Re: Toughest/Softest Lacrosse Schedule 2023?
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:55 pm
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no, prior to making playoffs is when we had issue. Post playoff and championship run, it was easy.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:23 pmyou had trouble scheduling good games after winning a state championship? i never did. you need a new scheduler.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:52 pmOh, I agree it’s the path. Have experienced it first hand coaching in HS. We didn’t get deeper into the playoffs until our conference changed and allowed more OOC games. Won a state championship a couple years later. Players realized we CAN compete with top ranked schools.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:09 pmyeah, not true at all. not saying it's easy. win your way up. it may be more difficult in a mid-major conference, but that's the path. at least they tell you this.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:04 pmYou can’t work your way up if teams don’t / won’t play you. Then those high RPI teams want to make sure they too are playing ‘potentially’ high ranked RPI teams. Much like life, it’s the haves and the have nots.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:43 pmeveryone wants to play a team that would be #8 rpi. delaware's rpi was nowhere near that. what you don't want to play is a team that might be in the 20s rpi that can beat you. you have to work your way up. it's why loyola can get a schedule every year. even after a +20 rpi last year.xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:10 pmI know from a solid source Delaware tried to get games with Penn Princeton PennSt and Duke dropped them, no one wants to play a senior led team who got to the final 8 last year. Scheduling is very difficult and changes year to year.
Just another reason why RPI should not be the barometer metric in lacrosse.
My point, is we even had problems scheduling OOC games with top ranked HS’s b/c most others were trying to do the same. And yes, we had plenty give us the Heisman look. It is even more complicated in college logistically. We where willing to travel at their convenience.
right. so you agree with me, you have to win your way up?youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:21 pmno, prior to making playoffs is when we had issue. Post playoff and championship run, it was easy.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:23 pmyou had trouble scheduling good games after winning a state championship? i never did. you need a new scheduler.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:52 pmOh, I agree it’s the path. Have experienced it first hand coaching in HS. We didn’t get deeper into the playoffs until our conference changed and allowed more OOC games. Won a state championship a couple years later. Players realized we CAN compete with top ranked schools.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:09 pmyeah, not true at all. not saying it's easy. win your way up. it may be more difficult in a mid-major conference, but that's the path. at least they tell you this.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:04 pmYou can’t work your way up if teams don’t / won’t play you. Then those high RPI teams want to make sure they too are playing ‘potentially’ high ranked RPI teams. Much like life, it’s the haves and the have nots.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:43 pmeveryone wants to play a team that would be #8 rpi. delaware's rpi was nowhere near that. what you don't want to play is a team that might be in the 20s rpi that can beat you. you have to work your way up. it's why loyola can get a schedule every year. even after a +20 rpi last year.xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:10 pmI know from a solid source Delaware tried to get games with Penn Princeton PennSt and Duke dropped them, no one wants to play a senior led team who got to the final 8 last year. Scheduling is very difficult and changes year to year.
Just another reason why RPI should not be the barometer metric in lacrosse.
My point, is we even had problems scheduling OOC games with top ranked HS’s b/c most others were trying to do the same. And yes, we had plenty give us the Heisman look. It is even more complicated in college logistically. We where willing to travel at their convenience.
Yes
Double yesyouthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:04 pm Just another reason why RPI should not be the barometer metric in lacrosse.
rpi is not the problem.ICGrad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:51 pmYes
Double yesyouthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:04 pm Just another reason why RPI should not be the barometer metric in lacrosse.
Last year, Notre Dame deserved a bid beating Detroit, Michigan, Marquette, Duke , UNC and Syracuse. None of them made the NCAA but ND and Duke “deserved” a bid….ask Quint and Anish.ICGrad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:51 pmYes
Double yesyouthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:04 pm Just another reason why RPI should not be the barometer metric in lacrosse.
notre dame beat duke twice. and they were #7. what were tosu's and rutgers' best wins?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:58 pmLast year, Notre Dame deserved a bid beating Detroit, Michigan, Marquette, Duke , UNC and Syracuse. None of them made the NCAA but ND and Duke “deserved” a bid….ask Quint and Anish.ICGrad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:51 pmYes
Double yesyouthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:04 pm Just another reason why RPI should not be the barometer metric in lacrosse.
I was naming the teams. Beat Duke two times and Syracuse two times. They were better than those two teams, clearly. Should have played them 3 times each. Maybe they would have deserved it then.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:03 pmnotre dame beat duke twice. and they were #7. what were tosu's and rutgers' best wins?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:58 pmLast year, Notre Dame deserved a bid beating Detroit, Michigan, Marquette, Duke , UNC and Syracuse. None of them made the NCAA but ND and Duke “deserved” a bid….ask Quint and Anish.ICGrad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:51 pmYes
Double yesyouthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:04 pm Just another reason why RPI should not be the barometer metric in lacrosse.
duke beat more teams in the top 20 than anyone ever has and been left out. by 2, 5 to 3.
but the system is fine. can't wait for selection sunday. i'm ready.
Well then let's just call the season and crown ND now.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:03 pmnotre dame beat duke twice. and they were #7. what were tosu's and rutgers' best wins?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:58 pmLast year, Notre Dame deserved a bid beating Detroit, Michigan, Marquette, Duke , UNC and Syracuse. None of them made the NCAA but ND and Duke “deserved” a bid….ask Quint and Anish.ICGrad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:51 pmYes
Double yesyouthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:04 pm Just another reason why RPI should not be the barometer metric in lacrosse.
duke beat more teams in the top 20 than anyone ever has and been left out. by 2, 5 to 3.
but the system is fine. can't wait for selection sunday. i'm ready.
Funny how there has been more whining about ND and less about Duke ( I actually thought Duke would be in before Harvard but what I think doesn’t matter.)PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:12 pmWell then let's just call the season and crown ND now.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:03 pmnotre dame beat duke twice. and they were #7. what were tosu's and rutgers' best wins?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:58 pmLast year, Notre Dame deserved a bid beating Detroit, Michigan, Marquette, Duke , UNC and Syracuse. None of them made the NCAA but ND and Duke “deserved” a bid….ask Quint and Anish.ICGrad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:51 pmYes
Double yesyouthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:04 pm Just another reason why RPI should not be the barometer metric in lacrosse.
duke beat more teams in the top 20 than anyone ever has and been left out. by 2, 5 to 3.
but the system is fine. can't wait for selection sunday. i'm ready.
That’s not where we were disagreeing. Read my 1st paragraph in this quoted thread. It’s not as easy as just ‘winning up’ when scheduling these higher RPI teams is THE challenge and THEY have to also be accommodating AND be mindful of travel, midweek, and available dates.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:32 pmright. so you agree with me, you have to win your way up?youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:21 pmno, prior to making playoffs is when we had issue. Post playoff and championship run, it was easy.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:23 pmyou had trouble scheduling good games after winning a state championship? i never did. you need a new scheduler.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:52 pmOh, I agree it’s the path. Have experienced it first hand coaching in HS. We didn’t get deeper into the playoffs until our conference changed and allowed more OOC games. Won a state championship a couple years later. Players realized we CAN compete with top ranked schools.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:09 pmyeah, not true at all. not saying it's easy. win your way up. it may be more difficult in a mid-major conference, but that's the path. at least they tell you this.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:04 pmYou can’t work your way up if teams don’t / won’t play you. Then those high RPI teams want to make sure they too are playing ‘potentially’ high ranked RPI teams. Much like life, it’s the haves and the have nots.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:43 pmeveryone wants to play a team that would be #8 rpi. delaware's rpi was nowhere near that. what you don't want to play is a team that might be in the 20s rpi that can beat you. you have to work your way up. it's why loyola can get a schedule every year. even after a +20 rpi last year.xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:10 pmI know from a solid source Delaware tried to get games with Penn Princeton PennSt and Duke dropped them, no one wants to play a senior led team who got to the final 8 last year. Scheduling is very difficult and changes year to year.
Just another reason why RPI should not be the barometer metric in lacrosse.
My point, is we even had problems scheduling OOC games with top ranked HS’s b/c most others were trying to do the same. And yes, we had plenty give us the Heisman look. It is even more complicated in college logistically. We where willing to travel at their convenience.
lol. do they not count conference tourney results now? do those wins not count? funny, i watch the boards some, and i have never once seen you discount those. and no one in power seems to ever have done it, either. and yet here... you've done it maybe a dozen? times? weird.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:11 pmI was naming the teams. Beat Duke two times and Syracuse two times. They were better than those two teams, clearly. Should have played them 3 times each. Maybe they would have deserved it then.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:03 pmnotre dame beat duke twice. and they were #7. what were tosu's and rutgers' best wins?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:58 pmLast year, Notre Dame deserved a bid beating Detroit, Michigan, Marquette, Duke , UNC and Syracuse. None of them made the NCAA but ND and Duke “deserved” a bid….ask Quint and Anish.ICGrad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:51 pmYes
Double yesyouthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:04 pm Just another reason why RPI should not be the barometer metric in lacrosse.
duke beat more teams in the top 20 than anyone ever has and been left out. by 2, 5 to 3.
but the system is fine. can't wait for selection sunday. i'm ready.
maybe i wasn't clear. you have to win 1st. that's what i mean by winning up. you have to win first. once you do that, then you are "part of the club". it only makes sense that you'll struggle to get games when you're in the hoi polloi. the top teams can only schedule so many games, and that means the "strivers"... have to win 1st.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:16 pmThat’s not where we were disagreeing. Read my 1st paragraph in this quoted thread. It’s not as easy as just ‘winning up’ when scheduling these higher RPI teams is THE challenge and THEY have to also be accommodating AND be mindful of travel, midweek, and available dates.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:32 pmright. so you agree with me, you have to win your way up?youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:21 pmno, prior to making playoffs is when we had issue. Post playoff and championship run, it was easy.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:23 pmyou had trouble scheduling good games after winning a state championship? i never did. you need a new scheduler.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:52 pmOh, I agree it’s the path. Have experienced it first hand coaching in HS. We didn’t get deeper into the playoffs until our conference changed and allowed more OOC games. Won a state championship a couple years later. Players realized we CAN compete with top ranked schools.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:09 pmyeah, not true at all. not saying it's easy. win your way up. it may be more difficult in a mid-major conference, but that's the path. at least they tell you this.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:04 pmYou can’t work your way up if teams don’t / won’t play you. Then those high RPI teams want to make sure they too are playing ‘potentially’ high ranked RPI teams. Much like life, it’s the haves and the have nots.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:43 pmeveryone wants to play a team that would be #8 rpi. delaware's rpi was nowhere near that. what you don't want to play is a team that might be in the 20s rpi that can beat you. you have to work your way up. it's why loyola can get a schedule every year. even after a +20 rpi last year.xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:10 pmI know from a solid source Delaware tried to get games with Penn Princeton PennSt and Duke dropped them, no one wants to play a senior led team who got to the final 8 last year. Scheduling is very difficult and changes year to year.
Just another reason why RPI should not be the barometer metric in lacrosse.
My point, is we even had problems scheduling OOC games with top ranked HS’s b/c most others were trying to do the same. And yes, we had plenty give us the Heisman look. It is even more complicated in college logistically. We where willing to travel at their convenience.
And yes RPI is just stupid for such a small sample size. And No, I do not have a better metric.
i am sooo looking forward to the posts on teams left out. think you may be among them? who's your squad?PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:12 pmWell then let's just call the season and crown ND now.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:03 pmnotre dame beat duke twice. and they were #7. what were tosu's and rutgers' best wins?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:58 pmLast year, Notre Dame deserved a bid beating Detroit, Michigan, Marquette, Duke , UNC and Syracuse. None of them made the NCAA but ND and Duke “deserved” a bid….ask Quint and Anish.ICGrad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:51 pmYes
Double yesyouthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:04 pm Just another reason why RPI should not be the barometer metric in lacrosse.
duke beat more teams in the top 20 than anyone ever has and been left out. by 2, 5 to 3.
but the system is fine. can't wait for selection sunday. i'm ready.
This was my understanding as well, although I wasn’t sure of which teams.xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:10 pmI know from a solid source Delaware tried to get games with Penn Princeton PennSt and Duke dropped them, no one wants to play a senior led team who got to the final 8 last year. Scheduling is very difficult and changes year to year.
ok.. solution?ICGrad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:49 pmRPI is a huge problem. Year in, year out.
How did those ACC conferences games work out? ND had a chance for the AQ? My bubble stance is “don’t be on the bubble”.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:19 pmlol. do they not count conference tourney results now? do those wins not count? funny, i watch the boards some, and i have never once seen you discount those. and no one in power seems to ever have done it, either. and yet here... you've done it maybe a dozen? times? weird.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:11 pmI was naming the teams. Beat Duke two times and Syracuse two times. They were better than those two teams, clearly. Should have played them 3 times each. Maybe they would have deserved it then.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:03 pmnotre dame beat duke twice. and they were #7. what were tosu's and rutgers' best wins?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:58 pmLast year, Notre Dame deserved a bid beating Detroit, Michigan, Marquette, Duke , UNC and Syracuse. None of them made the NCAA but ND and Duke “deserved” a bid….ask Quint and Anish.ICGrad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:51 pmYes
Double yesyouthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:04 pm Just another reason why RPI should not be the barometer metric in lacrosse.
duke beat more teams in the top 20 than anyone ever has and been left out. by 2, 5 to 3.
but the system is fine. can't wait for selection sunday. i'm ready.
your "on the bubble" stance is shaky. seems selective.
You mean like every year when a bubble team is left out? You mean those posts? Read them from last year….no need to wait.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:27 pmi am sooo looking forward to the posts on teams left out. think you may be among them? who's your squad?PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:12 pmWell then let's just call the season and crown ND now.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:03 pmnotre dame beat duke twice. and they were #7. what were tosu's and rutgers' best wins?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:58 pmLast year, Notre Dame deserved a bid beating Detroit, Michigan, Marquette, Duke , UNC and Syracuse. None of them made the NCAA but ND and Duke “deserved” a bid….ask Quint and Anish.ICGrad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:51 pmYes
Double yesyouthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:04 pm Just another reason why RPI should not be the barometer metric in lacrosse.
duke beat more teams in the top 20 than anyone ever has and been left out. by 2, 5 to 3.
but the system is fine. can't wait for selection sunday. i'm ready.
what's the bubble?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 7:19 pmHow did those ACC conferences games work out? ND had a chance for the AQ? My bubble stance is “don’t be on the bubble”.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:19 pmlol. do they not count conference tourney results now? do those wins not count? funny, i watch the boards some, and i have never once seen you discount those. and no one in power seems to ever have done it, either. and yet here... you've done it maybe a dozen? times? weird.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:11 pmI was naming the teams. Beat Duke two times and Syracuse two times. They were better than those two teams, clearly. Should have played them 3 times each. Maybe they would have deserved it then.wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:03 pmnotre dame beat duke twice. and they were #7. what were tosu's and rutgers' best wins?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:58 pmLast year, Notre Dame deserved a bid beating Detroit, Michigan, Marquette, Duke , UNC and Syracuse. None of them made the NCAA but ND and Duke “deserved” a bid….ask Quint and Anish.ICGrad wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:51 pmYes
Double yesyouthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:04 pm Just another reason why RPI should not be the barometer metric in lacrosse.
duke beat more teams in the top 20 than anyone ever has and been left out. by 2, 5 to 3.
but the system is fine. can't wait for selection sunday. i'm ready.
your "on the bubble" stance is shaky. seems selective.