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FannOLax wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 8:35 pm There was the recent April Fool's news about Salisbury going D1 and joining the ACC. RIT might be a better candidate, as it is D1 in ice hockey. Both of these schools might look at Hobart going from perennial national champion to current D1 mid-tier status and think twice about switching divisions... and in any case, both are probably quite happy where they are.

FannOLax wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 8:35 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 9:32 am

FannOLax wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 9:15 am

Jlax92 wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 12:25 am I apologize if this has been posted somewhere else, feel free to move it, but why do they have a powerhouse womens team and no mens varsity team ?

This question could be asked about Stanford, Northwestern, James Madison, UConn, Florida, USC, Arizona State... the list is even longer for women's non-powerhouse at schools without men's lacrosse. Having women's lacrosse is not a reason why schools will add men's lacrosse.

Right it’s actually the opposite because adding both sides is the cleanest, easiest story to tell a BOT and donors.

Right, makes sense for Title IX. So Wake Forest and/or North Carolina State of the ACC could add both men' and women's. NC State once had men's lax and dropped it. I've mentioned Wake Forest before as a school that seems like it has a good private-school profile for lax.

There was the recent April Fool's news about Salisbury going D1 and joining the ACC. RIT might be a better candidate, as it is D1 in ice hockey. Both of these schools might look at Hobart going from perennial national champion to current D1 mid-tier status and think twice about switching divisions... and in any case, both are probably quite happy where they are.

Any chance of luring Army and/or Navy into the ACC, at least for lacrosse? Since the Terps decamped to the Big 10, the ACC could sure use a Maryland institution.

Can Opener wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 1:18 pm

Gorilla Fan wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 8:46 am Gene Defillipo who was the long time AD at BC (and a notorious lax opponent) used to use the excuse that BC was the only ACC member (at the time) that had men's and women's hockey, so adding men's lacrosse was an impossibility:

https://bceagles.com/news/2006/6/5/Live ... _DeFilippo

I agree though, with the recent success of the Women's program, a newish AD in place, and BU with a strong ramp-up to making the NCAA's, it would make sense for a revisit.

My understanding from someone close to the process is that DeFilippo told a group of highly motivated lacrosse alums that if they could raise $15M, then BC would reinstate men's lacrosse. When the group succeeded in their fundraising and went back to DeFilippo with the good news, he moved the goal posts and said it actually had to be $25M. Understandably, the group lost motivation at that point.

I heard the exact same story from a BC lax alum a few weeks ago. I don't understand why they would not want a men's lax team at no cost to the school?

ICGrad wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 9:06 pm

FannOLax wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 8:35 pm There was the recent April Fool's news about Salisbury going D1 and joining the ACC. RIT might be a better candidate, as it is D1 in ice hockey. Both of these schools might look at Hobart going from perennial national champion to current D1 mid-tier status and think twice about switching divisions... and in any case, both are probably quite happy where they are.

It's a moot point because I think the NCAA is done granting these kinds of exemptions.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 9:25 pm

ICGrad wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 9:06 pm

FannOLax wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 8:35 pm There was the recent April Fool's news about Salisbury going D1 and joining the ACC. RIT might be a better candidate, as it is D1 in ice hockey. Both of these schools might look at Hobart going from perennial national champion to current D1 mid-tier status and think twice about switching divisions... and in any case, both are probably quite happy where they are.

It's a moot point because I think the NCAA is done granting these kinds of exemptions.

Yeah I’ve heard folks inside Bart have been told by NCAA officials that if they had their way they’d get rid of all grandfathered institutions - including Hop, they don’t care about lacrosse. It’s about the same as FDIC officials I’ve spoken to privately saying they’d prefer that about 2,000-3,000 of the 4,800 banks in this country disappear.

ICGrad wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 9:42 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 9:25 pm

ICGrad wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 9:06 pm

FannOLax wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 8:35 pm There was the recent April Fool's news about Salisbury going D1 and joining the ACC. RIT might be a better candidate, as it is D1 in ice hockey. Both of these schools might look at Hobart going from perennial national champion to current D1 mid-tier status and think twice about switching divisions... and in any case, both are probably quite happy where they are.

It's a moot point because I think the NCAA is done granting these kinds of exemptions.

Yeah I’ve heard folks inside Bart have been told by NCAA officials that if they had their way they’d get rid of all grandfathered institutions - including Hop, they don’t care about lacrosse. It’s about the same as FDIC officials I’ve spoken to privately saying they’d prefer that about 2,000-3,000 of the 4,800 banks in this country disappear.

I think either you let everyone play by the same rules, or no one.

If Hopkins can offer scholarships for Lacrosse, then Hobart should be allowed to, also. Same with hockey: If Clarkson and St Lawrence can offer scholarships, Union should be able to, too.

If that's untenable, ship 'em all back to their respective divisions.

But at least they did away with whatever shenanigans Dayton was pulling with their football team in the '80s and '90s.

Gorilla Fan wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 8:46 am Gene Defillipo who was the long time AD at BC (and a notorious lax opponent)

Jlax92 wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 12:25 am The acc clearly needs another team and BC has the pedigree, money and that other thing to get good players and be competitive. The answer can’t just be Title Nine, that doesn’t answer anything.

JustOneTime wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 12:57 pm Virginia Tech would be a better ACC option. They have a strong club program and could transition well with the 12 scholarship additions. Much like Utah has done.

laxpert wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 8:11 am https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges ... fe/sports/

Might be some creative accounting on the revenue side in this analysis. BC is currently offering just about every female sport possible including Spirit Team. Important data point, the Women's lax team expenses are 1.7 million so you're going to need at least that for Men's. Adding Men's Lacrosse would require an influential Sugar Daddy (ie. Richmond, Utah, Penn State Hockey) along with a supportive AD.

wahoomurf wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 6:04 pm BC had a club lacrosse team a few years ago.The coach was a chap named Eugene Uchaz(?sp) from Garden City L.I.

A number of women from GC have played lacrosse for the BC women's team.Currently,the team's 2nd leading scorer is from Garden City.

I realize Ice Hockey is THE sport at BC but I'm surprised they don't have a men's lacrosse team as yet.

HowieT3 wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 10:36 pm Georgia Tech probably has the best MCLA team of the ACC schools. They've been to a number of Final 4s. They also have Title IX room, but the athletic department is continually broke.

In the last year VPI had a varsity, UVa beat them 27-0.

The ACC doesn't need a 6th team as much as it needs a 7th team. That way there are two newbies and they are playing for 6th place, not ending up in 6th place.

DeFilippo was quoted as saying "I'll start a {insert sport here} team when Florida State starts a hockey team." To call him a disaster is to give him the benefit of the doubt. He fired Al Skinner, killing basketball, and Jeff Jagodzinski, that set back football for a while and is only now starting to show signs of recovery.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 10:50 pm

HowieT3 wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 10:36 pm Georgia Tech probably has the best MCLA team of the ACC schools. They've been to a number of Final 4s. They also have Title IX room, but the athletic department is continually broke.

In the last year VPI had a varsity, UVa beat them 27-0.

The ACC doesn't need a 6th team as much as it needs a 7th team. That way there are two newbies and they are playing for 6th place, not ending up in 6th place.

DeFilippo was quoted as saying "I'll start a {insert sport here} team when Florida State starts a hockey team." To call him a disaster is to give him the benefit of the doubt. He fired Al Skinner, killing basketball, and Jeff Jagodzinski, that set back football for a while and is only now starting to show signs of recovery.

Was at a function where the prior AD was begging for money to buyout Paul Hewitt within three months of giving him a 6-7yr extension, the top donor alums all demurred and they ended up buying him out at 100 cents on the dollar and have been hiring coaches from Hobby Lobby since. FB team is a disaster. Had 50yd like seats and ADs box for two games they lost by an average of 7tds last year.

Tech ain’t adding s**t.