act established the schedules by which drugs would be classified and temporarily listed marijuana as a Schedule I substance, subject to review. The administration then formed a commission to study marijuana and advise the administration on where it should be permanently placed. “When Nixon created the Controlled Substances Act in the '70s, he didn't really know where to place marijuana on the list of schedules,” says Kris Hermes, media specialist with an advocacy group called Americans for Safe Access."
https://www.ibtimes.com/why-marijuana-s ... ug-1821426
I believe it is a back door way for politicians to act as if they're doing something for gun control. There's no reason for pot to prohibit one from buying a gun if the other far more potent and dangerous drugs (prescribed) don't. It's a lot of crap, but politicians and the feds can make it look as if they're doing something. Pot should never have been illegal to begin with and certainly should never have been a Sched 1 drug and I believe most people/politicians know that, which is why I do indeed think it's a back door way of trying to prohibit people from getting guns.

Is Marijuana the only class I drug that prohibits gun ownership? The answer may be in the classification. To think the drug was categorized as a schedule I drug to prohibit gun ownership seems to be a stretch. The rationale for the classification was in the article attached. Makes sense to me.

[DMac]

I don't know the answer to your question, but pot's classification never had anything to do with gun control (had much to do with control and leverage in many other respects though) that all happened long before the great gun debate reached fever pitch. Now it's classification (as wrong as it is) is being used by the feds in the name of saving us all from the unpredictable and potentially violent medical marijuana users. Laws and regs based on fairy tales.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I don't know the answer to your question, but pot's classification never had anything to do with gun control (had much to do with control and leverage in many other respects though) that all happened long before the great gun debate reached fever pitch. Now it's classification (as wrong as it is) is being used by the feds in the name of saving us all from the unpredictable and potentially violent medical marijuana users. Laws and regs based on fairy tales.

I agree.

[DMac]

The irony is, the way I see it anyway, that the person getting/wanting the MM card knows full well that he/she can get anything he/she has been prescribed on the streets just as easily as he/she can at the dispensary (there's nothing in those dispensaries that you can't get on the streets). So the feds continue to feed the black market with those who don't want to sacrifice their right to be a gun owner.
Brilliant.

[Typical Lax Dad]

The irony is, the way I see it anyway, that the person getting/wanting the MM card knows full well that he/she can get anything he/she has been prescribed on the streets just as easily as he/she can at the dispensary (there's nothing in those dispensaries that you can't get on the streets). So the feds continue to feed the black market with those who don't want to sacrifice their right to be a gun owner.
Brilliant.

Yep. My guess is that eventually the drug will be moved to schedule II. But this is politics...common sense is irrelevant.

[HooDat]

The irony is, the way I see it anyway, that the person getting/wanting the MM card knows full well that he/she can get anything he/she has been prescribed on the streets just as easily as he/she can at the dispensary (there's nothing in those dispensaries that you can't get on the streets). So the feds continue to feed the black market with those who don't want to sacrifice their right to be a gun owner.
Brilliant.

Yep. My guess is that eventually the drug will be moved to schedule II. But this is politics...common sense is irrelevant.

which is why we need less of it (politics and politicians that is)

[holmes435]

Is Marijuana the only class I drug that prohibits gun ownership? The answer may be in the classification. To think the drug was categorized as a schedule I drug to prohibit gun ownership seems to be a stretch. The rationale for the classification was in the article attached. Makes sense to me.

Here is the background check form - 4473

Question 11e. "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?"

[Typical Lax Dad]

Is Marijuana the only class I drug that prohibits gun ownership? The answer may be in the classification. To think the drug was categorized as a schedule I drug to prohibit gun ownership seems to be a stretch. The rationale for the classification was in the article attached. Makes sense to me.

Here is the background check form - 4473

Question 11e. "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?"

Thanks. Maybe law will be changed.

[runrussellrun]

No such thing as "gateway drugs", just gateway friends.

Besides, pot IS a drug, not a gateway. A gateway to what, liquor? A substance so harmful to your body, their was a Constitutional amendment banning it. (or, was it to quell beer hall Union/socialist/commie group think? )

[DMac]

I must admit I like the irony of this, the black market that the feds built (and continue to feed) are the ones who will keep the legal businesses in line with pricing. Feds learned this pretty quickly in Colorado and it aint gonna be no different anywhere else either. Feds built themselves a very wealthy and savvy competitor.....poetic justice, IMO.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/blac ... 00174.html

[Brooklyn]

Hollywood Classic:






Alas, no more back yard scenery like that In Brooklyn anymore.

[runrussellrun]

I must admit I like the irony of this, the black market that the feds built (and continue to feed) are the ones who will keep the legal businesses in line with pricing. Feds learned this pretty quickly in Colorado and it aint gonna be no different anywhere else either. Feds built themselves a very wealthy and savvy competitor.....poetic justice, IMO.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/blac ... 00174.html

We'll see. Perhaps the $4500 a pound dayz are long gone, when the "legal" places are selling it for $2K. Long live Peter Mcintosh.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/17/news/c ... index.html

[DMac]

I must admit I like the irony of this, the black market that the feds built (and continue to feed) are the ones who will keep the legal businesses in line with pricing. Feds learned this pretty quickly in Colorado and it aint gonna be no different anywhere else either. Feds built themselves a very wealthy and savvy competitor.....poetic justice, IMO.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/blac ... 00174.html

We'll see. Perhaps the $4500 a pound dayz are long gone, when the "legal" places are selling it for $2K. Long live Peter Mcintosh.

I'd bet that the feds would be selling it for a whole lot closer to the $4500 than $2K (I think you're a little light there) were it not for the black market where you can buy the same thing for about the same price. Feds aint dictating those prices, the black market boys are.
Friend just had his sister-in-law here for the week-end, has a MM card from Mass, has her MM pen (oil). Exact same stuff you can get on the streets (yes, the comparison was made by her with my buddy's illegal pen....no difference), but she gets half the amount she can get on the streets for the same money. Think she's now interested in getting her prescription filled by her brother-in-law rather than at the dispensary at this point? Black market will keep feds in line with their pricing.